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    Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:07 am

    Finland taken awake Air Force because old Finland wheres in WWII against Soviet.

    7000 in Army.
    1200 in Navy.

    350,000 in reserve.

    Sweden have little under 5400 in Army and 18637 in Home Guards are maybe true.

    I am no sure but booth learning big misstake to have outisde partnership in NATO.

    Finland have Navy in sea war.

    Sweden have Air Force soldiers in outside war.

    Booth must join NATO next year or this year.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:09 am

    That would be the worst decision ever.

    Joining NATO means participating in an aggressive Terror Organisation and the joining of NATO will bring Finland on the russian Radar, making NATO more aggressive and direct contact with Russian boarder, that will tension everything for Finland and will do nothing good but only problems, economically and from military point of view.
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    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:40 pm

    18637 in Home Guards where in alert in soldf forum skribent writen down soldiers strenght in Home Guards.
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    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:30 pm

    Speciality Swedes need NATO when they have smaller troops near Russia.

    It will cost 3 billion euro to join NATO but it's worth every money Sweden give to NATO.

    Russia can attack's Sweden about 10 year in future and Sweden need help from outside country.

    All help Sweden need to fight back enemies.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:51 pm

    May i ask how old are you?
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:51 pm

    May i ask how old you are?
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    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:03 pm

    28 year.

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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:50 pm

    Because you seem disconnected from reality and the current global politics situation the US is driving Europe and the rest of the world in.

    Russia won't and does not seek to attack anyone and could not give less of shit about scandinavian countries.

    Sweden is already in NATO which is quite visible to anyone who can follow which kind of Propaganda is repeated over and over again over there, that means politics are already driving Sweden via NATO (USA) with constant Anti-russian nonsense coming from some parallel universe where USA is actually called Russia, at least that is the most likely situation where such garbage can come from.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:02 pm

    Obviously some unemployed, leftist, Swedish male in his late 20s. Single, lonely, suicidal and living on benefits. The typical image for those losers. Don't pay much attention.
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    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:16 pm

    I am allready Gud in my adult.

    Anyway. Sweden need 40 Typhoon.

    10x3 division's plus ten planes for help other NATO members if we joined NATO close future.
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:41 pm

    Seems like a horrible bot programmed by some illiterate repeating nonsense and numbers completley disconnected from reality and funnily trying to engage in a war.
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    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:16 pm

    Finland will war fight with float in NATO if they taken Air Force away from finnish defence.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:29 pm

    No-one gives a crap about Finland or Sweden in Russia - why the hell would we ever invade them?

    If we're talking about threats - the only threat we have is the US. While Sweden is its enthusiastic sidekick; in and of itself it doesn't constitute a threat.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:51 pm

    Finland joining NATO will mean war...
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    Post  Battalion0415 on Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:59 pm

    Finland have big reserve force in eastern and in western coast.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:51 am

    Flyingdutchman wrote:Finland joining NATO will mean war...

    I doubt it, it will just mean that Finland becomes yet another pawn of Anglo-American interests in Europe and would have to be ready to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of its men as cannon-fodder on the front-line for NATO.

    It would increase the risk of war, lead to a build-up of forces in the region, deployment of some of Russia's most lethal weapons in proximity due to the new huge imbalance of conventional forces that the situation would create, and in general it would lead more to the thing that most of the Finnish population wants to avoid - but it probably won't lead to a Russian-NATO war by itself.
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    Post  Battalion0415 on Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:28 pm

    If Sweden don't join NATO it is never, ever NATO.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:45 am

    I rather suspect Finland joining NATO would hurt trade between Russia and Finland and further reorient Russian focus away from Europe.

    Sweden joining NATO likely wont effect relations with Russia that much because relations don't seem that good anyway and Sweden does not border Russia.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  Kyo on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:00 pm

    Here we go again. Chapter 2 of the Swedish hysteria over Russian submarines near Stockholm.

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150111/1016767901.html
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:58 pm

    Kyo wrote:Here we go again. Chapter 2 of the Swedish hysteria over Russian submarines near Stockholm.

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150111/1016767901.html
    Ok, so either the Swedes have gone Cucu for Russian subs or Russia has an actual Red October sub in the area.
    I know it's the former, but i honestly hope it's the latter. pirat
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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:05 pm

    Title should read: Sweden & Finland will join NATO in 2015 or ELSE Smile

    Would more accurately reflect the reality really.
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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  Battalion0415 on Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:31 pm

    New size will be these:

    Home Guards - 18637
    Army - 11363
    Air Force - 8000

    Total: 38000 soldiers.

    Swedish Armed Forces this year for general Sverker Goransson.

    Regemente in Boden of 6000 soldiers.

    One brigade in Ostersund of 2363 soldiers.

    Two skyttebataljoner i Stockholm of 600+600.

    En bataljon in Gotland plus one jeager brigade in Norrland of 600+1200.

    Rest will be Home Guards around Skovde and Linkoping and down.

    And 8000 personnal in Air Force.

    I do not know reserve force. Maybe no one.

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    Post  Battalion0415 on Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:30 pm

    My top-3:

    1.23000 - Home Guards, Army, Air Force, Navy + 5000 in reserve.
    2.38000 - Home Guards, Army, Air Force plus no reserve.
    3.60000 - Army plus no reserve force. Big gerilla Army.

    In Swedish Army.

    I didn't like 38000 forces most even Sverker Goransson choise this next month if I know right. Only second best.

    100 Gripen C/D goes down to 60 like new Gripen E/F of 60 in season 2025-2026.

    17 EF Typhoon to 23000 size are best.

    Sweden join NATO with new size this year. Joins NATO 2016 or 2018.


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    Post  Battalion0415 on Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:27 pm

    Swedish Armed Forces:

    Navy - 6000 and half is Marines in Gotland, Sthlm and Östersund.

    Air Force - 8000 personnal.

    - This strenght in 2015 of 14000 seeman and soldiers.
    - Reserves in Boden of 26000 soldiers.
    - 42 Leopard A5 in 2019 after modernization.
    - 9 new Blackhawk it been totally 24 Blackhawk. Orders in 2016.
    - 12 Apache orders in 2016-2017.
    - Two division's C/D of 30 Gripen.
    - 5 submarines between 2020-2023 and go 20 years forward.
    - Then it will been 60 new Gripen or 30 Super Hornets in 2022 or 2024-26.
    - General Göransson choise Army away. Only in reserves the Army.

    Maybe this.

    Is writen this sizes in Global Fire Power 2014.

    29th place in 106 country list.

    yes sir

    Edit. Sweden and Finland have own alliance in Navy in Baltic Sea.


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    Re: Sweden and Finland will join NATO 2015 or 2016?

    Post  Kyo on Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:12 am

    Sweden is getting pathetic:

    Sweden suspects up to 4 subs violated its waters – report
    Published time: January 25, 2015 17:56
    Reuters/Marko SavalaReuters/Marko Savala

    The Swedish military now believes that not one, but up to four foreign submarines were operating in the Stockholm Archipelago in mid-October last year, a source within the country’s armed forces said.

    An unidentified sub was allegedly spotted in Swedish waters on several occasions, October 17-19, 2014.

    This led to a two-week submarine hunt, the Swedish military’s largest operation since the Cold War, but it turned out fruitless, despite the media hype.

    Earlier this month, the Swedish military said it spotted another foreign sub in its territorial waters on October 31 and organized a search operation, which also proved futile.

    The Swedish media alleged the operation in mid-October could’ve been a hunt for a “damaged Russian submarine,” but Moscow has repeatedly denied the claims.

    But now after analyzing the evidence, the armed forces concluded that three or even four vessels violated Sweden’s territorial waters in October 2014, a “central source” told the local Dagens Industri newspaper.

    Rear Admiral Anders Grenstad, deputy chief of operations at the Swedish Armed Forces, confirmed to the paper that the military “suspects there may be several vessels,” but stressed “he doesn’t know how many there were.”

    In his other interview with Tidningarnas Telegrambyra news agency, Grenstad said the official investigation of the incident won’t be completed until March, with the military yet to decide whether to go public with their findings.

    Chairman of Sweden’s parliamentary Defense Committee, Allan Widman, described the report in Dagens Industri as “very worrying.”

    "Three to four sounds like a comprehensive foreign underwater operation, if the information is correct. It seems this business is more extensive than what I thought based on the information that was given at the press conference [by the Swedish military on November 14],” he said.

    With the October hunt yielding no result, Widman had to acknowledge that Sweden’s capability to detect foreign submarines has deteriorated drastically compared to the Cold War times of the 1980s and 1990s.

    The Defense Committee chairman said the country urgently needed to boost its fleet of helicopters with anti-submarine capabilities.

    He said NATO’s NHIndustries NH90 helicopter project has been “a nightmare for Sweden” as it’s “gone on for thirteen years without reaching any of its goals” and is only expected to have anti-submarine capabilities by 2020.

    "The fastest way now I believe is not to continue the project, but to make a direct purchase of a maritime operations helicopter from the US,” Widman stressed.

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