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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:16 pm


    Body of Pilot From Downed Russian Su-25 Brought to Russia - MoD

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/201802061061402971-su-25-pilot-body/

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:27 pm

    eehnie wrote:For Russia today is perfectly possible to abandon totally the CAS combat style.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4343p75-older-warfare-performance-and-short-mid-term-decommissions#215525

    What they should do is use UAV to locate targets and designate them with laser, and use Krasnopol to pinpoint bomb them from 20 km away behind front lines.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Militarov on Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:44 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    eehnie wrote:For Russia today is perfectly possible to abandon totally the CAS combat style.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4343p75-older-warfare-performance-and-short-mid-term-decommissions#215525

    What they should do is use UAV to locate targets and designate them with laser, and use Krasnopol to pinpoint bomb them from 20 km away behind front lines.

    Not sure if you are aware how little is 20km in mobile combat as it is now.

    Go and ask someone from recon units what he thinks about going to tag a target.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:43 am


    "Pilot of 2nd Su-25 tells how he covered major Filipov, as he was engaged in combat" (in Russian)

    https://ria.ru/syria/20180207/1514114545.html
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  auslander on Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:19 pm

    His wingman deserves a bauble or two also and rumor is he'll get something.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:12 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    eehnie wrote:For Russia today is perfectly possible to abandon totally the CAS combat style.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4343p75-older-warfare-performance-and-short-mid-term-decommissions#215525

    What they should do is use UAV to locate targets and designate them with laser, and use Krasnopol to pinpoint bomb them from 20 km away behind front lines.

    Not sure if you are aware how little is 20km in mobile combat as it is now.

    Go and ask someone from recon units what he thinks about going to tag a target.

    Almost all battles fought in Syria are within a few km. It'll also prevent collateral damage to civilians. Just shoot all of their pickup trucks and artillery and the war will be over. They won't fight on foot with AK-47.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos on Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:48 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    eehnie wrote:For Russia today is perfectly possible to abandon totally the CAS combat style.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4343p75-older-warfare-performance-and-short-mid-term-decommissions#215525

    What they should do is use UAV to locate targets and designate them with laser, and use Krasnopol to pinpoint bomb them from 20 km away behind front lines.

    Not sure if you are aware how little is 20km in mobile combat as it is now.

    Go and ask someone from recon units what he thinks about going to tag a target.

    Maybe a new Koalision with 70km guided shell could do the job. They could try it in live war. They probably have enough prototypes right now to send one or two in Syra. Not on the front but to protect the airbase.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:30 pm


    Russian Air Force pilot killed in Syria placed to final rest in southern Russian city

    More than 30,000 people came to the final farewell ceremony


    http://tass.com/society/989149

    VORONEZH, February 8. /TASS/. Major Roman Filipov, the pilot of the Russian Air Force who died on February 3 after his jet had been downed from a shoulder-carried missile launcher in in the Idlib de-escalation zone, has been placed to final rest in the city of Voronezh, some 600 km to the south of Moscow.

    More than 30,000 people came to the final farewell ceremony at the Officers’ Club in the Northern garrison town and 2,000 people proceeded to the Kominternovsky cemetery to attend his entombment.

    Maj. Filipov’s relatives, military people, schoolmates, clergymen, and members of Yunarmia young people’s association were among the attending members of the public.............
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:36 pm

    What they should do is use Mi-28N and stay close to friendly ground forces. They can land close by and get refueled and rearmed by friendly ground forces. They can blow up pickup trucks from more than 4 km away. Much safer than Su-25.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:52 pm

    http://www.stalkerzone.org/yulia-vityazeva-russian-fifth-columns-hysterics-wagner-mercenaries-syria/

    Russia's Fifth Column's Hysterics About "Wagner Mercenaries" in Syria. Debunking the lie about massive casualties in the ranks of Russian PMC.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:01 am

    miketheterrible wrote:http://www.stalkerzone.org/yulia-vityazeva-russian-fifth-columns-hysterics-wagner-mercenaries-syria/

    Russia's Fifth Column's Hysterics About "Wagner Mercenaries" in Syria. Debunking the lie about massive casualties in the ranks of Russian PMC.

    Big forking deal, even if they all got killed (which they definitely didn't) it's irelevant. That's what mercenaries are for

    Huge money=huge risk. It's in the job description.

    Pathetic liberal losers being pathetic liberal losers....


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:03 am

    well, its just the point of it all.

    You got people screaming about something that was proclaimed but no evidence of such. In reality, we have only heard of maybe 1 or 2 deaths of soldiers (ISIS Hunters) and the rest injured. If there were 100 dead, it would be rather easy to get a video and photos. If it was a dead Russian, we would get tons of videos and images. Yet, none.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  kvs on Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:04 am

    There are all sorts of suckers who believe any BS about Russia. For example, that Putin's is a secret billionaire. But nobody
    can provide any evidence of his holdings. If Putin was a money grubbing crook he would be the first to kiss Uncle Scumbag's
    ass. We can see this pattern in the form of grifter Navalny who is called "the opposition leader". The use of "the" is quite
    thick and rick by the NATO fakestream media.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:03 am

    kvs wrote:There are all sorts of suckers who believe any BS about Russia.  For example, that Putin's is a secret billionaire.   But nobody
    can provide any evidence of his holdings.   If Putin was a money grubbing crook he would be the first to kiss Uncle Scumbag's
    ass.   We can see this pattern in the form of grifter Navalny who is called "the opposition leader".   The use of "the" is quite
    thick and rick by the NATO fakestream media.

    Yeah, its friggin hilarious, made even funnier by the Putinophobes utter inability to find any of these 100s of billions of $/Euro/gold bars whatever that the Horned One has somehow "stolen" from the "people".... theyhave even attempted to claim that Putin is so devious as to "hide" his 'stolen wealth" in.... the BANK ACCOUNTS of other people!!! or putting "stolen property" and assets in other peoples names!!!

    Of course, the fact that doing such would make that wealth legally BELONG to those people and not the Horned One seems to be completely lost of these Putin-hater fuckwitz...... Very Happy

    Its all a huge farce, a propaganda campaign designed to smear and besmirch. We are supposed to set aside all critical thinking and just accept the premise that a man who we are told is an absolute dictator, with total control of the media, and who has no qualms about sending assassins after anyone who dares challenge his rule(Suspect), would somehow need to hide his "stolen wealth" where no-one can possibly find it, and would continue to live a relatively modest life without the trappings of immense wealth.... Putin maintains a private residence, a private vehicle, a country dacha... but no vast marble & gold encrusted palace like a Saudi royal would own... no fleets of silver plated luxury cars... no huge private yacht... no fleet of private jets... no real estate in Monte Carlo or the French Riviera.... for fuck sakes, I could continue all day.... Very Happy
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:01 am

    Another one that is funny that people are ignoring is Wagner company in itself.

    They say it's a Russian company. It isn't actually. The company is based in Taiwan. Not Russia. Because......PMC's are an illegal entity in Russia (this may change soon since a lot of pressure is being applied to Russian government and even people within government is pushing it). But who gives the contracts? Possibly Russia. But some speculate it's the US as well. Maybe not Taiwan. Maybe Argentina. Since they don't register as Russian.

    Most of what comes out about Wagner group, comes from Ukraine. So take it with a great amount of salt.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  MechanizedOne on Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:29 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    kvs wrote:There are all sorts of suckers who believe any BS about Russia.  For example, that Putin's is a secret billionaire.   But nobody
    can provide any evidence of his holdings.   If Putin was a money grubbing crook he would be the first to kiss Uncle Scumbag's
    ass.   We can see this pattern in the form of grifter Navalny who is called "the opposition leader".   The use of "the" is quite
    thick and rick by the NATO fakestream media.

    Yeah, its friggin hilarious, made even funnier by the Putinophobes utter inability to find any of these 100s of billions of $/Euro/gold bars whatever that the Horned One has somehow "stolen" from the "people"....  theyhave even attempted to claim that Putin is so devious as to "hide" his 'stolen wealth" in....  the BANK ACCOUNTS of other people!!!   or putting "stolen property" and assets in other peoples names!!!  

    Of course, the fact that doing such would make that wealth legally BELONG to those people and not the Horned One seems to be completely lost of these Putin-hater fuckwitz......  Very Happy

    Its all a huge farce, a propaganda campaign designed to smear and besmirch.  We are supposed to set aside all critical thinking and just accept the premise that a man who we are told is an absolute dictator, with total control of the media, and who has no qualms about sending assassins after anyone who dares challenge his rule(Suspect), would somehow need to hide his "stolen wealth" where no-one can possibly find it, and would continue to live a relatively modest life without the trappings of immense wealth....  Putin maintains a private residence, a private vehicle, a country dacha...  but no vast marble & gold encrusted palace like a Saudi royal would own... no fleets of silver plated luxury cars...  no huge private yacht...    no fleet of private jets...  no real estate in Monte Carlo or the French Riviera....  for fuck sakes, I could continue all day....  Very Happy

    The fact that most ordinary people in the West can't put two and two together like you've done here tells us just how extreme and extensive the propaganda machine is: it has gotten to the stage where even basic logic is superseded by political correctness or a "fear of going against the grain"...it is a tragic state of affairs I tell you...

    Some people think that the people are just being repressed and that a lot of westerners hold different viewpoints. To an extent that is true, but I think the younger generation in particular (which I am a member of) has just been so brainwashed by the media and so-called "education system" that I wouldn't be surprised if they actually BELIEVE 99 percent of the illogical crap spewed out as propaganda...


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:57 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Another one that is funny that people are ignoring is Wagner company in itself.

    They say it's a Russian company. It isn't actually. The company is based in Taiwan. Not Russia. Because......PMC's are an illegal entity in Russia (this may change soon since a lot of pressure is being applied to Russian government and even people within government is pushing it). But who gives the contracts? Possibly Russia. But some speculate it's the US as well.  Maybe not Taiwan. Maybe Argentina. Since they don't register as Russian.

    Most of what comes out about Wagner group, comes from Ukraine.  So take it with a great amount of salt.


    And Taiwan, or the so-called "Republic of China", is a long-time supporter of the Ukrainian nationalists.


    There might be perhaps even around 200 Wagner mercenaries killed.

    https://www.debka.com/200-russian-advisers-killed-last-weeks-clash-us-forces-syria/


    A video from the attack might be now available on Youtube.


    They apparently found evidence in the Nostradamus quatrains that the U.S.A., China, and the Arabs will defeat and destroy Russia. Could be a reason why they are so confident. And with Putin as leader I am not surprised.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Militarov on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:06 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Another one that is funny that people are ignoring is Wagner company in itself.

    They say it's a Russian company. It isn't actually. The company is based in Taiwan. Not Russia. Because......PMC's are an illegal entity in Russia (this may change soon since a lot of pressure is being applied to Russian government and even people within government is pushing it). But who gives the contracts? Possibly Russia. But some speculate it's the US as well.  Maybe not Taiwan. Maybe Argentina. Since they don't register as Russian.

    Most of what comes out about Wagner group, comes from Ukraine.  So take it with a great amount of salt.


    And Taiwan, or the so-called "Republic of China", is a long-time supporter of the Ukrainian nationalists.


    There might be perhaps even around 200 Wagner mercenaries killed.

    https://www.debka.com/200-russian-advisers-killed-last-weeks-clash-us-forces-syria/


    A video from the attack might be now available on Youtube.


    They apparently found evidence in the Nostradamus quatrains that the U.S.A., China, and the Arabs will defeat and destroy Russia. Could be a reason why they are so confident. And with Putin as leader I am not surprised.

    You must be kidding me... Debka file as source? Suspect
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:38 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Another one that is funny that people are ignoring is Wagner company in itself.

    They say it's a Russian company. It isn't actually. The company is based in Taiwan. Not Russia. Because......PMC's are an illegal entity in Russia (this may change soon since a lot of pressure is being applied to Russian government and even people within government is pushing it). But who gives the contracts? Possibly Russia. But some speculate it's the US as well.  Maybe not Taiwan. Maybe Argentina. Since they don't register as Russian.

    Most of what comes out about Wagner group, comes from Ukraine.  So take it with a great amount of salt.


    And Taiwan, or the so-called "Republic of China", is a long-time supporter of the Ukrainian nationalists.


    There might be perhaps even around 200 Wagner mercenaries killed.

    https://www.debka.com/200-russian-advisers-killed-last-weeks-clash-us-forces-syria/


    A video from the attack might be now available on Youtube.


    They apparently found evidence in the Nostradamus quatrains that the U.S.A., China, and the Arabs will defeat and destroy Russia. Could be a reason why they are so confident. And with Putin as leader I am not surprised.

    You must be kidding me... Debka file as source? Suspect

    Debka? That's hard science in this context, guy just dropped Nostradamus.... lol1
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Militarov on Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:09 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Another one that is funny that people are ignoring is Wagner company in itself.

    They say it's a Russian company. It isn't actually. The company is based in Taiwan. Not Russia. Because......PMC's are an illegal entity in Russia (this may change soon since a lot of pressure is being applied to Russian government and even people within government is pushing it). But who gives the contracts? Possibly Russia. But some speculate it's the US as well.  Maybe not Taiwan. Maybe Argentina. Since they don't register as Russian.

    Most of what comes out about Wagner group, comes from Ukraine.  So take it with a great amount of salt.


    And Taiwan, or the so-called "Republic of China", is a long-time supporter of the Ukrainian nationalists.


    There might be perhaps even around 200 Wagner mercenaries killed.

    https://www.debka.com/200-russian-advisers-killed-last-weeks-clash-us-forces-syria/


    A video from the attack might be now available on Youtube.


    They apparently found evidence in the Nostradamus quatrains that the U.S.A., China, and the Arabs will defeat and destroy Russia. Could be a reason why they are so confident. And with Putin as leader I am not surprised.

    You must be kidding me... Debka file as source? Suspect

    Debka? That's hard science in this context, guy just dropped Nostradamus.... lol1

    Reminds me of that series http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160277/
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:18 am

    Militarov wrote:......
    Reminds me of that series http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160277/

    Damn, talk about blast from the past, I actually enjoyed that one back in a day

    Oh the simple pleasures of being a teenager....
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie on Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:56 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:......
    Reminds me of that series http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160277/

    Damn, talk about blast from the past, I actually enjoyed that one back in a day

    Oh the simple pleasures of being a teenager....

    Of course both of you saw it in the Serbian TV. Lol. Not difficult to check.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:57 am

    Lenta: 11 Russians among dead in the US bombing raid in Deir ez Zor:

    https://lenta.ru/news/2018/02/14/vagner/

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:59 am

    As I wrote previously, only Russians die in Syria. No American deaths so far.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:39 am

    For me, as a supporter of Russia, it is highly frustrating to see things like this happen again and again.

    This bombing raid might not have killed official Russian servicemen, but it did kill Russian citizens. It should not have happened. Russia should not have allowed this to happen.

    And Russia should make the perpetrators pay the price for killing its citizens. But it won’t happen. The ones who killed Russians (whether in Ukraine or in Syria) will be left unpunished. No retaliation is to follow.

    And in the future the Russians will continue to die in Syria while the Americans won’t suffer any casualties. Why? Because nobody dares to mess with the US. They are feared and respected. Russia is not.

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