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    Post  Isos on Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:06 pm

    Interesting part is in the 2nd pic. The price for s-300Pmu 1 is around 50 million $ and around 70 million for PMU 2 while naval Fort is 200 million $ for two sets (two ship) so 100 million. That's the price of a nato f-16 but can destroy many f-16. 

    Countries buying s-400 should definitly get some s-300 which costs 4 times less but still very powerful and make a real air defence force. 

    But it seem they don't produce s-300 anymore. Only the VM version.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:40 pm

    After the production of the S-350 is in full swing Russia should sell some second-hand S-300 systems. Even cheaper for the customer. Cool
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    Post  Isos on Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:50 pm

    That's what they are doing with syrian S-300 which are russian ones. S-400 is clearly too much expensive. They should offer packages like buy 1 S-400 and get 30% off on two second hand S-300. 

    And PMU 2 uses the same missiles as S-400.

    What I can't understand is why soviet didn't made a light destroyer or big frigate with S-300FM.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:07 pm

    Was planned for the 90´s. Then Gorbi/Jelzin happened.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:57 am

    Countries buying s-400 should definitly get some s-300 which costs 4 times less but still very powerful and make a real air defence force.

    As you later point out some of the big S-400 missiles are just evolved new production S-300s, so the missiles wont be so expensive.

    The first S-300s entered service in the late 1970s and onwards, so many of them will have been used up in tests and training and also as targets, but the S-350 is supposed to replace the old S-300s while at the same time massively increasing the number of ready to fire missiles and the performance of those missiles.

    Most countries don't really need S-400s, what they actually need is a proper modern IADS that they can integrate their older and existing current systems in to make them even more effective.

    It is a bit like the difference between a mob of people and a trained and well equipped army...
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    Post  Arrow on Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:12 pm

    Turkey receives the S-400. NATO will know Russian S-400 systems very well, which are the basis of their anti-aircraft defense. Russia is acting irrationally.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:28 pm

    Arrow wrote:Turkey receives the S-400. NATO will know Russian S-400 systems very well, which are the basis of their anti-aircraft defense. Russia is acting irrationally.

    NATO struggled against Slovakian S-300's (which they had in their possession for a decade) in exercises in unrealistically favorable conditions. There's a reason why they're going to sanction Turkey for buying it, it has something to do with NATO's IFF system.
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    Post  Arrow on Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:30 pm

    Slovakian S-300 is old system. S 400 is most modern.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:34 pm

    Arrow wrote:Slovakian S-300 is old system. S 400 is most modern.

    Which is exactly the point! They had a decade to study S-300's, and they performed miserably against an older system that didn't have digital electronics, in unrealistically favorable conditions.
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    Post  hoom on Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:05 pm

    I still say its a terrible idea to provide S-400 to a Nato country.
    Until & unless Turkey leaves Nato they can't be trusted to keep any secrets of that system.
    Even then I wouldn't trust them until at least several years after they made a big purge of any Nato-friendly officers.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:09 pm

    It is a terrible idea yes, Even if Ero doesn't plan to give away any details the guy who replaces him may.

    Not to mention Ero cannot keep everyone from handing details out.

    This has always been a weakness of Putin to try and use weapons to get good relations.

    If relations come at the cost of your weaponry more then likely being studied in a way you wouldn't like or want by someone you don't like Say like the US.

    Then better off without those relations, sure these are exports versions but even export versions will provide very good know-how into the system.

    But hey the deal is done, imo Putin screwed the Pooch here.
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:20 pm

    What secrets? The stage of Russian long range air defense systems in the late 90's? This is not the S-400 the Russian mod have, 48N6E3 is not the same as the 48N6MD, etc...
    Some Russian official said they would even sell to the USA if they wanted.

    I hate Erdogant but today was a historic victory for Russian diplomacy, technology and military.
    That money will be well used by Almaz Antey.

    Even if they gave right now the S-400 export secrets, how many years will the Americans need to have an Patriot-400E?
    Russia in 2020 will have S-500.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:47 pm

    hoom wrote:I still say its a terrible idea to provide S-400 to a Nato country.
    Until & unless Turkey leaves Nato they can't be trusted to keep any secrets of that system.
    Even then I wouldn't trust them until at least several years after they made a big purge of any Nato-friendly officers.

    It's amazing how people still think like this....its already been discussed a million times before Domestic =/= Export. If it was such an easy opportunity like your suggesting they wouldn't be sanctioning every country trying to buy S-400s. If the secrets was so easily accessible they would've never struggled against Slovakian S-300's they had access to for decades. Almaz Antey could just as easily introduce a new series of command posts and completely unravel the so called 'secrets' they've obtained.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:59 pm

    dino00 wrote:What secrets? The stage of Russian long range air defense systems in the late 90's? This is not the S-400 the Russian mod have, 48N6E3 is not the same as the 48N6MD, etc...
    Some Russian official said they would even sell to the USA if they wanted.

    I hate Erdogant but today was a historic victory for Russian diplomacy, technology and military.
    That money will be well used by Almaz Antey.

    Even if they gave right now the S-400 export secrets, how many years will the Americans need to have an Patriot-400E?
    Russia in 2020 will have S-500.

    Funny you mention this, Yeltsin sold parts of S-300V to the US, and it resulted in the Pac-3, a system with digital electronics (from the mid-2000s) that has inferior overall characteristics to the non digital S-300pmu (the export version of the ancient S-300ps).
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:40 pm

    The goal is to make money with weapons they produce. Nato won't attack any russian S-400 for its entire lifetime. So they don't really care about the secrets of the export version.

    On the other side Turkey is more likely to be attacked by nato. They have 0 reason to give details of a system that is supposed to protect Ankara and that was never supposed to be integrated into nato network.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:42 pm

    Best part is that all western media is now saying that with the radars of the S-400 system Russia could spy on the murican stealth planes. For 30 years the murcians told everybody that there fantastic stealth planes are invisible for radars and now that! Very Happy
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:09 pm

    Isos wrote:The goal is to make money with weapons they produce. Nato won't attack any russian S-400 for its entire lifetime. So they don't really care about the secrets of the export version.

    On the other side Turkey is more likely to be attacked by nato. They have 0 reason to give details of a system that is supposed to protect Ankara and that was never supposed to be integrated into nato network.

    They're more likely to wage covert war against Turkey....like they've been doing all this time with the PKK.
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    Post  andalusia on Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:52 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:It is a terrible idea yes, Even if Ero doesn't plan to give away any details the guy who replaces him may.

    Not to mention Ero cannot keep everyone from handing details out.

    This has always been a weakness of Putin to try and use weapons to get good relations.

    If relations come at the cost of your weaponry more then likely being studied in a way you wouldn't like or want by someone you don't like Say like the US.

    Then better off without those relations, sure these are exports versions but even export versions will provide very good know-how into the system.

    But hey the deal is done, imo Putin screwed the Pooch here.

    I agree strongly, Turkey is still a NATO country and an enemy of Russia. You never sell excellent weapons to an enemy even an export model.

    I read somewhere that Vann7 said that Brazil and Russia were going to have a joint collaboration with a Brazilian aero company and Sukhoi to build the SU 57. With this new right wing reactionary president in power who professes to be a fan of Trump and America; he could have sold the secrets to the Pentagon and Russian air force would be compromised.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:32 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1149733696305598464

    Good thread to understabd the s-400 for Turkey.



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    S-400s, a story:

    Everything started when Turkey downed a Russian jet, Su-24 in Nov 2015 for violating its airspace. Russians were repeatedly bombarding Turkman-led rebel groups by using Turkish airspace. Ankara issued several warnings. Then downed a jet.

    What was US reaction?

    US officials, on the record,  initially supported Turkey’s arguments. But had different talking points while briefing reporters on background.

    US defense officials undermined Turkey’s claim and said Russian jet was in Syrian airspace when it was hit. So much for NATO solidarity

    What else US thought of Turkey’s downing the Russian jet?

    They thought it was an overreaction to “a minor violation of its airspace”

    What about NATO?

    Oh, they were generous. They sent an air defence package against Russian incursions following the jet incident, including AWACS.

    But NATO diplomats WORRIED Ankara was too aggressive to defend its airspace against the repeated violations

    Next, Germany/Luxembourg declared that Turkey cannot count on NATO support if there is a conflict with Russia in Syria.

    “NATO cannot allow itself to be pulled into a military escalation with Russia as a result of tensions between the two”

    Briefly: You cannot invoke article 4


    Btw, US and Germany earlier in October 2015, a month before the downing of the jet, pulled their missile defense systems from Turkey.

    Not only US and NATO didn’t want to support Turkey against Russia, they also didn’t want to keep their missile defense systems in the country



    Not finished. But too long to post all the thread, you can see the link for the whole story.
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    Post  Vann7 on Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:04 pm

    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1149733696305598464

    Good thread to understabd the s-400 for Turkey.



    “NATO cannot allow itself to be pulled into a military escalation with Russia as a result of tensions between the two”

    Briefly: You cannot invoke article 4


    Btw, US and Germany earlier in October 2015, a month before the downing of the jet, pulled their missile defense systems from Turkey.

    Not only US and NATO didn’t want to support Turkey against Russia, they also didn’t want to keep their missile defense systems in the country



    This is very predictable from NATO...
    i have been saying for a long time. .that NATO is not really a real alliance..
    that will help US in a war with Russia.. is only an alliance on paper.. in many cases..
    and the only way NATO will go to a war with Russia is that Russia start the fight and that nuclear weapons are not used.. If if nukes are used. all europe will retreat from the conflict
    and leave Americans alone..

    This is why neither US or NATO helped Georgia when they were invaded by Russia
    and the same reason why NATO will not allow Georgia to join NATO as a full member..
    This is also the same reason why Ukraine will NEVER EVER will become a full NATO member.. and i will quote NATO itself ,why..  from above..


    “NATO cannot allow itself to be pulled into a military escalation with Russia as a result of tensions between the two”

    So NATO is in reality a US empire defend club.. an alliance for deterrence.. and for keeping tensions high between  Russia and Europe..  US major use of NATO is to have bases close to Russia borders and to use Europe as a human shield against Russia.. and the only ways Germany or France or even UK will go in a war with Russia.. is that is Russia the one who start the war against them...but will be a domestic conflict and not a nuclear one.. once nukes used.. they all will retreat.. And so NATO saw a very high potential , of Russia declaring war on Turkey and without blinking an Eye.. they quickly distanced from it..
    they knew very well ,that it will get very ugly with risk of tactical nuclear weapons used and even their military base destroyed.. a very angry Russia is the last thing US will want to face.. and so not surprisingly they ran away from Turkey vs Russia conflict.. as soon a dangerous conflict shows.. they even side with Russia version , to distance even more from the conflict as much as possible ,to minimize the possibility of a war between US and Russia.. So the more dangerous tensions become.. the more friendly US will be with Russia..  This is why is a huge mistake for Putin the Moron to be polite with US.. to smile...
    at them.. it will encourage them to hit Russia more.. and slap Russia in the face.. This is why Putin receive pretty puppies and cute dogs.. this is the image Putin project in the world ,a softy weak president..   So Ukraine will never ever be a NATO member and any military help ,they get will be only weapons.. and depending on how weak is their perception of Putin , will be the lethality of the weapons Ukraine will receive.. Notice how when IRAN was tough on Americans.. and shut down their drone and threatened to bomb US bases.. they backed down and did nothing to hit back at IRAN.. Putin can learn something from IRAN
    zero tolerance policies to US aggression.

    Now putin is doing another big mistake.. trusting in Turkey.. they will sell those S-400 blue prints to NATO as soon they get them.. If he does that ,and teach turkey how to make S-400 , you will see US and ISrael getting all the information and secrets in not time.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:54 pm

    The shitty Patriots failed to protect the Saudi's from ballistic missiles again! No wonder they thought of buying the S-400:

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:57 pm

    From back in June but a pretty good analysis of the many ways that the S-400 will impact on the US.

    Generally, when discussing air-defense systems here, we are referring to Russian devices that have become famous in recent years, in particular the S-300 (and its variants) and the S-400. Their deployment in Syria has slowed down the ability of such advanced air forces as those of the United States and Israel to target the country, increasing as it does the embarrassing possibility of having their fourth- or fifth-generation fighters shot down.

    Air-defense systems capable of bringing down fifth-generation aircraft would have a devastating effect on the marketability and sales of US military hardware, while simultaneously boosting the desirability and sales of Russian military hardware. As I have often pointed out in other analyses, Hollywood’s role in marketing to enemies and allies alike the belief that US military hardware is unbeatable (with allies being obliged to buy said hardware) is central to Washington’s strategies for war and power projection.

    As clashes between countries in such global hot spots as the Middle East increase and intensify, Hollywood’s propaganda will increasingly struggle to convince the rest of the world of the continued efficacy and superiority of US weapons systems in the face of their unfolding shortcomings.

    The US finds itself faced with a situation it has not found itself in over the last 50 years, namely, an environment where it does not expect to automatically enjoy air superiority. Whatever semblance of an air defense that may have hitherto been able to pose any conceivable threat to Uncle Sam’s war machine was rudely dismissed by a wave of cruise missiles. To give two prime examples that occurred in Syria in 2018, latest-generation missiles were intercepted and shot down by decades-old Russian and Syrian systems. While the S-400 system has never been employed in Syria, it is noteworthy that the Serbian S-125 systems succeeded in identifying and shooting down an American F-117 stealth aircraft during the war in the Balkans.

    There is a more secret aspect of the S-400 that is little disclosed, either within Russia itself or without. It concerns the S-400’s ability to collect data through its radar systems. It is worth noting Department of Defense spokesman Eric Pahon’s alarm over Turkey’s planned purchase of the S-400: “We have been clear that purchasing the S-400 would create an unacceptable risk because its radar system could provide the Russian military sensitive information on the F-35. Those concerns cannot be mitigated. The S-400 is a system built in Russia to try to shoot down aircraft like the F-35, and it is inconceivable to imagine.

    Certainly, in the event of an armed conflict, the S-400’s ability to shoot down fifth-generation aircraft is a huge concern for the United States and her allies who have invested so heavily in such aircraft. Similarly, a NATO country preferring Russian to American systems is cause for alarm. This is leaving aside the fact that the S-400 is spreading around the world, from China to Belarus, with dozens of countries waiting in line for the ability to seal their skies from the benevolent bombs of freedom. It is an excellent stick with which to keep a prowling Washington at bay.

    But these concerns are nothing when compared to the most serious threat that the S-400 poses to the US arms industry, namely, their ability to collect data on US stealth systems.

    Theoretically, the last advantage that the US maintains over her opponents is in stealth technology. The effectiveness of stealth has been debated for a long time, given that their costs may actually outweigh their purported benefits. But, reading between the lines, what emerges from US concerns over the S-400 suggests that Moscow is already capable of detecting US stealth systems by combining the radars of the S-400 with those of air-based assets, as has been the case in Syria (despite Washington’s denials).

    The ability of the S-400 to collect data on both the F-35 and F-22 – the crown jewels of the US military-industrial complex – is a cause for sleepless nights for US military planners. What in particular causes them nightmares is that, for the S-400 to function in Turkey, it will have to be integrated into Turkey’s current “identification friend or foe” (IFF) systems, which in turn are part of NATO’s military tactical data-link network, known as Link 16.

    This system will need to be installed on the S-400 in order to integrate it into Turkey’s defensive network, which could potentially pass information strictly reserved for the Russians that would increase the S-400’s ability to function properly in a system not designed to host such a weapon system.

    The final risk is that if Turkey were to fly its F-35s near the S-400, the Link 16 system would reveal a lot of real-time information about the US stealth system. Over time, Moscow would be able to recreate the stealth profile of the F-35 and F-22, thereby making pointless Washington’s plans to spend 1.16 trillion dollars to produce 3,000 F-35s.

    What must be remembered in our technological age is that once the F-35’s radar waveform has been identified, it will be possible to practice the military deception of recreating fictitious signals of the F-35 so as to mask one’s own aircraft with this shape and prevent the enemy’s IFF systems from being able to distinguish between friend or foe.

    Of particular note is the active cooperation between China and Russia in air-defense systems. The S-400 in particular has already been operational in China for several years now, and it should be assumed that there would be active information sharing going on between Moscow and Beijing regarding stealth technology.

    It turns out that the S-400 is a weapon system with multiple purposes that is even more lethal than previously imagined. It would therefore not be surprising that, were S-400s to be found in Cuba and Venezuela, Washington’s bellicose rhetoric against these two countries would come to an abrupt halt.

    But what US military planners fear more than the S-400 embarrassing their much-vaunted F35 and F22 is the doubts they could raise about the efficacy of these stealth aircraft in the minds of allies and potential buyers. This lack of confidence would deal a mortal blow to the US arms industry, a threat far more real and devastating for them than a risk of conflict with Moscow or Beijing.


    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/06/15/why-s400-is-more-formidable-threat-us-arms-industry-than-you-think/
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:59 pm

    Coverage of the S-400 systems in Crimea and Syria

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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:29 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Coverage of the S-400 systems in Crimea and Syria

    They forgot the Iskanders in Armenia What a Face
    The Iskanders and Bastions in Syria

    And the S-400 range looks rather overestimated to state it bluntly.
    Range of the Iskander is larger in reality.
    The centrer of the upper Kalibr circle seems to be somewhere right up the coast of Romania.
    And at the Kalibr range you'll likely encounter projection issues when you impose such large range circles onto standard maps of Europe.

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    Post  Hole on Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:58 pm

    Better maps.

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