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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 01, 2019 5:28 am

    So s-500 is a S-300VM replacement. First role is ABM with anti air capabilities.

    No, not at all.

    The S-300V family is the Russian Army variant of the S-300 family that was optimised to meet the needs of the Russian Army. Just as the S-300P was for the Russian Air Force, and the S-300F was for the Navy... the P and F families were not that different though the Navy models were not developed as far as the Air Force models... there was only Rif for the Navy, which has performance levels comparable to S-300PMU.

    The replacement for the S-300VM so far are the upgrades of S-300V4.

    The S-500 is more like a mobile version of the Moscow ABM system with shorter range but smaller and fully mobile sensors and missiles and equipment.

    They wont use the S-500 instead of the S-400 in the Air Force or instead of the S-300V4 in the Army, or the S-400 and S-350 family in the navy... the S-500 will be used together with all of those systems to expand performance and capabilities.

    Think if it as THAAD and the existing systems being Patriot... there is overlap in performance, but if they detect an aircraft 300km away that they need to shoot down they will use the 400km range S-400 missiles rather than the 600km S-500 missiles to do so... and if they detect incoming cruise missiles 20km from the base then they will likely use a combination of Pantsir missiles and S-350 50km range missiles for that job...

    It is a air/missile/space defence system for national defence = it complements S-400.

    It is the new long range missile that can shoot down ICBM and SLBM warheads... either mid flight on their way to their target, or in the target area as they come down to detonate.

    They wont be moving around with small Army units... they will primarily be located near major cities, major fixed military assets like major airfields and of course OTH radar sites, and major ports, as well as on capital ships... destroyer and cruiser and carrier sized vessels most likely. A 20K ton nuke powered destroyer packing the punch they will be able to load on them they might not even bother with Cruisers or arsenal ships.
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    Post  dino00 on Thu May 02, 2019 11:24 pm

    Instead of the S-400: which air defense systems will be purchased by the Russian military

    The S-400 air defense system will soon be replaced in the production of the S-350 and S-500


    Ilya Kramnik

    April 2019 was rich in news about Russian air defense systems. In the middle of the month, there were reports about the launch of the Vityaz S-350 anti-aircraft missile system into the series, at the end - about the completion of tests of the new Prometheus S-500 long-range air defense system. "Izvestia" sorted out the possibilities of new products.

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    The use of 9M100 missile launchers on a part will make it possible to further increase the density of air defense already on the last lines of defense - due to the small dimensions of this missile already in comparison with the already quite compact 9M96, they can be loaded into four launcher launchers of four transport and launch containers instead of one for 9M96. This makes it possible to place up to 48 9M100 missiles on the Vityaz launcher.

    https://iz.ru/874372/ilia-kramnik/vmesto-s-400-kakie-sistemy-pvo-budut-zakupat-rossiiskie-voennye

    Nothing new, but a good summary of the perspectives of the 3 air defense systems.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 03, 2019 1:20 am

    Well it confirms that the 9M100 can be loaded four to a 9M96 tube... which is interesting because the 9M96 are the small S-350 missiles that can be loaded as four missiles to an S-400 missile tube.

    For the purposes of the naval system that means a tube could carry a 400km range S-400 missile, or four 150km or 50km 9M96 missiles or 16 9M100 missiles.

    9M100 missiles are lock on after launch IIR guided missiles so would be ideal as a CIWS missile.

    Of course they might have ARH models of the missile too... they have shown small calibre ARH missile radar seekers without revealing what they were for... there was speculation they would be used for TOR or OSA missiles as upgrades, but this has not been shown publicly.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri May 03, 2019 10:54 am

    GarryB wrote:Well it confirms that the 9M100 can be loaded four to a 9M96 tube... which is interesting because the 9M96 are the small S-350 missiles that can be loaded as four missiles to an S-400 missile tube.

    For the purposes of the naval system that means a tube could carry a 400km range S-400 missile, or four 150km or 50km 9M96 missiles or 16 9M100 missiles.
    that would be promising. However maybe a redut vls cell is smaller than a S400 tube, so it is capable of carrying four 9M100 missiles but not four 9M96.

    GarryB wrote:9M100 missiles are lock on after launch IIR guided missiles so would be ideal as a CIWS missile.
    Sort of overlapping Pantsir and Tor, so?
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 04, 2019 3:00 am

    However maybe a redut vls cell is smaller than a S400 tube, so it is capable of carrying four 9M100 missiles but not four 9M96.

    They have said that they have four missiles for Redut that include the two 9M96 missiles and the 9M100 missiles but also a 400km range missile.

    The revealed videos of Redut show the large hatch cover and a tiny tube in the centre of the cell with a 9M96 missile launching that looks like you could fit four there if they wanted to.

    The real question is about the UKSK-M... it is supposed to be more universal as currently the UKSK launcher only carries cruise and ballistic missiles for anti ship, land attack and anti sub use. Adding SAMs would make it more versatile and more useful but the issue is how many missiles can you stack...

    Sort of overlapping Pantsir and Tor, so?

    Well first of all, the 9M100 is a lock on after launch IIR or ARH missile so it will be more expensive, but it will also be vertical launched in any direction and totally fire and forget. It would be rather more of a compliment to Pantsir and TOR as they are very cheap command guided missiles.

    If you could stack the missiles then you could even look at having one tube with four 50km range 9M96s on top and 16 9M100s underneath... in fact you could probably fit a layer of 16 missiles under both types of 9M96 if the tubes are designed for normal length S-300s and full sized S-400s.
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    Post  Slevin on Sat May 04, 2019 10:20 am

    India and Russia signed defence deals worth over $7 billion at the bilateral summit, but financial sanctions by the US have cast a shadow as they limit New Delhis capacity to transfer funds to Moscow. The two sides are expected to hold talks on setting up a new payment mechanism independent of the US controlled dollar trade. Sources told that the $5.2-billion deal for five regiments of S-400 air-defence shield received top-level clearances signed at the Modi-Putin summit. The system, which would be delivered by 2020.



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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 04, 2019 1:48 pm

    They should just buy them using Rubles or Euros... or gold.

    By using US dollars you are basically handing America a cut of every deal, and are basically revealing to them the prices paid in each deal... screw that.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat May 04, 2019 4:19 pm

    Russia already has a working payment system. They already operate with other countries on Ruble to domestic currency transactions. It really only is India that is the pain in the ass.

    India is now going to Washington to ask if they can continue to buy Iranian oil. They have to ask US for gods sakes.

    India isn't a sovereign nation.
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    Post  dino00 on Mon May 20, 2019 11:13 pm

    Synchronous descent: C-400 shoot out with the "Shell-S"

    Air defense systems will be linked by a single automated control system


    Alexey Kozachenko Aleksey Ramm Roman Kretzul

    From this year, the Ministry of Defense will significantly complicate the exams for anti-aircraft missile units of the VKS - this is due to the process of strengthening the air defense regiments S-300 and S-400 with the Pantsir-S short-range complexes. If earlier during the exercises, each system fired at its targets, now they will act together to increase efficiency. For synchronization, control systems and target distribution systems based on the so-called network-centric principle will be used.

    As told to Izvestia in the Ministry of Defense, last year in the 185th VKS training center at the Ashuluk training ground in the Astrakhan region experimental tactical exercises were conducted. The task for the Triumph and Pantsir-S complexes, combined into a single system, was to repel two massed rocket attacks: thus, the possibility of combining the potentials of systems of different class and range was tested.

    The command posts of the C-400 and Pantsir-S systems were connected by an automated control system built precisely according to the network-centric principle. In the course of the shooting, the most complex situation was created: in the raid on the positions of the air defense units simultaneously involved targets imitating hypersonic and supersonic objects, airplanes, helicopters, UAVs and cruise missiles. Calculations of different complexes worked out the interaction in the fight against different goals, and the chiefs - the management of different forces and means.

    The automated system made the distribution of targets between the complexes. Calculations of the S-400 destroyed targets that mimic high-speed ballistic missiles. "Pantsir-S" simultaneously hit low-altitude and small-sized targets - cruise missiles and attack drones.

    The exercises were recognized as successful and these exercises were included in the program of final checks of air defense units and formations, which anti-aircraft gunners pass twice a year - at the end of the winter and summer periods of training.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun May 26, 2019 8:45 pm

    The militarization of Space is now Official...

    Look at this new message of US military to Russia..



    US military is now using Elon Musk company to flood near earth space orbits with massive swarm of micro satellites and then send them to fly above Russia military zones like the URALs..  What is interesting is that the micros satellites shows capabilities of self propulsion.. have some form of Artificial intelligence and have capability
    to move in any way ,required.. they could be armed with explosives.. or biological /chemical weapons and pose a significant threat to Russia national security and its space program.. because they plan to build many thousands
    of this Intelligent micro satellites.. and how curious ,that from all the places they could be sent , they have chosen
    to fly above Russia most important military bases.. above the URALs..  

    This have nothing to do weather research or providing internet or space exploration.. SpaceX is officially
    now part of US military secret operations and now they are openly threatening Russia Nation and Space security.
    This follows the principle of saturation war attacks.. that NATO for a long time have been exploring.. this is Pentagon testing how to improve their capabilities to harm Russia military bases , or its own space program..

    S-400 or S-500 are totally near obsolete weapons to counter this threat..  Because if they fly very dispersed
    , because if they can fly in a straight line ,they also can do it in any other formation.. and also means they could have artificial internal guidance .

    In my opinion this was a clear provocation of hostile aggression on Russia..
    and sending a message that Americans can harm Russia abusing of international treaties about
    what is legal or not in Space.. This is clear militarization of space.. now is only a few dozens.. "micro satellites"
    that behave more like space military micro drones...  but next year or next 5 years.. the same "experiment"
    could be done with 50,000 micro drones armed with explosive of jammers or biological/chemical warfare
    they can throw in Russia.. and they also can be used to Jam Russian air defenses ,for a failed interception or
    to do exactly what the Pentagon have said ,they want.. to DENY Space to Russia and China..

    Russia is doing things wrong focusing so much in traditional air defenses interceptions.. S-400 and S-500s will not help in any way shape or form Russia against an major swarm attack of thousands and thousands micro space drones..  that could have inside jamming equipment , or explosives or biological/chemical nano weapons..

    To counter this.. Russia will need to significantly increase their militarization of space.. and significantly
    invest in their energy weapons ,their Lasers cannons and Electronic attacks. It can't allow Nations who are already
    at war with Russia .. a proxy war.. to freely fly thousands of micro space drones over their military bases..


    also if this problems continue , Russia needs to drop any treaty with US over Space security and behavior and
    declare the Space above Russia , part of Russia national security and that Russia will reserve the right to damage/shutdown any foreign satellite that fly over its Nation territory..

    I told this many times.. and the amateurs who calls themselves "Experts"  in this forums don't get it.. Who ever dominates Space.. leads in space.. will dominate anything that is under it.. Who becomes the leader in space
    can dictate /deny others the use of it.. So this in my opinion , is day 1... of a one side Race for space militarization.. and Putin over spending in his olympics and victory parades ,will not help Russia in any way to defend against this..  


    What options Russia can to do...

    1)Russia will need ,New laws ,Rules of engagement ,that will not allow US or any other hostile country to fly
    micro satellites over its territory.. and  big warning that will reserve the right to shot them down.. ..

    2)Russia needs to 10x fold to 20x fold increase in investment in space ,for civilian business and military purposes.. create its own space station and abandon the ISS.. force US to spend a fortune building another space station ..

    3)Russia needs space bombers.. that can remain for months in space ,covering its entire space region above Russia territory ,that can launch hypersonic weapons or that are armed with energy weapons , to clear burn Space debris or secret mines that fly above its territory..and to target NATO space drones. flying above their new declared zones of security in space..  and if relations and hostilities continue ,even target NATO spy satellites ,that can look inside Russia..
    4)RUssia will need to build a large fleet of large cargo like military planes , armed with a nuclear engine and a long range laser gun and long range Energy weapons ,that can burn/jam/disable drones and satellites in space..
    5)Russia needs to do twice a week patrols as American do on Russia territory ... near US territory ..
    but using High Altitude stealth Bombers that can fire hypersonic missiles armed with nukes.. This bombers needs to be at least supersonic in speed.. ideally a stealth version of the Mig-31 with much bigger cargo size capabilities .
    This is to keep the guns aimed at Russia potential enemies.. This is very powerful deterrence.. To aim a gun at someone face.. when just 1 second is all that will make the difference between life or death...  So Russia can aim their hypersonic missiles , flying close to washington DC.. in the eastern Coast.. but without invading its airspace..
    if The plane fly too high.. none of the American fighters jets will be in position to lock on the plane ,so called peaceful interception will be impossible.. and so this allow Russia to hit and run..with impunity.. something they can't do ..if they have an F-22 in their tail.. which mas altitude is 15k meters..  Russia needs an airforce that can fly at least at 30k altitude ,to keep far their adversaries airforces.. and give them a big chance to escape if fire
    a missile with their much faster planes..
    6)Finally Russia can do exactly the same. .Fly hundreds of micro space drones in a straight line above US military base zones.. to send them a message that Russia can do it too.. and so this will discourage them to follow with this practices.. if Russia can also do it. .they will yell that Russian drones represent a national security issue..and so
    they will be forced to STOP flying over Russia with micro drones.
    7)Also the very least Russia can do is  build an army of Micro Satellites that will disrupt/jam/damage/fry/disable those who seek to enter over Russia geographical territory..


    For me is 100% clear ,that US future wars ,will be 99% focused on relative low cost swarm of hundred of thousands micro drones.. with artificial intelligence..  not only the mesosphere orbit,
    or the air space zone.. but also under water .  and so this Missiles air defenses systems ..like S-400 and S-500
    will become completely Obsolete to deal with that problem.. only Energy weapon ,to burn and fry electronics is what can help.. This is to follow the principle of overwhelming the adversary with Saturation attacks.. that will always work , if the missiles or micro drones can fly over the right place..

    here is the full report..

    https://sputniknews.com/viral/201905261075359285-elon-musk-sa

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    Post  GarryB on Mon May 27, 2019 5:39 am

    I always laugh when western experts talk about using small cheap intelligent swarm methods to deal with Russia or China... I means small and intelligent I can believe, but the US can't make cheap things... they just don't know how.

    Also small and able to communicate means vulnerable...
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    Post  Singular_Transform on Mon May 27, 2019 11:27 am

    Small satellite means short lifespan in orbit.

    Decay speed inverse proportional to the mass/cross section.
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue May 28, 2019 3:31 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    ZoA wrote:Same goes of US military, UK military. In fact US is still maintaining it lost only 5 to 6k dead during entire Iraq invasion and occupation, and majority of people still believe such obvious and ridiculous lies.

    So what's the real number then? unshaven

    depends on who you go by. Groups like Mother of soldiers or whatever they are called state a lot more. Making convoluted claims makes a mess of the real numbers.

    Even if that number was double or triple the official figures, it'd still mean very little. It's still politically-speaking very low, for a professional military force like the US possesses. Doesn't matter at all.

    US military is definitively hiding their casualties .. i know that as a fact.. of a friend , who was in afganistan
    he worked in a company related with anti mining operations.. and he told me .. his entire team was killed
    in an ambush.. by Talibans and he was not killed only because his place was taken by another ..  so this is dozens of Americans killed in an Ambush in Afganistan.. in non direct combat missions.. that they were in the wrong place
    and the wrong time.. i never heard anything near like that... its totally hidden from US military and media..
    Also i was on a debate on youtube with another guy.. he claimed that  US apache hellicopters have a near perfect record in IRAQ.. "Combat Proven" and that it was rare when any was shot down...by enemy fire.. that usually was accidents..  when the military lose one.. then another guy jump in the debate .. and told that was non sense..
    that during his time in IRAQ.. he saw many shot down by Iraquis.. and that the week before he left.. they took down 2 apaches in enemy fire..in one week.. and you never hear that in the media ..is totally censored..

    Basically the US military will try to hide its casualties in war ,to not demoralize its soldiers.. and not fuel
    the anti war activism in US.. this is why is hidden..  In Syrian conflict.. Almost all nations hides their casualties..
    Ironically the only ones more open to report their casualties are Syria and IRAN..  But US ,Russia and Israel ,they all hide their casualties.. because Israel planes fly outside Syrian airspace/territory.. if a plane is shutdown.. it will not fall in Syria territory .. means they can hide their casualties more easily.. than if the plane fall in adversary territory.  the day that Israel lost a plane and they for first time admit they did... according to Syrianperpective
    who have family in the  Syrian army.. he told that in that particular day.. israel lost 3 planes ,1 hellicopter and 1 drones.. but Israel only admit one loss.. the one that was filmed..and they could not hide.. This is why Israel try to attack at night.. to avoid videos and bad publicity in case their planes get shotdown.. as happens at times ..but they later say it was a "mechanical defect" or a "bird impact" ..

    I fully agree 100% .with what was said before.. there are many incidents , Lots sometimes.. that are totally
    hidden by US and Russia and Israel too.. that is small fights ,that don't get published. One time in Halradio website.. he posted that his contacts with Syrian conflict , informed him that 1 Global hawk drone was shutdown
    by an s-300s of Russia military base.. that his was a major escalation incident.. This was done in the same week...
    that US military shut down a syrian plane ,flying over Aleppo.. bombing alqaeda rebels.. and they did it because they claimed ,that Syrian airforce was bombing their guys.. and so they protected them.. days later,. Hal Radio website report that Russia shoot down a very important Drone of NATO .. and than tensions were very high between US and RUssia.. and many people don't believed the news.. because no media reported about it..
    guess what? 24 hours later.. US military claims ..they lost a Globalhawk in California.. in an accident.. Laughing

    So is this was a "coincidence" ..that a website predicted of the lost of a Global hawk before US military announce it? but later is reported to be an "Accident" in california?

    how about US warships.. "that crashed" with 2 fishing boats in 2 different days. in the same week. near Japan waters? Rolling Eyes Such warships protection is very high..and there is no way ,they will collide with a fishing boat..
    my first though was north korea attacked 2 american warships with torpedos.. without explosives ..to send a message to US navy.. So like other said.. there are many incidents ... that are never reported..and keep in silence. and you only know about them many decades later..

    RT .com.. just some time ago.. also made a report about this.. non Reported incidents.. fights.. that happened between US and Soviet union.. most of those fights were planes encounters.. and that US planes flying very close
    to Soviet borders.. were shut down.. US airforce lost near a dozen of pilots in those personal fights with the soviet union.. and Soviets also lost pilots in those fights too..


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    Post  Vann7 on Tue May 28, 2019 3:56 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:Small satellite means short lifespan in orbit.

    Decay speed inverse proportional to the mass/cross section.

    No doubt that they have short lifespan..

    Still they are dangerous.. even if they only last 24 hours..
    because they now testing with few dozens of drones.. but after that.. they
    will only increase... the numbers more and more.. until you see thousands of micro drones
    in space.. NATO Will not waste so much money for weather research reasons.. to send hundreds of space micro
    satellites above Russia territory for what? They are simply testing their capabilities ,to organize a major attack..
    they could be used to Jam Russian space defenses in case US do a nuclear attack.. or to guide ICBM towards their
    target.. So Russia needs to completely develop for future wars ,bases on hundreds if not thousands of micro satellites drones..

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:33 am

    A smile for a Sunday morning. S-400 PR working overtime.

    Authored by Federico Pieraccini via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

    Generally, when discussing air-defense systems here, we are referring to Russian devices that have become famous in recent years, in particular the S-300 (and its variants) and the S-400. Their deployment in Syria has slowed down the ability of such advanced air forces as those of the United States and Israel to target the country, increasing as it does the embarrassing possibility of having their fourth- or fifth-generation fighters shot down.

    Air-defense systems capable of bringing down fifth-generation aircraft would have a devastating effect on the marketability and sales of US military hardware, while simultaneously boosting the desirability and sales of Russian military hardware. As I have often pointed out in other analyses, Hollywood’s role in marketing to enemies and allies alike the belief that US military hardware is unbeatable (with allies being obliged to buy said hardware) is central to Washington’s strategies for war and power projection.

    As clashes between countries in such global hot spots as the Middle East increase and intensify, Hollywood’s propaganda will increasingly struggle to convince the rest of the world of the continued efficacy and superiority of US weapons systems in the face of their unfolding shortcomings.

    The US finds itself faced with a situation it has not found itself in over the last 50 years, namely, an environment where it does not expect to automatically enjoy air superiority. Whatever semblance of an air defense that may have hitherto been able to pose any conceivable threat to Uncle Sam’s war machine was rudely dismissed by a wave of cruise missiles. To give two prime examples that occurred in Syria in 2018, latest-generation missiles were intercepted and shot down by decades-old Russian and Syrian systems. While the S-400 system has never been employed in Syria, it is noteworthy that the Serbian S-125 systems succeeded in identifying and shooting down an American F-117 stealth aircraft during the war in the Balkans.

    There is a more secret aspect of the S-400 that is little disclosed, either within Russia itself or without. It concerns the S-400’s ability to collect data through its radar systems. It is worth noting Department of Defense spokesman Eric Pahon’s alarm over Turkey’s planned purchase of the S-400:

    “We have been clear that purchasing the S-400 would create an unacceptable risk because its radar system could provide the Russian military sensitive information on the F-35. Those concerns cannot be mitigated. The S-400 is a system built in Russia to try to shoot down aircraft like the F-35, and it is inconceivable to imagine.

    Certainly, in the event of an armed conflict, the S-400’s ability to shoot down fifth-generation aircraft is a huge concern for the United States and her allies who have invested so heavily in such aircraft. Similarly, a NATO country preferring Russian to American systems is cause for alarm. This is leaving aside the fact that the S-400 is spreading around the world, from China to Belarus, with dozens of countries waiting in line for the ability to seal their skies from the benevolent bombs of freedom. It is an excellent stick with which to keep a prowling Washington at bay.

    But these concerns are nothing when compared to the most serious threat that the S-400 poses to the US arms industry, namely, their ability to collect data on US stealth systems.

    Theoretically, the last advantage that the US maintains over her opponents is in stealth technology. The effectiveness of stealth has been debated for a long time, given that their costs may actually outweigh their purported benefits. But, reading between the lines, what emerges from US concerns over the S-400 suggests that Moscow is already capable of detecting US stealth systems by combining the radars of the S-400 with those of air-based assets, as has been the case in Syria (despite Washington’s denials).

    The ability of the S-400 to collect data on both the F-35 and F-22 – the crown jewels of the US military-industrial complex – is a cause for sleepless nights for US military planners. What in particular causes them nightmares is that, for the S-400 to function in Turkey, it will have to be integrated into Turkey’s current “identification friend or foe” (IFF) systems, which in turn are part of NATO’s military tactical data-link network, known as Link 16.

    This system will need to be installed on the S-400 in order to integrate it into Turkey’s defensive network, which could potentially pass information strictly reserved for the Russians that would increase the S-400’s ability to function properly in a system not designed to host such a weapon system.

    The final risk is that if Turkey were to fly its F-35s near the S-400, the Link 16 system would reveal a lot of real-time information about the US stealth system. Over time, Moscow would be able to recreate the stealth profile of the F-35 and F-22, thereby making pointless Washington’s plans to spend 1.16 trillion dollars to produce 3,000 F-35s.

    What must be remembered in our technological age is that once the F-35’s radar waveform has been identified, it will be possible to practice the military deception of recreating fictitious signals of the F-35 so as to mask one’s own aircraft with this shape and prevent the enemy’s IFF systems from being able to distinguish between friend or foe.

    Of particular note is the active cooperation between China and Russia in air-defense systems. The S-400 in particular has already been operational in China for several years now, and it should be assumed that there would be active information sharing going on between Moscow and Beijing regarding stealth technology.

    It turns out that the S-400 is a weapon system with multiple purposes that is even more lethal than previously imagined. It would therefore not be surprising that, were S-400s to be found in Cuba and Venezuela, Washington’s bellicose rhetoric against these two countries would come to an abrupt halt.

    But what US military planners fear more than the S-400 embarrassing their much-vaunted F35 and F22 is the doubts they could raise about the efficacy of these stealth aircraft in the minds of allies and potential buyers. This lack of confidence would deal a mortal blow to the US arms industry, a threat far more real and devastating for them than a risk of conflict with Moscow or Beijing.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-15/why-s-400-more-formidable-threat-us-arms-industry-you-think
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:10 pm

    Even if US get all the technical data about s-400 it will still be a formidable weapon. A simple fighter trying to jamm it will be blown from the sky pretty easily. Ranges are well known as radar horizon is the same for any radar depending on the height so tactics will still be the same and the pantsirs and buks waiting in ambushes 30-40 from s-400 will still be a danger.

    Moreover the advvanced technology used by s-400 has nothing to do with old soviet radars. Couter couter measures will always work and if it is too much compromized, just upgrade the software.

    The most critical part compromized of the Mig-25 that flew in Japan was its IFF codes. The radar was powerfull and missiles good enough to destroy a f-18 in iraq while they knew everything about the plane.

    Knowing that an ak-47 fires bullets won't help you survive those bullets. If you manage to make a bullet proof vest against ak47 bullets then it may not work against other types of bullets and the ak47 can be switch for other rifle while your vests will be useless.

    Making defensive tools specialized in protecting against one type of weapon is costly and doesn't protect from other weapons.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:11 am

    Sergey Druzin: S-500 missiles can work outside the atmosphere

    Sergey Druzin, Deputy General Director for Science and Technology Development, First Deputy General Designer of the Concern, told RIA Novosti observer Alexey Panshin about the history of development and creation of the national air defense system, about the participation of German designers in this work, and also about the advantages of the new Russian C-500 complex.

    https://ria.ru/20190618/1555540651.html
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:40 am

    Manturov: Prometheus C-500 is ready for mass production

    The main characteristics of the newest Prometheus S-500 air defense system were confirmed during the tests. She is ready for mass production. This was stated by the Minister of Industry and Trade of Russia Denis Manturov.

    According to him, the development of the system reached the final stage. At the moment, the system is being worked out in the complex.

    “In the course of testing, the main characteristics were confirmed, and the ZRS was ready for serial production,” the minister told Interfax

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201962598-5uxqq.html
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:02 pm

    The Moscow-based Avangard Machine-Building Factory was awarded a contract on the delivery of 48N6P-01 surface-to-air missiles.

    What is this missile?
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:34 pm

    GarryB wrote:Well it confirms that the 9M100 can be loaded four to a 9M96 tube... which is interesting because the 9M96 are the small S-350 missiles that can be loaded as four missiles to an S-400 missile tube.

    For the purposes of the naval system that means a tube could carry a 400km range S-400 missile, or four 150km or 50km 9M96 missiles or 16 9M100 missiles.

    9M100 missiles are lock on after launch IIR guided missiles so would be ideal as a CIWS missile.

    Of course they might have ARH models of the missile too... they have shown small calibre ARH missile radar seekers without revealing what they were for... there was speculation they would be used for TOR or OSA missiles as upgrades, but this has not been shown publicly.

    Its like Russians have applied Babushka principle to a missile packaging Smile
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    Post  dino00 on Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:01 pm

    Production of anti-aircraft missile systems S-500 begins in Russia

    The newest complexes will go into service after the completion of tests, said head of the Rostec state corporation, Sergey Chemezov.


    MOSCOW, June 30th. / Tass /. Production of anti-aircraft missile systems S-500 begins in Russia, in the near future they will go into service, said the head of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergey Chemezov in the program "Characters with Nailaia Asker-Zade" on the Russia-1 channel .

    “At the same time, a new modern weapon is being created. And if, let's say, we already have the opportunity to sell the C-400, we are already starting to produce the C-500. Well, this is a more modern complex. it is not in service with weapons. Well, I think it will appear in the near future, "said Chemezov.

    Answering the question about when the newest complexes will go into service, Chemezov said: "When they finish the tests."

    Chemezov also noted that the range of the C-500 will be higher than that of the C-400.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6613501
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:23 am

    dino00 wrote:Production of anti-aircraft missile systems S-500 begins in Russia

    The newest complexes will go into service after the completion of tests, said head of the Rostec state corporation, Sergey Chemezov.


    MOSCOW, June 30th. / Tass /. Production of anti-aircraft missile systems S-500 begins in Russia, in the near future they will go into service, said the head of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergey Chemezov in the program "Characters with Nailaia Asker-Zade" on the Russia-1 channel .

    “At the same time, a new modern weapon is being created. And if, let's say, we already have the opportunity to sell the C-400, we are already starting to produce the C-500. Well, this is a more modern complex. it is not in service with weapons. Well, I think it will appear in the near future, "said Chemezov.

    Answering the question about when the newest complexes will go into service, Chemezov said: "When they finish the tests."

    Chemezov also noted that the range of the C-500 will be higher than that of the C-400.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6613501

    This is rather confusing.

    So is it going into production or not? Is there even a test unit or not? Because I find the wording to be completely confusing.
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:09 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Production of anti-aircraft missile systems S-500 begins in Russia

    The newest complexes will go into service after the completion of tests, said head of the Rostec state corporation, Sergey Chemezov.


    MOSCOW, June 30th. / Tass /. Production of anti-aircraft missile systems S-500 begins in Russia, in the near future they will go into service, said the head of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergey Chemezov in the program "Characters with Nailaia Asker-Zade" on the Russia-1 channel .

    “At the same time, a new modern weapon is being created. And if, let's say, we already have the opportunity to sell the C-400, we are already starting to produce the C-500. Well, this is a more modern complex. it is not in service with weapons. Well, I think it will appear in the near future, "said Chemezov.

    Answering the question about when the newest complexes will go into service, Chemezov said: "When they finish the tests."

    Chemezov also noted that the range of the C-500 will be higher than that of the C-400.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6613501

    This is rather confusing.

    So is it going into production or not?  Is there even a test unit or not?  Because I find the wording to be completely confusing.

    In English if helps
    https://tass.com/defense/1066425
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:12 pm

    Block dock: C-500 equipped with a repair machine

    The technical condition of the air defense system will be maintained by a mobile station with a unified set of spare parts on board.


    https://iz.ru/896577/roman-kretcul-aleksei-kozachenko-bogdan-stepovoi/blochnyi-dok-s-500-osnastiat-remontnoi-mashinoi
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