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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  franco on Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:11 pm

    Matios: non-combat losses of the Armed Forces since 2014 exceeded 10 thousand people

    As the chief military prosecutor of Ukraine Anatoly Matios, the non-combat losses of the Armed Forces and other paramilitary forces since 2014, when the power operation in the Donbass began, to the present moment have exceeded 10 thousand people.

    I now want to voice terrible statistics, which no one talks about. Since 2014, and still in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU) and other units that protect the country, 10,103 people died as a result of irreversible and sanitary losses, that is, not from military operations
    - he said on the air of the television channel Zik.

    Matios admitted that "two full-fledged brigades were killed" only because the servicemen did not comply with the requirements of charters and instructions or committed crimes, including against each other. He also stated that up to 360,000 participants in a power operation in the east of Ukraine suffer from the post-traumatic syndrome.

    The state has lost a credit of trust among the society as a whole, and among the military particulars. Consequently, the people no longer believe in the representatives of the authorities, which he chose, because the state can not protect its people
    - said the chief military prosecutor.

    Combat losses of the APU for the whole period of the power operation in the Donbass, according to official figures, are about 3.8 thousand people.

    The reconnaissance of forces proclaimed by the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics (the People's Republic of China and the People's Republic of Hungary) regularly reports the lack of discipline in the armed forces units, cases of looting and violence against civilians in the region. In addition, in the ranks of the Ukrainian army, there was an increase in cases of losses due to alcohol abuse and careless handling of weapons.

    A frequent cause of death and injuries, according to the republics of Donbass, are also armed clashes between servicemen and militants of nationalist battalions that are in the Donbass, reports TASS


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:04 pm

    10.000 non-combat loses?

    No wonder NAF is taking it easy...Cool
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  medo on Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:44 pm



    Ukraine is very quickly depopulate itself. There was 52 million people in Ukraine in 1991, but now there are around 22 to 25 million people. From January 1st Ukraine will introduce new health reform, which will kill millions more Ukrainians in very short time together with freezing and hunger. It will not last long, when Novorussia will have bigger population and economy comparing to the rest of Ukraine and with that of course more powerful army. With such decline Ukraine have no chance to win a war against Novorussia.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:38 pm

    Good if true.

    WASHINGTON D.C, US. The United States has put on pause the question of providing Ukraine with lethal weapons, writes The Washington Post.

    The article notes, in particular, that after several months of negotiations and consultations, the administration of President Donald Trump has so far denied Kiev what it needs to repel "Russian aggression."

    "This increases doubts about the willingness of the American president to oppose his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin," the material underlines.

    The publication reminds that the Obama administration was similarly concerned that the increase in military aid for Ukraine would slow down the diplomatic progress and could aggravate the crisis.


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/10/unexpected-us-halts-provision-of-lethal.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:10 am

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    What's all this then? lol1

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2925688.html



    That's some heavy duty Russia ties severing right there Razz
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:53 am

    PapaDragon wrote:'That's some heavy duty Russia ties severing right there Razz

    Looks great for a grocery delivery truck

    More succesful severing of ties...

    Ukraines "Pennsylvanian" coal came from Novorossiysk
    http://www.stalkerzone.org/ukraines-pennsylvanian-coal-came-novorossiysk/

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    Post  VARGR198 on Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:15 pm

    In typical Ukraine fashion "New" engines turned out to be far from it.
    https://southfront.org/35-ukrainian-army-t-64-tanks-broke-down-after-few-days-on-firing-ground/
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:36 pm

    Seeing twitter indications that UA shelling has increased again in the past 24-48 hours with movement of heavy artillery and tanks back into the gray zone.
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    Post  franco on Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:27 pm

    For those trying to follow what is happening presently in 404 land, an interesting view.

    Putin's multiversion: the war of all against all can begin in Kiev
    November 1, 2017

    Yesterday's morning did not foretell anything unusual in Kiev. The media vied with each other about which Kremlin tower and why Amin Okuyev (Natasha Nikiforova) killed the "people's heroine of Ukraine" the night before, and how this could end on the scale of the "world revolution". The thunder struck at about 10 am when Interior Minister Arsen Avakov announced that he was removing the protection of the Maidan. And after this statement the events began to develop simply with kaleidoscopic speed.

    Ultimatum to the Maidan

    Avakov's statement, in fact, was shah and mate Maidan Mikhail Saakashvili. The regime of Poroshenko outplayed the ex-president of Georgia and was preparing to inflict that last suicidal blow. Any further move of the "patriots" entrenched before the Rada was a losing one.

    In fact, there were exactly two variants. Either the "opposition" occupies an empty and almost unguarded parliament and becomes outlawed and quickly cleaned up, or the group of "patriots" who are not protected by anybody is forced to leave the "hooligans" who come from behind.

    In any case, Saakashvili lost, and Washington lost even what he managed to achieve with such difficulty for September-October 2017. This put an end to any continuation of antiporoshenko's protests in autumn and winter, and in spring it is practically impossible to raise the population of Ukraine to the Maydan. Thus, Kiev, with its unconventional move, could secure for itself almost a year of quiet rule. To the joy of Moscow, and unfortunately the United States.

    Roles have changed

    Why did it happen that today Moscow is trying with all its might to retain the power of Petro Poroshenko who declared to it (unofficially, of course) the war, and the formal ally of the regime is looking for ways for its demolition?

    The fact is that over the past three years, much has changed in Ukraine. Russia, like Syria in Ukraine, needs peace and stability. Already, almost everything is ready to begin its reconquista in the western direction and for the end of the preparation, it is literally two years of tranquility.

    Petro Poroshenko also wants to sit quietly for his presidential term. He understands that he is the main problem of Washington today and he really does not want to become another "bloody dictator" in the history of Ukraine. That is, the local interests of Kiev and Moscow coincided. And everything would have been good for them, if not for the Americans, who really did not like their new role - the "third extra".

    The first year of rule for the 45th US President Donald Trump was difficult. He inherited from his predecessor a very difficult foreign policy inheritance. Russia's offensive in the Middle East, China has intensified over the past years, a dead end in Ukraine, the European front. All this had to be cleared and corrected, and at the same time, the presidential race of the "democrats" was constantly parried by the losers of the losers.

    The MihoMaidan Project

    So, by the time Donald Trump could start solving the Ukrainian problem, much had already been lost. From the former 100% of control over Kiev there were only memories. Russia was almost ready to return to Ukraine, and the United States lost most of the tools that had previously allowed them to control any Ukrainian regime.

    In 2017, despite the official rhetoric, the most persecuted in Kiev were not the "pro-Russian" oligarchs Medvedchuk and Novinsky, but pro-American political projects led by Saakashvili and Levochkin.

    The return of Mikhail Saakashvili to Ukraine and a desperate attempt to rock the Kiev regime is, in fact, a game of all-in. An attempt to depress Poroshenko's regime until he finally got stronger and sent his former sponsors away with their irrepressible appetites to control everything and everywhere.

    But, whether Saakashvili is not the same or Poroshenko is much smarter than Yanukovich, the attempt to weaken the Kiev regime with the help of the Georgian maidan failed. The population could not understand why an anti-corruption court should be there when the war and the refrigerator are empty in the yard.
    That is why, despite the PR and good preparation already by the second week of existence, Saakashvili's organized Maydan was blown away. By the end of the second week, even the last Kiev homeless people realized that nothing good would come of sitting in tents. It became for Poroshenko a signal that the circus can be closed.

    So, it was October 31. As already mentioned above, Arsen Avakov caused the long-awaited blow to the Maidan under the breath. Washington realized that the time was not on the days, but on the clock, and if you delay, tomorrow there will be nothing to save and no one in the Mariinsky Park. Therefore, just a few hours after the decision to withdraw the police from the Maidan, the investigators of the NABU detained the son of the minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and his former deputy.

    Avakov Washington made it clear that he does not intend to retreat any more and the minister should make his choice right now. Either the minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs continues to execute commands from the US embassy, ​​or remains together with his president and shares his fate.

    Despite the fact that the main target today in Ukraine for Washington is Peter Poroshenko, the most difficult decision is to take Arsen Avakov. He has on his hands those trumps that can tip the scales either one way or the other
    The choice is very difficult and ambiguous. An error in this situation can cost the minister not only posts, but also heads.

    So, the rates in Ukraine are raised to a new level. The losing party risks very much, but because the bridges are not burnt and the parties can still try to negotiate. Because if they do not agree and the conflict enters an acute phase, Moscow can already half celebrate its victory. The enemy, who previously opposed it with a united front, will be finally divided and will have only ... to strengthen support for Petro Poroshenko. For the time being, of course.

    Author: Yury Podolyaka

    EDIT: and to just to keep it interesting military action has stepped up with increased shelling and scrimmages.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:00 pm

    franco wrote:EDIT: and to just to keep it interesting military action has stepped up with increased shelling and scrimmages.  

    Add the huge air defense drills in Kherson. Tremendous amount of firepower showcased by the Ukrainians, S-300PM, Tor, Buk, OSA-AK and S-300V.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:26 pm

    Grad fire at Donetsk airport from APU. Ollie says maybe Tillerson told Ukraine to in order to pressure Moscow over Syria but that makes little to no sense.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:14 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Grad fire at Donetsk airport from APU. Ollie says maybe Tillerson told Ukraine to in order to pressure Moscow over Syria but that makes little to no sense.

    Ukropia is most definitely under neocon and hilldog influence, rather than core Trump admin.
    That's why it makes no sense.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  auslander on Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:25 pm

    This evening, pretty rough so far. Local time as I type is 22:25 Our eyes on say no counter battery fire yet. Info from ForPost, Sevastopol, reporter embedded in Donetsk City Proper:

    Donetsk covered with "Grads" and artillery: the child was killed, three more suffered

    In the evening of November 5, around 21:00, the artillery shelling and shelling of the self-proclaimed DNP from the Grad GRAD of the Kiev and Kuibyshev districts of Donetsk was carried out, the ForPost correspondent reported from the scene.

    For 40 minutes of intense shelling of Donetsk, hits were recorded on Kievsky Prospekt in multi-storey houses, along the Ekonomicheskoe Street in the area of ​​the industrial zone, as well as in the yard of the Comfy store, in the Mayak market area and in the vocational school №58. The school and the hostel adjacent to it, damaged the glazing.

    Trolleybus number two goes only to the stop "Vetka", due to the aggravated situation.

    In addition, in the area of ​​school number 101 in the Petrovsky district of Donetsk as a result of the shelling injured three children, another died before the arrival of the ambulance.

    "Two suffered, one easily." Another child died before the ambulance arrived, "a spokesman for the operational command of the DNR told reporters.

    "The situation has sharply deteriorated ... On the outskirts of the settlement of Avdeevka there are 6 automatic control systems that are firing on the territory of the People's Republic of China," he said.

    Also, as the correspondent of ForPost reports from the scene, the gas pipe and two high-rise buildings on Partizansky Avenue were damaged as a result of the bombardment. Employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations on-site conduct repair of the gas pipe.

    As of 22:30 it is known that as a result of bombardment, at least 11 houses were damaged, one car was completely burnt. Another civilian, a man born in 1952, received a fragmentation wound to the eye and was taken to the regional traumatology department, the Ministry of Health reported to ForPost.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:47 pm

    None of the terrorizers of Donbass will ever face justice. Instead they will be celebrated as war heroes in Ukraine, while Donbass people continue to die.

    It is an unjust, horrible world.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:49 pm

    auslander wrote:This evening, pretty rough so far. Local time as I type is 22:25 Our eyes on say no counter battery fire yet. Info from ForPost, Sevastopol, reporter embedded in Donetsk City Proper:

    Donetsk covered with "Grads" and artillery: the child was killed, three more suffered

    In the evening of November 5, around 21:00, the artillery shelling and shelling of the self-proclaimed DNP from the Grad GRAD of the Kiev and Kuibyshev districts of Donetsk was carried out, the ForPost correspondent reported from the scene.

    For 40 minutes of intense shelling of Donetsk, hits were recorded on Kievsky Prospekt in multi-storey houses, along the Ekonomicheskoe Street in the area of ​​the industrial zone, as well as in the yard of the Comfy store, in the Mayak market area and in the vocational school №58. The school and the hostel adjacent to it, damaged the glazing.

    Trolleybus number two goes only to the stop "Vetka", due to the aggravated situation.

    In addition, in the area of ​​school number 101 in the Petrovsky district of Donetsk as a result of the shelling injured three children, another died before the arrival of the ambulance.

    "Two suffered, one easily." Another child died before the ambulance arrived, "a spokesman for the operational command of the DNR told reporters.

    "The situation has sharply deteriorated ... On the outskirts of the settlement of Avdeevka there are 6 automatic control systems that are firing on the territory of the People's Republic of China," he said.

    Also, as the correspondent of ForPost reports from the scene, the gas pipe and two high-rise buildings on Partizansky Avenue were damaged as a result of the bombardment. Employees of the Ministry of Emergency Situations on-site conduct repair of the gas pipe.

    As of 22:30 it is known that as a result of bombardment, at least 11 houses were damaged, one car was completely burnt. Another civilian, a man born in 1952, received a fragmentation wound to the eye and was taken to the regional traumatology department, the Ministry of Health reported to ForPost.

    Stay safe man. And keep the news coming, nothing of the sort is reported in our media so far.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:16 pm

    Anyone know what Russia is waiting for?

    This is just rediculous go in and kill the ukropian traitors like you should have done the moment they apeared what the hell does Russia always wait for??? they could take kiev in a few days its less than 100 KM from Belarus the war would be over in a matter of weeks if they did this what are they waiting for???

    If Russia invaded now some may see them as invaders but if they wait eaveryone might become a mindless indoctrinate and have to be desposed of somehow how is this practical reopening the gulag is not good for PR or are they taking the chance that maby the people of ukraine will look apon the failier of a goverment they have and rejoin Russia?

    What is the grand plan to save ukraine?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:22 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Anyone know what Russia is waiting for?

    This is just rediculous go in and kill the ukropian traitors like you should have done the moment they apeared what the hell does Russia always wait for??? they could take kiev in a few days its less than 100 KM from Belarus the war would be over in a matter of weeks if they did this what are they waiting for???

    If Russia invaded now some may see them as invaders but if they wait eaveryone might become a mindless indoctrinate and have to be desposed of somehow how is this practical reopening the gulag is not good for PR or are they taking the chance that maby the people of ukraine will look apon the failier of a goverment they have and rejoin Russia?

    What is the grand plan to save ukraine?
    You are obviously new around here. The situation is not that simple.

    First, why should Russia 'save' Ukraine? The place is a moneypit full of corrupt bigots. Much better to let the West suffer the cost of their coup.

    If Russia does anything, and it won't unless Ukraine makes the first move, it is unlikely that it will do anything more than protect DNR and LPR perhaps pushing their territory out to their oblast boundaries.

    Oh, and why not use a spellchecker?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:59 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Anyone know what Russia is waiting for?

    ..............

    What is the grand plan to save ukraine?

    Why should anyone save Ukraine, especially Russia?

    What political or financial benefit would be derived from saving it?

    Russia has been wasting money on that bigot money pit (as John correctly pointed out) for decades and got nothing but hassle in return.

    Most valuable part of it has been returned to Russia. Rest of it is useless dead weight and basically one large problem. And way to deal with large problems is to partition them into smaller ones.

    And that is what Russia is doing. Waiting for that place to detonate or decompose (whichever comes first) so they can deal with resulting parts separately and at their own leisure.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:20 am

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Anyone know what Russia is waiting for?

    This is just rediculous go in and kill the ukropian traitors like you should have done the moment they apeared what the hell does Russia always wait for??? they could take kiev in a few days its less than 100 KM from Belarus the war would be over in a matter of weeks if they did this what are they waiting for???

    If Russia invaded now some may see them as invaders but if they wait eaveryone might become a mindless indoctrinate and have to be desposed of somehow how is this practical reopening the gulag is not good for PR or are they taking the chance that maby the people of ukraine will look apon the failier of a goverment they have and rejoin Russia?

    What is the grand plan to save ukraine?

    If Russia invades then it will take the blame for all of Banderastan's problems. Letting the idiots stew in their
    own excrement is the best option.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:07 am

    Ukrain is usefull for Ground,AD and ABM buffer farmland and pushing back the west the front line is just too close to Moskow.

    I defending Donetsk they could use S-400 and Iskanders based in Russia.

    Funny thing about Kharkov is that in its time of sucsess the desighneres where Russian and it was run by Alexander Morozov who was born in Bryansk Russia so all Kharkovs sucsess was due to Russian desighners.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:08 pm

    Quiet counter battery fire

    Also, Alexander Zakharchenko said that two artillery batteries, three dug-outs and an enemy command post had been destroyed during the bombardment of Donetsk.

    "We did not leave the AFU aggression without response. The Armed Forces of the DPR destroyed two artillery batteries, three dug-outs, one of them - a command post that adjusted the fire on Donetsk," he added.


    https://dninews.com/article/alexander-zakharchenko-we-do-not-leave-afu-aggression-without-response
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:00 pm


    Hello, I have been out of the loop for the past two months due to the upheaval in Spain and works in my house.

    I try to keep updated, but nothing much seemed to be happening until last weekend. Of course the dead keep piling up.

    seems they have been playing around with the idea of UN peacekeepers, but I believe it's all a farce, and seems Volcker is the representatie of the US war party.

    Alarming reports that Ukraine could get 155mm heavy artillery from NATO and guided projectiles.

    It seems it is expected a winter offensive from the Ukrops this year after the first frosts and the mud freezes. Or possibly timed to disrupt Putin reelection, but then it will be nearing the spring thaw.

    I think the US are getting restless. They can't allow this war to go on as stalemate because artillery ammunition is running out. I guess they are trying to get Russia to capitulate and accept peacekeepers, while at the same time preparing an offensive and supply of arms to Ukraine. With the war in Siria coming to the endgame, they will have to reopen the Ukrainian front, and it seems they want to overthrow Poroshenko and replace him with somebody more pliable.


    Meanwhile it seems the French and Germans want to avoid war at any costs.


    I disagree with the opinions, Ukraine is, as americans say, prime real estate. If properly managed it can be a rich addition to Russia, I know rebuilding it would be a huge burden on Russian economy, so it's more of a long term project, but reinstating a russian friendly regime in Ukraine that puts the house in order before joining Russia is achievable, that is reformatting it as Novorussia.


    The coming months will be critical. Once Putin gets reelected and the US realize they are going to face him for a few more years they may cool down.

    Unfortunately it seems as the rearmament buildup of Russia is slowing down. Still no signs of modern aviation. And time is running out, I really doubt they can make it before 2020.



    That's my strategic summary. Tell me if I missed something. I am certain war with Russia is only a matter of time. For now the US are distracted with internal problems and North Korea, but it will not last long and the war party is pressing for action against Russia and Putin's overthrow.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:56 pm

    Ispan wrote:..............

    seems they have been playing around with the idea of UN peacekeepers, but I believe it's all a farce, and seems Volcker is the representatie of the US war party. ....

    Oh that he definitely is.


    Ispan wrote:........
    Alarming reports that Ukraine could get 155mm heavy artillery from NATO and guided projectiles.....

    Maybe, maybe not but as always it's a two way street.


    Ispan wrote:........
    It seems it is expected a winter offensive from the Ukrops this year after the first frosts and the mud freezes. Or possibly timed to disrupt Putin reelection, but then it will be nearing the spring thaw.......

    Ukrops getting thrashed on live TV will be adding couple of dozen percent to Putin's rating and everyone in his cabinet knows this. Ukrops do not want to play with this scenario (ones that will be tasked with getting trashed anyway)


    Ispan wrote:........I think the US are getting restless. They can't allow this war to go on as stalemate because artillery ammunition is running out. I guess they are trying to get Russia to capitulate and accept peacekeepers, while at the same time preparing an offensive and supply of arms to Ukraine. With the war in Siria coming to the endgame, they will have to reopen the Ukrainian front, .....

    They are but facts on the ground haven't changed. And that front had very good odds of moving in in opposite of desired direction.


    Ispan wrote:........and it seems they want to overthrow Poroshenko and replace him with somebody more pliable......

    They already tried with tie-muncher couple of weeks ago. It didn't work, Porky values his life greatly. And now he knows that he may not be favored son anymore.


    Ispan wrote:......Meanwhile it seems the French and Germans want to avoid war at any costs......

    No surprise there.


    Ispan wrote:......
    I disagree with the opinions, Ukraine is, as americans say, prime real estate. If properly managed it can be a rich addition to Russia, I know rebuilding it would be a huge burden on Russian economy, so it's more of a long term project, but reinstating a russian friendly regime in Ukraine that puts the house in order before joining Russia is achievable, that is reformatting it as Novorussia.......

    It used to be before doctors Oppenheimer and Sakharov gave us the gift of world peace.

    Today Ukraine is just large farmland. And Russia has plenty of it's own and growing.

    They just need that space to be empty, that's all. And Ukraine has been very helpful with that project.


    Ispan wrote:........
    Unfortunately it seems as the rearmament buildup of Russia is slowing down. Still no signs of modern aviation.  And time is running out, I really doubt they can make it before 2020.

    That's my strategic summary. Tell me if I missed something. I am certain war with Russia is only a matter of time. For now the US are distracted with internal problems and North Korea, but it will not last long and the war party is pressing for action against Russia and Putin's overthrow.

    Time is only running out for Ukraine.

    USA can press for war all they want, they still need to get Europeans into it and, as you have stated just now, it's not happening. Only country in Europe dumb enough to act as nuclear meat shield is Poland but that is not enough.

    Maybe Baltics would dare because they are (maybe) bit close for use of nukes and they know it but it would still not save them from rest of the Russian long-range inventory. Literally no need to even cross the border.

    Everyone else would bail instantly. I mean how would they sell that ops to their public? Scratch that, how would they sell that ops to their own politicians?

    Putin may or may not run for president again. But next guy/gal will just be more of the same.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:28 am

    Modern aviation? What Russia has in region is way more advanced than what anyone else has nearby. They may need more of it, but that's still ongoing. New equipment is still leaking into army, there has been more slow down in media reporting, more so than reality
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  OminousSpudd on Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:13 am

    As for modern aviation, lets just say the F-35 and the general corruption and decline of the Western MIC happened. I think Russia will definitely keep growing its tech, but charging into large-scale procurement has taken a backseat. There is no point when the majority of Russia's frontline fighters match their immediate opponents as it is, and superior aircraft simply do not exist in the numbers to justify rapidly fielding expensive new platforms to counter them.  

    Besides, the VKO/VKS is continuing to develop nicely, all things considered. Russian IADS still represents the most substantial threat to NATO airpower as it is, and with no sure-fire way of countering it even on the horizon for the bureaucratic nightmare that is Western militaries, why worry about rushing things.

    Russia's hardly resting on its laurels, but more haste less speed certainly seems to be their proverb at the moment.

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