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    State Armament Program 2018-2027

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    Vote (multiple choice allowed) for the type of material that in your opinion will remain in the Russian Armed Forces after the end of 2025, and leave without vote the material that will be totally out of the Russian Armed Forces, including of the reserve:

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    marcellogo

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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  marcellogo on Wed May 16, 2018 1:27 am

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    dino00 wrote:Is the Mig 41 going forward or didnt make SAP 2018-2027?

    Given that even the production Su-57 with objekt 30 would commence in the (very beginning of) SAP 2021-2030, just not.

    But there is not anything worrisome in that as to have anything new inserted in the SAP 2018-2027 you would need to have it ready for serial production in year 2020 at last, otherwise its production  will fall into SAP 2021-2030.
    Damage was already done/absorbed by the slipping the SAP beginning from 2016 to 2018, production of the item comprised in SAP  2011-2020 is the more the less on schedule (almost for what the air force is concerned), so the final result would be to have the SAP 2018-2027 quite empty with many of the projects it would have envisaged before the Ukraina crisis skipped in the 2021-2030 one.
    In practical terms the levels (of available military hardware) that should have been reached in 2025 would be shifted to 2027 but almost all that would have been produced for 2030 would be on schedule on that date.

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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  Austin on Wed May 16, 2018 7:52 am

    Russia’s New State Armament Programme Implications for the Russian Armed Forces and Military Capabilities to 2027

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/files/chathamhouse/publications/research/2018-05-10-russia-state-armament-programme-connolly-boulegue.pdf
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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  eehnie on Wed May 16, 2018 9:46 am

    marcellogo wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Is the Mig 41 going forward or didnt make SAP 2018-2027?

    Given that even the production Su-57 with objekt 30 would commence in the (very beginning of) SAP 2021-2030, just not.

    But there is not anything worrisome in that as to have anything new inserted in the SAP 2018-2027 you would need to have it ready for serial production in year 2020 at last, otherwise its production  will fall into SAP 2021-2030.
    Damage was already done/absorbed in the slipping the SAP beginning from 2015 to 2017, production of the item comprised in SAP  2011-2020 is the more the less on schedule, so the final result would be to have the SAP 2017-2028 quite empty with many of the projects it would have envisaged before the Ukraina crisis skipped in the 2021-2030 one.
    In practical terms the levels (of available military hardware) that should have been reached in 2025 would be shifted to 2027 but almost all that would have been produced for 2030 would be on schedule on that date.

    Not sure of what you mean but to include the MiG-41 in the State Armamet Program 2018-2027 is necessary to continue its development. First fly by 2025 is realistic. And serial production by the end of the 2020s too. But for it, the development of the project must continue and this only can be done with the project included in the State Armament Program 2018-2027. And there is not doubt  that the development will continue under the State Armament Program 2018-2027.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201712201159-ipn8.htm
    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Ftvzvezda.ru%2Fnews%2Fopk%2Fcontent%2F201712201159-ipn8.htm

    The Russian interceptor MiG-41 will become the fastest fighter in the world
    Vadim Kolesnikov 12:04 12/12/2017
    The head of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, Viktor Bondarev, said that the new long-range intercept aircraft complex will be represented.
    Российский перехватчик МиГ-41 станет самым быстрым истребителем в мире
    Photo: Alexey Ivanov / TRK Zvezda
    The MiG-41, a long-range long-range intercept aircraft complex - PAC DP, will be the fastest fighter in the world and will be able to deal with hypersonic missiles, Senator Viktor Bondarev told Interfax.

    "It is assumed that the MiG-41 will be the fastest in the world, the most invisible for radars. It will be able to withstand not only standard low-maneuverable threats like cruise missiles, bombers, drones, but also threats from hypersonic missiles, "said the former commander of the Russian Air Force.

    According to him, the range of PAK DP is laid in the range from 700 to 1500 kilometers. The armament will be the R-37 air-to-air missile, as well as the next-generation missiles.

    "The MiG-41 is under development. About his admission to the troops to speak prematurely, but most likely it will not be until 2025, "added Bondarev.

    It is assumed that the MiG-41 should replace the MiG-31 interceptor, whose service life expires in 2028.

    Recall, in mid-December, the general designer of the United Aircraft Corporation Sergei Korotkov said that the work on the establishment of PAK DP may begin as early as next year.

    At the moment there is a process of discussing the technical assignment for the aircraft between the developer of RAC "MiG" and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It is not excluded that the future interceptor will be able to perform tasks in near space . ■

    Viktor Nikolaevich Bondarev
    (Russian: Виктор Николаевич Бондарев; born December 7, 1959, in Voronezh, USSR) is a Colonel General[1] and former Commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces (1 August 2015 - 26 September 2017)


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    SeigSoloyvov

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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed May 16, 2018 3:21 pm

    Mig-41 did not make the 18-27 SAP,

    No official confirmation has ever been seen, Ilya Tarasenko said who is mig head, said the first unit would be produced in 2025.

    However this guy doesn't speak for the Government, I have not seen any official Russian Defense official said the Mig-41 is happening in that time frame, so as of now, the answer is no.

    Perhaps that may change in the future but that isn't the case now.
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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed May 16, 2018 3:27 pm

    It's mostly a private initiative. Currently, a replacement isn't much needed as MiG-31's still have life in them. Initial R&D is happening but we won't see or hear much till we get closer to 2030. My guess. By then, various technologies in Russia would have matured, new materials and ultimately new visions. They may skip it and just use an improved Su-57 variant in the future. Or maybe they will use a drone concept?

    I would say, for sake of Mikoyan and the fact that the MiG-31 is a solid jet, is to build a new variant, using a lot of new technologies from today - new radar, modernized engines, more composites, etc etc. But all is acessments right now.
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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  eehnie on Wed May 16, 2018 3:49 pm

    I edited my previous message to include the content of the link posted, and a reference about Viktor Bondarev. The article is of December 2017. Also there is other article of April 2018 in the same line.

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t3335p175-mig-41-new-interceptor#225356
    https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/mig-41/
    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fmilitaryarms.ru%2Fvoennaya-texnika%2Faviaciya%2Fmig-41%2F

    ...
    05/04/2018
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    Earlier this year, Vice President of the Russian United Aircraft Corporation Sergei Korotkov told reporters that work on the creation of a new MiG-41 fighter was continuing.  According to him, this will be a new generation machine that will replace the MiG-31 high-altitude fighter interceptor developed in the mid-1970s.  Also Korotkov said that in the creation of a new car, not only designers OKB im.  Mikoyan, but also representatives of other enterprises of the national defense industry.

    Developments are carried out in accordance with the assignment that was prepared by the Russian Ministry of Defense, that is, no work is initiated on initiative (and it has often happened in the past) it is not. The military really needs a new aircraft to replace the deserved MiG-31. No additional information, which at least slightly opened the veil of secrecy over the prospective fighter, the official did not tell reporters.

    The traslation is not very good, but is clear enough.
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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  LMFS on Wed May 16, 2018 10:10 pm

    Link to a research paper on GPV 2027:

    Russia’s New State Armament Programme
    Implications for the Russian Armed Forces and Military Capabilities to 2027

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/files/chathamhouse/publications/research/2018-05-10-russia-state-armament-programme-connolly-boulegue.pdf

    Posted by user Austin in Keypub forum, don't know if it is the same Austin posting here also...
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    miketheterrible

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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed May 16, 2018 11:15 pm

    It's same Austin. He also posted same thing here already. It's from a British organization. So don't have any faith in it.
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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  LMFS on Wed May 16, 2018 11:33 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:It's same Austin. He also posted same thing here already. It's from a British organization. So don't have any faith in it.
    Ok, thanks!
    I would prefer Russian sources but the language is a BIG limitation finding and understanding them properly. Will take what makes sense from the paper and that's it
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    miketheterrible

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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu May 17, 2018 5:22 am

    Its speculations as foreign entities, especially those who are hostile to Russia, wont provide either a full picture or they do not have access to sensitive info.
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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  George1 on Thu May 17, 2018 7:54 am

    Vladimir Putin discussed the problems of rearmament of the Navy

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3201649.html


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    Re: State Armament Program 2018-2027

    Post  ZoA on Sat May 19, 2018 8:08 pm

    George1 wrote:Vladimir Putin discussed the problems of rearmament of the Navy

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3201649.html

    Frankly i dont know what is there to talk about. This is the issue for FSB that should be rounding up management of shipyards and subcontractors for some badly needed interrogations.

    In fact this entire shit show of sabotage and wrecking that is Russian shipbuilding industry remands me of this:
    https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/ezhov080439eng.html

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