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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Isos on Sun May 20, 2018 9:34 am

    hoom wrote:Not sure where to put this dunno

    Its a nice recent pic of a dock lineup at Kronshtadt.

    But when you look closer there is so much more going on, fascinating pic.

    It's an exposition for the public.

    The pantsir looks so fake. Probably only a maket.

    What is the 2nd missile after the guns on the left ? With the long wings.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  hoom on Sun May 20, 2018 12:32 pm

    The pantsir looks so fake. Probably only a maket.
    Looks legit to me, got very shiny tyres but so do the other vehicles.
    I presume this is setup for a Victory Day thing (Naval parade is yet to come right?)

    What is the 2nd missile after the guns on the left ? With the long wings.
    I think this?

    M1 Wave aka SA-N-1 Goa ie Naval version of S-125.
    There seem to be a lot of variations in the fins on the booster, that pic seems to about match though.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  walle83 on Sun May 27, 2018 10:56 am

    hoom wrote:Not sure where to put this dunno

    Its a nice recent pic of a dock lineup at Kronshtadt.

    But when you look closer there is so much more going on, fascinating pic.

    Very nice picture that lets you compare the different classes.
    Im gessing this is the Baltic Fleet?
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  George1 on Mon May 28, 2018 4:41 am

    Russia threw armored project 1204 into the Sea of ​​Azov

    On May 23, 2018, three artillery boats arrived in Kerch from the Caspian fleet of the Russian Navy: two armored boats AK-201 and AK-248 of project 1204 (code "Shmel") and one boat AK-326 of the project 1400M (code "Grief" ).

    It is reported that the boats "made the transition from Astrakhan to Kerch for the protection of navigation in the Azov Sea and the Kerch Strait." Apparently, this transfer is intended to strengthen the protection of the Crimean bridge and increase military pressure on Ukraine in the Sea of ​​Azov due to the tension that has arisen after the seizure by Ukrainian border forces on March 25 of the Russian trawler "Nord" assigned to Kerch. It is unclear whether the transfer of boats on a temporary or permanent basis has been carried out. According to unofficial sources, additional transfer of boats from the Caspian flotilla to the Sea of ​​Azov is possible.





    Recall that in the Caspian flotilla are the last four armored vehicles of the project 1204 (AK-201, AK-209, AK-223, AK-248) in the Russian Navy, from the number built for the Navy and the Naval Forces of the Border Troops in 1967-1972. units.



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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  walle83 on Mon May 28, 2018 11:28 am

    George1 wrote:Russia threw armored project 1204 into the Sea of ​​Azov

    On May 23, 2018, three artillery boats arrived in Kerch from the Caspian fleet of the Russian Navy: two armored boats AK-201 and AK-248 of project 1204 (code "Shmel") and one boat AK-326 of the project 1400M (code "Grief" ).

       It is reported that the boats "made the transition from Astrakhan to Kerch for the protection of navigation in the Azov Sea and the Kerch Strait." Apparently, this transfer is intended to strengthen the protection of the Crimean bridge and increase military pressure on Ukraine in the Sea of ​​Azov due to the tension that has arisen after the seizure by Ukrainian border forces on March 25 of the Russian trawler "Nord" assigned to Kerch. It is unclear whether the transfer of boats on a temporary or permanent basis has been carried out. According to unofficial sources, additional transfer of boats from the Caspian flotilla to the Sea of ​​Azov is possible.





       Recall that in the Caspian flotilla are the last four armored vehicles of the project 1204 (AK-201, AK-209, AK-223, AK-248) in the Russian Navy, from the number built for the Navy and the Naval Forces of the Border Troops in 1967-1972. units.




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    What pratical use does these vessels have in modern warfare really? In a confrontation i would not want to be stuck on those boats. More or less sitting ducks for any kind of modern AT weapons/attack helicoter or ever RPG.

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    Post  kumbor on Mon May 28, 2018 12:44 pm

    walle83 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Russia threw armored project 1204 into the Sea of ​​Azov

    On May 23, 2018, three artillery boats arrived in Kerch from the Caspian fleet of the Russian Navy: two armored boats AK-201 and AK-248 of project 1204 (code "Shmel") and one boat AK-326 of the project 1400M (code "Grief" ).

       It is reported that the boats "made the transition from Astrakhan to Kerch for the protection of navigation in the Azov Sea and the Kerch Strait." Apparently, this transfer is intended to strengthen the protection of the Crimean bridge and increase military pressure on Ukraine in the Sea of ​​Azov due to the tension that has arisen after the seizure by Ukrainian border forces on March 25 of the Russian trawler "Nord" assigned to Kerch. It is unclear whether the transfer of boats on a temporary or permanent basis has been carried out. According to unofficial sources, additional transfer of boats from the Caspian flotilla to the Sea of ​​Azov is possible.





       Recall that in the Caspian flotilla are the last four armored vehicles of the project 1204 (AK-201, AK-209, AK-223, AK-248) in the Russian Navy, from the number built for the Navy and the Naval Forces of the Border Troops in 1967-1972. units.




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    What pratical use does these vessels have in modern warfare really? In a confrontation i would not want to be stuck on those boats. More or less sitting ducks for any kind of modern AT weapons/attack helicoter or ever RPG.

    Good artillery, based on D-10 100mm tank gun. Otherwise, weak armour, no real AA defence. They are not monitors, simply "protected patrol boats". Russia urgently needs something more powerful, armoured, with good AA defence.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon May 28, 2018 9:50 pm

    The Kerch (Crimean) bridge will be protected by the armored vessels of the Caspian flotilla
    By the way, only four naval armored vehicles of Project 1204 (code "Shmel") from the number of built for the Navy and Marine units of the Border Forces of the KGB of the USSR in 1967-1972 remained in the Russian Navy. These ships are designed for patrolling on rivers and lakes, destroying river vessels and enemy combat boats, assisting the ground forces with artillery and machine-gun fire, transporting personnel with weapons during ferries and operations in river basins, and also for operations in shallow coastal areas of the seas. A total of 118 ships were built.
    It is reported that the boats "made the transition from Astrakhan to Kerch for the protection of navigation in the Azov Sea and the Kerch Strait." Apparently, this transfer is intended to strengthen the protection of the Crimean bridge and increase military pressure on Ukraine after the incident with the vessel "Nord".
    It should be noted that this is the right decision. In the Caspian, armored troopers have absolutely nothing to do. With the countries of the Caspian region, Russia has good relations and there is no point in fearing conflicts in the near future. Another thing is the relationship with Ukraine, whose radical politicians threaten to blow up the Kerch bridge and arrest more Russian fishing vessels.
    As of today, the Ukrainian Navy is not able to resist the Black Sea Fleet in the event of a conflict in the Azov Sea. Ukraine has in this water area only a few boats capable of resisting the sabotage forces of a likely enemy. On the other hand, the US promises to transfer patrol boats "Island" to Ukraine (though not for free). While Kiev does not have the money to buy ships, but who knows, maybe Donald Trump is generous. Of course, these ships will not be able to withstand the boats and ships of the Black Sea Fleet and the Border Guard Service of the Russian Federal Security Service in open battle, but they can be used as a means of delivery of submarine saboteurs, etc.
    In this situation, the armored vessels of the Caspian flotilla, used not so much as carriers of artillery armament, but as a means of combating submarine sabotage forces and weapons, can be useful in the Azov Sea. And to protect, first of all, the Crimean bridge. http://www.ng.ru/columnist/2018-05-28/100_shmel.html?print=Y
    They'll be protected by Russian aircraft & AD, but how exactly can they "combat submarine sabotage forces and weapons"?
    https://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail.asp?ship_id=shmel-class-artillery-gunboat-soviet-union
    They r more likely to be used against Ukrainian threat vessels & assist the Border Guard & Marine Infantry should the need arise.
    Many had served in the BSF & Ukraine also had 4 units, 2 may still be active: http://russianships.info/eng/borderguard/project_1204.htm

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_1204#%D0%A7%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 28, 2018 11:14 pm

    walle83 wrote:............
    What pratical use does these vessels have in modern warfare really? In a confrontation i would not want to be stuck on those boats. More or less sitting ducks for any kind of modern AT weapons/attack helicoter or ever RPG.

    These are number-fillers, basically river boats.

    They are supposed to float around the bridge as extra pair of eyes and guns. They weren't doing anything useful in Caspian Seas anyway.

    I guess they were too lazy to repaint them to Coast Guard colors.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon May 28, 2018 11:50 pm

    No point repainting them as they will end up being replaced first.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue May 29, 2018 12:00 am

    The Azov is a very shallow sea. These good old armored river patrol boats are very valuable assets to be use against country 404.
    Think shore bombardment, assault team insertion and support etc. etc.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Militarov on Tue May 29, 2018 12:17 am

    Those are basically river monitors. Great fire support for landing operations in shallow waters. Wish Serbia could afford building few monitors for our mighty river navy. Romanians have few nice and fairly new monitors.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue May 29, 2018 12:28 am

    They could also be handy on the Dnieper, Dniester & Danube rivers in deploying special ops. teams or hot war with Ukraine & Moldova.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_rivers_of_Ukraine
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Militarov on Tue May 29, 2018 12:58 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:They could also be handy on the Dnieper, Dniester & Danube rivers in deploying special ops. teams or hot war with Ukraine & Moldova.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_rivers_of_Ukraine

    Why Moldova tho xD
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue May 29, 2018 1:09 am

    In case there's a threat to Russians in Transnistria enclave. If need be, they may also recommission other boats now in mothballs in the Baltic &/ RFE & send them to the BSF.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  eehnie on Tue May 29, 2018 1:18 am

    I find interesting the Project 1204 for Syria. It is a MRLS boat (140mm).

    Maybe old, but still fairly above of the rest of low armed auxiliary patrol boats of the Russian Navy:

    - Project 21980
    - Project 1400
    - Project 12150
    - Project 03160
    - Project 02510
    - Project 02800
    - Type IC16MII

    In fact the marked in fuchsia can be good candidates to go to Syria as help.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  hoom on Tue May 29, 2018 4:31 am

    Very nice picture that lets you compare the different classes.
    Im gessing this is the Baltic Fleet?
    Yes part of Baltic Fleet, Kronshtadt is the naval base of St Petersburg.
    But main base where 20380s & Kilos are normally is Kaliningrad.

    Good artillery, based on D-10 100mm tank gun.
    PT-76 turret & twin 25mm.

    What pratical use does these vessels have in modern warfare really?
    Dissuading 404 from trying to fuck with the Crimea River Bridge and/or further piracy of Russian shipping in Azov sea, as previously mentioned they 'arrested' a Crimea based trawler & crew for being Russian a few months back.
    I believe they've only previously had machinegun armed Border Guard/Coast Guard patrol boats operating in the area so these will provide a bit more firepower.
    404s are nuts enough they'll probably still try something & blame 'Russian Aggression' when they get spanked for it dunno
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 29, 2018 4:59 am


    That upgraded Svetlak-class cutter for Coast Guard can't come soon enough

    Burst from 30mm AK CIWS should clear out any "misunderstandings​"
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue May 29, 2018 6:49 am

    They may even establish the Azov Flotilla as a separate command from the BSF or under it, tasked to counter Ukrainian state piracy & infiltrations in the Azov Sea & Kerch Strait AOR only.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  eehnie on Tue May 29, 2018 12:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    That upgraded Svetlak-class cutter for Coast Guard can't come soon enough

    Burst from 30mm AK CIWS should clear out any "misunderstandings​"

    lol1 Russia has at this point a strong Coast Guard. Well updated. Do not worry.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Tue May 29, 2018 1:09 pm

    If you want something for shore bombardment then just upgrade a Sovromeny class with some Smerch launchers.

    And maybe 152mm guns.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 29, 2018 1:57 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    That upgraded Svetlak-class cutter for Coast Guard can't come soon enough

    Burst from 30mm AK CIWS should clear out any "misunderstandings​"

    Russia has at this point a strong Coast Guard. Well updated. Do not worry.

    That could clearly use some extra boats otherwise they wouldn't need to move these river gunboats around

    Especially since these four bathtubs will be needed to escort Russia's new Shtorm-class supercarriers across the oceans lol1






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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  eehnie on Tue May 29, 2018 3:18 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote: lol1  Russia has at this point a strong Coast Guard. Well updated. Do not worry.

    That could clearly use some extra boats otherwise they wouldn't need to move these river gunboats around

    Especially since these four bathtubs will be needed to escort Russia's new Shtorm-class supercarriers across the oceans  lol1







    lol1 lol1 lol1 I see you very nervous

    Is Israel surrendering Daraa or something?

    The Project 1204 has superior level of armament than Coast Guard, including the ship that you commented. In fact would be a missile (rocket) boat.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  Hole on Tue May 29, 2018 4:30 pm



    They should build a few more of those.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 29, 2018 6:38 pm

    Hole wrote:

    They should build a few more of those.

    Nah, overkill.

    These are shore bombardment vessels and it would be better to just build more Buyan-Ms if they are already spending that much cash. Coastline there is covered.

    What they need here is something with small draft to deal with vessels operated by random idiots.

    Coast Guard already has something in the pipeline that would be perfect, they just need to add AK-630M CIWS to it and they are golden:

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/103747/






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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #4

    Post  hoom on Wed May 30, 2018 9:41 am

    Probably related to these river boats going to Sea of Azov, Charly015 points out another Project 21980 is on the way to Syria http://charly015.blogspot.com/2018/05/otro-grachonok-hacia-siria.html
    There are supposed to be 6 of them active in BSF but a bunch have been stationed at Tartus last several years so that is probably why they're short in Sea of Azov.
    Wiki article on Proj 21980 also mentions another order for 4* in 2017 explicitly for defending Crimea Bridge.

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