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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  Isos on Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:26 am

    GarryB wrote:Well they can't trust the US... at least they have realised that.

    The funny part is that US say russia is violating treaties about iskander missile range while they just withdrew from treaties when their tech is available and the oponent techno is not. US sign these treaties to gain some time. Nothing more.
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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:25 pm

    According to the article below, production of the S-500 has either already begun or is about to begin.

    The first S-500 battalion is expected to be deployed in 2019 in the Moscow region as was the case with the first S-300 in the 70's and S-400 in 2007-2009....the further pace of S-500 production will depend on the performance in field conditions of the first unit

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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:19 pm

    The US was jumping up and down complaining that the cruise missile addon for the Iskander missile violated the INF treaty to distract attention from the fact that their land based AEGIS system in europe is based on the Mk41 launch system... which can fire Standard SAMS but also Tomahawk cruise missiles... which makes it a direct violation of the INF treaty.


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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  jhelb on Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:45 am

    GarryB wrote:The US was jumping up and down complaining that the cruise missile addon for the Iskander missile violated the INF treaty to distract attention from the fact that their land based AEGIS system in europe is based on the Mk41 launch system... which can fire Standard SAMS but also Tomahawk cruise missiles... which makes it a direct violation of the INF treaty.


    This reporter from Finland has eventually found out a way to destroy both the S-400 & Iskander  Laughing

    https://twitter.com/charlyjsp/status/976089724988411911


    And in the Nordic countries, this guy Charles is considered to be an outstanding defence reporter.


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    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:49 am

    jhelb wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The US was jumping up and down complaining that the cruise missile addon for the Iskander missile violated the INF treaty to distract attention from the fact that their land based AEGIS system in europe is based on the Mk41 launch system... which can fire Standard SAMS but also Tomahawk cruise missiles... which makes it a direct violation of the INF treaty.


    This reporter from Finland has eventually found out a way to destroy both the S-400 & Iskander  Laughing

    https://twitter.com/charlyjsp/status/976089724988411911


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    Post  Kimppis on Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:40 am

    Oh, that guy is one of those "foreign policy experts" on Finnish TV (EDIT: yes jhelb, you're correct  Smile ), atleast he was back in 2014-15, I really stopped watching Finnish news after that (you can guess why). But he didn't seem like an actual full-on Russophobe, and his tweets seem to confirm that atleast, but that is of course not saying much.

    I also just love how they keep using the basically totally fake "hybrid war" term, i.e. a conspiracy theory. It's a grand narrative on Russia, in which the whole country and Putin can be blamed for literally everything and anything. If you are not 100% convinced, if you don't believe the Western MSM's Russia bashing, you're just a victim of Putler's "hybrid warfare". That shit every time... you can't make it up. They don't see the problem in any of that?

    I'm sorry that I'm not convinced of your great Russophobic theories, which have been proven to be fake news. Among so many others, 1. Putin killing journalists and dissidents have been proven to be statistically nonsense, 2. Westerners really do believe it was Russia that started the Georgian war (talk about propaganda...) and 3. using either totally BS or atleast a decade old narratives on Russian demographics and living standard and social indicators... and the list goes on and on. So I wonder why I'm not very convinced? Just blame yourselves. Putler got me there, too bad, sorry.

    I mean jeez... We all pick our side. They clearly have theirs, I have mine. But please, can those "experts" and "intellectuals" apply the same standards to all the Western/NATO/US actions? I might as well believe all the anti-Western conspiracy theories, by their standards? Everything else is just Western hybrid war.... jewish-lizard influence... or something.

    Just please, don't insult our intelligence.  

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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  ZoA on Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:12 am

    jhelb wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The US was jumping up and down complaining that the cruise missile addon for the Iskander missile violated the INF treaty to distract attention from the fact that their land based AEGIS system in europe is based on the Mk41 launch system... which can fire Standard SAMS but also Tomahawk cruise missiles... which makes it a direct violation of the INF treaty.


    This reporter from Finland has eventually found out a way to destroy both the S-400 & Iskander  Laughing

    https://twitter.com/charlyjsp/status/976089724988411911


    And in the Nordic countries, this guy Charles is considered to be an outstanding defence reporter.

    International sale of missiles and UAVs with ranges above 300 km illegal as for MTCR protocols. US is signor of those protocols and is violating them by providing JASSM to Finland. US is doing same violation by supplying same weapon to Poland , and there is also intend to supply it to Japan too. What is Russia going to do abut it? Nothing, they don't even mention it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Technology_Control_Regime

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM

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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:49 am

    ZoA wrote:International sale of missiles and UAVs with ranges above 300 km illegal as for MTCR protocols. US is signor of those protocols and is violating them by providing JASSM to Finland. US is doing same violation by supplying same weapon to Poland , and there is also intend to supply it to Japan too. What is Russia going to do abut it? Nothing, they don't even mention it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Technology_Control_Regime

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM
    Are you sure it is "nothing"? What about the sales of Iskander to Armenia and Algeria?

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    Post  YG_AJ on Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:12 pm

    Svyatoslavich wrote:International sale of missiles and UAVs with ranges above 300 km illegal as for MTCR protocols. US is signor of those protocols and is violating them by providing JASSM to Finland. US is doing same violation by supplying same weapon to Poland , and there is also intend to supply it to Japan too. What is Russia going to do abut it? Nothing, they don't even mention it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Technology_Control_Regime

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM
    Are you sure it is "nothing"? What about the sales of Iskander to Armenia and Algeria?


    Do you even make some research? The export variant Iskander-E has a range of 280km...

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:36 pm

    Well the reported range is 280km... everyone knows the Russians exaggerate the performance of their weapons anyway.


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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  Isos on Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:43 pm

    The missile is the same but with less fuel for export version. Countries like india or north korea or iran could make it longer range by puting more fuel. They already did that with Scud.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:32 pm

    S-500 radar seen being tested + the patents for S-500

    https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/status/980062655976177664?s=19
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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:51 pm



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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

    Post  rambo54 on Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:15 am

    Very interesting article
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3145944.html

    For me the bottom line is:
    1. 40N6 is the intended main armament of S-500 (in addition to 77N6)!
    2. It is still in field trials and minor changes are necessary.
    3. the missile is longer than 48N6 and has small control surfaces
    3. S-400 will take the benefit to receive this weapon (~2019) in addition to (the smaller) 48N6

    This means in 2020 we have
    S-400 with 48N6 (standard) + 40N6 (advanced) and
    S-500 with 40N6 (standard) + 77N6 (advanced)

    BTW: the 9M96 (originally intended as secondary weapon for S-300PMU2) will be the main armament of S-350. The deployment of this system (even a detachment to Syria was mentioned) was planned for last year.
    Does anybody know what's about it?

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    Post  Arrow on Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:15 am

    It is still in field trials and minor changes are necessary. wrote:

    Laughing Laughing Still in tests from 2011

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    Post  Hole on Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:31 am

    Field Trials are something different than "Tests".
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:39 am

    48N6DM is already in service and used extensively. 40N6 is been testing for years. It's undergone changes, and so has the plant that it was designed/made in. Its performance has apparently changed for the better, and I can see why S-500 would use it as main missile.

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    Post  Arrow on Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:42 am

    Interesting when we will see some photos of 40N6? There are 9M96, 48N6DM photos for many years.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:46 am

    Photos of 40N6 has existed for years. Actual use of it, no. But then again, same went with the later variants of the 9M83 but we know it exists. 40N6 is odd.

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    Post  Arrow on Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:48 am

    Photos of 40N6 has existed for years. wrote:

    So please one of them.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:51 am

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4h1cfXVMAEXnIm.jpg

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    Post  Arrow on Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:27 pm

    This is 48N6DM Very Happy
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:58 pm

    I'll have to check keypub forums. I saw it on there way back what looked like Fakel plant.

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    Post  Arrow on Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:59 am

    There are no 40N6 pictures.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:31 am

    If you say so.

    Just like no one knew of Khinzal. No pics of avangard, etc. Laughing

    Even big time papers mentioned it's recent test and one in April/may before being handed over in summer.

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