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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:56 pm


    Fact that they were even considering spending 2 billion on ship that old is insane.

    That's the price of 2 brand new Yasen subs or God only knows how many new corvettes or frigates.

    They could get brand new surface fleet for that amount of cash.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:59 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:$400 million propulsion refurbishment.  

    If that figure is accurate, there's your corruption right there.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:14 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:If that figure is accurate, there's your corruption right there.

    A Greek talking about corruption... now THATS funny Very Happy
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:17 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:

    This is just bad management and corruption. Russian admirals don't want to admit that they need to either upgrade it meaningfully (for which they have to fight for $$$ and lobby hard) or dump it. They prefer to keep it sailing, in whatever horrific state, sporting proudly its BBQ smoker and cement AESA panels, and keep their jobs. The MIC in shipbuilding overcharges such medium-term contracts, making sure the ship will be back for repairs very soon. The Russian politicians get to keep their toy and attempt to show off the flag (although the recent Syrian expedition was a clvsterfvck). Everyone is a winner, apart from the Russian taxpayer and their Navy.

    Apparently to point that out is Russophobic. angel

    It was supposed to be a $2 billion modernisation that turned into a $400 million propulsion refurbishment.  

    They are doing significantly more than just a propulsion system upgrade... Pls don't throw red meat to the HATOstani jihadists.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:43 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:If that figure is accurate, there's your corruption right there.

    A Greek talking about corruption... now THATS funny Very Happy

    Greek shipping giants are much more careful with spending when procuring/maintaining tankers and container ships than the Russian Navy.
    Like, half a billion USD for some steam turbine boilers, really?

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:05 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Like, half a billion USD for some steam turbine boilers, really?
    ..except it isn't.  The K is not just in for propulsion repair, and you know it, but as a fundamentally dishonest little pissant, you choose to lie about it in a vain attempt to further your Russophobe screed.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  kvs on Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:17 am

    NATO fanboi retards bitching about Russian overhaul costs. They conveniently forget about the costs in the USA.

    http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=69153

    https://news.usni.org/2017/07/27/repair-bill-uss-fitzgerald-collision-will-cost-fix-uss-cole-terror-attack

    https://www.naval-technology.com/features/featureapril-stories-abraham-lincoln-overhaul-surveillance-jellyfish/

    A $2.6 billion contract to refuel and modernize the USS Abraham Lincoln. Nothing like installing new rocket
    launcher canisters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Abraham_Lincoln_(CVN-72)

    BTW, for the retard(s):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov

    So the two ships are almost the same age.

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    Post  marat on Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:51 am

    kvs wrote:

    ...fanboyhatersretardsbs...

    So the two ships are almost the same age.

    Just one is twice bigger nuclear powered carrier that actually works and on which planes could safely land. And she is party of the navy that have sufficient funds to cover maintenance of whole fleet and to build enough new ships to be worlds biggest navy.


    Another one is a bit different story don't you think?


    And is it possible that you are such a big assholes that you are not capable for any discussion without personal attacks and insulting's?

    In good old MP you would be banned in first day.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:41 am

    marat wrote:Just one is twice bigger nuclear powered carrier that actually works and on which planes could safely land. And she is party of the navy that have sufficient funds to cover maintenance of whole  fleet and to build enough new ships to be worlds biggest navy.


    Another one is a bit different story don't you think?


    And is it possible that you are such a big assholes that you are not capable for any discussion without personal attacks and insulting's?

    In good old MP you would be banned in first day.

    Ask the Jihadis in Syria if the K "works".  Sure, the Navy lost 2 planes for reasons related to equipment failures, but the K worked as she needed to, her propulsion didn't break down, and she didn't provide an embarrassing propaganda smorgasbord for the HATOstanis.

    Regarding "personal attacks" its a sign of the frustration that some feel when they (we) must constantly bat away the utter BS diatribes that emanates from certain posters in this forum who simply insist on shit-canning everything that doesn't meet with their approval. The Russian surface fleet is low on the pecking order, and many programs have been impacted by lack of funds, lack of engines (due to Ukropi orc antics) or the generally poor state of shipyards that have been rundown for decades due to a lack of orders.  Its not an ideal situation, and everyone knows it, but instead of cutting the Navy some slack, these posters puke the same BS time and time again.

    If they stop there incessant bitchy whining, there just may be less "personal attacks".  Appeasement is not a option, so its their choice.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  Hole on Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:56 am

    65% of the naval air force of Amiland is out of order. 50% of their ships and subs are in bitter need of maintenance. And that is according to the sailors and pilots, not some dumb politician.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:28 pm

    kvs wrote:A $2.6 billion contract to refuel and modernize the USS Abraham Lincoln.  Nothing like installing new rocket
    launcher canisters.

    Actually that figure makes sense in the US case, you got a bigger, more complex , nuclear-powered boat and the purchasing power of USD is much lower in there than 400 million USD in Russia. The Lincoln is also the first CVN in USN to be converted for F-35C.

    Also last time I checked the USS Abraham Lincoln does not sail around the globe with tug escort.



    Big_Gazza wrote:Ask the Jihadis in Syria if the K "works".

    The fish off the Syrian coast are thankful for the two coral reef donations by RuN, in less than 3 weeks, back in 2016.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:29 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Ask the Jihadis in Syria if the K "works".

    The will tell you it doesn't because they know that aircraft from "K" were promptly moved to Hmeim AB from where they operated for the majority of their deployment lest they end up like other two...
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:03 pm

    National Defense and aboard interest to your country are far too important to cut any "slack".

    Yes the russian shipbuilding industry has a world of problems, the problem here is everytime someone points that out you got white knights running to the Rescue.

    In the end, this is the military, doesn't matter how low on the pecking order you are, the military secures many aspects of a countries interests. You don't get a gold star for trying, in the military RESULTS are what matter, not excuses has to why you cannot do better. The navy has very important jobs, in this world, you need a powerful navy to secure your interests.

    In some cases they have done okay but in MOST of them the shipbuilding industry has performed like shit not able to build vessels at a decent pace, takes them forever to overhaul things, utterly corrupt management staff the list here goes on and on and on and lets not getting started with the number of delays they have.

    However to point this out and call them out when they are doing bad isn't okay to some, The fact is the Russian shipbuilding industry has shown times and time and time and time again how utterly crap it is has a whole, a few cases here and there doesn't prove anything.

    I am frankly sick of hearing about the engines has an Excuse back when Russia was getting rich off high oil prices they had MORE than enough extra funds to start domestic engines production, yet they ignored this and only did it when it was clear they couldn't buy shitty Ukrainian engines anymore.

    So you expect me to cut them "slack" when that is something they had have done long before it becomes a problem? no it's stupid decisions like that have constantly led their shipbuilding industry into the ground and ruin. Why they serve as a "How not to run a shipyard" example.

    Oh I am sorry Pella can actually do their goddam job, funny how the privately owned yard outperforms all of the state-owned ones, Hell imo give pella control over that large shipyard they building and let them run it how they wish because they can clearly do better then anyone else in Russia.



    The "K" also performed like shit in syria, and like someone mentioned most of its aircraft where rebased and conduct operations from the base, they had afew sorties from the carrier nothing that really stands out.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  marat on Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:13 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    marat wrote:Just one is twice bigger nuclear powered carrier that actually works and on which planes could safely land. And she is party of the navy that have sufficient funds to cover maintenance of whole  fleet and to build enough new ships to be worlds biggest navy.


    Another one is a bit different story don't you think?


    And is it possible that you are such a big assholes that you are not capable for any discussion without personal attacks and insulting's?

    In good old MP you would be banned in first day.

    Ask the Jihadis in Syria if the K "works".  Sure, the Navy lost 2 planes for reasons related to equipment failures, but the K worked as she needed to, her propulsion didn't break down, and she didn't provide an embarrassing propaganda smorgasbord for the HATOstanis.

    Regarding "personal attacks" its a sign of the frustration that some feel when they (we) must constantly bat away the utter BS diatribes that emanates from certain posters in this forum who simply insist on shit-canning everything that doesn't meet with their approval. The Russian surface fleet is low on the pecking order, and many programs have been impacted by lack of funds, lack of engines (due to Ukropi orc antics) or the generally poor state of shipyards that have been rundown for decades due to a lack of orders.  Its not an ideal situation, and everyone knows it, but instead of cutting the Navy some slack, these posters puke the same BS time and time again.

    If they stop there incessant bitchy whining, there just may be less "personal attacks".  Appeasement is not a option, so its their choice.

    He worked so well that his planes were sent to land base.

    His task wasnt to drive around but to be safe base for aircraft operations and that task he failed totaly and his planes were sent to land base.

    K wasnt safe for basic operations, he wasnt safe for LANDING ffs. What more embarrassing to one aircraft carrier could be???

    Aircrafts were fine i didnt disputed that.

    Comon guy lets admit the fact.




    Yes state of Russian fleet is frustrating. I would like to see that they are finally capable to finish ship in 10 years if not in 5 as all others and that doesnt make we HATO funboy hater etc etc.

    Probably the main reason for state of fleet isnt any of those that you have mentioned. (eg. problems were emerged even before Ukrainian crisis) Problem is more fundamental, lack of strategic interest on navy and that is most frustrating to me.

    They have money they are producing a shitload of SAM and SSM but there are no funds for navy…..

    And the navy  is ruler of the world not SAM.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:12 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:

    This is just bad management and corruption. Russian admirals don't want to admit that they need to either upgrade it meaningfully (for which they have to fight for $$$ and lobby hard) or dump it. They prefer to keep it sailing, in whatever horrific state, sporting proudly its BBQ smoker and cement AESA panels, and keep their jobs. The MIC in shipbuilding overcharges such medium-term contracts, making sure the ship will be back for repairs very soon. The Russian politicians get to keep their toy and attempt to show off the flag (although the recent Syrian expedition was a clvsterfvck). Everyone is a winner, apart from the Russian taxpayer and their Navy.

    Apparently to point that out is Russophobic. angel

    It was supposed to be a $2 billion modernisation that turned into a $400 million propulsion refurbishment.  

    Wait, they are still going to spend 2 billion in a whole right? 400mil is just propulsion? I mean it will get modernised beside propulsion too?
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:26 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:

    This is just bad management and corruption. Russian admirals don't want to admit that they need to either upgrade it meaningfully (for which they have to fight for $$$ and lobby hard) or dump it. They prefer to keep it sailing, in whatever horrific state, sporting proudly its BBQ smoker and cement AESA panels, and keep their jobs. The MIC in shipbuilding overcharges such medium-term contracts, making sure the ship will be back for repairs very soon. The Russian politicians get to keep their toy and attempt to show off the flag (although the recent Syrian expedition was a clvsterfvck). Everyone is a winner, apart from the Russian taxpayer and their Navy.

    Apparently to point that out is Russophobic. angel

    It was supposed to be a $2 billion modernisation that turned into a $400 million propulsion refurbishment.  

    Wait, they are still going to spend 2 billion in a whole right? 400mil is just propulsion? I mean it will get modernised beside propulsion too?

    400 for the propulsion as the project was scaled back. Still they're getting robbed.
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:19 am

    Like, half a billion USD for some steam turbine boilers, really?

    8 gas fired boilers and 4 Steam turbines... for 400 million.

    That sounds quite reasonable.

    They don't have any other carriers, so when you build components they are generally one off specially designed custom made items... do you think they should be cheap?

    Of course the other components they are adding and upgrading are also included in that 400 mil, so they are actually getting it cheap really.

    Just one is twice bigger nuclear powered carrier that actually works and on which planes could safely land. And she is party of the navy that have sufficient funds to cover maintenance of whole fleet and to build enough new ships to be worlds biggest navy.

    Of course... there are no accidents on US carriers, and their performance against fierce navies like Afghanistan and Iraq has been exceptional.

    New US carriers are enormously expensive, and while very capable on paper, cannot operate anywhere near Russia any more...

    And is it possible that you are such a big assholes that you are not capable for any discussion without personal attacks and insulting's?

    It can be frustrating having the same disagreement over and over... Russia does not know what they are doing... the current standoff with the US seems to suggest they are now worth paying attention to... so perhaps they are not the third world country with nukes some like to suggest they are...

    In good old MP you would be banned in first day.

    In good old MP net you could get banned for saying anything negative about the US president... if it was Bush.

    If you want that I can oblige... anyone who says anything against Russia or Putin get an instant permaban... do you really want that?

    65% of the naval air force of Amiland is out of order. 50% of their ships and subs are in bitter need of maintenance. And that is according to the sailors and pilots, not some dumb politician.

    But they look so shiny and perfect in all the movies... are you suggesting we are being misled by Hollywood and the US media? Twisted Evil

    Also last time I checked the USS Abraham Lincoln does not sail around the globe with tug escort.

    Nahh, just murders people in Iraq and Afghanistan and any chance it can get in Syria too.

    Actually that figure makes sense in the US case, you got a bigger, more complex , nuclear-powered boat and the purchasing power of USD is much lower in there than 400 million USD in Russia. The Lincoln is also the first CVN in USN to be converted for F-35C.

    Ahhh come on... how about my favourite chessnut.... they can afford it...

    It is a much bigger, heavier and more expensive... target.

    400 million would barely cover 3 x F-35s... the naval ones are 125 million each... and if Turkey is not allowed their 100 odd because they are buying S-400 then you might find the price jumps up quite a bit more.

    The fish off the Syrian coast are thankful for the two coral reef donations by RuN, in less than 3 weeks, back in 2016.

    And the Syrian people appreciated their efforts to push back the people that cut the heads off live 14 year old boys and burn women to death in cages when they refuse to marry the terrorists. The fish don't care about that... just like NATO lovers gloat over Russians killed helping the Syrians.

    Of course I am sure when the mighty armed forces of Macedonia join NATO, that the boost in performance will let them create another terrorist force to perhaps destroy Egypt, or have another go at Syria, or even Turkey if it keeps buying Russian stuff... I am sure you will hold your head high at the death and destruction your allies will create.

    The will tell you it doesn't because they know that aircraft from "K" were promptly moved to Hmeim AB from where they operated for the majority of their deployment lest they end up like other two...

    Of course Mr rigid... if the cables for landing aircraft fail twice then keep going until all aircraft are in the water... you really know how to save money don't you.

    I wouldn't let you run a lemonade stand.

    Yes the russian shipbuilding industry has a world of problems, the problem here is everytime someone points that out you got white knights running to the Rescue.

    Of course... if we all just bitched and moaned like little girls then everything would magically be fixed... sanctions would disappear, and they would realise that you gits are right... they need to match Chinese production of ships... after all their situation is identical...

    The navy has very important jobs, in this world, you need a powerful navy to secure your interests.

    All very true, but what world interests do they currently have that requires an enormous fleet?

    In 10-20 years time a larger fleet would be useful to expand beyond the limitations geography has imposed on her, but for the moment if she had an enormous fleet it would not do very much and would suck up funds that could be better used in other areas.


    In some cases they have done okay but in MOST of them the shipbuilding industry has performed like shit not able to build vessels at a decent pace, takes them forever to overhaul things, utterly corrupt management staff the list here goes on and on and on and lets not getting started with the number of delays they have.

    You don't think they know what pace they need things to be done? Do you think spending more to get things done faster makes sense when they still have a reserve of cold war boats they are not even using.

    Perhaps instead of thinking in terms of the Chinese or US navies you look at their reserve fleet... if it is sitting doing nothing perhaps there is nothing to do at the moment so spending time getting upgrades is time well spent. Longer upgrade times are bad for shipyards if they have other things they could be doing, but for the navy it could be saving them some money.

    However to point this out and call them out when they are doing bad isn't okay to some,

    Because we don't know. We are not present at their meetings and we have no idea what their plans are... you are just guessing based on what?

    The fact is the Russian shipbuilding industry has shown times and time and time and time again how utterly crap it is has a whole, a few cases here and there doesn't prove anything.

    Amusing... British ships are too noisy and need engine replacements... they have ships that can't even operate in the Med because the water is too warm to cool their engines and they overheat... and they spend three times more on "defence" than Russia does... where is all the bitching?

    German ships... do I need to continue?

    I am frankly sick of hearing about the engines has an Excuse back when Russia was getting rich off high oil prices they had MORE than enough extra funds to start domestic engines production, yet they ignored this and only did it when it was clear they couldn't buy shitty Ukrainian engines anymore.

    And let me repeat... keeping Ukrainians working was something that prevented them turning west for so long... What they didn't have was a crystal ball that told them when the Ukraine was going to be the victim of regime change and turn on Russia... the ultimate election meddling.... of course Russia made the best of a bad situation and was able to secure the Crimea... I would say they did very well on that deal... fuck having 6 Frigates in service with Ukrainian engines if they can get the Crimea instead.

    Of course now they don't need to buy Ukrainian products, but replacing them is not just a case of transferring funds... ask the Americans how long it takes to put a new rocket engine into production... they said something like 10 years... and they have the full plans and the engines themselves in their possession... are they stupid too?

    Why are they not just copying them and producing them themselves instead of buying them from the Russians?

    no it's stupid decisions like that have constantly led their shipbuilding industry into the ground and ruin. Why they serve as a "How not to run a shipyard" example.

    Of course... they are in ruin... they are producing nothing... except that that is an exaggeration isn't it?

    There are a lot of ships being upgraded and a lot of other ships getting built.


    The "K" also performed like shit in syria, and like someone mentioned most of its aircraft where rebased and conduct operations from the base, they had afew sorties from the carrier nothing that really stands out.

    Of course a military professional knows all about carrier operations... having two aircraft ditch in the sea is obviously everything they could do so when that didn't happen properly it was a total waste of time...

    The fact that it carried upgraded aircraft with it to test and while the aircraft were moved to land bases all the planning was done on the carrier using carrier based resources, so they found and destroyed their own targets... it was a total waste of time and money.

    Of course the fact that they tested it and it worked means that when the cable problem was fixed they could pretty much effectively attack land targets anywhere they can sail their carrier means nothing and was a total waste of time and money.

    His task wasnt to drive around but to be safe base for aircraft operations and that task he failed totaly and his planes were sent to land base.

    Of course... a carrier is just a boat planes land and take off from, it is Putin that discovers targets and plans missions... in fact he secretly flies the missions too.

    There is nothing safe in combat, a carrier is not about safety... it is about strategic mobility.


    K wasnt safe for basic operations, he wasnt safe for LANDING ffs. What more embarrassing to one aircraft carrier could be???

    Aircrafts were fine i didnt disputed that.

    Comon guy lets admit the fact.

    I will admit you are clearly pretty ignorant of what we are talking about.

    The arrester cables that stop an aircraft are not just bits of metal cable strung across the deck that are tied down at each end... otherwise they would snap immediately... you can't make cables strong enough to stop an aircraft like that.

    The cables are attached to geared mechanisms that have some give but get tighter and tighter to slow up the aircraft.

    When the K went to Syria there was obviously a problem with the gearing so there was no give in the cable and they just snapped... like any cable would that was not attached to a gearing system.

    It wasn't a case of faulty cables... there are four there when you land so if one breaks you can try three more before they need to replace them, and they carry replacement cables because cables break... they don't last forever even with the gearing working properly.

    With the gearing not working then there is no point in wasting cables as they will simply just break.

    The gearing mechanism of course can be fixed.

    If that is the only problem with the ship then that is nothing.

    Probably the main reason for state of fleet isnt any of those that you have mentioned. (eg. problems were emerged even before Ukrainian crisis) Problem is more fundamental, lack of strategic interest on navy and that is most frustrating to me.

    The Russian navy just isn't important at the moment.

    They have money they are producing a shitload of SAM and SSM but there are no funds for navy…..

    And the navy is ruler of the world not SAM.

    Any naval threat to Russia can be dealt with using Mach 10 Kinzhal missiles... they don't need a big navy to defend themselves.

    They need a big navy to expand their influence... which wont be needed for a while yet.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  hoom on Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:20 am

    I make no judgement on the condition of that boiler.
    Its a boiler -> has been subject to significant burning to boil water over decades, it probably shouldn't be in spic & span condition.
    But it kinda looks externally charred in a way that maybe not expected from the design.

    It has 8 of these boilers & from recollection 4 were replaced in the previous refit, presumably only the older 4 would be being replaced in the current upgrade.

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    Post  hoom on Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:58 am

    Can anyone explain how these things actually work? dunno

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    Post  Singular_Transform on Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:34 pm

    hoom wrote:Can anyone explain how these things actually work?  dunno


    Upper circle is the steam tank, lower feedwater, pipes between them is the boiler pipes ( the water boiling them due to the high temperature combustion products)

    This is a partial cut away, the holes probably the air introduction .

    The typical failure mode of this kind of equipment is the water tubes, the either leaking, or the exhaust product condensate onto them.

    Hard to replace/repair them.

    I think the main issue was with those, if there is any material defect with the Ukrianan pipes , then it will leak like hell.

    Considering the design of these stuff it is next to impossible to get there and weld/replace them.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_drum

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    Post  hoom on Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:36 am

    Thanks, that helps a lot Smile
    Where are the burners though, in the middle?

    Oh jebus if those were made with the same quality as those 404 mortars silent
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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:31 am

    hoom wrote:Thanks, that helps a lot Smile
    Where are the burners though, in the middle?

    Oh jebus if those were made with the same quality as those 404 mortars silent

    The burners look to be on the upper RHS of the vessel, they look like a series of inverted triangles.  The assembly above them looks like turbocharger driving the intakes for the combustion air & fuel supply.

    Items #10 are the "steam mechanical nozzles" and the pic shows indication of stains around the flanges which I'd interpret as being due to leakage from oil contamination of the steam
    (or condensate) lines.  

    FWIW it seems that in the refit all boilers and pumps will be replaced, and the steam turbines will be removed and refurbished. Judging by the photo, its about time...  Ukropi workmanship at its finest...


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:37 am

    Russia’s sole aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov to enter 7-month trials after upgrade

    Some clarifications in the article regarding the planned scope of Kuznetsov refit.  Its clearly a lot more than "repairing the propulsion system" as some of our more flaky fellow-posters have spuriously claimed...  Razz

    No specific mention of Poliment-Redut, however it seems that the Kashtans will be replaced by navalised Pantsyr.  


    MOSCOW, July 25. /TASS/. Russia’s sole aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov will undergo 7-month trials after its repairs and upgrade, Zvyozdochka Shipyard CEO Sergei Marichev told TASS on Wednesday.

    "In mid-April this year, a contract was signed for the repairs and some modernization works that will last two years and a half, after which seven-month trials are scheduled," the chief executive said.

    ‘In the first place, large-scale repairs of the warship’s main propulsion unit are planned along with the replacement of boilers, the repair and recovery of main geared-turbine assemblies, powerplant compartments, the equipment of turbine and diesel-driven generator units and refrigerating mechanisms. This is a very large and technologically complex volume of work," he stressed.

    Zvyozdochka Shipyard specialists started repairs and upgrade works on the aircraft carrier even before the contract was signed, the chief executive said.

    The Shipyard has already drawn up a schedule of all the works and started working out technological documentation. The operations of dismantling, unloading and dispatching equipment to defense machine-building enterprises are proceeding ahead of schedule, Marichev noted.

    "Repair works under the contract have been launched in full since May within the framework of the documentation received," the chief executive said.

    The basic volume of works will be carried out at the dockside of Zvyozdochka’s branch - the 35th Ship Repair Enterprise in Murmansk in north-west Russia, he added.

    "At a certain moment, the ship will be delivered to the dock for dismantling the line of shafts and screws, carry out their flaw detection and repairs, repair the sea valves and make coating of the hull’s underwater part. This operation is planned in Roslyakovo, in the PD-50 floating dock," Marichev said.

    Aircraft carrier’s repairs
    The shipbuilders signed a contract with Russia’s Defense Ministry in April this year on the repair of the Project 11435 heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov.

    As Russian Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief Viktor Bursuk said earlier, repairs on Russia’s sole aircraft carrier started in May this year and the Navy expects to get the upgraded warship back in 2021.

    During its upgrade, the aircraft carrier is set to get new air defense systems, in particular, the Pantsyr-M surface-to-air missile complex. Also, the aircraft carrier will be furnished with new powerplant, new boilers, pumps and flight control systems.

    The Admiral Kuznetsov
    The Project 11435 heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov is designed to gain superiority at sea and in the air in the areas of the fleet’s operation to ensure the fleet’s combat sustainability, deliver air strikes against enemy targets and support troops’ landing operations.

    The warship entered service in 1990. It displaces 58,000 tonnes and has a length of 304.5 meters. The aircraft carrier has a full speed capacity of 200,000 horsepower and develops a speed of up to 30 knots. Apart from the air task force of 24-26 fighter jets and 12 helicopters, the Admiral Kuznetsov is armed with anti-ship and air defense missile systems.

    The warship is equipped with a ski-jump and two aircraft elevators. It has a crew of 1,300 while the air group’s personnel numbers 660 men.


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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:17 pm

    For all the forum trolls who think that their pathetic whinging about Russian delays are of epic significance:

    https://www.checkpointasia.net/americas-new-ford-class-is-a-study-in-how-not-to-build-a-carrier/

    The Navy had expected to have the ship delivered in 2014 at a cost of $10.5 billion . But the inevitable problems resulting from the concurrency the Navy built into developing Ford’s new and risky technologies, more than a dozen in all , caused the schedule to slip by more than three years and the cost to increase to $12.9 billion—nearly 25 percent over budget.

    The problems with the ship’s systems, including the catapult, are well-known. But Trump still caught virtually every Pentagon watcher off guard when, in the middle of a wide-ranging Time interview , he said he had directed the Navy to abandon the new “digital” aircraft catapult on future Ford-class carriers. Instead he wants the Navy to revert to the proven steam catapults, which have been in use for decades.

    The president is correct when he says there are significant problems with the Ford’s “digital” catapult, but abandoning it in future ships will pose significant problems.

    The Ford’s “digital” catapult is, in fact, the Electromagnetic Launch System, or EMALS. It was designed to provide the boost necessary for aircraft to reach take-off speed within the short deck length of an aircraft carrier. In the long run, it is intended to be lighter, more reliable and less expensive than the steam system .

    Unfortunately, the EMALS is immature technology, and its development is proceeding concurrently with the ship’s design and development. So far, the program has not lived up to the promises made.

    Reality meets NATO propaganda fantasy wunderwaffen.

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    Re: Aircraft Carrier Admiral Kuznetsov: News #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:51 pm

    If the US want's an EMALS they should have built an onshore version and installed the motive components below ground to a converted an air-strip, then test the beejesus outta it before committing to a carrier.. Fast-tracking it in parallel with a CVN build was always guaranteed to be a cost & schedule group wipe.

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