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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:39 pm

    S-400s in Eastern Military District hit targets of new type at proving ground in Buryatiya

    "During the live firing phase the most complex situation was created at the proving ground to simulate an enemy air attack. New types of targets were added. S-400 crews carried out ten launches of guided air defense missiles to hit all targets, including high-speed and maneuverable ones flying at extremely low altitudes," the news release runs.

    https://tass.com/defense/1079410
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:02 am

    S-350 missiles would be much better suited to low flying threats of all types.

    In addition to being smaller and lighter and able to be carried in greater numbers of course.

    Contents wouldn't be too different than brand new S-400 missiles of greater range so they might even be cheaper.

    Will be interesting... because US and Saudi Arabian claims the missiles and drones came from Iran... all those ships and aircraft and ground and air based radar... how could such an attack be missed... and how will this make europe feel... Iranian drones and missiles are not nothing, but Russia has rather more missiles of a much greater variety that are better, and european defences are probably not as good on paper as Saudi defences...
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:06 am

    I'm sceptical about these reports that the missiles/drones came from Iranian territory...it's probably just a media smokescreen.

    As for a hypothetical conflict in Europe, we can only speculate. Most European countries don't really have large Air-Defence forces. But I guess there would be more things like AWACS and other types of Recon planes flying around
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    Post  Isos on Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:22 am

    S-350 missiles would be much better suited to low flying threats of all types.

    S-400 is better. It can use the same missiles but it also has more radars and better ones of all sort when deployed.

    S-350 seems to be much simplier and with only 1 engagement radar and 1 surveillance radar. But I'm not sure about that. To be verified.

    Buk M2 should also be cheaper but more limited.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:35 pm

    I'm sceptical about these reports that the missiles/drones came from Iranian territory...it's probably just a media smokescreen.

    For all we know these missiles and drones could have been launched from inside Saudi territory... I mean the Houthis are claiming they did it and they share a border with Saudi Arabia... it is not their first attack on targets inside Saudi Arabia that were not intercepted and therefore likely not detected either.

    If they came from Iran it is actually much worse than if the houthis launched the attack from Yemen because on paper Iran is a rather more serious threat to SA than Yemen is and if they didn't see it coming that suggests some really serious gaps in their air defences... which they have literally spent billions on...

    As for a hypothetical conflict in Europe, we can only speculate. Most European countries don't really have large Air-Defence forces. But I guess there would be more things like AWACS and other types of Recon planes flying around

    Probably the best western IADS are on their ships and Saudi Arabia has a large stretch of flat open water between them and Iran where you really can't hide a missile or drone... europe doesn't even have that advantage...

    Saudi Arabia is western oriented when it comes to air defence... it is air attack with the air component doing double duty as air defence but most of the time... NOT.

    Most of their air power will be being used for attacks and wont be available to defend anything but themselves... they need to buy more planes... 200 F-35s would end the regime just on cost of operations.

    S-400 is better. It can use the same missiles but it also has more radars and better ones of all sort when deployed.

    S-350 seems to be much simplier and with only 1 engagement radar and 1 surveillance radar. But I'm not sure about that. To be verified.

    But the point is that both S-400 and S-350 batteries can have S-350 missiles... and being able to have four times more S-350s than S-400s means if they do have S-350s they can be equipped with rather more missiles.

    For low flying targets a battery on its own likely wont be detecting drones and cruise missiles at much more than 20-30km at best... but with an AWACS platform and other radars it could engage low flying targets out to the max missile range of 150km or so... which is plenty if the battery is located near the targets.

    With air power supporting a fighter like an Su-35 with 14 weapon hard points... assuming 2 pylons are taken up with ESM pods then it can carry 12 air to air missiles to take down drones and cruise missiles.

    Some sort of air launched Pantsir-SM missile... the small quad missiles in each tube would be ideal for fighter aircraft to take on cruise missiles and drones... perhaps a cluster of four tubes per main wing pylon... say six pylons with four missile tubes on each pylon and four missiles in each tube would equate to 24 tubes with four slim missiles in each tube... so guided 96 missiles... with an air launch they would probably be 25-30km range command guided missiles... which would be pretty useful to deal with a swarm attack.

    Being non stealthy, carrying these tubes wont ruin their performance... they would probably be rather light weight... a light aircraft like a Yak-130 could carry two tubes per pylon on four wing pylons, for 8 tubes with 32 missiles per aircraft and space for a centreline targeting pod and wing tip R-74s... or perhaps twin pack Igla-S or Verba missiles.

    The thing is that you can't afford to have these aircraft flying around all the time in case there is an attack... it is called a surprise attack for a reason... and if you leave any gaps then you are just asking to be surprised by an attack from that direction... you could put cruise missiles and drones on a cargo ship and launch from any direction you like...

    I would suspect the S-350 comes with some pretty sophisticated radars and air defence sensors... likely including IIR sensors because the 9M100 will be IIR guided.

    BUK is used by the Russian Army (and Navy) so it would be defending operational units but not used for general air defence of the country.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:46 pm

    I seem to remember a US programme from the late 1980s and early 1990s with a small guided missile called a wasp or something that was supposed to be carried in huge numbers... something like 7 missiles to a weapon pylon, and these were guided weapons to take out armour in enormous numbers... something like that would be interesting.

    The Pantsir is a two stage missile with a large solid rocket booster, but for air launched models they probably wouldn't need anything like the size of booster and could be made smaller and lighter like the four missile to a tube variant for the ground based missile for use at close range against drones.

    Even something like TOR might be a little too big... a slimmed down TOR carried in bundles... but then you say... well why not go the other way and look at 80mm unguided rocket pods with a laser homing seeker with 20 rockets per pod and already standard across the air force and other armed services... and for extra range there is always the 122mm 5 shot rocket pods for the heavy air to ground rockets intended to take out hardened aircraft shelters and bunkers and fortified positions.

    A small ramjet motor and your 80mm rockets could have a rather significant powered range...
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    Post  Hole on Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:17 pm

    S-350 has no engagement radar. Each missile has an actice radar seeker.

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    The 50N6 is a surveillance/early warning radar.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:28 pm

    Hole wrote:S-350 has no engagement radar. Each missile has an actice radar seeker.

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    The 50N6 is a surveillance/early warning radar.
    If it's intermixed with S-400 regiments it'll probably utilize one of theirs.
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    Post  Hole on Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:17 pm

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    Post  Isos on Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:27 pm

    Hole wrote:S-350 has no engagement radar. Each missile has an actice radar seeker.


    The 50N6 is a surveillance/early warning radar.

    It's multi function radar working in X band that is used for tracking and surveillance.

    Contrary to what US tried to make everyone believe, ARH missiles still need another radar to track the target for most of the flight. Their radars start working only few seconds before hiting the target. Generally 15-20km away.

    Surveillance radar takes time to refresh targets coordinates but for the engagement you need to know what the target is doing in real time, specially if it's doing evasive manoeuvre and your missile has still not turned on its own radar.

    So "the fire and forget aim 120, launch it and turn away" they love to talk about is total bullshit.  

    They are also much more expensive than semi active radar missiles or radio commanded ones.

    X-band allso means it is affected by stealth. Russia will use it in its IADS with other low frequency radars but the system itself is well affected by stealth of new jets and missiles do good luck exporting this.

    The other issue is that the radar is very low which is not good against cruise missiles. Naval variant is much better for that role.

    It's a very simplified s-400 which alone isn't that good. The overall system should be cheap but ARH missiles are expensive. They should add a L band radar, for exemple the small nebo they presented at army2019. And mke a mast mounted 50N6.


    More about it:

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/vityaz_50r6_air_defense_missile_systems_vehicles_u/50n6a_multi-function_mobile_tracking_radar_vityaz_50r6_missile_system_technical_data_sheet_pictures.html

    So it can track 40 and engage 8 with 2 missiles each. Which means it has a track whike scan mode like fighter's radars.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:06 am

    The target location can be acquired by a range of sources... including aircraft... the S-350 is part of a network and any node on that network can provide target data to allow an engagement to take place.

    The first test of the R-37 AAM for the MiG-31M took place before the MiG-31Ms radar was ready so an Su-30 flying closer to the target tracked the target and passed target data back to the launch aircraft. The R-37 missile flew 300km to the target on that intercept, a target the aircraft it was launched from never detected with its radar.

    The whole point of ARH for the S-350 is to allow the battery to engage targets behind direct line of site of the battery that launches the missile like a cruise missile.

    Air borne radar or other ground based radar can be used to detect targets and provide intercept information.

    The Standard TEL for the S-400 can carry 4 rather big missiles of 250km or 400km range, or it can carry up to 16 S-350 missiles with much less range.

    The TEL for the S-350 is smaller and lighter and only carries 12 missiles of the 9M96 type, or four times more 9M100 short range missiles.

    In many ways the S-350 is intended to replace the old S-300 missiles, and enhance the ability of the S-400 to handle large numbers of targets at once.

    For the Russians I would expect they might prefer to fire off older model systems like the S-125 at incoming drones and cruise missiles... in fact using very old SAMs as rocket boosters to ground launch cruise missiles would be a useful way of dealing with all the SAMs they likely have in storage.
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    Post  Austin on Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:08 pm

    A fundamentally new generation: the Almaz-Antey Concern was named the main features of the S-500

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/2019618812-4DPaZ.html

    To replace the S-500: the developer revealed details about the Russian air defense systems of the future

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201808211302-47nh.htm
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:30 pm

    "Prometheus" ask for fire: S-500 systems tested in Syria

    Testing the latest weapons was considered successful




    October 2, 2019 00:01
    Alexey Ramm Alexey Kozachenko Bogdan Stepova

    In Syria, the most important elements of the Russian S-500 “Prometheus” air defense system have been tested. During testing, certain problems were identified in the operation of the equipment, but they were able to be quickly eliminated. The tests have already been completed and recognized successful, sources in the Ministry of Defense and the military-industrial complex told Izvestia. The effectiveness of the entire system depends on the uptime of the combat control point and the new all-high-altitude S-500 radar-detector, military experts say.

    Wear work
    During the tests that precede deliveries to the armed forces, special attention is always paid to the uninterrupted operation of all their components, said the former deputy commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force on issues of the CIS integrated air defense system, Lieutenant General Aitech Bizhev.

    “All equipment before running into the series must be run in,” he explained to Izvestia. - It is tested in harsh technical and climatic conditions and literally works for wear. Only such a mode of operation can identify deficiencies. After that, all breakdowns and problems are summarized, activated and carried out to eliminate them. Syria is well suited for such trials - it is always hot there, a lot of dust. In addition, the radar has to work around the clock - the situation in the republic is turbulent and anti-aircraft gunners must constantly maintain a radar field.

    During the tests, great attention is also paid to the ergonomics of workplaces for crew members, the expert added.

    Modeled after Hmeimim
    The S-500 “Prometheus” system will also include a combat control point (PBU) with an automatic control system (ACS), explained Dmitry Kornev, editor-in-chief of the Military Russia portal. PBU is the brain of Prometheus. Its equipment provides the operation of a whole anti-aircraft connection. All information from the radars of not only the S-500 regiment, but also third-party radars, anti-aircraft systems and higher air defense command posts flocks here. Electronics of modern PBUs are able to determine goals and issue commands to defeat in automatic mode.

    In addition, the kit includes a radar detection system (RLC), which is responsible for the long-distance search and identification of ballistic and aerodynamic targets. The S-500 also needs a multi-functional "backlight" radar - its main task is to capture the target and bring anti-aircraft missiles to it.

    For the "five hundred", as well as for the S-400, a long-range high-altitude radar detector has been developed. It allows you to most accurately set the coordinates and flight path of ballistic and aerodynamic targets. This radar is capable of finding rockets, planes, helicopters and small drones at any altitude.

    The tense situation in the Syrian Arab Republic provides a good opportunity to check the PBU and radar detectors, said Dmitry Kornev.

    “The high-altitude radar and the PBU allow building reliable air defense without external sources of information,” the expert noted. - A high-altitude detector helps you track targets in time. PBU - to correctly distribute them between the air defense systems of a particular area. In particular, they can involve other complexes in repelling attacks. For example, entrust the “Bukam” or “Shell” the destruction of individual targets. According to a similar principle, the defense of the Khmeimim military base in Syria is being built.

    An oil refinery in Saudi Arabia that was recently attacked by drones did not have such a defense system, Dmitry Kornev emphasized. Otherwise, the blow could be repelled, he is sure.

    Full Article
    https://iz.ru/927353/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/prometei-prosiat-ognia-sistemy-s-500-ispytali-v-sirii

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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:55 pm

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    Reportedly:
    About two months ago #Russia tested the S-500 in #Syria against a target (likely unmanned Mig-25)
    The missile was launched from the coastal line towards the south east.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:15 pm

    Isos wrote:@Syrian_MC
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    Reportedly:
    About two months ago #Russia tested the S-500 in #Syria against a target (likely unmanned Mig-25)
    The missile was launched from the coastal line towards the south east.

    Unmanned Mig-25??
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:05 pm

    It would make sense that once Russia makes a AWAC like ability UAV  forms a units assigned to a radar units (ECM/ECCM units are subordinate to them) which accompany every PVO units and provide them with radar coverage for extremely low flying targets well in front giving increasing efficiency by giving more time to PVO systems to optimize while slowly hovering under the protection of the PVO unit it provides low altitude coverage to making whole system unified.

    From day one first blood was spilled between PVO vs air force engagement US has tried to break PVO in mid-altitudes using different formations, different maneuvers, different ECM, different decoys and still PVO stood firm, US than tried using planes at hi-altitude and hi-speed still to no avail than it tried breaking PVO units with low lvl penetrations with mix success depending on the adversary and high hovering AWAC like UAV would crush confidence of US air force generals stopping all talk in its tracks. Perhaps a combo of AWACS and ECM like UAV would make even more sense and for ECM weapon and trust even Al-31 would do meaning UAV the weight of MiG-29 will long 90 degrees angled wings.

    I think that as a superpower US confidence can not succumb to the role of the night thief with only low lvl penetrations as for a major war it needs room to act and that can be achieved only at all altitudes as only some will severely limit its efficiency since ECM was deemed as inefficient given double digits PVO systems that started to emerge in the east and crushed their confidence hence stealth for the promise of a easy win and now when stealth is being blocked also they face dilemma what to do, press on with initial thought or risk facing laughter of the world for now exposed weakness in persistence which will of them tell more than combined all technical secrets stolen by China.
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    Post  Mindstorm on Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:04 pm

    dino00 wrote:"Prometheus" ask for fire: S-500 systems tested in Syria

    Testing the latest weapons was considered successful




    October 2, 2019 00:01
    Alexey Ramm Alexey Kozachenko Bogdan Stepova

    In Syria, the most important elements of the Russian S-500 “Prometheus” air defense system have been tested. During testing, certain problems were identified in the operation of the equipment, but they were able to be quickly eliminated. The tests have already been completed and recognized successful, sources in the Ministry of Defense and the military-industrial complex told Izvestia. The effectiveness of the entire system depends on the uptime of the combat control point and the new all-high-altitude S-500 radar-detector, military experts say.

    Wear work
    During the tests that precede deliveries to the armed forces, special attention is always paid to the uninterrupted operation of all their components, said the former deputy commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force on issues of the CIS integrated air defense system, Lieutenant General Aitech Bizhev.

    “All equipment before running into the series must be run in,” he explained to Izvestia. - It is tested in harsh technical and climatic conditions and literally works for wear. Only such a mode of operation can identify deficiencies. After that, all breakdowns and problems are summarized, activated and carried out to eliminate them. Syria is well suited for such trials - it is always hot there, a lot of dust. In addition, the radar has to work around the clock - the situation in the republic is turbulent and anti-aircraft gunners must constantly maintain a radar field.

    During the tests, great attention is also paid to the ergonomics of workplaces for crew members, the expert added.

    Modeled after Hmeimim
    The S-500 “Prometheus” system will also include a combat control point (PBU) with an automatic control system (ACS), explained Dmitry Kornev, editor-in-chief of the Military Russia portal. PBU is the brain of Prometheus. Its equipment provides the operation of a whole anti-aircraft connection. All information from the radars of not only the S-500 regiment, but also third-party radars, anti-aircraft systems and higher air defense command posts flocks here. Electronics of modern PBUs are able to determine goals and issue commands to defeat in automatic mode.

    In addition, the kit includes a radar detection system (RLC), which is responsible for the long-distance search and identification of ballistic and aerodynamic targets. The S-500 also needs a multi-functional "backlight" radar - its main task is to capture the target and bring anti-aircraft missiles to it.

    For the "five hundred", as well as for the S-400, a long-range high-altitude radar detector has been developed. It allows you to most accurately set the coordinates and flight path of ballistic and aerodynamic targets. This radar is capable of finding rockets, planes, helicopters and small drones at any altitude.

    The tense situation in the Syrian Arab Republic provides a good opportunity to check the PBU and radar detectors, said Dmitry Kornev.

    “The high-altitude radar and the PBU allow building reliable air defense without external sources of information,” the expert noted. - A high-altitude detector helps you track targets in time. PBU - to correctly distribute them between the air defense systems of a particular area. In particular, they can involve other complexes in repelling attacks. For example, entrust the “Bukam” or “Shell” the destruction of individual targets. According to a similar principle, the defense of the Khmeimim military base in Syria is being built.

    An oil refinery in Saudi Arabia that was recently attacked by drones did not have such a defense system, Dmitry Kornev emphasized. Otherwise, the blow could be repelled, he is sure.

    Full Article
    https://iz.ru/927353/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/prometei-prosiat-ognia-sistemy-s-500-ispytali-v-sirii




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    Post  dino00 on Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:05 am

    Mindstorm wrote:
    dino00 wrote:"Prometheus" ask for fire: S-500 systems tested in Syria

    Testing the latest weapons was considered successful




    October 2, 2019 00:01
    Alexey Ramm Alexey Kozachenko Bogdan Stepova

    In Syria, the most important elements of the Russian S-500 “Prometheus” air defense system have been tested. During testing, certain problems were identified in the operation of the equipment, but they were able to be quickly eliminated. The tests have already been completed and recognized successful, sources in the Ministry of Defense and the military-industrial complex told Izvestia. The effectiveness of the entire system depends on the uptime of the combat control point and the new all-high-altitude S-500 radar-detector, military experts say.

    Wear work
    During the tests that precede deliveries to the armed forces, special attention is always paid to the uninterrupted operation of all their components, said the former deputy commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force on issues of the CIS integrated air defense system, Lieutenant General Aitech Bizhev.

    “All equipment before running into the series must be run in,” he explained to Izvestia. - It is tested in harsh technical and climatic conditions and literally works for wear. Only such a mode of operation can identify deficiencies. After that, all breakdowns and problems are summarized, activated and carried out to eliminate them. Syria is well suited for such trials - it is always hot there, a lot of dust. In addition, the radar has to work around the clock - the situation in the republic is turbulent and anti-aircraft gunners must constantly maintain a radar field.

    During the tests, great attention is also paid to the ergonomics of workplaces for crew members, the expert added.

    Modeled after Hmeimim
    The S-500 “Prometheus” system will also include a combat control point (PBU) with an automatic control system (ACS), explained Dmitry Kornev, editor-in-chief of the Military Russia portal. PBU is the brain of Prometheus. Its equipment provides the operation of a whole anti-aircraft connection. All information from the radars of not only the S-500 regiment, but also third-party radars, anti-aircraft systems and higher air defense command posts flocks here. Electronics of modern PBUs are able to determine goals and issue commands to defeat in automatic mode.

    In addition, the kit includes a radar detection system (RLC), which is responsible for the long-distance search and identification of ballistic and aerodynamic targets. The S-500 also needs a multi-functional "backlight" radar - its main task is to capture the target and bring anti-aircraft missiles to it.

    For the "five hundred", as well as for the S-400, a long-range high-altitude radar detector has been developed. It allows you to most accurately set the coordinates and flight path of ballistic and aerodynamic targets. This radar is capable of finding rockets, planes, helicopters and small drones at any altitude.

    The tense situation in the Syrian Arab Republic provides a good opportunity to check the PBU and radar detectors, said Dmitry Kornev.

    “The high-altitude radar and the PBU allow building reliable air defense without external sources of information,” the expert noted. - A high-altitude detector helps you track targets in time. PBU - to correctly distribute them between the air defense systems of a particular area. In particular, they can involve other complexes in repelling attacks. For example, entrust the “Bukam” or “Shell” the destruction of individual targets. According to a similar principle, the defense of the Khmeimim military base in Syria is being built.

    An oil refinery in Saudi Arabia that was recently attacked by drones did not have such a defense system, Dmitry Kornev emphasized. Otherwise, the blow could be repelled, he is sure.

    Full Article
    https://iz.ru/927353/aleksei-ramm-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/prometei-prosiat-ognia-sistemy-s-500-ispytali-v-sirii




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    Defense Ministry denied information about the tests of the S-500 in Syria

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6953672


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    Post  franco on Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:19 am

    I believe he is questioning the credibility of the MoD statement... not you Smile
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:43 pm

    I'd question the value of testing the S-500 in a place like Syria with no threats to justify it.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:51 pm

    flamming_python wrote:I'd question the value of testing the S-500 in a place like Syria with no threats to justify it.
    They said they needed 'elements' (probably radar assets) to test against low-observable threats. F-22 Raptors flying over the territory controlled by SDF, and F-35's flying in Israeli airspace...using real life samples will always be better than using test targets mimicking such threats. The information collected in the data banks will be stored and spread to other assets.
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    Post  Mindstorm on Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:24 pm


    dino00 wrote:Don't know what's your problem with me.
    You saw that the MOD has denied, why don't you posted it here instead of that.


    I'm sorry if, from mine post, could appear that i have some problem with you, obviously it is not so Wink

    Instead i want always to stress that we should avoid to repost sensationalist articles based on the usaul "unamed military officers" (the mountain of idiocies coming from Indian press, about domestic military systems come to mind).


    In this instance some journalists, with scarce professionalism, have transformed some unspecified......but unwise..... info about the testing in Syria of some subsystem of a in-development air defense system with the testing of C-500 SAM (an authenticate non-sense).
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    Post  medo on Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:27 pm

    flamming_python wrote:I'd question the value of testing the S-500 in a place like Syria with no threats to justify it.

    For sure they didn't send whole system. Most probably only search radar to increase its data bank with some important radar fingerprints like those from F-22 and F-35, drones,...
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:40 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Don't know what's your problem with me.
    You saw that the MOD has denied, why don't you posted it here instead of that.


    I'm sorry if, from mine post, could appear that i have some problem with you, obviously it is not so  Wink

    Instead i want always to stress that we should avoid to repost sensationalist articles based on the usaul "unamed military officers" (the mountain of idiocies coming from Indian press, about domestic military systems come to mind).

     
    In this instance some journalists, with scarce professionalism, have transformed some unspecified......but unwise..... info about the testing in Syria of some subsystem of a in-development air defense system with the testing of C-500 SAM (an authenticate non-sense).  

    Don't need to apologise, I take back and apologise for the jerk Embarassed  part I will delete that. I will send you a message if it's not a problem...

    I understand the sensationalist part but we're talking about Izvetzia, and especially Aleksey Ram, which has a great record in recent years and from what I remember MoD never denied their articles, and in this article they talk about MoD sources like they usually do.

    From the last part if I understand correctly you're talking about another air defense system that you have hinted sometimes...nice... I know it's pointless ask more about this, we will wait for Putin, nobody needs to give me the Kremlin site. Very Happy
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:58 pm

    dino00 wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Don't know what's your problem with me.
    You saw that the MOD has denied, why don't you posted it here instead of that.


    I'm sorry if, from mine post, could appear that i have some problem with you, obviously it is not so  Wink

    Instead i want always to stress that we should avoid to repost sensationalist articles based on the usaul "unamed military officers" (the mountain of idiocies coming from Indian press, about domestic military systems come to mind).

     
    In this instance some journalists, with scarce professionalism, have transformed some unspecified......but unwise..... info about the testing in Syria of some subsystem of a in-development air defense system with the testing of C-500 SAM (an authenticate non-sense).  

    Don't need to apologise, I take back and apologise for the jerk Embarassed  part I will delete that. I will send you a message if it's not a problem...

    I understand the sensationalist part but we're talking about Izvetzia, and especially Aleksey Ram, which has a great record in recent years and from what I remember MoD never denied their articles, and in this article they talk about MoD sources like they usually do.

    From the last part if I understand correctly you're talking about another air defense system that you have hinted sometimes...nice... I know it's pointless ask more about this, we will wait for Putin, nobody needs to give me the Kremlin site. Very Happy

    From my understanding radar (and other) asset synergy between different SAMs is one of the core pillars of IAD structure (command posts act as the foundation). A radar asset designed for S-500 would still maintain high-capability even intermixed in S-400 batteries. I don't see why not.

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