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    Cyberspec

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:08 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Six Russian Long-Range Bombers Strike Daesh Command Posts in Deir-ez-Zor

    Russian long-range aviation has targeted Daesh targets in the town of Abu Kemal in the province of Deir ez-Zor for the second day in a row.

    6 x bombs each...although they seem bigger than the ones dropped on earlier occassions


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    Latakia or DeZ??
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:36 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Six Russian Long-Range Bombers Strike Daesh Command Posts in Deir-ez-Zor

    Russian long-range aviation has targeted Daesh targets in the town of Abu Kemal in the province of Deir ez-Zor for the second day in a row.

    6 x bombs each...although they seem bigger than the ones dropped on earlier occassions
    ......

    Yeah, these seem to be the go-to model lately. Which ones are they?


    Latakia or DeZ??

    No buildings, no trees, no mountains. Definitely no Latakia.

    Also, no way anyone without Russian uniform would be taking selfies in Latakia.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:33 am

    Looks like the third raid in three days and more Kalibr than I've seen mentioned.

    MOSCOW, November 3. /TASS/. Six Russian Tupolev-22M3 bombers and The Kolpino submarine have carried out a massive strike against militants of the Islamic State (terrorist group outlawed in Russia) in Syria, Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said on Friday.

    "Long-range bombers Tupolev-22 and the submarine The Kolpino have dealt a massive missile and air strike against the infrastructure and militants of the Islamic State near Abu Kamal. Six strategic bombers Tupolev-22 and six submarine-launched cruise missiles Kalibr hit terrorists’ fortifications, weapons and ammunition depots, manpower and command centers," he said.

    Konashenkov described the losses suffered by a major Islamic State group near Abu Kamal as very heavy. "This enabled General Hassan Suheil’s assault forces to launch active offensive operations with the aim to wipe out the Islamic State’s last stronghold in the east of Syria," Konashenkov said.

    The submarine The Kolpino launched the Kalibr missiles from a submerged position at a distance of more than 650 kilometers. Participating in the missile and air strike were Sukhoi-24 and Sukhoi-34 bombers from the Khmeymim air base. The Sukhoi-30SM, Sukhoi-35 and MiG-29 fighters of the Russian Aerospace Group in Syria provided protection for the operation.

    As he reviewed the statistics of air strikes made over the past three days Konashenkov said that Tupolev-22 bombers hit Islamic State terrorists in the east of Syria eighteen times. The submarines The Veliki Novgorod and The Kolpino, currently in the Mediterranean, launched nine cruise missiles Kalibr.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:39 am

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    Did Veliki Novgorod sub even bother to visit it's new headquarters in Sevastopol since it entered Med because I don't remember it doing anything else than Kalibrating terrorists?

    Did they just say "meh, we're good here, fuel and fresh missiles are in Tartus, let's do some overtime"? Very Happy
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  calm on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:57 am

    Cyberspec wrote:

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Latakia or DeZ??

    Kweiris airport, helicopter wreckage visible in a backgrounds, he is there for years.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  calm on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:59 am

    Again



    + low quality drone video of Kalibr strikes.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:03 pm

    There was a mention of Mig-29 I presume this was syrian airforce mig or has Russia actually sent mig-29SMT and if they have any info of it being used for ground attack?


    Also I see Israel is at it again firing artillery in support of terrorist scum near golan heights allowing to break the siege on beit jinn through a slim corridor. Although SAA have recovered most of the ground back. That Beit Jinn pocket needs closing asap
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  medo on Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:38 pm

    There was a video of new MiG-29SMT in Latakia.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:55 pm

    medo wrote:There was a video of new MiG-29SMT in Latakia.

    I saw that but I thought it hadn't been confirmed. Also has it been used for ground attack missions? If so shame no news on it.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:38 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:'
    Did Veliki Novgorod sub even bother to visit it's new headquarters in Sevastopol since it entered Med because I don't remember it doing anything else than Kalibrating terrorists?

    Did they just say "meh, we're good here, fuel and fresh missiles are in Tartus, let's do some overtime"? Very Happy
    I am sure that in the back of your mind you know the Montreal Treaty on the Bosphorus off by heart Smile

    Submarines are only allowed to exit the Black Sea, once in it, for major maintenance work. So the new submarines on their way to join the Black Sea Fleet are kept by the Russians off Syria either until they are replaced or the conflict ends.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:06 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Yeah, these seem to be the go-to model lately. Which ones are they?

    They look like FAB-500M-62 aerial bombs

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:59 pm

    The 62 model bombs are aerodynamic for external carriage on fighterbombers... the flat nosed 54 models are for internal bomb bay use.

    Interesting that they are using bombs designed for external carriage internally.

    The rate of descent will be different which I suspect the bombing system will allow for.

    Perhaps they are running out of 54 model bombs or they just wanted to use up some later 62 model bombs that are getting old.

    Note 62 and 54 does not mean that was when they were made.... that is the design shape of them.. they were both produced massively, with the 54 models used on subsonic types like the Su-25 and helicopters and internally in aircraft that could carry bombs internally, while the 62 models were carried on faster types like the MIGs (15/17/21/23/27) and Sukhois (7/17/20/22/24/34).


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie on Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:05 am

    At this point it is sure the war in Syria is cleaning the stocks of the oldest ammunitions. Land and air ammunitions. The oldest stocks and models of ammunition should be also exhausted in this war. If there is still some ammunition of models of the 1950s will be exhausted fast.

    The 54 and 62 designations would not be the year of production, but are related to the year of adoption of the ammunition.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  calm on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:33 am

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:42 pm

    As heavily loaded as we have seen any of them southbound, Alexandr Otrakovskiy leaving Sevastopol yesterday.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:45 pm

    The 54 and 62 designations would not be the year of production, but are related to the year of adoption of the ammunition.

    They identify the type of ammo... the 54s have flat noses and are shorter and are designed for internal carriage in weapons bays, but also for external carriage on subsonic platforms like CAS aircraft and helicopters.... AFAIK they are still in production.

    The 62s are a more aerodynamic shape with a pointy nose and are designed to be carried externally on fast aircraft including Su-35 and Su-24 and other aircraft.

    The short nose of the 54s allows them to fit better on multiple ejector racks and internal bays so a Tu-22M3 might carry them internally and on external multiple bomb ejector racks under its main pylons.

    Model 62 and model 54 style bombs are still made today.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:08 pm


    Video about sappers and journalist that got injured, footage of incident, all wounded alive:

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  eehnie on Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The 54 and 62 designations would not be the year of production, but are related to the year of adoption of the ammunition.

    They identify the type of ammo... the 54s have flat noses and are shorter and are designed for internal carriage in weapons bays, but also for external carriage on subsonic platforms like CAS aircraft and helicopters.... AFAIK they are still in production.

    The 62s are a more aerodynamic shape with a pointy nose and are designed to be carried externally on fast aircraft including Su-35 and Su-24 and other aircraft.

    The short nose of the 54s allows them to fit better on multiple ejector racks and internal bays so a Tu-22M3 might carry them internally and on external multiple bomb ejector racks under its main pylons.

    Model 62 and model 54 style bombs are still made today.

    You can see what I was saying here:

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=es&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/aviabomb/data/ic_nomenrussiaaviabomb/16/&usg=ALkJrhjvvlo0-ONKNlAqlVJqWF-E6LMxLQ

    The FAB M-54 of different weights were adopted in 1954 or 1955. The FAB M-62 of different weights were adopted in 1962 or 1963.

    There is not contradition.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:43 am

    What I was t was trying to say was that the 54 and 62 do not denote the dates these bombs were made, they denote the dates these designs were introduced and indicate whether the weapon is for external supersonic or internal/subsonic platforms.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:08 am

    Yet another big load of Russian trucks for Syria. Cranking up the SAA's logistical capabilities. Contents of lower deck unknown but not heavy given the ride height of the ship.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:52 am

    According to people in the know 2 KIA 3 WIA.

    The cell was made of locals. Syrian Interior Ministry is on the task.
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:54 am

    From Gerasimov's speech the other day in regards to Syria;

    "Many officers of the Armed Forces have acquired combat experience. All the commanders of the military districts, combined arms armies and air and air defense armies, almost all divisional commanders and more than half of the commanders of combined arms brigades and regiments passed through the grouping of troops with their collective staffs. They received combat practice in the management of troops, the organization of inter-service interaction, as well as the integrated use of reconnaissance, command and fire weapons.

    Practically all the flight personnel of the operational-tactical and army aviation acquired combat experience. Many of them showed themselves to be real air aces."
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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #12

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:59 am

    First reports that Mig-31's have joined the Russian Air Base in Syria.Would suspect to ensure non-interference from foreign air forces in Syria and Lebanon, as the war against ISIS winds down and the next phase starts.

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