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    ultimatewarrior

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    LaVictoireEstLaVie wrote:In face of continued US aggression and provocations in the Middle East, Europe and elsewhere, what will Russia and the rest of the world do to confront this aggressor ?

    Will they sit idly by and let the US continue to do what it wants without consequences or will Russia and its allies finally act to confront , oppose, defy and necessarily defeat the aggressor?

    Russia will do smart thing and will look after their own interests and security and let Middle East, Europe and rest of the world look after themselves.

    If someone has issues with USA aggression then they should deal with it themselves.

    Russia has it's own stuff to do, days of USSR charity services are long gone, not that anyone ever shown any gratitude for it... (And why should they? Sheep are meant to be sheared)

    Can we ban this troll already?
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:36 pm

    Look closely at the 'team hit' video.

    After they had decamped from one vehicle and had got into the second waiting for them in front of the building, just before the explosion the shadow of a third vehicle, top left of frame, suddenly jumps as if the film had been edited at a rather crucial point.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:59 pm

    GarryB wrote:Yes, no warning possible really... in fact you only know it is a krasnopol shot for the last 3-4 seconds or so when the laser is turned on.

    Soviet and Russian laser guided weapons don't use continuous laser marking like the western weapons do... generally a direct fire weapon has 1 second of lasing of the target before impact while indirect fire laser guided rounds have about 3 seconds of target marking so the rounds still have to be aimed at the target, but the target gets rather less warning of the attack.

    Unlike its US equivalent of copperhead the Krasnopol has an optical cap that protects its nose mounted optics so it is actually handled and loaded like a standard round. The optical cap is ejected in flight to the target so there is rather less chance of damage and less chance the operator can make a mistake like forgetting to remove the cap before firing.

    AFAIK even the French use that round in a 155mm calibre model that is compatible with French laser target markers.

    Or it was not Krasnopol but this guy in real life testing? 


    The Russian projectile with a jet engine will hit the enemy for 70 km

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2017/11/70.html
    The record range of shooting - 70 or more kilometers - is achieved by supplementing the design of the ammunition with a straight-flow rocket engine of the bottom or head location. The engine turns on after a short time after the shot, at the time when the projectile is already stabilized by rotation, and increases its speed on the trajectory.




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  franco on Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:00 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Look closely at the 'team hit' video.

    After they had decamped from one vehicle and had got into the second waiting for them in front of the building, just before the explosion the shadow of a third vehicle, top left of frame, suddenly jumps as if the film had been edited at a rather crucial point.

    Good eye and I'm not even sure if the original passenger vehicle is still there at impact.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Regular on Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:20 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Look closely at the 'team hit' video.

    After they had decamped from one vehicle and had got into the second waiting for them in front of the building, just before the explosion the shadow of a third vehicle, top left of frame, suddenly jumps as if the film had been edited at a rather crucial point.
    Noticed that too. Arty shells take time to arrive and my understanding is whoever edited the video cut the away dead air after target was spotted and identified.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  kvs on Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:42 pm

    Regular wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Look closely at the 'team hit' video.

    After they had decamped from one vehicle and had got into the second waiting for them in front of the building, just before the explosion the shadow of a third vehicle, top left of frame, suddenly jumps as if the film had been edited at a rather crucial point.
    Noticed that too. Arty shells take time to arrive and my understanding is whoever edited the video cut the away dead air after target was spotted and identified.

    Also, this delay timing information should not be given away to Russia's enemies.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Look closely at the 'team hit' video. ....

    Good pick up Smile

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    Looks like a Forpost UAV was shot down...apparently by a Zu-23-2




    http://in24.org/world/30302?utm_source=warfiles.ru
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:21 am

    Cyberspec wrote:..........

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    Looks like a Forpost UAV was shot down...apparently by a Zu-23-2
    .........
    http://in24.org/world/30302?utm_source=warfiles.ru

    Meh.... that's what drones are for.... Sleep
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:24 am

    MOD brieffing on the drone attack...they suspect Ukraine supplied the explosive for the manufacture of the drone munitions

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:13 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Look closely at the 'team hit' video. ....

    Good pick up Smile

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    Looks like a Forpost UAV was shot down...apparently by a Zu-23-2




    http://in24.org/world/30302?utm_source=warfiles.ru

    This is the israeli model of UAV that Russia is operating, if I'm not wrong.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:39 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:MOD brieffing on the drone attack...they suspect Ukraine supplied the explosive for the manufacture of the drone munitions


    Ukraine is not the main responsible under these attacks. They would do it before in Novorussia.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  ult on Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:26 pm

    Unedited video of the Krasnopol strike on those terrorists. They didn't get away. The original video had like 5 seconds cut out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1x0pkzvyn0&feature=youtu.be&t=5m53s
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:27 pm

    eehnie wrote:

    http://in24.org/world/30302?utm_source=warfiles.ru
    This is the israeli model of UAV that Russia is operating, if I'm not wrong.

    Yes, Russian built version of the Searcher II

    Ukraine is not the main responsible under these attacks. They would do it before in Novorussia

    The type of explosive used in the drone munitions is not widely available. It's produced in Ukraine among a few other places hence they suspect it might have been supplied from there....but yeah, no definite proof so far
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:01 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Look closely at the 'team hit' video.

    After they had decamped from one vehicle and had got into the second waiting for them in front of the building, just before the explosion the shadow of a third vehicle, top left of frame, suddenly jumps as if the film had been edited at a rather crucial point.

    This perfectly fits in your role.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  ult on Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:20 pm

    Do those conspiracy theorists even watch videos? There is a full version of the strike available.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  d_taddei2 Yesterday at 10:39 pm

    More detailed info on drones

    I posted on anti air defence thread on here about swarm attacks saying it was a threat. And everyone said it was nonsense and that cheap swarm of drones posed no threat. I guess they were wrong I might not know as much as some people on here about air defence but I did serve in the military and understand things on the ground not in an arm chair. And before you say it yes these drones were taken down but it gave the Russians a bit of a scare and that was 13 drones what happens if 50 are sent?

    http://www.janes.com/article/77013/russians-reveal-details-of-uav-swarm-attacks-on-syrian-bases?utm_campaign=PC6110_E18%20DF%20NL%20Airforces%2016_01_18&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Big_Gazza Yesterday at 11:28 pm

    ...then they destroy or capture 50 instead of 13.

    Drone swarm tactics will likely lead to accelerated development of guided 57mm rounds and fusing tech to allow defeat of drones by air-burst/frag. Also further developments of EW/ECM platforms. This swarm attack may have caught the Russians (partly) by surprise but they acquitted themselves well, and doubtlessly disappointed the Jihadis US/HATO handlers.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  kvs Today at 12:26 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:...then they destroy or capture 50 instead of 13.

    Drone swarm tactics will likely lead to accelerated development of guided 57mm rounds and fusing tech to allow defeat of drones by air-burst/frag.  Also further developments of EW/ECM platforms.  This swarm attack may have caught the Russians (partly) by surprise but they acquitted themselves well, and doubtlessly disappointed the Jihadis US/HATO handlers.

    Indeed. This was supposed to be some epic attack by the "rag tag band of freedom fighters" which was going to become a Hollywood movie.
    But once again the mud hut dwellers from Russia stopped the cat even getting out of the bag. And then mopped up the bag handlers.
    Hollywood is not going to make a movie about losers, losing, big time.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  KiloGolf Today at 2:10 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:...then they destroy or capture 50 instead of 13.

    Drone swarm tactics will likely lead to accelerated development of guided 57mm rounds and fusing tech to allow defeat of drones by air-burst/frag.  Also further developments of EW/ECM platforms.  This swarm attack may have caught the Russians (partly) by surprise but they acquitted themselves well, and doubtlessly disappointed the Jihadis US/HATO handlers.

    +1

    Such UAVs are just too slow to make a difference 10, 20 even 100. Russia has covered their base's air defense with low altitude radar detection  and lots of Pantsirs to go for the kill. I'd assume Tors are also there (maybe not as much advertised). And I'm pretty sure the whole region if filled with those elevated Flap Lids and Clam Shells (part of the S-300/400 unified ADS).
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  miketheterrible Today at 4:39 am

    I have not seen a Tor pictured though.

    Pantsir makes more sense anyway.

    Im intrigued about the 57mm air defense system though.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie Today at 5:31 am

    With the very likely exhaustion of the Yak-Pchela-1 UAV in Syria:
    1.- Only 92 units where produced, of which some were exhausted, destroyed (Chechnya,...) or exported to North Korea.
    2.- Every aircraft can be used only a limited number of times, 5 if Im not wrong.

    http://www.yak.ru/ENG/FIRM/hist3.php

    The Israeli UAV used by Russia becomes the second oldest technologically of the entire Russian arsenal of UAVs, only after the Tu-143.

    Then, the intense use by Russia of the Israeli UAV in Syria is assured.

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