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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  medo on Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:46 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    He was obviously flying CAS, which limited pilots to URO for most part in RuAF. So he had to fly low, he had no other option with what he was given.

    They really need some reco pods. Even a simple camera with a zoom would be nice. The most advanced zoom in civilian market allow you to clearly zoom on the moon and see the details of it. Just see nikon coolpix p900.

    Looking for targets with eyes from less than 1km height is stupid.

    For fucks sakes, are you for real?

    You are aware that the Su-25 is equipped with sights, no? You seriously think its all eye sight, really?

    Unfortunately only new Su-25SM3 got new SOLT-25 targeting sight with TV and FLIR channels. All other Su-25 have only Klen laser rangefinder and marker, so they depend on their own eyes or outside target informations. RuAF have UAVs there to find targets. Su-25SM should just drop bombs from high altitude, like they did at the beginning of campaign. For unguided rockets strikes SAA should use Grads, Uragans and Smerches.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:38 am

    For even more Fucks sakes, why the hell don't Su-25SMs have DIRCMs while Russian helicopters do?
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:18 am

    You are aware that the Su-25 is equipped with sights, no? You seriously think its all eye sight, really?
    They should be good  at finding tanks in an open area but doesn't look good enough at finding men in an urban environment. They clearly use their eyes, the sights gives them a better covrage because it is under the plane but doesn't really help them because it isn't advanced, if he had to fly so low.

    For even more Fucks sakes, why the hell don't Su-25SMs have DIRCMs while Russian helicopters do?

    They should have equiped and tested all those new protection systems on these planes in syria. Or send the newest version of the su 25 and upgrade all the other. With the su-24 it is the most used fighter in operation.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie on Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:34 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    par far wrote:
    kvs wrote:Russia needs to slaughter thousands of jihadis to send them the message.   They will feel it even if they dream of
    f*cking 72 virgin goats in the afterlife.  

    I am a bit suspicious about the timing.   There appear to have been Turk attempts to grab SAA held territory and the Turks
    have shot down a Russian jet already.  

    RIP to the pilot.

    I don't think that Turkey would do something like this, they already are having a tough time against the Kurds and there are reports that the Turks tried to rescue the Russian pilot.

    In Idlib, the the Russian Air Force should only use advance d fighters like the SU 30 or the SU 34 because the terrorists have MANPADS, the Syrian Air force has no business being there, just be on the safe side.

    How did know the Turks it was a pilot to be rescued?

    About the MANPADS, every aircraft can avoid the MANPADS by altitude. Even the L-39. The case of the helicopters is different, it depends of the model.

    Unless you dispense flares, bomb, and fly out - you are open Target and easy takedown by manpads if you loitered the area. Unfortunately this looks like what happened.  You can't detect incoming IR/IIR missiles unless you have a camera that picks up the incoming object or UV sensors.  Neither which exists on current used jets.

    Flying higher than manpad allows in engagement is only other tactic used.

    Sad events that could been avoided if fly either higher or used flares and no loitering. Cost the pilot his life too.

    Good thing is the Russians are flattening the area.

    Syria has been until now one of the few present and future scenarios where Close Air Support fighting style was possible still, thanks to very low MANPAD density. Since now likely this fighting style will be used only in the pockets

    Other tactics at higher higher altitude will be used. Every aircraft used in Syria for combat purposes In the frontlines of areas in contact with the borders need to be used with high altitude tactics. Including the Su-25 and the L-39.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Militarov on Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:13 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:For even more Fucks sakes, why the hell don't Su-25SMs have DIRCMs while Russian helicopters do?

    Price cuts of modernisation package.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Militarov on Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:14 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    He was obviously flying CAS, which limited pilots to URO for most part in RuAF. So he had to fly low, he had no other option with what he was given.

    They really need some reco pods. Even a simple camera with a zoom would be nice. The most advanced zoom in civilian market allow you to clearly zoom on the moon and see the details of it. Just see nikon coolpix p900.

    Looking for targets with eyes from less than 1km height is stupid.

    For fucks sakes, are you for real?

    You are aware that the Su-25 is equipped with sights, no? You seriously think its all eye sight, really?

    For most part sadly yes, its eyesight.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  franco on Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:04 pm

    Enrico Ivanov@Russ_Warrior
    3 minutes ago

    Yesterday I mistakenly wrote that Roman Filipov served in Crimea when it was Ukrainian, this info was spread by some accounts on Russian social networks, in reality he was transferred to the peninsula from Vladivostok in 2014.
    I apologize.


    NOTE: By this he would have been with the Su-25SM squadron based at Gvardeiskyy with the 37th Aviation Regiment.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:33 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    He was obviously flying CAS, which limited pilots to URO for most part in RuAF. So he had to fly low, he had no other option with what he was given.

    They really need some reco pods. Even a simple camera with a zoom would be nice. The most advanced zoom in civilian market allow you to clearly zoom on the moon and see the details of it. Just see nikon coolpix p900.

    Looking for targets with eyes from less than 1km height is stupid.

    For fucks sakes, are you for real?

    You are aware that the Su-25 is equipped with sights, no? You seriously think its all eye sight, really?

    For most part sadly yes, its eyesight.

    The one flown I believe is SM so it does have SOLT-25 which is TV, Thermal, etc. Unless they didn't send in upgraded ones and using old ones.

    It becomes a headscracher though as to why they would give it a rather impressive replacement to KLEN to actual TV sight and what not, but not directly? Not like they are rather new or expensive compared to SOLT-25

    It was quoted though that the Su-25SM flies higher than what this guy was flying. It's believed he didn't think manpads would be in a "safe zone" which if I am reading right, it was supposed to be part of a ceasefire zone?

    Edit: the Su-25UBM uses a DIRCM system. While the Su-25SM doesn't....


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:44 pm

    Russia needs to use UCAV ASAP and stop risking pilots lives. Qaeda won't capture any pilots. Any pilots captured would only be executed.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:03 pm

    These pilots are at real risk if one of the videos of this incident is anything to go by. This plane was not overflying, it had just discharged a load of rockets. Putting it bluntly, this would make the pilot a definite target for stringing up, no Geneva Convention here.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  calm on Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:34 pm

    Russian pilot surrounded by animals blows himself up with grenade.

    before he did that he said:

    "Это вам за пацанов!" - "This is for the boys"

    at 0:03
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:40 pm

    JohninMK wrote:These pilots are at real risk if one of the videos of this incident is anything to go by. This plane was not overflying, it had just discharged a load of rockets. Putting it bluntly, this would make the pilot a definite target for stringing up, no Geneva Convention here.

    They trade everything between them in Syria. Maybe he could have survived if he has let them capture him. But it was his choice ... I'm against wars and Syria's situation is really tragic many dead for some stupid guys that find wars funny. RIP.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Regular on Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:29 pm

    Brave way to go out. Seeing aftermath I guess Islamic cunts would have done their worst to him. They were basically rebranded ISIS to begin with.
    I expect less SU-25 flying now and it's back to strikes from high altitudes by capable aircraft. Lack of modifications means one thing- Russia will get rid of 25s after they will reach their shelf life. Sad as it's really capable platform, but it's time for ducks to fly.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:06 pm

    Regular wrote:Brave way to go out. Seeing aftermath I guess Islamic cunts would have done their worst to him. They were basically rebranded ISIS to begin with.
    I expect less SU-25 flying now and it's back to strikes from high altitudes by capable aircraft. Lack of modifications means one thing- Russia will get rid of 25s after they will reach their shelf life. Sad as it's really capable platform, but it's time for ducks to fly.

    Should have had MAWS and flares. Russia should donate ex Russian Su-24 and Su-25 to SAA and transition to UCAV for the anti terrorism role. The US and China and Israel and Iran all have these.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Kimppis on Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:36 pm

    Regular wrote:Brave way to go out. Seeing aftermath I guess Islamic cunts would have done their worst to him. They were basically rebranded ISIS to begin with.
    I expect less SU-25 flying now and it's back to strikes from high altitudes by capable aircraft. Lack of modifications means one thing- Russia will get rid of 25s after they will reach their shelf life. Sad as it's really capable platform, but it's time for ducks to fly.

    Su-25SM3 is a thing, though and it seems to solve those issues. But it's not clear to me how many they are planning to order in total, by 2020 and 2025. Also, are they upgrading SMs to that standard or is their plan to operate both? 50/50 SMs and SM3s?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:11 pm


    Pilot of Russian Su-25 Blew Himself Up After Being Encircled by Terrorists - MoD

    Maj. Filippov will be posthumously conferred the Hero of Russia award, the Russian Defense Ministry Stated.


    https://sputniknews.com/world/201802051061363319-pilot-russia-su-25-blew-himself-up/

    .....“Upon landing after having ejected in the vicinity of the village […] under the control of terrorists, Major Roman Filippov fought an unequal battle during the final minutes of his life using his standard issue weapons. After being surrounded by the terrorists, seriously wounded, the Russian officer blew himself up with a grenade when the distance to the militants diminished to just a few tens of meters.".....


    His last stand and last words will be going down in history books and most likely collective memory as well.

    Funny how these  jihadist apes always get more than they bargained for when encountering Russian Military even under, for them, most auspicious circumstances.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:38 pm


    And rats are already squealing and screeching their usual script as they feel the ever increasing pain:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrias-idlib-province-pounded-by-russian-airstrikes-activists-say/2018/02/05/32b3f429-bae3-4d4b-ba12-df9a6181e64a_story.html?utm_term=.83fe46a2de8f
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  franco on Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:01 pm

    Check out a post 9 hours ago showing a Russian pilot in Syria showing off the weapons he carried in his survival gear. Included grenades...

    https://twitter.com/Olga_Clover4
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:03 pm

    Sad.


    Syria frontlines
    ‏ @SyriaWarReports
    3h3 hours ago

    Russian An-72 (RF-72949) landed in turkish #Hatay province. It's about Su-25 tragedy..




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:04 pm


    Ilya.A—Petya.A's bro
    ‏ @ain92ru
    2h2 hours ago

    New type of #UXO in #Irbeen (#Damascus suburb being assaulted by Assad's forces) today: 9N517F, the detachable chute-retarded HE warhead of the rare 9M53F 122 mm rocket. This one was produced in 1988, likely supplied from Russia recently.




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  kvs on Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:44 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    And rats are already squealing and screeching their usual script as they feel the ever increasing pain:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrias-idlib-province-pounded-by-russian-airstrikes-activists-say/2018/02/05/32b3f429-bae3-4d4b-ba12-df9a6181e64a_story.html?utm_term=.83fe46a2de8f

    Apparently there are more hospitals in "rebel held areas" than residential buildings. The same two-bit violin music
    about "hospitals" bombed in Aleppo being repeated for Idlib. How many cat sanctuaries are going to be destroyed
    this time?
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:03 pm

    Not seen this poster before, if the Turks get it there will be a race between the US and Russia to get possession.


    CasualtiesOfTheDay
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    CasualtiesOfTheDay Retweeted Ведомости

    Russia asks Turkey to help it recover the wreckage of the Su-25 downed in Idlib in order to trace the fragments of the MANPADS used and thereby find out who supplied it.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:04 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Sad.


    Syria frontlines
    ‏ @SyriaWarReports
    3h3 hours ago

    Russian An-72 (RF-72949) landed in turkish #Hatay province. It's about Su-25 tragedy..






    Ilya.A—Petya.A's bro
    ‏ @ain92ru
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    Ilya.A—Petya.A's bro Retweeted РБК

    Body of the Russian Su-25 pilot Roman Filipov shot down near #Maseran in #Idlib was brought to Moscow from Turkey yesterday – RBC citing multiple sources
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie on Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:07 pm

    For Russia today is perfectly possible to abandon totally the CAS combat style.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4343p75-older-warfare-performance-and-short-mid-term-decommissions#215525
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Airman on Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:50 pm

    The Russian Ministry of Defence has submitted a request to the Turkish side for assistance in getting back all fragments of the Su-25 jet that had been shot down by terrorist MANPAD over Idlib province, #SYRIA, on February 3 http://s.mil.ru/2E2YvOx
    https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/960826471240683520

    Russia asks Turkey to help recover debris of jet downed in Syria

    The Russian military said Tuesday that it asked Turkey to help recover the debris of the Russian fighter jet that was shot down over embattled northwestern Syrian province of Idlib over the weekend.

    Al-Qaida-linked militants on Saturday said they downed the Russian Su-25 in Idlib. Russian officials said the pilot engaged in a gunbattle with militants before blowing himself up with a hand grenade.

    "The Russian military sent a request to the Turkish side to assist in obtaining all the wreckage of the Russian Su-25 fighter jet shot down by terrorists Feb. 3 with a MANPADS in the airspace over the Syrian province of Idlib," the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

    The ministry added that it asked Turkey to help recover the debris in order to establish the type of weapons used to shoot down the jet.

    Moscow also said Turkey helped to return the body of the pilot back to Russia.
    Russia asks Turkey to help recover debris of jet downed in Syria

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