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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:05 pm

    No S-400 still use only 48N6DM missile with TVM guide.

    That would still work...

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    Post  Mindstorm on Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:02 am


    https://vpk.name/news/230790_boi_za_siriyu_istrebitelyam_ssha_ne_skryitsya_ot_s300.html


    Some "feed for thoughts" on the endless speculations about detection range of US-made "stealth" aircraft by part of C-300 battery sensors by Col. of Federation's Air Force Technical Commitee Сергей Волков and Chief of Department of the Military Academy of Aerospace Defense Col. Николай Толкачев.

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    Post  Labrador on Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:11 pm

    S-300V


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    Post  LMFS on Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:46 pm

    The RCS values mentioned in the article for the F-35 (1-1,5 m2 at least from side aspect) would be wildly disputed by US sources... but then they announce in depth tests to assess capabilities against ADs so facts don't really support the claims.

    In the end and to save face I think the F-35 will not get involved in the fight and if it does, it will use the same tactics the F-16s are using, that is, low altitude approach using favourable topography and attack from stand off distances from the rim of the SAM engagement zone, even when it means attacking marginal targets instead of more valuable ones. But as far as they are not shot down and attacks continue it will be claimed it is due to Western technological superiority that allows F-35 to challenge the threat posed by the fearsome Russian AD systems. Being limited by decency was never one of their problems...

    And in the end this outcome can be the best, the meltdown and embarrassment a downed F-35 would provoke in US establishment could be destabilising. US would be forced to show strength and recover prestige in one way or another with dangerous consequences.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:09 pm

    One F-35 was already damaged by an S-200 system. Which of course has never happened, according to Tel Aviv and Washington. Mad

    This low approach would hamper the range of the ARM or PGM. Plus there will be Pantsir-S systems around the S-300.

    In the end to attack the S-300 systems in Syria would be a massive operation. Very dangerous for the attacker and costly as well. This is one of the values of an air defence system, the enemy has to use a lot of his means to attack it and can´t attack anything else.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:44 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    https://vpk.name/news/230790_boi_za_siriyu_istrebitelyam_ssha_ne_skryitsya_ot_s300.html


    Some "feed for thoughts" on the endless speculations about detection range of US-made "stealth" aircraft by part of C-300 battery sensors by Col. of Federation's Air Force Technical Commitee Сергей Волков and Chief of Department of the Military Academy of Aerospace Defense Col. Николай Толкачев.

    I wish it would involve the natural dependencies between RCS and wavelength. So far there are kinda few literature exploring this. When there is one tho it never really have some empirical or at least statistical method or equations to help calculate ;w;.

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    Post  AK-Rex on Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:22 am

    Russian Legislator Boasts 'S-700' Air Defense Could 'Shut Down' the Planet

    Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a Russian MP who has lead the nationalist Liberal Democratic Party (LDPR) since the 1990s, has let slip that Russia allegedly had "S-600" and "S-700" air defense systems.

    The earth-shattering "revelation" came when the flamboyant 72-year-old legislator was commenting on the recent delivery of the S-300 missile defense systems to Syria. "S-300 has interested them (the United States)," he said Thursday on a current affairs talk show hosted by journalist Vladimir Soloviev. "They had [previously] paid no attention whatsoever to some S-300. But now they're scared, because Israel, the United States' close ally, is scared — S-300s are nearby. Every jet — not just Israeli — every military jet may be destroyed.""The Americans are scared in general, they are scared that the world's best air defense system is Russia's S-300. And we [also] have S-400, S-500, S-600, and S-700. We can shut down the whole planet, and no plane will [be able to] take off," the MP joked.His statement prompted an explosion of laughter from another guest on the show and applause from the audience. The host played along with Zhirinovsky, cautioning him that he shouldn't give away all secrets so as not to bring up the "dreaded S-1500 system.
    The MP batted back the warning, claiming that the imaginary S-700 will "block everyone at the launch points for good, and this will be the last blow of the Russian counter-air defense system."

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:49 pm

    AK-Rex wrote:Russian Legislator Boasts 'S-700' Air Defense Could 'Shut Down' the Planet

    Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a Russian MP who has lead the nationalist Liberal Democratic Party (LDPR) since the 1990s, has let slip that Russia allegedly had "S-600" and "S-700" air defense systems.

    The earth-shattering "revelation" came when the flamboyant 72-year-old legislator was commenting on the recent delivery of the S-300 missile defense systems to Syria. "S-300 has interested them (the United States)," he said Thursday on a current affairs talk show hosted by journalist Vladimir Soloviev. "They had [previously] paid no attention whatsoever to some S-300. But now they're scared, because Israel, the United States' close ally, is scared — S-300s are nearby. Every jet — not just Israeli — every military jet may be destroyed.""The Americans are scared in general, they are scared that the world's best air defense system is Russia's S-300. And we [also] have S-400, S-500, S-600, and S-700. We can shut down the whole planet, and no plane will [be able to] take off," the MP joked.His statement prompted an explosion of laughter from another guest on the show and applause from the audience. The host played along with Zhirinovsky, cautioning him that he shouldn't give away all secrets so as not to bring up the "dreaded S-1500 system.
    The MP batted back the warning, claiming that the imaginary S-700 will "block everyone at the launch points for good, and this will be the last blow of the Russian counter-air defense system."

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    Well it should not be surprise that Russia will not stop at the S-500s.. when is so close to enter service ,and the staff doing not much will be in the drawing board working in at least one more project ,to speed the development .
    Take for example the Hypersonic missile Avangard.. Putin ordered the construction of it.. in 2003?, after Bush withraw from the ABM treaty. and since that week Putin gave the orders to begin work on hypersonic missiles to penetrate NATO defense shield they were planning in Europe. So it took 15 years.. of development from 2003 to 2018.. and still not yet in service but close..  This means ,that is not unthinkable that Russia will be working in at least 2 or 3 more Air/space defense systems for some time a decade ahead of the time , it will be not productive to wait for the S-500 to enter service and then start in a new one.. The weapons Russia military work. are done more than a decade ahead of its planned release date.. So that said ..if Russia wants to be well prepared not only today but also stay ahead in the future.. then they need to continue developing weapons
    to counter weapons don't exist yet , but that Americans could develop in future. So S-600 and S-700 will not be
    surprising they are being in development. Possibly S-600 will cover the entire Space and target ICBM mid range no mater the altitude they fly.. and with up to 2,000 to 4,000 km range. And since the MP Zhirinovsky speak about Blocking enemy targets at launch points ,this suggest Russia is developing energy Weapons in Space.. like an energy Gun..to damage the electronics of combat planes while they are parked on Aircraft carriers or military bases.  Lots of energy weapons is Russia army future.
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:41 pm

    VKS will receive another regiment C-400 and several complexes "Pantsir-S"

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20181017/1530917222.html
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:09 am

    Source: long-range 40N6 missile of the S-400 system adopted for service

    According to the agency’s interlocutor, it is planned to purchase over a thousand such missiles as part of the state armament program until 2027.

    The long-range missile 40N6 [40N6E - export version] was put into service, all the necessary documents were signed in September, after which the Ministry of Defense began purchasing these missiles," the agency’s source said.

    New rocket
    40N6 is an anti-aircraft super-long-range guided missile, designed to destroy DRLO and EW aircraft, air command posts, strategic bombers, hypersonic cruise and ballistic missiles. According to official data, the range of destruction - up to 380 km for aerodynamic purposes and up to 15 km for ballistic, height - from 10 m to 35 km. The average flight speed is 1190 m / s. Thanks to the new homing head, it can destroy aircraft outside the radio visibility of ground-based locators.

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    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5688864

    FINALLY!!! russia russia attack attack
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:24 am

    Military unit in the Khabarovsk Territory re-armed on the S-400

    The military unit of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District (VVO) in the Khabarovsk Territory completed rearmament with the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system. This was stated by the district press service.

    The last echelon with new equipment arrived in the unit in October, the report says. Anti-aircraft gunners mastered the new weapons at one of the ranges of the western part of Russia, reports TASS on October 17. They studied the characteristics and the material part of the system and performed electronic and practical missile launches

    https://vpk.name/news/231558_voinskaya_chast_v_habarovskom_krae_perevooruzhilas_na_s400.html


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    Post  Labrador on Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:16 pm

    Sure replace S-300PS three candidates all have 3 Bns

    Normaly all S-400 56 Bns delivered for 2020 right now about 50
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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:06 pm

    Long-range anti-aircraft guided missile 40N6 of the S-400 system adopted for service

    As reported on October 18, 2018 by the TASS agency, the long-range anti-aircraft guided missile 40N6 of the S-400 Triumph system was adopted by the Russian army. This was announced on Thursday Tass source in the defense-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.

    "The long-range missile 40N6 [40N6E - export version] was put into service, all the necessary documents were signed in September, after which the Ministry of Defense began purchasing these missiles," the agency’s source said.



    Characteristics of the 40N6 (40N6E) long-range guided missile for the S-400 and S-500 anti-aircraft missile systems. Shot from multimedia presentation by Concern EKR Almaz-Antey at the International Military-Technical Forum Army-2018. Kubinka, 08/23/2018 (c) Mikhail Zherdev


    “In total, under the state armament program until 2027, it is planned to purchase over a thousand 40N6 to equip the existing C-400 Aerospace Forces with existing regiments and to re-equip them,” the source added, recalling that within the framework of this program, 56 -400.

    In July, another source in the Russian defense industry told TASS about the successful completion of state joint tests of the 40N6 missile.


    New rocket

    40N6 is an anti-aircraft super-long-range guided missile, designed to destroy DRLO and EW aircraft, air command posts, strategic bombers, hypersonic cruise and ballistic missiles. According to official data, the range of destruction - up to 380 km for aerodynamic purposes and up to 15 km for ballistic, height - from 10 m to 35 km. The average flight speed is 1190 m / s. Thanks to the new homing head, it can destroy aircraft outside the radio visibility of ground-based locators.

    The rocket was developed by ICB Fakel, mass production is carried out by the Moscow Aviation Plant “Avangard”. Its adoption was expected in the early 2010s, but the tests were delayed.

    Anti-aircraft missiles of the S-400 complex (9M96, 48N6, 48N6DM) that were previously in service ensured the destruction of targets at a range of up to 250 km.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3381978.html
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:53 pm

    Apparently, the U.S and Isreal are training against the S-300 in Ukraine.
    What S-300 variant does Ukraine have?

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    Post  Hole on Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:52 pm

    That´s like training with George Foreman before a fight against Khabib.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:07 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Apparently, the U.S and Isreal are training against the S-300 in Ukraine.
    What S-300 variant does Ukraine have?

    S-300PT and S-300PS.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:23 am

    https://mobile.twitter.com/alert5/status/1053096037349355520

    40N6 inforgraphic. I don't know if ut was shared before.

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    Post  Labrador on Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:53 am

    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/alert5/status/1053096037349355520

    40N6 inforgraphic. I don't know if ut was shared before.
    I remenber a guy on twitter saying the dimensions on this graphic are not good i have see more long but less wide  dunno 

    Interesting 56 Bns planned and “More than a thousand of 40N6 missiles are planned to be purchased under the state armament program through 2027,” do about twenty 40N6 by Bn bigg, expensive and in small qty
    in general it is 48N6 to 250 km wich going to be used.

    Report: Russian Army Accepts Advanced Long-Range Missile for S-400 System
    A source in the Russian defense industry told TASS that the 40N6 long-range surface-to-air missile of the S-400 system has been accepted for service in the Russian Army. “More than a thousand of 40N6 missiles are planned to be purchased under the state armament program through 2027,” the source said
    http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/36042
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    Post  dino00 on Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:59 am

    Almaz-Antey handed over to the Ministry of Defense another S-400 complex


    The Russian military received another Regimental Triumph S-400 anti-aircraft missile system.

    The press service of the Almaz-Antey Concern noted that the complex was transferred as part of obligations under the state defense order.

    In 2018, the VKS had already received three S-400 air defense systems, which will be distributed to air defense units of military districts, Interfax reported on Monday, October 22.

    https://iz.ru/803176/2018-10-22/almaz-antei-peredal-minoborony-eshche-odin-kompleks-s-400
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    Post  littlerabbit on Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:09 am

    Labrador wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/alert5/status/1053096037349355520

    40N6 inforgraphic. I don't know if ut was shared before.
    I remenber a guy on twitter saying the dimensions on this graphic are not good i have see more long but less wide  dunno 

    Interesting 56 Bns planned and “More than a thousand of 40N6 missiles are planned to be purchased under the state armament program through 2027,” do about twenty 40N6 by Bn bigg, expensive and in small qty
    in general it is 48N6 to 250 km wich going to be used.

    Report: Russian Army Accepts Advanced Long-Range Missile for S-400 System
    A source in the Russian defense industry told TASS that the 40N6 long-range surface-to-air missile of the S-400 system has been accepted for service in the Russian Army. “More than a thousand of 40N6 missiles are planned to be purchased under the state armament program through 2027,” the source said
    http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/36042

    “More than a thousand of 40N6 missiles are planned to be purchased under the state armament program through 2027,”
    Well, this is quite stretched notion...5.000 is also more than a thousand, right?! russia

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    Post  Labrador on Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:55 pm

    littlerabbit wrote:
    Labrador wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/alert5/status/1053096037349355520

    40N6 inforgraphic. I don't know if ut was shared before.
    I remenber a guy on twitter saying the dimensions on this graphic are not good i have see more long but less wide  dunno 

    Interesting 56 Bns planned and “More than a thousand of 40N6 missiles are planned to be purchased under the state armament program through 2027,” do about twenty 40N6 by Bn bigg, expensive and in small qty
    in general it is 48N6 to 250 km wich going to be used.

    Report: Russian Army Accepts Advanced Long-Range Missile for S-400 System
    A source in the Russian defense industry told TASS that the 40N6 long-range surface-to-air missile of the S-400 system has been accepted for service in the Russian Army. “More than a thousand of 40N6 missiles are planned to be purchased under the state armament program through 2027,” the source said
    http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/36042

    “More than a thousand of 40N6 missiles are planned to be purchased under the state armament program through 2027,”
    Well, this is quite stretched notion...5.000 is also more than a thousand, right?! russia

    Always possible play with words but it is not severals thousand nah   Smile
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:42 am

    They were only supposed to be making about 2,400 F-35s so 1,000 of the 400km range model will be plenty... especially considering there will also be S-300V4, and S-500, and of course enormous numbers of TOR, BUK, S-350, Pantsir, Verba, etc etc. Not to mention the other S-400 missiles with shorter range...

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    Post  Arrow on Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:54 am

    The average speed of 40N6 is small. 9M82MD has a much higher energy and a maximum speed of about 2.7 km / s.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:33 pm

    If it is coming right at you the engine will have burned out already so no smoke and a circle of less than 40cm or so coming directly at you moving at more than 500m/s... by the time you see it it will be too late... even if it missed your plane by 10 metres its 150kg directed fragment warhead will shred your aircraft and make it look like a colander...

    Considering it is the 400km range model it will generally be used mainly on targets that are a long way away... they would not bother firing it at a target less than 200km away for instance as they would have other missiles on the launcher that can reach such targets.

    This means that most of the time the missile will likely follow a very high lofted trajectory so it will likely be falling at very high speed onto the target aircraft... by the time it is seen it will likely be way too late...

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    Post  Labrador on Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:36 pm

    GarryB wrote:They were only supposed to be making about 2,400 F-35s so 1,000 of the 400km range model will be plenty... especially considering there will also be S-300V4, and S-500, and of course enormous numbers of TOR, BUK, S-350, Pantsir, Verba, etc etc. Not to mention the other S-400 missiles with shorter range…

    Sorry but it is enormeous what you say you imagine well S-400 radar can't detect such target to 400 km !!! in more it is not 2400 F-35 but much more.

    I don't want talking about war… but the dual S-400 vs F-35 very important and all advantages provide stealth fighter or bombers especialy F-22/35 which have the best RCS 
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    F-22/35 can deal with S-400 using only glider bombs GBU-39 now later GBU-53  more capable vs mobile targets it is an enormeous advantage for 3 reasons
    - yet these bombs are much more cheaper than missiles AGM-88 etc...
    - ofc disponible in much more big qty than AGM-88 and again more AGM-158 which is the missile for not stealth fighters to destroy S-400 or SCALP-EG etc... in this case you need a very long stich but much more rare
    and expensive
    - the salvo size, the power 8 by F-22/35 no stealth have max 2 LACM LR … x 4 in theory can destroy 8 vehicles vs 2... !

    I add only USAF use GBU-39 F-35C have AGM-154 with longer range but only 2 by bird F-35B don't have main Reason USMC use these birds mainly to support ground troops so not specialist for SEAD missions but all have later GBU-53 with Block 4 for 2021 -22

    Remains tactical things more the target is deep in ennemy territory more SAMs have chance to see the side of the stealth fighters the formation ofc much more detectable and if fighters won't win the dual after he show is rear again more detectable also EM emissions, IR signature i can't all detailed ofc

    And obviously normaly in general F-22/35 win but not sure you have awalys circumstances, chance also and don't exist perfect weapons.
    Despite it ofc stealth fighters are more expensive to build, maintain etc... and not stealth remains  good interesting and with a LACM LR attack with a missile with 400 + km range the fighter is certain to be safe

    According RCS Su-57 and J-20 can' t do same vs S-400  in more don't exist Russians glider bombs.

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