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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  eehnie on Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:47 am

    Hole wrote:Today.
    In the past russian coast guard ships got torpedo tubes, air defence systems and so on.

    It remains, but air defense systems are mostly of the Strela and Igla families, and only the Project 11351 has something above the current man-portable systems. In the refered to the torpedoes, all the ships of the Russian Coast Guard would be under this:

    http://russianships.info/eng/intelligence/project_502.htm
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_12412.htm
    http://russianships.info/eng/warfareboats/project_206.htm (retired)
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:39 am

    The new flotilla of Russia: The storm from the Caspian Sea is approaching the Sea of ​​Azov
    ..we can assume that Moscow has already decided to recreate in this ever more restless theater of military operations, if not the Azov flotilla, then at least a separate brigade of naval battle boats of the Russian Navy.
    Commentators have already suggested that the task of former Caspian people will be mainly protection and defense of the Crimean bridge. However, in my opinion, it is unlikely. It's just not necessary. Because the safety of the bridge from the sea direction has long been entrusted to Rosgvardia. And there they reacted with all responsibility to the new business. Therefore, the assistance from the Russian Navy is not particularly needed. ..
    two years ago [DNR] militiamen unsuccessfully tried to reach an agreement with Moscow on the sharp increase in their fleet. They requested three border guards "Mongoose" (project 12150) and one "Sable" (12200). But something went wrong at the talks and the flotilla of the defenders of Donbass still resembles the achievements of militant "self-made" ones.
    It is not excluded that Russia, for foreign policy reasons, decided not to pass patrol boats to the militia, but to recreate its own naval formation of the Navy on the Azov Sea. No one can forbid this to us. There is a war on these banks. What other explanations are needed?
    Artillery boats from the Caspian Sea are suitable for this purpose as well as possible. Those that relate to Project 1204 are intended for patrolling on rivers and lakes, the destruction of river vessels and enemy combat boats, the support of ground troops by artillery and machine-gun fire, the transport of personnel with weapons during ferries and operations in river basins, as well as for actions in shallow coastal areas of the seas.
    The main caliber is a 76 mm D-56TS gun, as well as a 7.62 mm SGMT machine gun and a BM-14-17 launcher for 34 unguided missiles. In addition, each of our boats is capable of taking up to 4 sea mines of IGMD aboard. This is more than enough to resist the Ukrainian armored vehicles "Gyurza-M" and "Centaur", if they really will soon be in the Sea of ​​Azov. Because the most terrible thing that the same "Gyurza-M" has is the 30-mm automatic gun 2A42 and 14.5-mm machine-gun KPVT.
    I suspect that only the unimportant technical condition did not allow the same path to be taken in the 327th Guards Division AK-223 and AK-209. But they will fix them - in the same way, most likely, they will also move. http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/201260/?cba=1
    Classic Tit-for Tat! If the Eurasian Canal existed already, those boats could get there sooner & for le$$ in fuel.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:16 pm

    Small missile ships "Grad Sviyazhsk" and "Great Ustyug" (project 21631 "Buyan-M") that are part of the Caspian Flotilla make a passage along the inland waterway, through the channel "Volga-Don" to the water of the Azov Sea. These ships are known for the fact that October 7, and then November 20, 2015 struck a cruise missile "Caliber" on targets in Syrian territory. Apparently, they are going to strengthen the Black Sea fleet, which includes only one ship of the above project. This is an Vyshniy Volochek, which joined the Black Sea Fleet's combat staff this year. ..
    Small rocket ships "Grad Sviyazhsk" and "Great Ustyug". Project 21631 ship Buyan-M has a displacement of 950 tons, is capable of developing a speed of 25 knots. It has a radar MR-231-2 "Liman", radar 5P-26M1 (MP-352M1) "Positive-M1", a complex of REB TK-25-2, BIUS "Sigma", a complex of cruise missiles "Caliber", 100 mm artillery installation A-190, air defense means - PU3M47-01 "Gibka" (for "Igla" missile system) and AK-630-2 "Duet". The number of crew is up to 36 people. http://nvo.ng.ru/wars/2018-06-07/100_181617flot.html?print=Y

    If Ukraine starts a new large offencive, she'll lose her entire Azov & possibly Black Sea coast. Putin has warned that her "statehood is in danger". Stay tuned...
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  eehnie on Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:50 pm


    I would not expect direct clashes between Russia and Ukraine in the Azov sea, is more likely to see clashes between Ukraine and Novorussia.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  hoom on Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:10 am

    Yantar has arrived back at Severomorsk.
    11mths away, 50,000nm travelled, 6000km^2 seabed mapped (mainly searching for the sub).
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  George1 Yesterday at 6:11 pm

    Cruise missile corvettes to join Russia’s Mediterranean taskforce

    The warships are expected to join the Russian Navy’s permanent blue-water taskforce by the end of the day and "start performing assigned missions"

    MOSCOW, June 18. /TASS/. Two corvettes armed with Kalibr-NK cruise missiles will join the Russian Navy’s permanent Mediterranean taskforce, the Black Sea Fleet’s press office reported on Monday.

    "The Caspian Flotilla’s small missile ships Grad Sviyazhsk and Veliky Ustyug are making a planned transition from Sevastopol to the Mediterranean Sea. Currently, the warships’ crews have completed their passage through the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles Straits," the Black Sea Fleet’s press office reported.

    The warships are expected to join the Russian Navy’s permanent blue-water taskforce by the end of the day and "start performing assigned missions," the press office added.

    As of now, Russia has built five Project 21631 Buyan-M-class corvettes. Three of them are operational in the Caspian Flotilla and two in the Baltic Fleet. The warships of this class feature a greater displacement and are outfitted with the most advanced long-range precision weapons - the Kalibr-NK missiles designed to hit naval and coastal targets.


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    http://tass.com/defense/1009945


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion Yesterday at 7:37 pm

    Here is why: https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/524819-korabli-sredizemnoe-more-kalib

    They didn't have enough boats in the BSF, so the Caspian Flotilla has to pick up the slack.
    RF Baltic Fleet naval group on maneuvers in the N. Atlantic
    http://tass.com/defense/1010025

    Possibly to cover their own subs going to Med. Sea, as before:
    https://www.warshipsifr.com/features/russians-conduct-asw-exercise-barents-sea/
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 10:54 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Here is why: https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/524819-korabli-sredizemnoe-more-kalib

    They didn't have enough boats in the BSF, so the Caspian Flotilla has to pick up the slack.
    RF Baltic Fleet naval group on maneuvers in the N. Atlantic
    http://tass.com/defense/1010025

    Possibly to cover their own subs going to Med. Sea, as before:
    https://www.warshipsifr.com/features/russians-conduct-asw-exercise-barents-sea/

    And people here still rant about supercarriers when RuN have shortage of combat ships of all sizes... Rolling Eyes

    Fortunately there are 5 more Buyans under construction ATM so this particular hole should be plugged at some point. And all those Karakurts coming up will not hurt.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Militarov Yesterday at 10:56 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    And people here still rant about supercarriers when RuN have shortage of combat ships of all sizes...  Rolling Eyes

    Fortunately there are 5 more Buyans under construction ATM so this particular hole should be plugged at some point. And all those Karakurts coming up will not hurt.

    What are you trying to say?

    That Russia doesnt have enough ships? Wtf...

    They have At least 70 ships built in 70s that can last for like....forever. Just slap new coat of paint...every 6 months.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  eehnie Yesterday at 11:47 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They didn't have enough boats in the BSF, so the Caspian Flotilla has to pick up the slack.

    This is false, in the fleet woriking in Syria always has been ships of all the fleets. There is a rotation for training purposes, like we see in the air and land forces moved to Syria. Only the amphibious ships have been working in higher degree.

    PapaDragon wrote:And people here still rant about supercarriers when RuN have shortage of combat ships of all sizes...  Rolling Eyes

    Obviously the knowledge of this other user is low enough, and the strength of his interests high enough, to accept the false argument and use it.

    Militarov wrote:What are you trying to say?

    That Russia doesnt have enough ships? Wtf...

    They have At least 70 ships built in 70s that can last for like....forever. Just slap new coat of paint...every 6 months.

    This is also false. Russia keeps only 4 combat ships built in the 1960s (2 Project 1171, 1 Project 61/01090, 1 Project 1204), and 23 combat ships built in the 1970s (3 of the captured to Ukraine).
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Militarov Today at 12:11 am

    eehnie wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:They didn't have enough boats in the BSF, so the Caspian Flotilla has to pick up the slack.

    This is false, in the fleet woriking in Syria always has been ships of all the fleets. There is a rotation for training purposes, like we see in the air and land forces moved to Syria. Only the amphibious ships have been working in higher degree.

    PapaDragon wrote:And people here still rant about supercarriers when RuN have shortage of combat ships of all sizes...  Rolling Eyes

    Obviously the knowledge of this other user is low enough, and the strength of his interests high enough, to accept the false argument and use it.

    Militarov wrote:What are you trying to say?

    That Russia doesnt have enough ships? Wtf...

    They have At least 70 ships built in 70s that can last for like....forever. Just slap new coat of paint...every 6 months.

    This is also false. Russia keeps only 4 combat ships built in the 1960s (2 Project 1171, 1 Project 61/01090, 1 Project 1204), and 23 combat ships built in the 1970s (3 of the captured to Ukraine).

    Sometimes i just wonder how is it possible that people like you dont simply forget to breathe and drop dead...
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  eehnie Today at 12:33 am

    Militarov wrote:Sometimes i just wonder how is it possible that people like you dont simply forget to breathe and drop dead...

    Your mind is poor enough for it.

    http://russianships.info/eng/today/

    For you learn about the age of the Russian combat ships. There is something else but maybe too much for you.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion Today at 1:15 am

    ..the fleet working in Syria always has been ships of all the fleets.
    True, but this is the 1st time they sent Caspian boats to the Med. Sea! They could swap crews with BSF for their training in the Med. Sea. It costs a lot of $ & time to move ships between fleets; if they had enough of them in the BSF, there would be no need to do it. The USN, being the largest surface fleet, still had to transfer 2 DDGs to the 7th Fleet after 2 recent collisions; the exception upholds the rule.
    Even if the RFN has all those 40+ y. old ships, they r not as good to be sent far outside home waters & off Syria. That's also why Putin offered to return those similar & neglected Ukrainian ships now in Crimea; but Kiev refused as they know it's too expensive to even scrap, much less upgrade them. Those "tin cans" r only good as source of parts & for target practice; although some may/could be modified for coast guard/police duty.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  eehnie Today at 2:34 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ..the fleet working in Syria always has been ships of all the fleets.
    True, but this is the 1st time they sent Caspian boats to the Med. Sea! They could swap crews with BSF for their training in the Med. Sea. It costs a lot of $ & time to move ships between fleets; if they had enough of them in the BSF, there would be no need to do it. The USN, being the largest surface fleet, still had to transfer 2 DDGs to the 7th Fleet after 2 recent collisions; the exception upholds the rule.
    Even if the RFN has all those 40+ y. old ships, they r not as good to be sent far outside home waters & off Syria. That's also why Putin offered to return those similar & neglected Ukrainian ships now in Crimea; but Kiev refused as they know it's too expensive to even scrap, much less upgrade them. Those "tin cans" r only good as source of parts & for target practice; although some may/could be modified for coast guard/police duty.

    Combat readiness, and experience in real operations are also something necessary for the Caspian fleet. In this case they train the deployment (exit and return from the Caspian sea) in adition to all the rest.

    Now this situation is used in a silly form to critizize the Black Sea Fleet and Russia, saying that there are not enough ships.

    But when the Russian aircraft carrier (Northern Fleet) was deployed to Syria we did not hear you and the rest of the people saying that Russia needs a second aircraft carrier that to allow the current to operate with more freedom. Would not need then the Black Sea Fleet an aircraft carrier?


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion Today at 3:17 am

    Combat readiness, and experience in real operations are also something necessary for the Caspian fleet. In this case the train the deployment (exit and return from the Caspian sea) in addition to all the rest.
    Well, they already shot CMs from the Caspian, & for training, could sail in out of it w/o going to the Med. Sea. The crews could go on BSF or Baltic Fl. boats being deployed in the Med. Sea to train in realistic blue water ops. So, I stand by my statement: w/o these 2, there r not enough boats in other fleets for that ongoing mission in the E. Med. Sea. I won't be surprised if those 2 boats r kept in the BSF afterwards, "for more flexibility".
    My criticism of BSF is friendly & w/o any malice. I have always said that if they absolutely going to have carriers, they need at least 3 in each oceanic fleet for 24/7 deployability. And I welcomed the idea to have TAKRs in the BSF- go read my posts! If u have sclerosis (I hope u don't!) & can't remember, go see a doctor, so u don't forget what I post & waste my time!
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  SeigSoloyvov Today at 8:19 am

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Sometimes i just wonder how is it possible that people like you dont simply forget to breathe and drop dead...

    Your mind is poor enough for it.

    http://russianships.info/eng/today/

    For you learn about the age of the Russian combat ships. There is something else but maybe too much for you.

    He was being sarcastic.......man you must be a blast at parties.

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