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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:37 pm

    starman wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    "Israeli airplane shot down" - This is VERY new...

    For millennials yes. I can remember a bunch going down in '73 but that's ancient history.
    Looks like it was a 2 seater F-16, both crew ejected, one appears to have died in Israeli hospital from injuries.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:12 pm

    Syrians claimed they hit two so maybe true, maybe not


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    #BREAKING: FORCED LANDING: 2nd Israeli jet landed in an open area between Nazareth and Shfaram

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:25 pm

    starman wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    "Israeli airplane shot down" - This is VERY new...

    For millennials yes. I can remember a bunch going down in '73 but that's ancient history.

    Wasn't born then, my earliest memory of news was grainy TV picture of Arafat and some guy from South America called Ortega or something, he was kinda big deal that year...
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  auslander on Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote: Wasn't born then, my earliest memory of news was grainy TV picture of Arafat and some guy from South America called Ortega or something, he was kinda big deal that year...

    Gawd. A child amongst us. I can remember, vaguely, Korea and the Old Man getting his 'report for duty....again' notice.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:48 pm

    does anyone know what system was used in taking down the F-16?
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Airman on Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:18 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know what system was used in taking down the F-16?

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:46 pm

    Airman wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:does anyone know what system was used in taking down the F-16?


    This pechora 2M modernization is amazing. They already successfully intercepted Popey cruise missiles with it. It is probably even better than export Pantsir.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:53 pm

    An F-15 was also damaged in addition to the downed F-16.

    The pilot of the downed F-16 has died in th hospital... Feel kinda sorry for him. A victim of a stupid policy he had nothing o do with.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:03 pm

    We have Israel "retaliating" for this loss already. Gotta love that crook logic. The F-16 was engaged in criminal activity over
    the territory of another country and was a legitimate target by all criteria. The so-called retaliation is yet more criminal activity.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:04 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:An F-15 was also damaged in addition to the downed F-16.

    The pilot of the downed F-16 has died in th hospital... Feel kinda sorry for him. A victim of a stupid policy he had nothing o do with.


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    MORE: An Israeli F-15 fighter made an emergency landing after being hit by anti-aircraft fire. via: @AlArabiya
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  zorobabel on Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:24 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:An F-15 was also damaged in addition to the downed F-16.

    The pilot of the downed F-16 has died in th hospital... Feel kinda sorry for him. A victim of a stupid policy he had nothing o do with.
    That's how I feel for a lot of the guys in this conflict.


    At least 7 Turkish soldiers died in the Afrin operation today: 2 in the helicopter downing and another 5 in fighting on the ground
    http://www.haberdar.com/gundem/afrin-de-bir-gunde-7-asker-hayatini-kaybetti-h78835.html?mnst=31422

    Turks & TSFA made several advances.

    Edit: Turkish losses jumped to 11


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  par far on Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:40 pm

    "TIGER FORCES ELIMINATE LARGE GROUP OF ISIS TERRORISTS, CAPTURE LOTS OF WEAPONS IN SOUTHEASTERN IDLIB (PHOTOS)."

    "On February 10, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and Tiger Forces recaptured the village of Umm Sirjah and several other positions in the southeastern Idlib countryside form ISIS, according to Syrian pro-pro-government sources. During their advance, the Tiger Forces ambushed and killed a large group of ISIS fighters and captured loads of weapons and ammunition.

    ISIS fighters were able to break the SAA siege on them in the northeastern Hama countryside and managed to reach the southeastern Idlib countryside on February 9 after they had conducted several VBIED attacks against the SAA.

    Syrian oppositions sources claimed on February 9 that the SAA and its allies had opened a route for ISIS to attack Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) positions in the southeastern Idlib countryside. However, the recent clashes between the SAA and ISIS confirm that these claims were fake.

    Form its side, HTS and its allies were not able to recapture any position in the southeastern Idlib countryside from ISIS fighters. However, the HTS-linked news agency Iba’a reported that HTS fighters had killed over 20 fighters of ISIS while they were repelling a new attack of the terrorist group in southern Idlib.

    Currently, few hundreds of ISIS fighters are besieged by HTS inside the villages of Umm Khalakil, Luwaybidah and Musharifah in the southeastern Idlib countryside. Syrian pro-government activists believe that HTS will not be able to eliminate the new ISIS pocket any time soon."

    Captured weapons:







    https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/DVr1F0eVQAA9EOx.jpg?x76537
    Can anyone identify what kind of sniper rifles those are?





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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Kimppis on Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:00 pm

    Alexander Mercouris' take on the incident:

    Military balance shifts: Syria shoots down Israeli F-16

    Syria’s success in shooting down an Israeli F-16 shows the marked improvement in combat capability of the Syrian military

    The shooting down by Syria of an Israeli F-16 shortly after Israel carried out an air strike on Syrian territory has provoked world headlines, as well as a mixture of consternation and threats from Israel.

    There is much about this incident which is unclear, but the central fact about it is that an Israeli F-16 has been shot down by the Syrian military, and that its wreckage fell on Israeli territory.

    The Israeli claim is that this happened after an Israeli air strike on an Iranian drone trailer near Palmyra, which the Israelis say they carried out in response to an intrusion of an Iranian drone from Syria into their airspace.

    The Israelis claim to have brought down this drone and are offering to display it.

    Supposedly Syrian air defences responded to this Israeli air strike by shooting down the Israeli F-16 with anti aircraft missiles.

    Israel claims that in retaliation it then carried out a further air strike on Syrian territory.  Reports suggest that this was against Syrian military facilities near Damascus.  Here is how the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports them.

     [Syrian] Opposition sources in Damascus said that an Israeli strike targeted a control tower of a Syrian military airfield near Damascus, and a weapons depot near the Syrian capital.

    This Israeli account of the whole incident can be found in Haaretz and can be read here.

    The Syrians for their part say that they shot down two Israeli aircraft, and not just one.

    Meanwhile Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is said to be engaging in “urgent consultations” with senior Israeli officials, and the Israelis have published threats warning that “Iran and Syria are playing with fire”.

    However, in reality – despite these characteristically blood-curdling threats – Israel’s response has been muted, with Israel now saying that it does not wish to “escalate” the situation.

     ……the IDF [Israeli Defence Forces – AM] insisted that Israel does not seek escalation with the two states [ie. between Israel and Syria -AM]. “We are willing, prepared and capable to exact a heavy price from anyone that attacks us, however we are not looking to escalate the situation,” the IDF said, insisting that what they’ve done was merely “a defensive effort triggered by an Iranian act of aggression and we are defending our airspace our sovereignty and civilians.”

    What is going on?

    Firstly, Israeli air strikes on targets located within Syrian and Lebanese territory are nothing new.  They have been taking place regularly ever since the Six Day War of 1967.

    Secondly, though the Israelis have identified the Iranians as somehow responsible for the original drone incident, there is no independent corroboration of this, and on the face of it it seems unlikely.

    It is not obvious why Iran would want to send a drone over Israeli territory.  By contrast it is entirely obvious why Syria might want to do so.

    Israeli air raids on Syria, and Israeli air support for Jihadi groups fighting the Syrian army in Syria (especially in the Golan Heights) give the Syrian military an obvious motive for flying surveillance drones over Israel in order to find out what the Israelis are doing there.

    Syria is known to import weapons from Iran, and surveillance drones – whose technology Iran is known to have perfected, and which Iran is known to operate in some numbers – are an obvious import.

    It is therefore possible – and actually likely – that the drone the Israelis brought down – always assuming of course that it existed, something of which unfortunately one cannot be sure (in the Middle East no-one should ever be assumed to be telling the truth) – was a Syrian drone.

    Almost certainly it was of Iranian manufacture, and possibly its operators were Iranians seconded by the Iranian military to the Syrian military, but almost certainly it was carrying out surveillance on behalf of Syria not Iran.

    The key point however is that following this alleged incident with the drone the Syrian military successfully shot down an Israeli fighter jet, doing so for the first time since the 1980s, and doing so moreover over Israeli territory, something which I believe has not happened before since the 1973 war.

    That indicates a radical shift in the military balance of power between Israel and Syria.

    Israel has enjoyed unchallenged control of Middle East air space ever since the 1967 war save for two brief periods: the so-called War of Attrition of 1970 – when its adversary was however the Soviet air defence forces, not the air forces of any of the Arab states – and during the opening days of the 1973 war.

    Russian accounts of the air combat between the Israeli and Syrian air forces during the 1982 Lebanon war suggest that it may have been more evenly matched than Israel claimed and the Western media reported at the time.  However there is no doubt that in the end the Israelis successfully asserted their air supremacy over the Syrians in that combat.

    Since the arrival of the Russians in Syria in September 2015 that situation has however changed.

    The Russian Aerospace Forces based at Khmeimim air base are technologically and in training terms at least the equals of the Israeli air force, even if the Israeli air force heavily outnumbers.

    The radars and air defence missile systems the Russians have however deployed to Syria – recently reinforced by the despatch of still more S-400 missile systems there – pose an even bigger potential challenge to Israel’s superiority in Middle East air space over the long term.

    However the Russians are not currently Israel’s enemy – Israel and Russia presently have cordial relations – and though this is a worrying development for Israel – especially now that the Russians have decided to establish permanent bases in Syria – it is not a reason for immediate concern.

    By contrast the Israelis do perceive Syria as an enemy.  Syria and Israel have in fact been in a formal state of war ever since the state of Israel was founded in 1948.

    The fact that the Syrians have therefore demonstrated an ability to shoot down Israeli fighter aircraft will alarm the Israelis considerably.  Moreover there are aspects of this particular incident which will alarm the Israelis even more.

    The fact that the F-16 was shot down over Israeli territory suggests either that the original Israeli air strike was carried out from Israeli territory – with the Israelis launching long range stand-off missiles against the alleged drone facility from their own air space – or that the Syrians waited for the Israeli aircraft to return to their bases after the air strike before attacking them.

    In either case the Syrians have shown that they are able to track and target Israeli aircraft flying in Israeli air space.

    If the Syrians shot down the F-16 in an ambush when it was returning to its base then they have also demonstrated a previously unknown level of tactical skill.

    Moreover this development has not come from nowhere.  Here is what I wrote on 20th March 2017 following an uncannily similar incident when Syria also tried to shoot down Israeli aircraft over Israel following an Israeli air strike on a military facility near Palmyra

       ……..it appears that the Israeli aircraft did not penetrate deep into Syrian territory.  Rather it seems that the Israeli aircraft slipped across the border, almost immediately launched their missiles against their target, and then turned back home…..

       The stand-off missiles the Israelis would have used would have been either Popeye missiles or – more probably – longer range Delilah cruise missiles, which undoubtedly do have the range to reach targets near Palmyra from the al-Bureij area.

       The Syrians appear to have retaliated by launching S-200 (“SAM-5”) missiles at the Israeli aircraft after the raid as the aircraft were returning home to their bases.

       The Syrians seem to have waited until the Israeli aircraft had recrossed the Lebanese border back into Israel before launching their missiles.  The SANA report clearly says that the air defence missiles were launched at the Israeli aircraft whilst they were over “occupied territory”, which might mean the West Bank or the Golan Heights, but more likely is intended to mean Israel itself (Syria has still not recognised Israel and officially considers the whole of Israel to be occupied Palestinian territory)……

       The Syrian military is…….becoming significantly stronger, with the incident of the raid showing that technical help from Russia has now made it possible for the Syrians to track and intercept Israeli aircraft over Israeli territory…..


    It looks as if the pattern of events today is very similar.

    The original Israel attack on this occasion – like the one in March 2017 – was probably against Syria’s giant Tiyas air base, which is the main Syrian military facility near Palmyra.  Possibly it was launched against a drone control and launch facility operating from there if the story of the drone is true.  Most probably – just as was the case in March 2017 – it was carried out at long range with Popeye or Delilah stand off missiles.

    Subsequently – just as happened in March 2017 – the Syrians tracked the Israeli aircraft as they were returning to their bases, and then ambushed them by launching long range S-200 anti aircraft missiles against them as they were approaching their bases.

    The difference is that whereas in March 2017 the ambush failed, on this occasion it succeeded.

    In other words the Syrians have not only demonstrated the technical capability to track and shoot down Israeli aircraft over Israel, which they had already previously demonstrated last March.  They have now also demonstrated the ability to use this capability successfully as well.

    That suggests a further improvement in Syrian skill and ability since March.

    At this point it is worth adding that this radical improvement in Syrian air defence capabilities is being matched by equally radical improvements in the performance of Syrian ground forces, as they benefit increasingly from Iranian and especially Russian advice, training and technical support.

    Whereas in early 2016 – immediately following the start of the Russian intervention in September 2015 – Syrian military advances against Al-Qaeda in western Syria were slow and incremental, being measured in one or two kilometres a day,  today – as the recently completed Idlib offensive shows – the Syrian army is capable of advances of hundreds of kilometres over the course of just a few weeks or even days.

    It is this radical improvement in Syrian military capabilities which almost certainly explains the muted Israeli response to the shooting down of their F-16.  The Israelis have not launched the sort of all-out attack on Syrian bases, which their previous history suggests might have been expected from them, because they now fear they will suffer further casualties if they do so.

    In other words for the first time in decades an Arab state has demonstrated its ability to defend itself, and has forced Israel to draw back.

    That demonstrates a radical shift in the balance of military power in the Middle East, and will cause Israel extreme concern.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  eehnie on Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:12 pm

    It seems the F-16 falls to the ground in Syria, in the Golan.

    For JohninMK, that posted the other day a Syrian map without the Golan and defended it as something innocent, the part bolded in red. Here is clearly exposed the logic and the origin of this kind of maps.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-israeli-pilot-shot-syrian-air-defenses-dies-injuries-hospital/

    Breaking: Israeli pilot shot down by Syrian air defenses dies of injuries in hospital
    By Andrew Illingworth - 10/02/20187

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (4:55 P.M.) – An Israeli pilot whose warplane was shot down by Syrian air defense forces on Saturday morning has died from injuries sustained during the engagement.

    On Saturday, a major engagement between the Israeli Air Force and Syrian Air Defence Force took place over the occupied Golan Region, south Lebanon and the west Damascus region.

    In a battle that lasted for hours, Israeli warplanes and Syrian anti-aircraft systems traded missile fire – literally dozens of such munitions were loosed – as the latter launched a general attack against ‘Iranian and regime’ bases west of Damascus.

    At the beginning of the battle, Syrian surface-to-air missile systems downed an Israeli F-16I fighter jet over the occupied Golan Heights (described as ‘northern Israel’ by Israeli sources).

    Both crew members reportedly ejected – the weapons operator with light injuries and the pilot with ‘severe’ injuries. Only video evidence exists for the pilot ejecting.

    According to emerging reports, the Israeli pilot with serious injuries has died in hospital. No further details were given.

    Updates to follow.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:36 pm

    This time they don't say their air defence systems intercepted the S-200. The shot donw happened near the border this time so in range of Israeli air defence system while last time it was deep inside Syria.

    Weired also that they didn't say it was a technical failue this time. US won't be happy.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  medo on Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:41 pm

    What is more interesting is the fact, that it was F-16I Sufa, which was shot down. It is the most advanced abd the newest F-16 plane with the most sofisticated israeli electronics. Israeli propaganda claimed, that its ECM capabilities enable it to easily make strikes ai areas protected by S-300 or S-400, but now it is shot down by the old first generation S-125 (SAM-3) modified to Pechora-2M. And considering, that SAA also hit and damage F-15, most probably F-15I Raam, than this bring a good question of israeli ECM capabilities against modern air defense complexes.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:14 pm


    What this event does is that is buys SAA some extra time once IDF is done lashing out before they back off for a while to readjust

    They need to use it to clean up as many snackbars from idlib and grab as much territory as they can while it's quiet
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:18 pm

    medo wrote:What is more interesting is the fact, that it was F-16I Sufa, which was shot down. It is the most advanced abd the newest F-16 plane with the most sofisticated israeli electronics. Israeli propaganda claimed, that its ECM capabilities enable it to easily make strikes ai areas protected by S-300 or S-400, but now it is shot down by the old first generation S-125 (SAM-3) modified to Pechora-2M. And considering, that SAA also hit and damage F-15, most probably F-15I Raam, than this bring a good question of israeli ECM capabilities against modern air defense complexes.

    You should ask this guy  lol1


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:26 pm


    Morning was interesting but evening is even more interesting-er... Smile

    Apparently guy who shot down TSK helo is bona-fide Chincom volunteer, military service and all

    The turkish helicopter has been shot by the Chinese volunteer Heval Le Yung, real name AnGuo Baiji Bailin. He is a specialist in such weapons like MANPADS, photo is from his military service in China

    https://mobile.twitter.com/LunaticDilok/status/962411329679187968

    Photo from his service in Chinese PLA:



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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:37 pm

    Sometimes VT has interesting things to say and this is one of those times. I'll let them say it in their words

    We have all heard the official narrative of the Israeli airstrike on Syria now, thanks to the ever-compliant MSM; an Iranian drone, controlled from a Syrian airbase, violated Israeli airspace so the Israeli airforce struck the Iranian control centre, destroying it and sending a stark message to Damascus and Tehran not to mess with Israel, even if it is a single, unarmed drone.

    However, in the last 2 hours, information from sources on the ground inside Syria paint a very different picture of events.

    They report that the Israeli airstrike was a complete failure, that Syrian loses are very minimal with the only notable damage being a large explosion at a mortar depot near Damascus.

    The Israeli airstrike was unable to penetrate far into Syrian airspace as the Israeli ECM systems failed to counter the Syrian radars, resulting in most Israeli warplanes dropping their weapon loads harmlessly over southern Syria due to the heavy fire from the Syrian Air Defenses.

    The huge failure of the Israeli air strike, forced Tel-Aviv to launch another attack, however, that also failed ignominiously.

    In short, the Israeli strikeforce dropped their encumbering load of bombs and got the hell out of there, at least two of their number were hit and one of them subsequently crashed in Israel, the pilots surviving but very badly injured.

    Contrary to the Israeli claims of having destroyed the ‘Iranian control system’ that they claim guided a drone into Israeli airspace, no ‘Iranian control system’ was hit at the T4 airbase, the vehicle that was hit was an empty, abandoned caravan.

    The T4 airbase was undamaged and continued to be operational, however, the Syrian airforce suspended operations so as not to escalate what is a very tense situation.

    This embarrassing failure by the Israelis to bomb Syria with impunity will have very serious repercussions not just in Tel-Aviv but in Washington as well. The Israeli aircraft – F-15s and F-16s are American, the same models that are still the backbone of the US airforce; furthermore, they use the same ECM (Electronic Counter Measures) to defend themselves from missiles that the US uses, in short, the Israeli airforce has all the same goodies that the US airforce uses.

    .........................................................................................

    Israel was convinced they could attack Syria without consequence. American military advisors totally concurred and Israel moved forward and got their tiny little yarmuka’s stuffed up their behinds.

    The Pentagon told Trump Russia did it, using S400 and S300 systems under Russian command that were, according to some sources, unconfirmed sources, relocated south to cover Israel and Lebanon.

    To note, both the S300 and S400 are a difficult challenge but not beyond defeating. Israel trained over Turkey since 2010 to operate in an S300 environment. Their idea was to stay near maximum range of the system and at low altitude, using stand-off weapons.

    The S300 missiles would burn up fuel at low levels and be out of maneuvering capability at the extreme end of their range. That range, for the S400, however, is nearly double, more than 100 kilometers further than listed in Wikipedia.

    Additionally, the existing Syrian systems:

    Soviet Union 320 Lavochkin CP-75 Dvina/S-75M Volga (SA-2) launchers – under upgrade
    Soviet Union 148 Pechora[1] +12 2M[2] Isayev S-125 Neva/S-125M Pechora (SA-3) launchers – under upgrade
    Soviet Union 48 S-200 Angara (SA-5) launchers
    Soviet Union 200 2K12 Kub (SA-6) launchers
    Soviet Union 60 9K33 Osa (SA-Cool launchers
    Soviet Union 20 9K31 Strela-1 (SA-9) launchers [3]
    Soviet Union 35 9K35 Strela-10 (SA-13) launchers [3]
    Soviet Union 20+8 9K37 Buk М1-2+Buk М2 (SA-11) launchers[4]+[5]
    Soviet Union 6 9M311-1M Tunguska (SA-19) launchers
    Russia 50 Pantsir-S1 (SA-22) launchers[6][7]
    Russia + S-300 (missile) (SA-10) launchers – Delivered but not completed. Status unclear.[8][9][10][11][12]

    These systems may well be under combined operational command with Russia’s regional air defense system which generally extends offshore as well, depending on naval assets deployed.

    The Syrian systems, those listed as under modernization and others, are upgraded significantly and operate in a counter-ECM environment that humiliated the US in the Trump attack after the phony Khan Sheikhoun imaginary poison gas theatre fiasco.

    The Pentagon wants to blame Russia but it is quite possible Syria just kicked Israel’s ass all by itself.

    These events push Netanyahu to either respond with tactical nuclear weapons, and we have information that the US is aware Israel is prepared to do exactly that, or use his press assets and lie his way out of it. The current false reporting on Israel’s attacks is evidence that Netanyahu doesn’t want to see Syria strewn with Israeli plane wreckage again.

    Russian pilots, we are told, are begging to burn Israel. Russian planes in the sector outperform the F15 and F16 by some margin and hatred for Israel runs high in Russia’s military after years of seeing Israel work closely with ISIS.


    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/02/10/intel-drop-israeli-strike-on-syria-utter-failure/comment-page-1/#comment-703383


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:40 pm

    starman wrote:
    yavar wrote:Israeli F-16 fighter jet shot down over Syrian by air defense

    After hundreds of Israeli raids over Syria, it's about time they scored a kill. To my knowledge, this is the first Israeli jet downed in combat since 1983!



    Israel real losses have been hiding from the public for many years. their loses count for me , is in the 4-5 before
    this new recent incident..  and this is not counting the rumours of the F-35 damaged  by Syria airdefenses weeks ago. What happens is that Israel never admits any losses.. When Syria says something they will never admit it..
    because will damage the morale of their military,Israel propaganda military claim it was either a drone or that a plane crashed because of "mechanical defects."  

    Now Syria Military is saying they hit multiple planes of Israel.. and Israel only admit losing one..  originally.
    but now more reports shows that 2 x F-16s where hit.. and 1 X F-15.. too..  So the real numbers of losses for israel
    have to be in the 10.. planes and 2x -3x times more with Israeli drones. This numbers are not ground breaking indeed..
    But you have to take into account Syria airdefenses are old and that Israel fires missiles mostly from far distances ,
    to facilitate their escape. If there was full scale war between Syria and Israel.. and their planes were flying for hours
    Inside Syria territory ,(instead of hit and Run tactics of israel now) then the loses will be orders of magnitude higher.
    Israel fears a lot Syria air defenses.. so much that it threatened to destroy them.. after Syria fired s-200s on Israel planes some time ago and claimed to hit two combat planes. if Israel felt not threat from Syria airdefenses.. then it will
    not leave Syria airspace so quickly,and will not be threatening Syria to destroy their air defenses if use them.



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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Kimppis on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm

    "Russian pilots, we are told, are begging to burn Israel. Russian planes in the sector outperform the F15 and F16 by some margin and hatred for Israel runs high in Russia’s military after years of seeing Israel work closely with ISIS."

    WAT!?!?!?

    (Atleast that part has to be fake news. Ridiculous.)
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:47 pm

    Kimppis wrote:"Russian pilots, we are told, are begging to burn Israel. Russian planes in the sector outperform the F15 and F16 by some margin and hatred for Israel runs high in Russia’s military after years of seeing Israel work closely with ISIS."

    WAT!?!?!?

    (Atleast that part has to be fake news. Ridiculous.)

    Agree. They probably never meet. F-15 are not that bad specially with AESA radars (if they have them, I'm not sure).
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:52 pm

    Agree with the RuAF comments you two make, but this was VT I was quoting!!!

    This might be the source of some of the VT stuff


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    No Iranian control system was hit in T4, the vehicle that was hit is an empty abandon caravan, u can even note that the roof of it was taken away in the Israeli video
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    SAA loses are very minimum, the only large explosion came from a mortar depot around Damascus
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    Most Israeli warplanes ejected their weapon loads over southern Syria due the heavy fire from the Syrian Air Defense resulting in a huge failure of the Israeli air strike, forcing it to launch another attack that also failed






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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #16

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:12 am

    Kimppis wrote:"Russian pilots, we are told, are begging to burn Israel. Russian planes in the sector outperform the F15 and F16 by some margin and hatred for Israel runs high in Russia’s military after years of seeing Israel work closely with ISIS."

    WAT!?!?!?

    (Atleast that part has to be fake news. Ridiculous.)

    Correct, this is fantasy

    I don't think VKS even notices IAF all that much, they avoid Russians like kryptonite

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