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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:21 am

    Isos wrote:
    true, but fighters to protect locally you or lowing Syrian wars still have value

    Of course. Two different things. Cruise missiles can't replace fighters but if you have enough land based cruise missiles you can use your fighters for aerial supremacy only and tactical bombing.

    that\s more less corresponding to TAKR roles russia russia russia
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:36 am

    I would agree that a few extra planes would be more valuable in this case than 12 Granit missiles, but as far as I am aware there is no chance of removing the missiles and tubes and using that space to increase the number of aircraft the ship can carry because it is isolated from the hangar deck by some rather significant fire walls.

    As such I would think that the ability to carry perhaps 3-4 UKSK launchers in that space would make sense... particularly with anti sub missiles... the carrier wont be leading any charge anywhere... it is there to support the other large ships.

    The purpose of the carrier group could be a landing force component centred around a helicopter carrier, or it might be an arsenal ship or a couple of cruisers or whatever...

    I would also point out that cruise missiles need targets... it is not the case that the ship with the most cruise missiles automatically wins... one Zircon missile could easily sink such a ship... imagine the effect of a hypersonic slug of metal and HE punching through a forest of HE and solid rocket fuel propellent that is a large VLS system on a ship... it would be a fire ball.

    Russia could have had precision cruise missiles 25 years ago... but really didn't simply because they needed a serious C4IR upgrade before they could reliably find targets and had accurate enough digital terrain maps of real places to use for plotting flight paths and to hit targets...

    Experience in Syria shows you need quite a few cruise missiles to take down a well equipped enemy... of course for a Russian attack they would have used land attack Zircons to defeat Patriot like defences and hit command and control hubs and HQs so that when they launched 103 missiles at a few airfields and old chemical labs they would at least all hit their targets....

    Once any components of an IADS are taken down first then even subsonic missiles can be effective too.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:02 am

    GarryB wrote:I would agree that a few extra planes would be more valuable in this case than 12 Granit missiles, but as far as I am aware there is no chance of removing the missiles and tubes and using that space to increase the number of aircraft the ship can carry because it is isolated from the hangar deck by some rather significant fire walls.

    originally Kuz should carry 50 aircraft air wing. With 12 Granites.


    GB wrote:The purpose of the carrier group could be a landing force component centred around a helicopter carrier, or it might be an arsenal ship or a couple of cruisers or whatever...

    Lider? In my IMHO Russians due to budget constrains can go this universal ship (Rakhmnov was talking about) which can be CVN or LHD depending on mission profile.



    GB wrote:{}
    Russia could have had precision cruise missiles 25 years ago... but really didn't simply because they needed a serious C4IR upgrade before they could reliably find targets and had accurate enough digital terrain maps of real places to use for plotting flight paths and to hit targets...

    Experience in Syria shows you need quite a few cruise missiles to take down a well equipped enemy... of course for a Russian attack they would have used land attack Zircons to defeat Patriot like defences and hit command and control hubs and HQs so that when they launched 103 missiles at a few airfields and old chemical labs they would at least all hit their targets....

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    hard to disagree. IMHO picture would complete drones subs can be added roaming around groups. Perhaps as long range skirmishers with Skhval II torpedos
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    Post  kumbor on Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:28 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:no Russian source - official one said about CMs on Kuz, whats more important  admiral  Bursuk never said that . I'd treat it with grain of slt.
    True. It depends in the end of what can be realistically done in a given time frame and with the allocated budget and available industrial resources. Probably they wont turn the K into a space ship, rather get it operational again and most importantly reliable, as soon as possible. The optimizations will be probably developed with new carriers. But as said there are professional Russian sources saying that a carrier is a carrier and doesn't need to do all the functions of the fleet at the same time, just sayin'

    me thinks too.  Kuz will definitely have new self defense, radars, power plant   but first of all new flight management system... for netcentric warfare + better airwing management.  







    LMFS wrote: USN CSGs have been used to discipline naughty countries in the rules of the empire. Russian carriers / TAKR or whatever Russia decides to call them will probably have a deterrent value + fleet protection + COIN strike functions. At least in the future we can reasonably predict. If you are foreseeing use of nukes then if you call the carriers carriers or cruisers is the least important issue as far as I can see. Given its design characteristics, it is hard for me to take at face value that the K had the air wing as secondary priority. But as said, now all surface and submarine combatant classes starting from corvettes can carry dangerous, long range supersonic (and soon enough hypersonic) ASMs, so the value of a ship big enough to carry huge Granits is simply not what it was. RuN has successfully implemented the "distributed lethality" (I feel a little weird using these US teleshop names but you will understand), so they don't need to stuff their carriers with missiles. Much better to make a small diesel sub pop-up with some Zircons and disappear again than committing a cruiser to the improbable task of frontally attacking a CSG.


    how great you agreed with me this time  cheers  cheers  cheers  Just small remark. US CVNs are for colonial as major wars alike. They're implementation of sea control concept. Same with Kuz carrying CMs but since Russians are beefing up everything they can use Antey trick - 3 Kalibrs in one Granite tube Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

    As for small subs I think this is in making. I mean AIP drone subs.  Long range, can go in tens with "expeditionary ship grouping" ( let me call ESG Smile and move forward by 100-200kms if needed -range of AAD/ASh protection of surface combatants.


    LMFS wrote:
    Kuz will have fighters && new helos and drones after renovation. not only fighters. So it looks like its oole role will be ASW/ Landing support too. Unlike Us CVNs
    It had helos before too, as US CVNs have...  Suspect

    Kuz originally AFAIK should carry
    26 fighters
    18 ASW helos
    4 AEW
    2 SAR
    so proportions are bit different then US CVNs since function was different too.


    LMFS wrote:
    And you mix CSGs with "expeditionary ship groupings" . Expeditionary itself implies local wars/flag waving
    You expect RuN to have fully equipped and independent ESGs and CSGs, rather than operating together at a conflict zone? And I am thinking like USN right?  Razz
    Only combat deployment of K until now was in Syria for strike roles. Don't know how that fits in your theory.

    No, my point i there will be no CSGs  in Russian navy planned.  CVN will be part of ESG.  Difference is that airwing here wont be so high and have more defensive nature (air air is least probable) or antiship (navalto extend ASh range/ASW coverage)  




    LMFS wrote:
    then why Russians build CM Iskanders? or building brand nex stealth Kh-50? VLO CM is dangerous, especially sea skimming with good EW protection.

    Because AD network in Europe is very weak

    if bases and navies in Europe have weak defenses   then where it is is strong?  dunno  dunno  dunno

    Nowhere! 20 years of neglecting are taking their toll!
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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:18 am

    I would agree that a few extra planes would be more valuable in this case than 12 Granit missiles, but as far as I am aware there is no chance of removing the missiles and tubes and using that space to increase the number of aircraft the ship can carry because it is isolated from the hangar deck by some rather significant fire walls.

    12 granits are useless. Rhey were supposed to be used in salvos fired in the same time by Oscars, kirovs and kuznetsov (and maybe p-500 from slava but I don't know if the datalink btw the missiles work btw granit and p-500).

    Now kirov are gone or modernized with kalibr. Oscar will be modernized with kalibr. And slava won't last forever and they use different missiles.

    They have to remove the granits and replace them by UKSK or a hangar for 40 to 60 kh-59mk2 and upgrade su-33 and mig-29k to use them. Much better than 12 granits that could engage only one modern ship.
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:00 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Kuz originally AFAIK should carry
    26 fighters
    18 ASW helos
    4 AEW
    2 SAR
    so proportions are bit different then US CVNs since function was different too.
    Everything ok, if you have less ships they need to be more flexible.

    No, my point i there will be no CSGs  in Russian navy planned.  CVN will be part of ESG.  Difference is that airwing here wont be so high and have more defensive nature (air air is least probable) or antiship (navalto extend ASh range/ASW coverage)  
    Yes we basically agree. Russia should not try to substitute legitimacy and boots on the ground through massive bombing campaigns. Defence of the fleet is the main goal.

    if bases and navies in Europe have weak defenses   then where it is is strong?  dunno  dunno  dunno
    In places that had real reasons to fear an air attack, like Russia for instance Razz
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:24 am

    12 granits are useless.

    12 Granits are as formidable as they ever were but now they are out of production there is no point in retaining launchers for them in upgraded ships.

    An upgrade with UKSK or UKSK-M would expand the capability of the vessel dramatically... even if you just load anti sub weapons... a surprise attack by a conventional sub so very little warning... if the Kuznetsov detects a torpedo launch from a sub 20km away it can almost immediately fire a 91ER1 in its direction... the sound of the torpedo launch from the sub moves at about 1.6km/s so 15 seconds after the torpedo is on its way the Kuznetsov should be hearing it... the 91ER1 moves at mach 2.5 on its ballistic path to the target area and might land 1km away from the target but it is a good chance that torpedo will destroy the sub before it is near to hitting the Kuznetsov... so a Paket anti torpedo launch and problem solved...
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    Post  hoom on Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:17 pm

    So apparently the fix is confirmed to be extension/joining of the 2 drydocks at 35th Shipyard in Murmansk
    https://www.google.com/maps/@69.0268575,33.0696842,662m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3578074.html has text & pics of a 2016 proposal for this.
    Current state is 2 side-by-side, much too short for K.
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    Upgrade knocks out the wall between, extends the length & depth plus new entry/caisson.
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    Apparently not looking to buy PD-50 replacement offshore & have a Technical Design for a new one but nowhere to build domestically.
    But thats pretty irrelevant since this extended drydock looks to be at least as big, even somewhat bigger -> full capacity replacement.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:28 pm

    Didn't they say it was going to leave the drydock anyway? So, is there still work left to be done in a different drydock?
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    Post  hoom on Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:07 pm

    They've always said it needs some drydock time before the end, they just said its not a vital immediate need & they'll proceed with other stuff in the meantime.
    Suggestion at balancer is the props are off & possibly even the shafts as well.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:28 pm

    hoom wrote:They've always said it needs some drydock time before the end, they just said its not a vital immediate need & they'll proceed with other stuff in the meantime.
    Suggestion at balancer is the props are off & possibly even the shafts as well.

    She was scheduled to get a billion dollar refit which was cut down to $300 million. They are not even serious about maintaining an operational carrier.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:58 pm

    She was scheduled to get a billion dollar refit which was cut down to $300 million.
    Perhaps they caught corrupted contractors & nipped their scams in the bud! Or maybe they wanted dipper modernization at 1st & then decided that it wasn't mission essential, esp. with other priorities.
    China now has 2 CVs with a 3rd on the way; they'll keep the USN + their allies busy. It's cheaper to build & operate subs with Poseidons capable of sinking entire CSGs along with coastal bases & cities.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:06 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    Perhaps they caught corrupted contractors & nipped their scams in the bud! Or maybe they wanted dipper modernization at 1st & then decided that it wasn't mission essential, esp. with other priorities.
    China now has 2 CVs with a 3rd on the way; they'll keep the USN + their allies busy. It's cheaper to build & operate subs with Poseidons capable of sinking entire CSGs along with coastal bases & cities.

    The funding priority is the nuclear deterrent. Everything else gets sidelined.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:25 pm

    In ur estimation, how long before those priorities change towards conventional arms?
    IMO, they'll be dedicating substantial resources to non-nuclear precision arms while renewing SSBN & strategic bomber fleets.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:29 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:In ur estimation, how long before those priorities change towards conventional arms?
    IMO, they'll be dedicating substantial resources to non-nuclear precision arms while renewing SSBN & strategic bomber fleets.

    The priority will never change unless nukes are made obsolete. Once the big ticket items are paid for then funding for conventional forces would be available.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:40 pm

    Then, CV/Ns r not urgent to have, UDKs will be built 1st, & the Adm. K will sailor on with new CMs for another 2 decades, if not more.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:47 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Then, CV/Ns r not urgent to have, UDKs will be built 1st, & the Adm. K will sailor on with new CMs for another 2 decades, if not more.

    There are two priorities:

    1) Nuclear Deterrent

    2) Export

    ... in that order.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:54 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:She was scheduled to get a billion dollar refit which was cut down to $300 million.  They are not even serious about maintaining an operational carrier.  

    Calling BS on that.  The K doesn't need a $1B-equivalent refit to be returned to a state where she can be fully operational.  New boilers and power-plant upgrade, repairs to arrestor systems, upgraded CIWS, general repairs and refrub.  Yeah, $300M should be enough.

    I'd like to see Granit replacement, improved ASW, new main radar and long/medium range AA but the above program will be adequate and she'll be a useful war-fighter when its all done.

    I've never understood the defeatist pessimism from people who ought to know better  No
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:26 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    hoom wrote:They've always said it needs some drydock time before the end, they just said its not a vital immediate need & they'll proceed with other stuff in the meantime.
    Suggestion at balancer is the props are off & possibly even the shafts as well.

    She was scheduled to get a billion dollar refit which was cut down to $300 million.  They are not even serious about maintaining an operational carrier.  




    I've heard about 60B rubles but never learned this drops to 20B, do you have any source? Imho they are pretty serious, why then new deck fighter programme was started?
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:05 am

    They are not even serious about maintaining an operational carrier.

    They probably don't have a purpose for it right now... or the next 5 years or so, plus a Russian carrier right now will either operate with corvettes and a couple of frigates or it will be a sitting duck with nothing for it to support.

    Fixing the basic problems with it, which right now is propulsion, shouldn't cost that much and when she is ready to sail again there should be a few other vessels that can sail with her too and perhaps she can start spreading the word that there is more than one sheriff in town so you can buy and sell products to Russia as well as the west or the US.... it is a message quite a few countries around the place are looking forward to hearing to be honest.

    China now has 2 CVs with a 3rd on the way; they'll keep the USN + their allies busy. It's cheaper to build & operate subs with Poseidons capable of sinking entire CSGs along with coastal bases & cities.

    Unless China makes a clear commitment to support Russian operations internationally, the number of chinese carriers is not really important to the Russian navy.

    (Should add that the Russian solution to hostile Chinese carriers near its territory would be the same solution it has for US carriers or NATO carriers near its territory... traditionally Tu-22M3 with Kh-22M, and now MiG-31 with Kinzhal and Tu-22M3M with Kinzhal and/or Kh-32 and ship and sub and land launched Onyx).

    The funding priority is the nuclear deterrent. Everything else gets sidelined.

    And rightly so... which means priority is subs in the navy, but their capacity to carry ship launched cruise missiles gives many of the new ships Russia is making strategic nuclear capacity if they want that too... a useful and relatively cheap way to escalate the number of tactical nuclear weapons on the table for combat in europe or Japan...

    IMO, they'll be dedicating substantial resources to non-nuclear precision arms while renewing SSBN & strategic bomber fleets.

    Those precision weapons can give a weapon nuclear like potential without crossing the nuclear threshold, but they could just as easily be all armed with nukes too.

    Then, CV/Ns r not urgent to have, UDKs will be built 1st, & the Adm. K will sailor on with new CMs for another 2 decades, if not more.

    Even if CVNs were thought moderately important they need to finalise the design first and then lay it down and build it... current plans suggest 2023 as the earliest they could lay it down, so we are not talking about carrier in water before 2028 at the very best, so it would not be operational before 2032 even if everything goes to plan...

    I'd like to see Granit replacement, improved ASW, new main radar and long/medium range AA but the above program will be adequate and she'll be a useful war-fighter when its all done.

    Granit is no longer in production so new tubes will be fitted at the very least and at best the tubes removed and UKSK-Ms put there.

    Just the replacement of Kashtan-M with Pantsir-M and the old model TOR missiles with the newer upgraded TOR-M3s would offer an astounding improvement in defensive performance... the new TOR missiles alone offer better range and altitude performance with twice the number of missiles in the same space, with much better accuracy... Pantsir increases range and performance of the missiles too...

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:37 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:


    I've heard  about 60B rubles but never learned this drops to 20B, do you have any source?  Imho they are pretty serious, why then new deck fighter programme was started?


    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/582205

    To let the PD 50 sink and lose your only operational dry dock large enough to take capital ships... what is left to repair it?

    If the goal is to make a VTOL as the new deck fighter then they might as well let the Admiral K sink off Kola Bay.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:10 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:To let the PD 50 sink and lose your only operational dry dock large enough to take capital ships... what is left to repair it?  
    If the goal is to make a VTOL as the new deck fighter then they might as well let the Admiral K sink off Kola Bay.  

    Hmm but Interfax wrote same about scope of work. What was reduced then? (boilers, radars , battle mgmt systems, CIWS)?

    As for drydock well, Russian shipyards need to have large drydocks anyway.  Otherwise no large ships can be maintained in the future.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:28 pm

    Zvezda shipyard can handle it since it can handle upwards to 100,000tons.
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    Post  hoom on Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:55 pm

    From recollection the big refit was going to be full electronics (radar, battle management, EW, ship stuff), Redut, Pantsir-M & probably Kalibrs.
    Then it got downgraded to what seems to be basically just the boiler change & refit (plus arrestor upgrade?).
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:01 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Hmm but Interfax wrote same about scope of work. What was reduced then? (boilers, radars , battle mgmt systems, CIWS)?

    As for drydock well, Russian shipyards need to have large drydocks anyway.  Otherwise no large ships can be maintained in the future.

    According to the article nothing will be modernised, it will only be refurbished.

    If the future deck fighter is a VTOL then it looks like the plan is to operate no ship larger than a Mistral LPH.

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