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    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:40 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    It was sensible to start small and gradually rebuild capabilities, also because small ships were the ones that had to be replaced first, while some of the larger ships could still last a couple of decades with overhaul and partial modernisation.
    Of course it was not ideal, and maybe only allows a limited amount of long range sea missions for the short and medium future,  but that is the reality (and Russia accepted that they can live with it).
    Unlike the US, where the defence budget alone is not far off their total tax revenue, there is in effect an unlimited potential spend (see the $trillions they are talking about now) as they can just create more $ out of thin air, Russia can only spend what it gets in tax revenues plus a small amount of borrowing.

    That is the fundamental reason both countries act like they do. The US buys the USS Ford and dumps the old stuff whilst Russia buys AShM and upgrades where it can.

    That unlimited budget seems to be coming to an end. They are printing and spending more now than ever before but they are getting significantly less now than before too.

    It's glorious to see.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:36 am

    miketheterrible wrote:That unlimited budget seems to be coming to an end.  They are printing and spending more now than ever before but they are getting significantly less now than before too.

    It's glorious to see.

    The collapse is coming, and their is NOTHING that these fucking idiots can do to avoid it.  Biden's "win" is the best outcome for the rest of the planet.  They have already critically damaged the legitimacy of both their electoral and judicial systems in the eyes of at least 30-40% of their public with their blatant voter fraud in the key Eastern battleground states.  He will be an incompetent puppet where the strings will be plain to see (he'll be the US equivalent of Konstantin Chernenko) and the reputation of the US ruling establishment will plummett.  The outright war waged by the Liberals and their Big-Tech & media allies against their Conservative enemies will aggravate the already deep and growing divides between the two and hasten the collapse of confidence in the state.  4 years of Bidet the Kiddy-Sniffer and Queen Mega-Bitch will inflict more damage on Amerika than tRump could ever dream of Very Happy

    Yep, it will be fucking GLORIOUS to watch it all unfold!
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:45 am

    It is not just printing money though... it is easy loans they hand out to allies for weapons they don't need.... it is a great way of getting rid of old shit and at the same time getting allies to pay for it... especially allies in the region so if you need to operate there to murder this or that leader then the locals will be using your old stuff so it will be standardised.
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    Post  runaway Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:52 am

    However the Kuznetsov comes back 2021 or 2022, i am just amazed that they didnt have a backup to the arrest wire breakdown. Maybe you can enlighten me if the US carriers have a backup for the EM or arrest wires?
    The old carriers had nets, but i doubt they are still in use today...

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    Post  hoom Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:43 am

    Some progress pics of the drydock expansion
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    They've built a coffer dam quite a distance out so looks like the expansion is going to be pretty big in the seaward direction.
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    K itself appears to be getting a major radar/ecm upgrade
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    Post  hoom Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:39 am

    Oh there is an update on Google Earth, July 2020
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    The 3 squares top left are the start of the coffer dam.
    Looks like a line of buoys a bit inside that may indicate the outline of the new dock.
    So yeah about 400m internal even without expanding inland.

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    Post  George1 Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:54 pm

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    Post  hoom Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:31 am

    Inside the coffer dam
    Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2 - Page 29 09-9545369-wm-csi9z3va

    And looks like they're filling the sections
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    Video from the shipyard but I don't think its really much interesting

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    Post  LMFS Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:23 am

    Wow very interesting thanks! thumbsup
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    Post  LMFS Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:32 am

    From Red Samovar:
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    https://twitter.com/Strike_Flanker/status/1369793234642276357
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    Post  LMFS Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:42 pm

    Shoigu demanded to speed up the reconstruction of the dock, where the Admiral Kuznetsov should be repaired."

    The Defense Minister pointed out that it is necessary to increase the number of people and equipment to work at the facility

    MURMANSK, April 13. /TASS/. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu demanded to increase the pace and quality of work during the reconstruction and technical re-equipment of the dry dock of the 35th Ship Repair Plant located in Murmansk, the project is implemented by the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center (part of the USC Group of Companies).

    Shoigu noted that a clear schedule for building up forces and resources during the project implementation is needed as new areas of work are opened. In particular, he pointed out that it is necessary to increase the number of people and equipment to work at the facility.

    The Minister was informed that about 400 people and several dozen pieces of equipment are currently involved here. According to Shoigu, these forces are clearly not enough to ensure the proper pace of such large-scale work, which must be carried out around the clock. Moreover, as the minister noted, when there is a backlog from the schedule.

    At the same time, Shoigu did not accept the explanation of the USC management that the first contractor was unscrupulous, the work was carried out poorly and had to be replaced. "All these explanations are not accepted. We need a dock, we need to repair and modernize the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, " Shoigu said.

    The project implemented by the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center provides for the transformation of the existing two-chamber dry dock into a single-chamber one with a significant increase in the area and depth of dock structures. The reconstruction of the dock will significantly expand the capabilities of the 35th ship repair plant in terms of dock operations.

    After the reconstruction is completed, the Zvezdochki Murmansk branch dock will become the largest dock facility in the Russian Arctic zone and will be able to accept large-displacement vessels and ships, such as nuclear-powered icebreakers, heavy missile and aircraft-carrying cruisers, for dock operations.

    The reconstruction of the dry dock of the 35th Ship Repair Plant is a key factor in the timely completion of factory repairs and modernization of the heavy aircraft carrier Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:30 am

    As mentioned this dock will be useful for a wide range of very large ships so getting it up and running is important.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:34 am

    Shoigu needs to wield the club and the hob-nailed boot. Take no prisoners. If USC executives aren't waking in the middle of the night in a cold sweat from nightmares then he isn't being tough enough....

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    Post  Hole Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:44 am

    Send the construction troops there and do it yourself.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:00 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Shoigu needs to wield the club and the hob-nailed boot.  Take no prisoners.  If USC executives aren't waking in the middle of the night in a cold sweat from nightmares then he isn't being tough enough....

    Putin supported the idea of ​​nationalizing defense enterprises that do not fulfill state defense orders

    I expect the incompetent exec's would not only be fired, but likely blacklisted from having any managerial position in the Russian Federation, and no doubt some might run to the West to be paid shills and propagandists, but that's to be expected.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:26 am

    I would be more cautious... putting enormous amounts of pressure on people can create diamonds... but it can also create an explosion and a great big mess.

    People under pressure to get things done that simply can't be done in the available time no matter who is demanding it get done can accept their fate and lose their job because there are no practical measures that can make things go faster... say like creating a vaccine for a new virus... it takes as long as it takes... the only way to make it faster is to skip steps... you know... like on the F-35... we can fix it later after it has killed someone.

    Rather than threaten and scare... how about talking to them and asking if extra resources or money could make things go faster... if something needs to be redone or needs to become available before everything else can start then there might not actually be anything that can be done to make it go faster.

    Sometimes adding extra workers makes things harder and more complex to manage and coordinate and things need to be done in a specific order so you can't just hire more people and get them up to speed on what is happening and get them to do everything at the same time... you can't paint a deck till it is made...

    If this floating dock is so damn critical and will be so damn useful for all sorts of ships... why are they only making one?
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:48 am

    GarryB wrote:I would be more cautious... putting enormous amounts of pressure on people can create diamonds... but it can also create an explosion and a great big mess....

    Absence of pressure is the reason for the current mess

    As for explosion they already had plenty as a result of low pressure and shitty attitude
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    Post  LMFS Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:04 am

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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:26 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:I would be more cautious... putting enormous amounts of pressure on people can create diamonds... but it can also create an explosion and a great big mess....

    Absence of pressure is the reason for the current mess

    As for explosion they already had plenty as a result of low pressure and shitty attitude

    You have no way of knowing that. If you put to much pressure sometimes people cut corners and you end up with disasters.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:37 am

    mnztr wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:I would be more cautious... putting enormous amounts of pressure on people can create diamonds... but it can also create an explosion and a great big mess....

    Absence of pressure is the reason for the current mess

    As for explosion they already had plenty as a result of low pressure and shitty attitude

    You have no way of knowing that. If you put to much pressure sometimes people cut corners and you end up with disasters.

    Sometimes they would do

    Unlike now when they are constantly cutting corners because they (rightfully) think that they will definitely get away with it and have been getting away with it routinely

    As for disasters the whole thing has been one cascading disaster so there's nowhere to go but up

    Crank up the pressure until they squeal and then add some more pressure just in case




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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:51 pm

    Sometimes they would do

    Unlike now when they are constantly cutting corners because they (rightfully) think that they will definitely get away with it and have been getting away with it routinely

    As for disasters the whole thing has been one cascading disaster so there's nowhere to go but up

    Crank up the pressure until they squeal and then add some more pressure just in case

    No point trying to satisfy you, you think the absolute worst of everyone and assume everyone is on the take and being slack, you are already being pissy, so there is no point changing anything because nothing would satisfy you.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:41 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Sometimes they would do

    Unlike now when they are constantly cutting corners because they (rightfully) think that they will definitely get away with it and have been getting away with it routinely

    As for disasters the whole thing has been one cascading disaster so there's nowhere to go but up

    Crank up the pressure until they squeal and then add some more pressure just in case

    No point trying to satisfy you, you think the absolute worst of everyone and assume everyone is on the take and being slack, you are already being pissy, so there is no point changing anything because nothing would satisfy you.

    Satisfying me is not in their job description, other stuff is (which they aren't doing as required)

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:24 pm

    Maybe later, when they have more than 4 amphibious ships /helicopter carriers, they could base one in the black sea or in the east med, in addition to two each for the norther and Pacific fleet, but actual aircraft carriers in the black sea? What is the point when you have bases and airfields at less than 500 km from practically any location in the coasts?

    Even in the absurd hypothesis of a Russian landing in Anatolia during a war with Turkey, a carrier would be redundant there. What they would need is a lot of amphibious forces and escort and cover for those, plus massive air force support (again they have bases in Crimea, Krasnodar krai and Abkhazia).
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    Post  LMFS Thu May 27, 2021 12:40 am

    Tests of the aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" will begin later than the schedule

    The aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" undergoing overhaul with modernization will be released for testing later than the approved schedule. This was announced by the head of USC Alexei Rakhmanov.

    Tests of "Admiral Kuznetsov" will begin later, but this is not connected with the fire that took place on the ship or the sunken dock. The delay in going out for testing is due to technical reasons, namely, failure to deliver the repair equipment on time.

    As Rakhmanov said in an interview "Vedomosti ", the repairmen still have not received steam turbine units manufactured by Kirov-energomash.

    According to him, in general, the repair of the only Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser is proceeding within the framework of the schedule and budget. The contract for the repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov" ends in 2023. Does this mean that "Admiral Kuznetsov" will be transferred the fleet not in 2022, as previously planned, but in 2023, Rakhmanov did not report.

    Recall that work on the repair and modernization of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" began in 2017. It was originally planned that the cruiser would be delivered to the customer in 2020, but a series of accidents on the ship led to the fact that the timing of the return of the TAVKR began to shift to the right. The last date for returning the aircraft carrier to service was 2022.

    Repairs and modernization of the "Admiral Kuznetsov" are carried out at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk (a branch of "Zvezdochka").

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