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    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:04 am

    T 72 destroyed by the US

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:27 am

    The assessment of the Russian central command is that the combined US forces in and around Syria are superior. Indeed, in terms of numbers they are 5 to 10 times greater in every hardware or personnel category. They attempt to provoke, it was to be expected. This prospect should have been taken into account before the start of the expedition in Syria. I guess the generals should have worked an antidote. They are massive, but of poor quality and overextented.

    Counterattacking in all fronts is the standard recipe in such cases. Give them hell in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Ukraine and most importantly to the head of the snake, Israel. Then they will back down. Americans are immigrant mercenaries, they impose no nation, they changed nationality only for money, they have not the balls nor the ethical high ground to die in a fight. I fear not the Americans, never considered them a coherent fighting force.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos on Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:18 am

    Isos wrote:T 72 destroyed by the US


    Can a mod put this in the syrian war thread. Thanks

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  LaVictoireEstLaVie on Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:13 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:For me, as a supporter of Russia, it is highly frustrating to see things like this happen again and again.

    This bombing raid might not have killed official Russian servicemen, but it did kill Russian citizens. It should not have happened. Russia should not have allowed this to happen.

    And Russia should make the perpetrators pay the price for killing its citizens. But it won’t happen. The ones who killed Russians (whether in Ukraine or in Syria) will be left unpunished. No retaliation is to follow.

    And in the future the Russians will continue to die in Syria while the Americans won’t suffer any casualties. Why? Because nobody dares to mess with the US. They are feared and respected. Russia is not.

    Same here. I find it outrageous that Russia does not fight back against the aggressor. This passive behavior on part of the Russians will just invite more US aggression.

    I wish the UN actually was what it was meant to be and held everyone equally accountable. Sadly it is two or three class institution where the top dog gets away with literal murder.

    Hopefully China will step in to deter further US aggression in the Middle East, Asia and Europe sooner rather than later. One can "hope".
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Regular on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:57 pm

    How can you fight someone much stronger than you without going nuclear? USA has much stronger presence in the region and they are just flexing muscles. Surely, there was no need for 3-4 hour bombing runs, this is what russians call pokazukha. Trying to make russia look weak especially before elections. There's not much can be done by Russia, but to be patient and wait till USA will step on their own rake.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:51 pm

    This bombing raid might not have killed official Russian servicemen, but it did kill Russian citizens. It should not have happened. Russia should not have allowed this to happen.

    Russia is actually in Syria to kill Russian citizens...

    Putin himself stated that at the start of the war about 15,000 Russian citizens went to Syria to fight on the side of ISIS... Russia could either wait for them to win and bring the fight back to Russia when they return, or go to Syria and fight them there and kill them there.

    If russian citizens want to go to another country at war and fight for money then that is their choice... the Russian military has no obligation to protect them in any way.



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:08 pm


    Found this on Reddit and I think it's the most likely scenario:

    Russian newspaper claims that SAA-US/SDF offensive was due to local businessman wanting to seize the SDF oil fields and get Wagner support. Attack was not approved by Russian MoD. At least 5 PMCs killed

    https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/7xhw25/russian_newspaper_claims_that_saaussdf_offensive/
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Found this on Reddit and I think it's the most likely scenario:

    Russian newspaper claims that SAA-US/SDF offensive was due to local businessman wanting to seize the SDF oil fields and get Wagner support. Attack was not approved by Russian MoD. At least 5 PMCs killed

    https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/7xhw25/russian_newspaper_claims_that_saaussdf_offensive/

    They weren't even near the oifields, and by the time the attack happened, the US would have to have taken notice of the supposed attack much earlier. So that story is also bullshit.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Kimppis on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:45 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:As I wrote previously, only Russians die in Syria. No American deaths so far.

    Again: that's not true.

    I guess thousands of Americans were not killed in Afghanistan and Iraq either?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:45 pm

    Regular wrote:How can you fight someone much stronger than you without going nuclear? USA has much stronger presence in the region and they are just flexing muscles. Surely, there was no need for 3-4 hour bombing runs, this is what russians call pokazukha. Trying to make russia look weak especially before elections. There's not much can be done by Russia, but to be patient and wait till USA will step on their own rake.



    You are wrong.. Russia ,IRAN ,IRAQ are a much stronger presence than US and Kurds.. and the few thousand terrorist in Syria and IRAQ.  Putin weakness is what makes americans confident that it can get away with any attack on Syrian
    ARmy. Putin should have given the order to strike American airforce when bombed Syrian army... and then later
    say.. it was self defense.. So if AMericans goes nuclear , then Russia can go nuclear too.. so what?

    The war in Syria is a war on Russia.. and Putin is playing a very shameful role in the world ,by not fighting back
    Americans .. even when they are openly -indirectly at war with them.  Again read this carefully , Putin weakness
    in dealing with Americans cost Russian and Syrian lives..  And is threatening the entire operation.  There are many things Russia can do.. allow Syria army to declare that any drone or plane from any foreign nation ,illegally flying over Syria that threaten the security of their military will be shotdown.. and that they will not care the country they are.
    that alone will be a message for US , and NATO that no longer can attack Syria army without a proper retaliation..

    But Putin weakness with Americans ,puts in danger not only their allies and soldiers in Syria but also in Ukraine too...

    Putin/Russia lack of leadership in the world.. is the sole reason ,that Russia is disrespected and humiliated in the world .  He is afraid of doing something that will provoke americans to cut Russia from their banking system and the american world. Why now Russia create its own system? instead ?

    Americans wants to humiliate Russia in Syria and in every other thing in the world like sports.. and they are doing a very good job at that.. hopefully Russians "will stop" supporting him and get a real leader in place ,that do not beg
    americans business to help him ,get good relations with US..  No

    Taking into account the major limitations Russian military face today... ie.. Have many nations seeking to over
    Run Damascus.. with Americans bombing Syria and Russian soldiers.. while Israel also bombing any place ,even
    closer to Russia military base.. and Americans determination to never leave Syria.. Then the less terrible thing
    Russia could do is to pressure Assad to make a deal with Turkey.. Where Turkey will get all the Kurdish zones for them.. in change Turkey will drop support for FSA/ALnusra and will kick Americans from Northen Syria.. And then Russia will allow Turkey airforce to freely operate in northen Syria and will provide Erdogan weapons to Fight Americans and kurds there..

    that way Russia can..

    -Take Turkey away from NATO
    -Kick Americans from Syria and from IRAQ... Cool
    -Put an end to Kurdistan project and the Syrian war.
    -Create a very powerful impossible to defeat alliance that will dominate middle east
    of Russia,Turkey,IRAN,IRAQ.
    -Put an end to ISIS and all terrorist ,that fights against Russia and Assad.

    In other words.. that Turkey joins the alliance of Russia,IRAN ,Syria ,hezbola for real..
    and abandon NATO and remote american military base from there. and help Russia kick
    Americans from Syria.

    In change erdogan will get..
    -All northen Syria oil fields under kurds control..
    -Modern Technology to modernize their army ,
    -S-400s and S500s.. Armata -Pakfa.. and even provide Turkey with the technology to produce nuclear weapons.
    -nuclear submarines , cruise missiles armed with nukes from Russia.
    -and help Turkey into developing a space program.


    In short recruit Turkey into an Anti NATO alliance. with full military hardware support.
    So this will help erdogan , to become a Hero to Turkey people.. and then he will get rid of
    the kurds fighting him. and will take their country to a new level ,economically and military.
    an alliance like this will officially end NATO wars in the middle east.. and threatens to influence
    Saudi Arabia to move away from the american orbit.. kicking americans from the entire middle east.

    This will allow Russia to block NATO warships from the black sea..and Syria to fully stop the war.
    of course for this Russia will need to abandon Kurds .


    syria will lose permanently Kurds controlled zones east of euprates and the oil fields,but they already lost those territories anyway..

    So Erdogan Abandon NATO and creates an ANTI NATO full scale major alliance.. Russia-Syria,IRAN -IRAQ
    alliance , and Russia provides Turkey protection and technology ,all they need to defend against US .. and Syria give away Kurds controlled zones to Turkey. Russia can even kick France from Lebanon too. in retaliation for their support of terrorist in Syria.. and then in the end Syria will re-unite with Lebanon and Turkey will get all Kurdish zone east of euprates,with Syria Gov authorization. and then erdogan will close the black sea for all NATO warships..

    Such kind of alliance will be a check mate to Americans..in the middle east. Is not a perfect solution ,but it will be better than allowing Americans/Israel bombing Syria every day, making it impossible for Syria to recover and develop.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  par far on Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:32 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:The assessment of the Russian central command is that the combined US forces in and around Syria are superior. Indeed, in terms of numbers they are 5 to 10 times greater in every hardware or personnel category. They attempt to provoke, it was to be expected. This prospect should have been taken into account before the start of the expedition in Syria. I guess the generals should have worked an antidote. They are massive, but of poor quality and overextented.

    Counterattacking in all fronts is the standard recipe in such cases. Give them hell in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Ukraine and most importantly to the head of the snake, Israel. Then they will back down.  Americans are immigrant mercenaries, they impose no nation, they changed nationality only for money, they have not the balls nor the ethical high ground to die in a fight. I fear not the Americans, never considered them a coherent fighting force.


    Agree with this. Russia can really make life difficult for NATO and head of the snake, Israel and Russia is already doing this. With the recent events of the Jewish F 16 shoot down and the SAA being able to shoot down Jew missiles, it is already happening. In Afghanistan and Yemen, Russia can inflict a lot of pain to NATO(I think this is being saved as a last resort.) In Iraq, the US is pulling out(for the most) and Russian influence is getting better in Iraq, so point in flaming Iraq. Ukraine is right on Russia's border, so it is not wise to give "then hell' in Ukraine.

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    Post  par far on Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:31 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Regular wrote:How can you fight someone much stronger than you without going nuclear? USA has much stronger presence in the region and they are just flexing muscles. Surely, there was no need for 3-4 hour bombing runs, this is what russians call pokazukha. Trying to make russia look weak especially before elections. There's not much can be done by Russia, but to be patient and wait till USA will step on their own rake.



    You are wrong.. Russia ,IRAN ,IRAQ are a much stronger presence than US and Kurds.. and the few thousand terrorist in Syria and IRAQ.  Putin weakness is what makes americans confident that it can get away with any attack on Syrian
    ARmy.
    Putin should have given the order to strike American airforce when bombed Syrian army... and then later
    say.. it was self defense.. So if AMericans goes nuclear , then Russia can go nuclear too.. so what?

    The war in Syria is a war on Russia.. and Putin is playing a very shameful role in the world ,by not fighting back
    Americans
    .. even when they are openly -indirectly at war with them.  Again read this carefully , Putin weakness
    in dealing with Americans cost Russian and Syrian lives
    ..  And is threatening the entire operation.  There are many things Russia can do.. allow Syria army to declare that any drone or plane from any foreign nation ,illegally flying over Syria that threaten the security of their military will be shotdown.. and that they will not care the country they are.
    that alone will be a message for US , and NATO that no longer can attack Syria army without a proper retaliation..

    But Putin weakness with Americans ,puts in danger not only their allies and soldiers in Syria but also in Ukraine too...

    Putin/Russia lack of leadership in the world.. is the sole reason ,that Russia is disrespected and humiliated in the world .  He is afraid of doing something that will provoke americans to cut Russia from their banking system and the american world. Why now Russia create its own system? instead ?

    Americans wants to humiliate Russia in Syria and in every other thing in the world like sports.. and they are doing a very good job at that.. hopefully Russians "will stop" supporting him and get a real leader in place ,that do not beg
    americans business to help him ,get good relations with US..  No

    Taking into account the major limitations Russian military face today... ie.. Have many nations seeking to over
    Run Damascus.. with Americans bombing Syria and Russian soldiers.. while Israel also bombing any place ,even
    closer to Russia military base..  and Americans determination to never leave Syria.. Then the less terrible thing
    Russia could do is to pressure Assad to make a deal with Turkey.. Where Turkey will get all the Kurdish zones for them.. in change Turkey will drop support for FSA/ALnusra and will kick Americans from Northen Syria.. And then Russia will allow Turkey airforce to freely operate in northen Syria and will provide Erdogan weapons to Fight Americans and kurds there..

    that way Russia can..

    -Take Turkey away from NATO
    -Kick Americans from Syria and from IRAQ...  Cool
    -Put an end to Kurdistan project and the Syrian war.
    -Create a very powerful impossible to defeat alliance that will dominate middle east
    of Russia,Turkey,IRAN,IRAQ.
    -Put an end to ISIS and all terrorist ,that fights against Russia and Assad.

    In other words.. that Turkey joins the alliance of Russia,IRAN ,Syria ,hezbola for real..
    and abandon NATO and remote american military base from there. and help Russia kick
    Americans from Syria.

    In change erdogan will get..
    -All northen Syria oil fields under kurds control..
    -Modern Technology to modernize their army ,
    -S-400s and S500s.. Armata -Pakfa.. and even provide Turkey with the technology to produce nuclear weapons.
    -nuclear submarines , cruise missiles armed with nukes from Russia.
    -and help Turkey into developing a space program.


    In short recruit Turkey into an Anti NATO alliance. with full military hardware support.
    So this will help erdogan , to become a Hero to Turkey people.. and then he will get rid of
    the kurds fighting him. and will take their country to a new level ,economically and military.
    an alliance like this will officially end NATO wars in the middle east.. and threatens to influence
    Saudi Arabia to move away from the american orbit.. kicking americans from the entire middle east.

    This will allow Russia to block NATO warships from the black sea..and Syria to fully stop the war.
    of course for this Russia will need to abandon Kurds .


    syria will lose permanently Kurds controlled zones east of euprates and the oil fields,but they already lost those territories anyway..

    So Erdogan Abandon NATO and creates an ANTI NATO full scale major alliance..  Russia-Syria,IRAN -IRAQ
    alliance , and Russia provides Turkey protection and technology ,all they need to defend against US .. and Syria give away Kurds controlled zones to Turkey. Russia can even kick France from Lebanon too. in retaliation for their support of terrorist in Syria.. and then in the end Syria will re-unite with Lebanon and Turkey will get all Kurdish zone east of euprates,with Syria Gov authorization.  and then erdogan will close the black sea for all NATO warships..

    Such kind of alliance will be a check mate to Americans..in the middle east. Is not a perfect solution ,but it will be better than allowing Americans/Israel bombing Syria every day, making it impossible for Syria to recover and develop.

    The highlighted is just false statements and just pure crap. Before Putin came to power, Russia was seen as a weak third world country, a country no respected, a country that was a pushover. You should research how Russia was under Yeltsin, than you will know how uneducated you are about Russia and Putin.

    Putin has made a multi polar world, Putin has made Russia a better place to live in(Russia was a wreck after the collapse of the Soviet Union, under Putin wages are better, Pensions are better, the quality of life is better, there are jobs), Putin has made the Russian economy a way way way better economy than it was under Yeltsin(under Yeltsin Russia was like McDonald's to Jewish Oligarchs), Putin turned a moribund Russian military, into a military power that can destroy Zionists plan for Syria(and where ever needed), the Russian army before Putin came into power, was a disaster, Putin turned it into a Force that is feared by Russia's enemies.
    Did Putin do all this on his own? No, but he was a big part of it.

    Statement's like these by you, are just idiotic:

    "Putin should have given the order to strike American airforce when bombed Syrian army... and then later
    say.. it was self defense.. So if AMericans goes nuclear , then Russia can go nuclear too.. so what?",


    This is what the Anglo-Zionists, why would you give them what they want?

    "The war in Syria is a war on Russia.. and Putin is playing a very shameful role in the world ,by not fighting back
    Americans."


    How is Putin playing a shameful role? Putin has destroyed the Anglo-Zionists plan for Syria(a plan they were working on for a decade.)

     
    "Again read this carefully , Putin weakness in dealing with Americans cost Russian and Syrian lives..  And is threatening the entire operation."

    If Putin had not intervened in Syria, can you imagine how many Syrian Lives would have been lost?

    "There are many things Russia can do.. allow Syria army to declare that any drone or plane from any foreign nation ,illegally flying over Syria that threaten the security of their military will be shotdown.. and that they will not care the country they are.
    that alone will be a message for US , and NATO that no longer can attack Syria army without a proper retaliation."


    What rock are you living under? The Syria is doing something, that it has not done something in 3 decades, they are taking down Israeli aircraft and taking down Israeli missiles and taking down American missiles(all with the help of Russia.)

     
    "Putin/Russia lack of leadership in the world.. is the sole reason ,that Russia is disrespected and humiliated in the world .  He is afraid of doing something that will provoke americans to cut Russia from their banking system and the american world. Why now Russia create its own system? instead?"

    The rock that you are living under is huge. It is because of Putin that Russia is respected, it is because of Putin's leader ship that there is a multi polar world, it is because of Putin's leadership, respect and fear that Benjamin Netanyahu visits Russia/Putin 2-3 times a year, it is because of Putin's leadership, respect and fear that Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has to get Russia's permission before doing anything in Syria, it is because of Putin's leadership, respect and fear that Salman of Saudi Arabia has to come to Russia.

    Russia is working on creating a new banking system, you would have known this, if you payed attention.


    Americans wants to humiliate Russia in Syria and in every other thing in the world like sports.. and they are doing a very good job at that.. hopefully Russians "will stop" supporting him and get a real leader in place ,that do not beg
    americans business to help him ,get good relations with US.


    The Americans were humiliating Russia and than Putin came along and turned Russia into a respected country, the Americans are not humiliating Russia, the American empire(Anglo-Zionists empire) is collapsing, the Petro-Dollar is going down the drain and Russia is playing a big hand in that. Putin has transformed Russia and turned into a very nice country to live in, why would Russians stop supporting him?

    "Taking into account the major limitations Russian military face today... ie.. Have many nations seeking to over
    Run Damascus.. with Americans bombing Syria and Russian soldiers.. while Israel also bombing any place ,even
    closer to Russia military base.. and Americans determination to never leave Syria."

    The Americans are not bombing Russian soldiers(they know if they do, the Americans know that they will get it back), Americans bombing the SAA is a desperation move(the Americans know they have lost in Syria), after the F16 and F 15 incident, Israel will be very carefully where they bomb. The American can pound sand in Syria and when they realize they have fucked, will leave.    

    You make these long ass statements where 90%-95% is just total bull shit, I don't know why other members don't call you out on that?
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:38 pm

    Why do you have to copy in his 'long arse statement' with yours?

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    Post  par far on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Why do you have to copy in his 'long arse statement' with yours?


    I hope by doing this, he can really see through all the crap he writes and not do it again.



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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:00 am

    par far wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Why do you have to copy in his 'long arse statement' with yours?


    Putin has made a multi polar world, Putin has made Russia a better place to live in(Russia was a wreck after the collapse of the Soviet Union, under Putin wages are better, Pensions are better, the quality of life is better, there are jobs), Putin has made the Russian economy a way way way better economy than it was under Yeltsin(under Yeltsin Russia was like McDonald's to Jewish Oligarchs), Putin turned a moribund Russian military, into a military power that can destroy Zionists plan for Syria(and where ever needed), the Russian army before Putin came into power, was a disaster, Putin turned it into a Force that is feared by Russia's enemies.
    Did Putin do all this on his own? No, but he was a big part of it.

    Statement's like these by you, are just idiotic:

    "Putin should have given the order to strike American airforce when bombed Syrian army... and then later
    say.. it was self defense.. So if AMericans goes nuclear , then Russia can go nuclear too.. so what?",

    This is what the Anglo-Zionists, why would you give them what they want?

    "The war in Syria is a war on Russia.. and Putin is playing a very shameful role in the world ,by not fighting back
    Americans."

    How is Putin playing a shameful role? Putin has destroyed the Anglo-Zionists plan for Syria(a plan they were working on for a decade.)

    If Putin had not intervened in Syria, can you imagine how many Syrian Lives would have been lost?



    Im aware that Putin achievements from 2000 to 2008... helped Russia to recover their Economy and their
    Political independence. The problem is that helping Russia to Survive  IS not enough .
    That was ok , from 2000 to 2008 when americans were busy in iraq and afganistan full scale invasion.
    Now Americans are busy killing Russians right next at Russian borders. ,shooting down their pilots planes, dismembering its allied nations..financing terrorism..and Putin can't pretend to not know what they are doing.
    ,

    So yes Putin "saved" Russia
    (temporarily) , but the point is.. Russians needs a lot more than "to be saved"..
    Putin can't continue forever creating "Stability" in Russia by keeping Russians citizens distracted by Victory parades and sports and wishing good relations with nations who seek to destroy Russia... and be happy to be the gas station of europe. Russia needs to be Fully Independent nation. Not just in politics and military as they are.. but in civilian
    modern Business too. And it can't allow a nation like US ,to continue trying and trying and trying to break Russia economy because eventually they will get it.. So Putin can't Ignore that Americans are Already in an
    undeclared war against Russia.. US is at war with Russia in a semi open war.. and this began in 2011 with the Syrian
    war they provoked and was only taken to whole new level with the Ukrainian conflict that they also provoked.
    This means that Putin cant just cross hands and continue waiting and waiting and waiting for things to solve on
    their on.. and turn the other cheek whenever Americans hits Russia with sanctions and with revolutions and with provoked wars agaisnt Russia allies.  Russia needs to fight Back.. at its "american partners".. declare US their enemies.
    But if he is afraid of military fight .. then he needs to find a way to collapse the american empire.. and he will not do it.
    by making the #1 bananas and potatoes exporters.. eeeees a carrot to lure away
    Europe from the American orbit. and the way to do that is by Russia clearly dominating the world in Space in everything.. and by offering an alternative to the American most popular and more respected Business.
    This means Russia needs to become a clear alternative to US.. in the eyes of the world. and they can achieve that
    only by a space revolution.. and by a post industrial revolution. Russia economy is run as if was VEnezuela.. that depends of Oil and Agriculture.. and Russia do better only because of its military industry and energy industry is bigger.  Russia have an influence problem in the world.. as i said many times..  and Putin short sight vision of Russia
    is responsible for this.. Putin got a break from 2000 to 2008.  but now Putin is sinking Russia.. So what is good about Putin past ,is if cant adapt to the new times and his actions are now bringing Russia down?  
    He can't continue with the same tactics ,of relying of its American "parters" to allow Russia alone to sell lots of energy to europe in peace.. Now Americans are at war with Russia ,is an undeclared slow war , but is a war. and Russia needs to fight back.. . it will be self defense..Putin can't continue begging US to change its mind... so Putin needs a totally new strategy different to what he did in 2000 to 2008.. Privatization of all energy ,agriculture and mining , business for example.. sell it to europe..that way it will be sanction proof.. and can nationalize it back in case of major war... and privatization of sports..and the Government should focus in transforming Russia into a real Alternative to US business... thats the only other way , when Russia will start to lead in the world and will get major alliances.. when create an alternative system to the american world. it could be done alone will take longer or with China /BRICS help.
    Not even Belarus ,India or China Russia closes allies . shows how little influence Putin/Russia have in the world.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  MechanizedOne on Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:01 am

    ...Russia needs to fight Back.. at its "american partners".. declare US their enemies.
    But if he is afraid of military fight .. then he needs to find a way to collapse the american empire.. and he will not do it.


    Putin is right to be concerned about a military confrontation because it would lead nowhere at the moment (I say "at the moment" because hopefully in the future we will have some way of mitigating fallout/radiation etc or some more reliable way of downing ICBMs before they reach their targets): even if it was a conventional war in Europe at first, as soon as one side got close to defeating the other the nukes would start to fly and everyone would be dead. Economically I agree that he should find a way to dismantle the American hegemony if he can.

    Lure away Europe from the American orbit.

    A lot easier said than done, especially for Western/Central Europe (France, Germany, etc) which US has held in a vice grip both economically and politically since the days of the Marshall Plan...Eastern Europe and the Balkans is a lot easier to do today especially if Putin manages to push the American influence out of Ukraine. Western/Central Europe is probably only possible in the very long term for now and it will take a lot of effort.

    and the way to do that is by Russia clearly dominating the world in Space in everything.. and by offering an alternative to the American most popular and more respected Business.
    This means Russia needs to become a clear alternative to US.. in the eyes of the world. and they can achieve that
    only by a space revolution.. and by a post industrial revolution.


    Very true. In fact I think it would be good if Russia invested a lot into this up and coming automated manufacturing stuff (e.g advanced 3D printing) so that they can produce a lot even though they only have a population 10 percent the size of China and half the size of the US (roughly).

    Putin got a break from 2000 to 2008.  but now Putin is sinking Russia.. So what is good about Putin past ,is if cant adapt to the new times and his actions are now bringing Russia down?

    I don't think he is "sinking Russia" by any means: he is doing a pretty good job of keeping it stable. Could he do more? Yes but like I said he is right to be cautious for the moment and carefully lay down his plans for the long term.

    Privatization of all energy ,agriculture and mining , business for example.. sell it to europe..that way it will be sanction proof.. and can nationalize it back in case of major war...

    This is extremely dangerous because who knows who will buy it and what they will do with it afterwards. After all like you say America and Russia are in an undeclared economic war already so what if someone connected to the US buys it just to make money and then sabotage it all somehow in the event of a war? (a bit far fetched but entirely possible...).
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  auslander on Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:05 am

    par far wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Why do you have to copy in his 'long arse statement' with yours?

    I hope by doing this, he can really see through all the crap he writes and not do it again.

    You can't fix stupud so stop trying. I've had that clown and his clones on cosmic ignore for a long time. Stop quoting that stupud fool so I don't have to read his drool.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:05 am

    Privatization of all energy ,agriculture and mining , business for example.. sell it to europe..that way it will be sanction proof.. and can nationalize it back in case of major war...

    It was privatisation of the Soviet Union that led to a small group of Russians with power and position and money to buy up anything of value in Russia and then cut jobs, and sell off all the assets and make billions of dollars that fucked up the country in the first place.

    What they really need to do is nationalise everything of strategic value, and then train a generation of government bureaucrats to manage a real company with some efficiency.

    Not high efficiency like a western company that does not give a shit about its workers or the environment and only wants return on investments for its investors... ie money and profit.

    But efficiency in terms of less waste and good working conditions for its workers and social responsibility where they might even build houses for those that need them, of feed the local poor, or spend money on local infrastructure... use renewable resources... reduce waste.... etc etc.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie on Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:16 pm

    par far wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Why do you have to copy in his 'long arse statement' with yours?


    I hope by doing this, he can really see through all the crap he writes and not do it again.


    You need not to explain to JohninMK the reason of why your comments are one way or other.

    JohninMK seems to think he has a word directing how must be the comments of the people, how must be the topics, and what the moderators must do or not.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  calm on Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:37 pm

    Russian Foreign Ministry says 5 Russian citizens were killed by a U.S. strike in Syria on Feb. 7
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-15/the-latest-russian-fm-5-russians-killed-in-us-syria-strike

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-foreign-ministry-says-5-russian-citizens-were-killed-by-a-us-strike-in-syria-on-feb-7/2018/02/15/4813449a-1251-11e8-a68c-e9374188170e_story.html?utm_term=.94bf1cf12c4d
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:44 pm

    So you link fucking Western fake news garbage that Russian MoD confirmed it, but provided no Russian links regarding it?

    This is what was said

    http://tass.com/politics/990166

    Preliminary reports state it's 5. Likely? Probably.

    https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/964129725575843841

    Want my guess? These guys that died may have been volunteers for ISIS hunters since ISIS hunters got hit, and they want blood in retaliation. Wagner group is a lie, but these paramilitary groups are not, since that isn't illegal.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:09 pm

    For those who don't want to give clicks to the Western garbage press

    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/breaking-moscow-confirms-death-5-russians-coalitions-airstrike-syria/
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  kvs on Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:10 pm

    calm wrote:Russian Foreign Ministry says 5 Russian citizens were killed by a U.S. strike in Syria on Feb. 7
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-15/the-latest-russian-fm-5-russians-killed-in-us-syria-strike

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-foreign-ministry-says-5-russian-citizens-were-killed-by-a-us-strike-in-syria-on-feb-7/2018/02/15/4813449a-1251-11e8-a68c-e9374188170e_story.html?utm_term=.94bf1cf12c4d

    Oh my, Bloomturd and the Washington Pissing Post. Such credible sources of news on Russia...

    I am still to see a single cell phone image of a dead Russian merc. It is clear that this story is being manipulated to meddle in
    the Russian presidential election.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  kvs on Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:16 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:For those who don't want to give clicks to the Western garbage press

    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/breaking-moscow-confirms-death-5-russians-coalitions-airstrike-syria/

    So they have not actually confirmed 5 dead Russian citizens. They think that up to five could have been killed but
    they do not have confirmation about the citizenship of these individuals.

    I think Russia should plant an S-400 missile in a Yankeestani jet the next time that Uncle Scumbag decides to attack
    pro SAA forces. America is a f*cking paper tiger. It's cockiness comes from raping small 3rd world countries and not
    from real wars with potent adversaries.

    America is using the Kurds as a pretext to grab Syrian territory. But the Kurds have no rights to all the land east of
    the Euphrates.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  auslander on Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:17 pm

    There's only one problem with the US end of this saga. Story is they attacked to protect their 'allies' during an attack by Syrian forces. Here's the list, from the horse's mouth, of what they used in this sudden counterattack 'from the air'. Tell me what's wrong with this picture.

    F-15, AH-64, MQ-9, AC-130, B-52.


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