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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:31 pm

    Saving for future reference, good analysis

    To artillerymen of the APU in the Donbass, they were even afraid to cough ...

    t is known that Syria and the former Ukraine are the two main "platforms", where Russia, even if not directly, is at war with our main global enemy - the United States. And, as we have the pleasure of seeing, despite the numerous predictions of the "analysts" hostile to us, Syria has not turned for Russia into a second Afghanistan. Along with our allies, we have been defeated by the US-led troops of radical Islamists.

    Now you can look around, take advantage of the fruits of victory and incredibly increased authority in Russia. And finally, think about how to win on the second "front", which is very painful for many Russians, to free the people of the former Ukraine from the anti-people, puppet, neo -anderovian authorities and against Russophobia, which many of our people have infiltrated into the minds of many people.

    This is awaited by all Orthodox Russia and the Russian world, sincere believers who are worried about their brothers by faith and by blood. All Russians expect this, for whom the former Ukraine is a small homeland (except for those who, alas, the fault of the above-mentioned authorities and its armed forces killed relatives, loved ones, friends, acquaintances, and who now hates all its inhabitants).

    And yet this is waiting for people who can think. Understanding that Russia can survive, only being great, in the status of the Empire. And, that "the empire scattered by the territories populated by the radical imperial state-forming ethnos, only because a part of this ethnos was captured by Nazi propaganda, undermines its own base."

    About the same release ... Yes, on the one hand, the question of whether the former Ukraine is really a trap, from which there is no way out, is very significant. Because, on the one hand, it is necessary to release - the Russians do not abandon their own. Because, despite the huge number of people in the former Ukraine who consider us Russians not their brothers but their enemies, there are also very many who have not succumbed to hostile propaganda. And then any psychologist will say that if a person was able to zazombirovat, then just as it can and razbobirovat.

    However, on the other hand, Russia and itself miraculously escaped the collapse and destruction, so far this danger should be taken into account. Until now, the "State of Russia" system, after the destruction of such a system in the USSR, has not been built. Yes, our president correctly says that the elements of manual control can simultaneously become elements of the adjustment of the above system, but how everything will be, we'll see.

    Still, many things happened that Putin spent two rather lengthy periods in a secretive ambush, dealing with the "internal front". The first time - from the beginning of his first presidential term to the speech at the Munich conference on February 10, 2007, and the second time - from the war on August 8, 08 and before the coup in the former Ukraine in early 2014, before the return of the Crimea.

    Both these periods are characterized by Russia's minimal foreign policy actions and a huge amount of internal work to restore the army and military-industrial complex. There was a resuscitation of the state system, but so far only in the part that directly touched the main moment for every independent country - its sovereignty, what it provides. Thank God, our president worked in intelligence, for sure it was great to help the secrecy of all the huge work.

    Naturally, after the final exit from the "shelter" came the most active foreign policy activity of Russia. It turned out to be so successful that it "pulled" for itself and the economy - advertising our weapons in real combat greatly increased its sales, the country's growing authority allowed in a short time to implement a lot of activities necessary for the growth of the main export products - oil and gas. And he also made it possible to significantly increase orders in other industries - for example, the construction of nuclear power plants around the world. In parallel, the Russian economy continued to work on import substitution.

    Plus, the unexpected happened - a lot of states, yesterday even more openly hostile, yesterday still the main sponsors of terrorism (for example, Qatar and Saudi Arabia), began to seek our friendship and support, or even the guarantee of their statehood. And now Russia is fit, as the best patron for someone resentful or potentially offended countries, to sell their defense services.

    But let's return to the former Ukraine. There is even a point of view (and it is well substantiated by the above situation) that all this was planned beforehand as a possible trap for Russia, such as first "seducing" the former Ukraine, and then completely destroying it and giving it to us - to (that) Russia completely weaken and then even destroy.

    Because it is understandable - if you release, then you need to occupy the territory, together with people. And, therefore, and take care of the population (let's go so far from the question of possible victims among the liberators - there is a reasonable point of view that the speed of liberation of the former Ukraine with a sufficient number, for example, of tanks, will be comparable with the speed of their movement on the march).

    However, the new population of Russia (for the time being we will leave the issues of denazification of people behind the brackets, although they are also very important) completely will not understand its new power if the living standards of the "New Russians" and the "Great Russians" are very different. And we remember well with you that the annexation of the Crimea had a tangible impact on the living standards of the indigenous inhabitants of Russia, not the Crimeans (and this is only 2 million "connected" with a relatively small territory!)

    By the way, the recent history of the reunification of Germany is another proof that with the joining of new and large territories one must be very cautious. Especially if we look at the economic power of the FRG before the unification and how much the German performance has deteriorated over time.

    That is why the above-mentioned exemption must be done by the armed units of the People's Republic of China and the People's Republic of Germany or "as it were" by the People's Republic of Germany and the People's Republic of Germany, possibly with the help of the VCS, after their recognition and the corresponding assistance agreement. And yet - in any case, do not hurry with the accession to Russia of new territories (not so long as the economy, or at least the cost of oil and gas). It is necessary to act in full accordance with the plan already announced in July by Alexander Zakharchenko about the reformatting of the former Ukraine into a new state entity, a transitional one before joining Russia (Malorossia or South-West Russia will be called, not the essence).

    Apparently, the troops have to go all the former Ukraine with the maximum destruction of enemy military equipment, while taking and / or redeeming weapons from the population. And - with the elimination of the old neo-Unader power (a replacement, perhaps, somewhere even preserving the old - as the local population will say). Then take the entire western border, with very high quality border control. In the regional centers put well-armed garrisons, immediately Ukrainian Rusophobic TV replaced by Russian, with pre-prepared programs.

    And since there are big doubts, will there be enough people in the DNP / LN for people to establish and maintain order throughout the territory, then in the garrisons deploy a group of specialists with polygraphs. Invite the population to help the new government, but everyone who wants to "filter".

    For the time being, only on the eve of all this, while today on December 20, and only yesterday, Russian officers from the STCC in Donbass left Ukraine. As was to be expected, immediately the APU sharply intensified shelling.

    Yes, on the opposite, enemy side, too, our people, even with "brainwashed" brain. But do not forget that the above-mentioned citizens of the former Ukraine came to the Donbas with the war. So if these characters agreed to kill, especially peaceful people, old people, women and children, they should be ready to "get the same measure." Recognize that the crews of tanks and self-propelled artillery units, the calculation of mortars, artillery systems or rocket fire systems of the APU, in response to shelling and possible killings of our people in the Donbass, will receive such an "answer" that no one will be saved. When the retaliatory strike is so massive that in place of the still recent location of these "monsters" there will be only molten earth ...

    For now it is necessary to develop a number of measures. And among the first - because with South Ossetia there is mutual recognition and agreement on mutual assistance, through it officially bring the means of counter-battery fighting purely as a means of giving greater security to the citizens of the People's Republic of China / LDP.

    At the same time, the troops of the People's Democratic Republic of France should prepare comprehensively for a possible offensive, in case of further escalation of events. And still deliver the maximum ammunition for its rocket launcher systems and artillery, for the demonstration operation.

    Instead of the next "transfusion from empty to empty", in Minsk, in a contact group, our negotiators from the People's Republic of Germany / the People's Republic of France must give the ultimatum to the opposite side: from zero hours ... the number ... of the month 2017, with the first artillery or mortar shot, the place from which this bombardment began (from the part of the Ukrainian Armed Forces or "Dobroba", unimportantly) with a radius of ... meters, will be completely "cleaned" by the rocket launchers and artillery rocket strikes. Or - other means, if they hide behind the houses of residents.

    The experience of all the military conflicts that Russian people have waged throughout their considerable history, including the recent one in Syria, shows that only decisive actions lead to the right result. And since the strength, effectiveness of any punishment is not only and not so much in its cruelty as in inevitability, then, after the ultimatum is declared, at the first shot from the enemy's position it will be absolutely necessary to fulfill the promise. Clean, as Yevgeny Yanovich Satanovsky likes to say, "down to a baked, crispy crust."

    To the next time, as in that joke, they were afraid to even cough ...


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:45 pm

    This is bad news and good news:

    The bad: the war is going to last longer as they are receiving supplies from the West

    The good: is indirect confirmation of the intensity of the war and the ammunition shortage. The small stuff, RPG and grenade launchers rounds is not interesting nor relevant, but the mention of 100mm rounds means either they are getting old rounds for the obsolete AT guns used in lieu of missiles, or may be a reference to tank rounds, of wich the Ukrops lost a lot at Kharkov ammo depot explosion. The mention of heavy 152mm shells is consistent with the reports of the scarcity of this caliber, as they are used sparingly.


    Ukraine seems to still have a good supply of 122mm shells. They lost a lot of towed artillery but repaired hundreds of Gvozdika self propelled guns (they have 500-600 of these as reported recently) by installing Swedish motors, as replacement for the 152mm SP that they lost, and cannot repair existing chassis.


    So the supplies prolong the war, but do not seem to be significant enough to alter the outcome. Ukraine would need to receive hundreds of tanks and artillery pieces and tens of thousands of tons of ammunition to replace the losses of 2014-2015 and enjoy a significant superiority in materiel.


    Media: Ukraine receives ammunition from at least five countries



    2017-12-25 12:13


    Antimaydan Ukraine

    According to various sources, ammunition is supplied by Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Lithuania

    At least five European countries are supplying ammunition to Ukraine, Pavel Barbul , the head of the Ukrainian state enterprise (GP), said on December 25, Apostrophe.

    According to him, for the needs of the Armed Forces, grenade launchers VOG-17 and VOG-25, other ammunition for grenade launchers, artillery shells of caliber 100 mm and 152 mm are supplied. At the same time, Barbul refused to name specific countries that carry out deliveries.

    "We have situations when some companies can not get licenses for the supply of supplies for two years, " said Barbul.

    The publication also quotes the words of military expert Mikhail Zhirokhov that, judging by the photo? and video records, supplies to Ukraine of ammunition are engaged in Romania, Bulgaria, Poland and Lithuania.

    Recall, Canada previously allowed Ukraine to import Canadian weapons. At the same time, Ottawa noted that this is not about direct supplies to Ukraine, but about commercial purchases from the Ukrainian government of arms in Canada.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:57 pm

    "The most likely scenario for Ukraine." Sergey Bogatyrev

    n 2018, Ukraine will face the most weighty payments on public debt - $ 7 billion. Plus payments to Gazprom on yesterday's decision of the Stockholm arbitration, and this is another 2.1 billion dollars. Plus payments in favor of Russia on Eurobonds are about 4 billion dollars.

    Total - 13 billion dollars.

    Given that the entire budget of Ukraine is $ 28 billion, and the NBR of the NBU is only formally 18 billion dollars, in reality there are about 2 billion dollars, which is catastrophically small.

    Given that the IMF is unlikely to lend to Ukraine until January 28, and there comes into effect the decision of the High Court of London and the default ...

    I do not think that someone will go to an even greater extreme and will once again change the rules of lending to Ukraine even more.

    And this means that the financial collapse of Ukraine in 2018 is virtually inevitable. I believe this is the moment for the Dark One ...

    Probably, in Russian representations, such a result should be the point in this protracted farce. Ukraine should quietly rot away on the sidelines of world politics, or die loudly, which also comes down ...

    However, I think that the quiet disintegration of 404 is not included in the plans of the "Western Allies". Their goal has always been one ... to provoke Russia to take Ukraine on balance. A poor, dilapidated country and 30-40 million people, plus a potential permanent civil war, is for you - sanction, so sanction.

    In 2014, this did not work.

    The APU was too weak to solve this problem and Russia managed to freeze the situation. At the same time, it was possible to avoid an open war, and most importantly, to hang Ukraine on the balance of the Yankees and the EU. In delight, this did not lead to them, and they began to prepare for revenge right away.

    "Minsk - 2" won the time for Russia, but for Ukraine and the United States too. We largely stabilized our economy, adapted it to the situation of external pressure, and significantly armed themselves. Solved problems in Syria.

    At the same time, the United States did the same in Ukraine, but they do not need the economy ... the worse it will be by the time of Ukraine's liberation / occupation by the forces of Russia, the better for the West. Ukraine should fulfill the only function - to draw Russia into an open war and lose ....

    The goal "Ukraine is a supersunction for Russia" is still relevant, but this can only be achieved in one way. Making Russia openly enter the war, which means that it requires a military machine with which Russia will still have to fight openly and in full growth, and not just "vacationers" and "volunteers."

    .... and thousands of NATO military instructors did not lose time all these years, too, with a cherry on the cake under the finale of this process is a $ 300 million weapon that the US will soon deliver to Ukraine.

    The time for preparation of the parties came ...

    Ukraine has nothing to lose, it will either quietly rot in 2018 in the abyss of the national financial crisis, or in a suicidal attack it will break about Donbass

    ... and so, and so to her khan ...

    ... but in the second variant, she will draw Russia into herself, and she will hang on her neck with a huge financial, political and ideological burden.

    The best moment to do this than in the year of the presidential election and the 2018 FIFA World Cup is really just not there. To ruin a Russian holiday is the eternal dream of every brazen-sax.

    The stock of financial strength will expire in Ukraine somewhere in the spring, I think it's then that Donbass will get hit, I think somewhere in the Novoazovsk area. With the potential to reach the border with Russia.

    From the side of the covers there Mariupol, in which you can hide thousands and thousands of soldiers, for a sudden deployment, and from the side of the DNR there is very little of it ... Therefore, I believe - Sector M will be a priority.

    Next, the APU will try to move from the bottom up to Donetsk, a narrow front, taking control of the border. In doing so, he will drive the bald on the whole front, not giving much support to the south of the Republic. This is the only way to achieve significant territorial acquisitions and not get caught up in city battles in the Donetsk agglomeration.

    Let me remind you, the APU does not need to win. It is enough to draw regular Russian troops into battle, inflict maximum damage, obtain evidence of Russia's participation in the conflict for the Yankees ... and die heroically, leaving the creep of hatred on Russian-Ukrainian relations for years and years ahead ...

    How can Russia behave in this regard?

    I want to believe that I will see Putin's speech about the following:

    "In accordance with the Minsk-2, supported by the UN General Assembly, Russia assumed the obligations of the guarantor of the agreements, which are now grossly trampled by the Ukrainian side ... under these conditions we demand that the offensive of the Armed Forces be immediately stopped and the parties will return to the borders stipulated by the treaty, Russia, as a guarantor, reserves the right to apply force to the parties to the conflict. "

    Of course, no one from Kiev or Washington will stop the APU and Russia will have to get involved openly. I believe that the most reasonable form would be the destruction by the military security forces under the Israeli scheme of the objects of the APU used in Syria (without crossing the border) - air defense systems and artillery systems. Such an action will be akin to a "warning shot into the air", which will be heard ... and at the United Nations will begin a universal howl - a remix with Aleppo.

    Go further for Russia, means the destruction of thousands and thousands of soldiers of the APU, which I believe the President will not do. However, what is the alternative? We need to stop the conflict in a short time, so that he does not interfere with the World Cup in football.

    I see the way out in a public demonstration of strength, namely, the entry of a "limited contingent" of the Russian Armed Forces in Donetsk and Lugansk, in the hope that it will demoralize the enemy and stop it. Even without the entry of our forces into a direct military confrontation. In case of success, implement their equally prompt conclusion.

    However, suppose the worst scenario and the APU does not falter. Then I believe that it is necessary to destroy not thousands of soldiers of the Armed Forces in the Donbass, but to take Kiev, or otherwise remove from authority the persons who gave the criminal order for the offensive. Or create, a real threat to it. This will surely stop the offensive and destabilize Ukraine. At the same time, the task of not getting involved in Ukraine will be deeper than the most difficult.

    Further, that either it is probably not necessary to predict ...

    The delta options are too great ...

    At the same time, it should be said that the situation in Ukraine - there is a state exam for Russia on the status of a superpower. In the long term, Russia can not only not lose, from the "entrance" to Ukraine, but also gain significant advantages.

    Since it is better to lose $ 105 billion of US debt securities and buy 10 million pensioners and state employees to your neck, but do not lose the leading position in the anti-American part of the world. We will repay the money to ourselves later. Ukraine is not so unprofitable under normal management, and an open nagging of the US ass can bring other significant dividends.

    The main shortcoming is an even greater intensification of the conflict with the West, which, however, is already inevitable.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:25 pm

    Ispan wrote:...Ukraine is not so unprofitable under normal management...

    Land yes but population fuck no. Not worth it.

    Neutralize the armed elements and leave that place to tenderize for several decades. Don't waste money and troops on futile and pointless grind.

    Sit back, be patient and let nature take it's course. Societal collapse and depopulation should take care of the problems.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:31 pm

    In "Donbas interchange" the decisive moment has come. "Moderate" counterbattery response is now indispensable


    All forecasts for the winter intensification of hostilities in the Donbass theater of operations and their escalation into a new phase of conflict escalation made in the last quarter continue to be confirmed with accuracy to the smallest detail. And despite the fact that in the comments to numerous analytical publications and reviews of the operational situation on the fronts of the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics, one can still find ardent supporters of the obsolete "Minsk and Norman" formats, the tough military-political reality continues to dictate its rules of "big game" , where our Western "partners" skillfully deceive the Russian side and the military leaders of the republics for the third year already. What are the results from participation in all these "peaceful actions" that we observed by the end of this year?
    The admission of the head of the White House, Donald Trump, to the "Minsk process", which he claimed during his meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in March 2017, evaporated as if by magic, immediately after the signing of a package for the supply of 12.7-mm sniper rifles to Kiev Barrett M82A1 with a target range of 1500 m. To put it bluntly, on December 21, Washington once again showed us its attitude to most projects, in which there is at least some involvement of the Russian side. However, this person was demonstrated a week ago, when the Canadian government approved the delivery of "unmanned" small arms through the intra-block military sales of the North Atlantic Alliance (including individual non-aligned friendly states). As we pointed out in one of the previous works, in this case Ottawa can act as a kind of shadow intermediary supplying Kiev with any class of American lethal weapons (including the same FGM-148 "Javelin" ATGM, 155 mm M982 "Excalibur" or 120 mm corrected mortar shells PERM), which does not appear in the official document that provides only the transfer of small arms.


    As for the caliber of 155 mm, we advise you not to be mistaken, because despite the prevalence of 122- and 152-mm artillery in the VSU, Kiev plans to proceed to the transition to NATO's 155-mm standard shortly, and the first stage will be the purchase of Polish ACS "Krab ", Or their towers type AS-90, licensed by the Polish company" Huta Stalowa Wola "(HSW).

    We also received the preservation of the junta's control over Mariupol (since September 6, 2014) and the favorable location of the artillery positions of the APU for Kiev, just a few kilometers from the Gorlovsko-Enakievo and Donetsk-Makiiv agglomerations, which allows us to regularize the positions of servicemen of the Corps of the People's Militia DNR, residential quarters of the capital of the republic, as well as, if necessary, "reach out" to the rear transport hubs in the central and eastern parts of the LDPR. Not allowed to push the artillery positions of the ukrains 30-40 km east of Donetsk, Minsk caused hundreds of deaths in the front zone. And now the situation is completely hanging by a thread. Having suffered a significant defeat in the Syrian theater of operations, where the pro-American "Syrian Democratic Forces", even with the help of military and technical support of the OVSV, the coalition and the United States MTR failed to gain a foothold on the western bank of the Euphrates (with the possibility of further integration with the 55-kilometer security zone around At-Tanf ), The USA is now making all bets on taking revenge in the conflict in the Donbass, which is also planned to be used as a tool to destabilize the situation on the Russian borders before the presidential panii in March 2018.

    Preparations for a new criminal action in Kiev are the most extensive in the last 3 years. In particular, against the backdrop of Poroshenko's announced reinforcement of the APU grouping near the contact line, the publication "Bulletin of Mordovia", referring to sources in the Ministry of Defense of the People's Republic of France, reported the restoration of a powerful artillery "backbone" of the junta consisting of more than 520 - 530 122- and 152-mm ACS (more than 220 2С1 "Carnation" and 300 2С3 "Acacia"). About 80 heavy long-range ACS 2С7 "Pion", 17 2С5 "Hyacinth-S", 35 2С19 "Msta-S" and 30-35 2С9 "Nona-S" were prepared for large-scale artillery preparation in the republics. And according to the data of the OSCE observers, supported by information and photo / video materials received by public figure Alexei Zhuravko from eyewitnesses from the Kherson region, all this technology is now actively transferred to the occupied parts of the Lugansk and Donetsk national republics. To hide the Ukrainian population from the eyes of the rather important role continues to play the so-called "Mihomaydan", performing a distracting function. And no matter how many different media argue that Saakashvili is the main tool of American special services for putting pressure on Valtzman (Poroshenko) on various issues, real events point to a completely different purpose - acting in a single link to fool the population.

    Let's judge objectively. Where is it seen that a person who is prohibited from entering the territory of a certain state calmly "broke through" the border with the support of a gang of aggressive supporters, and even with an attack on the border guards? A similar circus can also be seen in an attempt to seize it by adherents of the October Palace in the center of the Ukrainian capital, that Saakashvili himself argued with the desire to hold an "event involving wives of military political prisoners" in this building. The pseudo-attempts of the arrest of a well-known Georgian war criminal were no less ridiculous, naive and absurd. He was unsuccessfully tried to "pack into a paddy wagon", escorted by a company of armed special forces, after which his activists were miraculously allowed to break open the door of the car and release Saakashvili. He is then released after 2 days in jail and one day in court. And such measures are taken against the subject who openly declares the need to overthrow the current Ukrainian regime.

    Then, on December 15, 2017, as if nothing had happened, Saakashvili expresses "the desire to agree with Poroshenko in order to avoid the country being taken away", also focusing on the need to "preserve one side." How do you like such a dashing turn? As a result, on December 22, 2017, the Dutch newspaper "De Telegraaf" with reference to the Ministry of Security and Justice of the state, announces the issuance of a Dutch visa to Saakashvili. This could only say that the first batch of the Ukrainian "match" of the "tangerine fighter" was completed. The request for a Dutch visa was smoothly reduced to a desire to reunite with his family, because his wife Sandra Roelofs - a subject of the Dutch crown.

    Now, for a simple Ukrainian citizen, Saakashvili turns into a kind of "Carlson" with big connections in the US and Western Europe, which allow him to free himself from the shackles of Valtsman, and, without fear of being persecuted by the SBU and other security agencies, temporarily leave "irresolute". But Karlson does not plan to fly away at all, as Saakashvili's ally Saakashvili and ex-deputy prosecutor general of Ukraine David Sakvarelidze announced by December 22. Both Sakvarelidze and Saakashvili were no longer mentioned about the reliability of the visa, while Dutch Foreign Minister Halbe Zailstra confirmed that the state is ready to accept Saakashvili without a visa, so his wife is Dutch. Saakashvili hastened to say that despite numerous invitations to high positions in the US and European states, as well as proposals for citizenship, these tasks are not his first priority, and this indicates the continuation of the theatrical performance with the participation of the "Miho Superhero", which will for a long time to be broadcast on the Ukrainian zombie TV for a particularly gifted part of the population.

    At that moment, the line of contact on the Donbass from the Ukrainian side is saturated not only with artillery but also with armored units, which contain the main battle tanks T-72M1, equipped with elements of 4C20 dynamic protection of the 1st generation "Contact-1". Proceeding from the fact that the equivalent stability of the frontal projection of the tower from armor piercing and cumulative shells in these tanks is 390 and 800 mm, respectively (taking into account the DZ "Contact-1"), which is very weak in comparison with the same T-72B with EDZ 4C22 "Contact-5", which are in service with the corps of NM LDNR. But the trouble is that only 72 in different versions of the APU disposal are more than 550, most of which are now being quickly reopened for use in the course of the upcoming escalation. And this is about 60-75% of the total tank fleet of the republics (approximate figures). If we add 1,000 - 1,200 available T-64B / BW / BM, as well as 145-147 gas turbine T-80B / BV equipped with reinforced GTE-1250 engines (used as our T-80U powerplant), then Kiev gets about 2-fold superiority in only one tank.

    As for the barrel and rocket artillery, its total quantity in the arms of the NM LDPR is approximately 1.5-1.8 times less than in the APU (taking into account the unrequested units); one only field artillery (towed guns-howitzers D-20, D-30, Msta-B and Hyacinth-B and anti-tank guns MT-12 Rapier) from the junta of about 900 - 1100 units. This is quite enough to support a general offensive on the entire length of the contact line (there will still be 4 to 5 dozens of backup batteries!). But as we already noted earlier, it is not enough to have offensive shots in the direction of the Gorlovka-Enakievo and Donetsk-Makiiv agglomerations, since the main anti-tank and assault "fists" of the NM DNR are concentrated here.

    Therefore, the Ukrainian artillery, which is being pulled together today in the vicinity of Gorlovka, Donetsk and Dokuchaevsk, is intended for slow "softening" of the defensive potential of the above-mentioned "kulaks", demoralizing the personnel of the army of the republic, genocide of the Russian population of Donbass, and also trying to divert divisions of the 1st Army Corps DNR from the most weakened and vulnerable from a tactical point of view directions ("Telmanovsky Isthmus", Novoazovsky operational direction). Telmanovskoye direction is still in the zone of greatest risk due to its small operational depth of 30-35 km. Even with the correct construction of the antitank lines of the NM DNR, it will be extremely difficult to keep the enemy at the line of contact in this direction, in view of the only three-fold numerical superiority of the skeleton of the APU deployed in Volnovakh, which can be partially supported by the formations of Sector M (Mariupol).

    It is here that it becomes clear that the situation can not be solved only by experience and skill-building against the enemy armed to the teeth (2-2.5 times superior in number of vehicles and 3-3.5 times in terms of the number of personnel). In particular, during the first large-scale artillery preparation of the APU (when more than 10 to 20 batteries of barreled and reactive artillery of the junta will be used), the counterattack "response" of the artillerymen of the People's Democratic Republic will not be as massive as due to the smaller number of artillery units, in view of the fact that the good half of the artillery units of the army of the People's Democratic Republic of Ukraine is diverted from the line of contact in connection with the observance of the "Minsk format". Consequently, already now the defense departments of the republics (primarily the DMDD), it is time to reflect on the return to the front line of all available artillery components. But this under the prevailing conditions will be extremely inadequate.

    On the hands of the APU today is played not only numerical superiority, but also a noticeably increased accuracy of artillery, which is achieved using unmanned aerial reconnaissance aircraft, counter-ballistic artillery reconnaissance radar AN / TPQ-36 "Firefinder", and, if necessary, the US strategic drone RQ-4A "Global Hawk" with the onboard number UAVGH000, which can provide the General Staff of the AFU with the coordinates of the artillery installations and concentrations of armored vehicles of the NM DNR with an accuracy of a couple of meters thanks to the use of an airborne vehicle gift of AN / ZPY-2 in SAR mode. To establish parity, the republic's armies need sharply corrected 120 mm mortar KM-8 "Gran", as well as a number of corrected artillery shells (from "Kitolov" and "Centimeter-M1" to "Krasnopol-M2"). Otherwise, the security of the population and the stability of the corps of NM LDPR will be a big question. And, judging by the events of the last days of the outgoing year, Moscow will be forced to take extremely tough retaliatory measures both to preserve stability at the southern borders of the Russian Federation, and to save the republics of Donbass.

    Contrary to any attempts by the Russian side, as well as the leadership of the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics, to reach a compromise with Kiev on the settlement of the situation in the Donbass, the state hawks still managed to insert their destructive sticks into the wheels of any positive scenarios for reducing tensions. In a fairly short time, they still managed to persuade the Trump administration to the possible signing of a 47-million package of military aid, the main point of which is the transfer to Kiev of 35 FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank missile launchers and 210 ATGMs for them. It is understandable that after the actual defeat in the Syrian company Trumpu it remains only to blindly fulfill the demands of ardent Russophobes from the State Department and the US Congress regarding Ukraine. Otherwise, the current head of the White House may have all the chances to lose the remnants of a critically low rating of 35% and find himself in a very unpleasant situation in the face of Democrats wanting to impeach.

    Information on the upcoming approval of the "tidy" weapons package for the "untouched" appeared on December 23, 2017 on the American channel "ABC News" referring to sources in the US State Department, but the official decision from the agency appears to come in the period from December 25, 2017 year to January 1, 2018, or early next year (after approval by a majority vote in Congress). The probability of acceptance of the document is extremely high. In what way can this result for LDPR? If we consider the situation from the point of view of the average observer, 35 units of JAvelin transport and launch containers with 210 ATGMs are not capable of drastically changing the operational situation in favor of Ukrainian fighters. If we evaluate all this with a tactfully-eyed eye, it becomes clear that even this insignificant number of transport-launch "tubes" is quite enough for quite effective support of a local offensive operation on one or two operational directions of the Southern Front of the People's Republic of France. Why such a conclusion?

    First, unlike the anti-tank units of the NM DND, the 9K111 "Fagot", 9K113 "Contest", 9K113M "Triumph-M" and 9K115-2 "Metis-M" complexes, using the radio command method of control over the wire line, constant sighting of the target by the operator using the 9H119M1, 1PN65, 1PN86-1 "Mulat" and "Mulat-115" sightings, the FGM-148 "Javelin" antitank guided missile is equipped with a long-wave infrared homing head (8-12 microns) with a resolution of 64X64 cells manufactured from a crystalline solution of mercury telluride cadmium (CdHgTe). This range is particularly effective in working at significant distances and in difficult meteorological conditions. Consequently, the "put-forget" principle is implemented, which provides for an instant change in the position of the operator with the complex in the next few seconds after the shot is fired. The anti-tank operators of the above-mentioned domestic complexes must keep the target for 9-20 seconds in the crosshair of the optical sight, synchronized with the night or day sight, which can subsequently lead to the location of the calculation on the trajectory of the ATGM, or by infrared flash at the moment of starting the engine. The problem is that the operator can not change the firing position until the target is destroyed.

    This means only one thing in implementing offensive under provincial infrastructure and assault operations against support points HM DNR in such localities as Kominternovo, Sahanka or Telmanovo, Ukrainian military formations (positioning only 6 - 8 ATRA «Javelin») can to act in several times more flexible. Thanks to the use in the "Javelin" techniques "fire-and-forget" to "get" Ukrainian fighters protivotankistov will be quite difficult, while the latter will be able to start to fire a totally unpredictable directions and angles. There are the "Javelin" and lack that affects the fire performance of the complex: a speech about the need for a 25-second cooling refrigerant GOS for its effective work not only with the "hot", but with a slightly contrasting ground objects. During these 25 seconds the situation at a single site theater of operations may vary just beyond recognition (for example, our "Mixed-M" has a much higher rate of 3 rds. / Min).

    However, this does not negate another important virtues of the American anti-tank complex FGM-148 - work on armored and are in shelters goals with mode 45-degree dive. This mode not only complicates visual detection exemplary protivotankista place position, but also to effectively hit the moving units, hide themselves behind natural terrain or objects urban structures. In terms of urban confrontation such property is simply indispensable, given the fact that a mode of "soft" start by optimizing the burning solid propellant charge expelling engine, enabling the firing of small spaces. Moreover, dive allows striking main battle tanks, BMP and bunkers in the upper hemisphere. In the case of tanks, blow leading shaped charge, and then the main produced in the most vulnerable upper projection portion which is not overlapped elements DZ "Contact-1/5", and if overlapped, the thin 70 - 80 mm upper broneliste everything still does not provide protection against penetration.

    In such circumstances, to protect the tanks and crews of the People's Militia corps LDNR possible solely through equipping first promising active protection systems, which are a part of our army, there are only "Armata". Excellent solution field can heat absorbing assembly improvised screens of more than ten layers karemat food and multilayer sheets of foil. Such screens are capable of a fairly high uniqueness absorb infrared radiation in the long wavelength range of 8-12 microns, which has been confirmed in an article published in the paper "Soviet Physics". Another method - the use of heat radiating combustibles (inflammation of the diesel fuel), or use of various types of infrared traps.

    But it is not so simple, because FGM-148 - a missile a "smart," and placed it in the onboard computer, definitely, has various software filters that allow you to distinguish the thermal silhouette targets from all sorts of traps. At this point the question is complicated by an order of magnitude. One can say with certainty that in the fields of the steppe areas of Donbass "Javelin" with their void-range 2.5 km away completely lose their effectiveness and relevance, and so the "mirror" the transfer of the defenders of the DNI and LC above correctable artillery shells and the same self-propelled complexes "Chrysanthemum-S", having all-weather and a range of 6000 through the use of millimeter wave radio link control, it may allow Donbass end the war more quickly and with fewer losses in the buildings, so and among civilians.

    Source: topwar.ru

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  ATLASCUB on Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:31 pm

    Russia can not do a piecemeal intervention with its forces or NATO will set up shop in Kiev juding the weakness of the response and using it as an excuse. Such a limited response will also give cover for Germany/France to hop on board, with the stoogies Poland/Romania/plus the 3 gnomes also cheering on in the propaganda blow out.

    So if Russia does intervene, it will have to do so with the intention of not stopping until it reaches Kiev, dismantling the gov. and cracking hard on the traitors - the blowback will be immense.

    The Americans fucked the Russians hard on this. There is no easy way out. That's what Russia gets for being weak and incompetent.

    Aggressors have the initiative and correct course as realities change, maintaining the initiative and keeping the other side continually reacting. The U.S knows the whole thing will collapse if something doesn't happen soon so something will happen. Doing nothing will pretty much be a gift so why in hell would the Americans gift something to the Russians? I mean, why start the whole mess in the first place if you are not seeking the most damage to the enemy as possible.

    We'll see.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:05 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:Russia can not do a piecemeal intervention with its forces or NATO will set up shop in Kiev juding the weakness of the response and using it as an excuse. Such a limited response will also give cover for Germany/France to hop on board, with the stoogies Poland/Romania/plus the 3 gnomes also cheering on in the propaganda blow out.

    So if Russia does intervene, it will have to do so with the intention of not stopping until it reaches Kiev, dismantling the gov. and cracking hard on the traitors - the blowback will be immense.

    The Americans fucked the Russians hard on this. There is no easy way out. That's what Russia gets for being weak and incompetent.

    Just because they were weak and incompetent before does not man they suddenly need to be full blown morons now.

    Keep arms flowing, stay out and let problem fix itself. Can you even imagine clustefuck that would occur should Russian Military try to occupy the Ukraine? Iraq and Afghanistan would like like vacation.

    That shithole is hotbed of Nazism and Uncle Sam would flood them with ordinance the moment Russian Military would officially cross the border and EU would immediately fall back in line and follow USA.

    If they have to do something officially then they should just stay in the air, incinerate anything that moves and flood the loyal locals with equipment.

    How would they explain mass ground intervention to their citizens? "We are saving Ukrainians"? From what? Themselves? Fuck that, nobody would buy that shit especially once first corpses start arriving and money starts running out. What did they do to deserve "saving"?

    Make sure Nazis bleed money and population and make sure nothing interferes with natural process. There is plenty of time and time works for Russia.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  auslander on Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:16 am

    Sometimes there is justice. Look at the pile of expended cartridges for the Gvosdika and note the lovely white stripes on the piece. Also notice the extreme attention to safety in the ammo transfer. Enjoy. Warning! NSW&C!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCOnSnknBDs

    Translation of the vid:

    Militiamen on the defeated positions of the APU found a phone with a very interesting video. Recently, a question was raised on TV to counteract the firing of the APU, they say, the Dnieper also fires cities. Here's a video of how the DND artillerymen "work". Only on the enemy. The video is delicious as bacon. Just one hit and the APU APU was torn to shreds right in front of the camera.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:53 am

    In return a little Christmas present for you, from the end of October, this time the ZSU-23-2 idiots stay in position whilst they reload, long enough for the incoming right at the end.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPSuEyEGfcw
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  auslander on Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:13 pm

    That little mortar gift probably left a scar or three. In the words of the Umpteenth Chemical and Biological Warfare Battalion, up your ass with bugs and gas, or in this instance relatively warm metal.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:04 pm

    auslander wrote:That little mortar gift probably left a scar or three. In the words of the Umpteenth Chemical and Biological Warfare Battalion, up your ass with bugs and gas, or in this instance relatively warm metal.
    Pretty accurate shooting. They might have had the spot sussed out as it looked like a prepared position.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:54 pm

    Kiev plans to hold regular mobilization in early 2018 – DPR intelligence


    https://dninews.com/article/kiev-plans-hold-regular-mobilization-early-2018-%E2%80%93-dpr-intelligence


    Does this mean a new draft to cover up expected losses? Or mobilization as in to get reserves ready?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:56 pm

    Cassad


    On the problem of shortage of ammunition in the AFU.

    Nearly 600 self-propelled artillery units for a massive attack on the positions of the Donbas militia have been brought into combat readiness by the Ukrainian military. This was announced on Wednesday, December 20, by the Bulletin of Mordovia.
    At the disposal of the siloviki, according to the data provided, more than 220 self-propelled howitzers 2C1 "Gvozdika" and about 300 units of 152-millimeter "Acacia" arrived. In addition, in the line are the self-propelled guns "Hyacinth", "Msta-S", as well as 203-mm "Peonies", capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 47 kilometers.
    The publication notes that, in addition to self-propelled artillery, the military has more than 1.2 thousand towed guns and rocket launcher systems.
    In fact, such power would long ago allow suppressing all firing points of the NDP and the LNR.

    "This information causes me personally to doubt," said Vladimir Orlov, an expert at the Center for Military and Political Journalism. - According to the estimates that the corps of the People's Militia of the People's Democratic Republic has, this data is overstated three times. And then we will find that the forces of the parties - the APU on the one hand and the armed forces of the Donbas republics on the other - are comparable. The APU has little superiority in artillery and tanks, but it is not important, especially if the Ukrainian army tries to go on the offensive, such an advantage for the victory over the corps of the people's militia is clearly not enough.
    In addition, the Ukrainian army has great problems with ammunition. We remember that a whole series of fires took place in military warehouses, which, according to some estimates, destroyed up to half the APU ammunition. At the same time, they spend a considerable part of the shells ineptly, without aiming at the Donbas.
    We must also understand that during the war, the resource of guns is quickly exhausted, of which they are often fired. And they have nothing to compensate for the old weapons, by and large.
    They could theoretically change the trunks of old guns, but even this can not yet be done.

    "JV": - Nevertheless, recently the bombardment of the cities of the People's Republic of China and the People's Republic of Germany has intensified. This could mean the approach of a large military operation of APU?

    - I think it is unlikely. And for the residents of the Donbass it is even worse, because Kiev is just interested in conducting regular disturbing attacks, but not to bring the matter to the hot phase of the conflict. I admit that the APU is intensifying the shelling along the entire front line. However, they are unlikely to decide to resume shelling of the center of Donetsk or Lugansk. Because they understand: the answer will follow very harsh and the consequences for the Ukrainian military will be painful. And the large-scale offensive of the Ukrainian army is hardly worth waiting for. Perhaps, individual attacks will be strengthened by small units in order to occupy more advantageous positions in the gray zone.

    "JV": - If you evaluate artillery dueling of the last year, who is more effective in them, in your opinion? There are reports that militiamen sometimes manage to destroy whole batteries of APU.

    - Yes, not so long ago there was such a case near Svetlodarsk. As for the effectiveness of the artillery of the parties, it must be understood that the troops have been standing in the same place for almost three years. At the same time artillery requires accuracy. In artillery, people with mathematical abilities who are able to count quickly are selected. So, for three years every hillock, every ravine in the zone of military operations on both sides is perfectly shot. In such conditions it is impossible to deploy the battery and shoot for a long time on the enemy. As soon as the "return" arrives.

    "SP": - In such conditions, probably because of the mobility of the APU it is convenient to use tanks?

    - Most of the tanks are withdrawn from the front line at distances from which they can not be used for shelling. As a rule, with the help of tanks APU conduct night reconnaissance by fighting, covering the infantry. One or two tanks and infantry fighting vehicles enter the battle. For tanks in the Donbas, they rarely use tanks.
    Again, according to the data published by the People's Militia Corps of the People's Republic of Germany, the Supreme Armed Forces have superiority in tanks by about a quarter.

    "JV": - By the way, the amount of ammunition in the APU is extremely contradictory information. Sometimes the Ukrainian generals themselves say that there are almost no shells and missiles for some weapons.

    - Here the fundamental point is that the production of ammunition in Ukraine has not been established. Yes, they are trying to do something for mortars, but they do not have much to do with ammunition for heavy weapons, for rocket launchers. Every year more and more old ammunition goes out of order - the gunpowder gets dirty, it cakes up. That is, many munitions simply will not work or, even worse, can explode in the trunk.

    "SP": - In the APU, before, not very much guarded the personnel.

    - Now the attitude has changed. They treat the personnel more carefully. Although they do not always get it. Especially when in some units the level of moral and business qualities is extremely low. In the same village Luganskaya there are incidents without incident when drunken soldiers of the APU are provoking the local population to a conflict.
    However, to insert a projectile of questionable quality into the gun, they now, most likely, will not. Because they were taught the experience of 2014-2016, when there was a mass of deaths of Ukrainian soldiers from the ruptures of their own guns.

    - By the time of the collapse of the USSR, there was approximately as much equipment on the territory of Ukraine as the "Bulletin of Mordovia" indicates, "says military expert Alexander Shirokorad. - Now this weapon is much smaller. At the moment, the exact data of the availability of military equipment do not know, probably, in the APU itself. The data varies. A considerable part of their artillery they sold to the Third World countries, a lot was lost in Donbass boilers in 2014-2015. As for ammunition, now in Sumy and other places are trying to establish the production of some species, but so far the result is not noticeable. At the most, several hundred new mines and shells were received by the APU. It happens that the APU has to use ammunition even in the sixties of the last century. Despite the supply of shells from the countries of the former socialist camp, despite the fact that the Americans sometimes hand over Soviet-style shells to Ukraine, which they captured in Afghanistan and Iraq, the reserves of the Armed Forces will suffice for just two or three weeks of a full-scale war. Therefore, in fact, Kiev is now interested in drawing out time in the hope that something will come up later.

    http://veche-info.ru/main-themes/4906 - zinc

    A trailer to this material is worth noting that attempts have been made to address the problem of a shortage of production capacity and losses during explosions at artillery depots. In 2018, plans were announced https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/3922526-v-ukrayne-postroiat-zavod-po-proyzvodstvu-boeprypasov-poltorak commissioning a shell plant that must close part of the APU's need for ammunition for artillery guns and, first of all, in old-style shells (there are 122-mm and 152-mm projectiles).
    But while these statements of Poltorak rather reflect good wishes. Even Poltorak himself admits that the 1.4 billion hryvnias allocated for the construction of the plant is only a part of the necessary means, but there is no special way, since there is a deficit of certain ammunition that one way or another must be produced. Therefore, of course they will build - the question is only when and where they will find the money and in what time they can start the plant. As for the year 2018, I strongly doubt that in 2019, it is more likely. It is worth remembering that the need to build a shell factory was spoken in Ukraine back in 2015-2016 https://24tv.ua/en/pochemu_v_vsu_sushhestvuet_deficit_boepripasov_na_tretem_godu_vojny_n817861 , but only at the very end of 2017 was the decision to start such a construction. This shows a sufficiently high level of inertia of the system, which was combed when the problem got really acute.

    At the same time, one should not cherish the illusions that a deficit for certain types of ammunition will lead to a reduction in the shelling of the Donbas. Given the current intensity of hostilities, the APU is quite capable of maintaining the current level of bombardment for a long time and, if necessary, organizing the concentration of artillery fire for one-off actions. Problems are more likely to concern the operational level, when the transition of combat operations to a high-intensity stage can quickly reveal the shortage of production capacities and reserves of the BC for a part of heavy weapons. Needless to say, one should not cherish illusions about the fact that the expansion of the production of shells is planned in Ukraine for something other than for shelling cities and villages of the People's Republic of Donetsk and the People's Republic of Lugansk.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:20 am

    Indirect confirmation of the 5.000 deserters this year of 2017 in Ukrainian army.


    Zakharchenko told about the battalions of the People's Revolutionary Party of Ukraine consisting of defectors from the Supreme Armed Forces




    2017-12-29 10:00


    Antimaydan Kiev , Antimaydan , Antimaydan Ukraine , , DNR news today. Latest news of the Donetsk People's Republic 2017


    Many Ukrainian soldiers, realizing that they are fighting against their people and defend the criminal regime of Kiev, have already gone over to the side of the NDP.

    This was in an interview with military commissar Semyon Pegov told the head of the DNP Alexander Zakharchenko, the correspondent of the "Political Navigator" reports.

    "Our main task is to inform the Supreme Council that they are not at war with those. They howl for some reason and just kill peaceful people. If they understand this and deploy their weapons against Kiev, welcome to us. We have battalions, which consist of soldiers of the APU who have crossed over to our side, "? said the head of the DNR.

    He also noted that for the soldiers of the APU are ready to create new units.

    "From the Ukrainian soldiers who have transferred to our side, we will make battalions" Free Kharkov "," Russian Dnepropetrovsk ", battalion" Russian Khortytsya ",? Zakharchenko added.


    http://antimaydan.info/2017/12/zaharchenko_rasskazal_o_sostoyashih_iz_perebezhchikov_iz_vsu_batalonah_dnr.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:06 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ispan wrote:...Ukraine is not so unprofitable under normal management...

    Land yes but population fuck no. Not worth it.

    Neutralize the armed elements and leave that place to tenderize for several decades. Don't waste money and troops on futile and pointless grind.

    Sit back, be patient and let nature take it's course. Societal collapse and depopulation should take care of the problems.

    I don't know if you are Russian, but I can't believe most Russians think as you. The Russian populace of Ukraine needs to be liberated. And here's why

    this is the second half of a letter from a Russian living in Ukraine.

    Part I

    https://www.fondsk.ru/news/2017/12/27/kak-chast-odnogo-naroda-perekovyvajut-v-politicheskuju-naciu-45330.html

    http://antimaydan.info/2017/12/my_ne_banderovcy_a_chast_razdelennogo_russkogo_naroda.html

    We are not Bandera people, but part of the divided Russian people

    The second letter from Ukraine

    ... Perhaps they will ask me: what about European human rights organizations? Or they do not know about the destruction of the Russian culture of Ukraine, about the persecution of the Russian church? They know! Very well know. As a journalist I had to visit meetings with OSCE and UN representatives - with Eva Schmidt, Fernando Inahara, with the OSCE High Commissioner on the Rights of National Minorities, Lamberto Zannier. Information about the oppression of the Russians, attacks on the church, about the revelry of "activists" before them are brought in considerable volumes. They sigh, write down, thank and ... spread their hands: they say, we have not yet found understanding with the gentlemen Turchinov, Nishchuk, Kirilenko.

    There will be no other. Wait for help from Europe to us, Russian Ukrainians, nothing.

    Now one more lie. About the so-called crypto-Bandera. That is about us, the inhabitants of Ukraine. About the fact that we are allegedly lost people, because in the soul we no longer consider ourselves connected with Russia and the Russians. And, maybe, even in general, we support the anti-Russian policy of the Kiev and American authorities. In general, it is better to leave this lie on the conscience of those who spread it. Probably somewhere in the Lviv region or Ivano-Frankivsk region some percentage of the population falls under this characteristic, but this percentage is heavily overestimated. Just in Western Ukraine there are more screamers. Yes, there the Nazis are more visible, their deputies are sitting in local councils, but what ordinary citizens think there is a big question. In Transcarpathia, for example, Bandera is hated and for mentioning its founder, it is possible to pay heavily. However, the west of Ukraine - the territory is special. The people of the people lived for six centuries outside the united Russian state, were crucified by the Latins and Uniates for their faithfulness to Orthodoxy and Russia. And that he does not know anybody today, I repeat.

    But to say that Kharkov and Odessa, Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev and Kherson took "bandarization" is already nonsense. The Nazis there in an insignificant minority and keep only the support of the authorities and the belief in their own impunity. And Kiev, from the fact that Poroshenko and Lyashko live here, Tyagnybok and Biletsky, I would not hurry to classify as anti-Russian cities. Kievans for the second year in a row form the basis of a hundred thousand religious processions at the end of July, on the Day of the Baptism of Rus. And the procession, I remind you, is held in our country with calls for an end to the war, for the unity of the Orthodox people and for fidelity to canonical (Russian) Orthodoxy. And, by the way, in the "Immortal Regiment", despite the Nazi threats, it's not the first year that the Martians have gone, not the Martians, but those Kievites, who are slandered as "Bandera".

    And when in September 2017 the Verkhovna Rada was already ready to close the Russian Center of Science and Culture (RCSC) in Kiev, representatives of the Kiev creative and scientific intelligentsia sent an open letter to international organizations: People's Artists of Ukraine Nikolay Rushkovsky and Larisa Kadochnikova, People's Artist of Ukraine Radna Sakhaltuev, composer Vladimir Bystryakov, political analyst Mikhail Pogrebinsky and many others.

    The situation is very understandable. The authorities set up nationalists and Nazis for key posts in the state. They give access to weapons to criminals of different caliber. They put them in the courts to judge the dissenters. Intimidate through the media. And a simple person knows what threatens him with disagreement (for example, it is already heard from the writer Yu. Andrukhovich of proposing to enter into the criminal code articles for the everyday condemnation of the Maidan, geyparadov or association with Europe).

    The ideologists of the Maidan control any statement and in the usual disagreement they see a political protest. They are ready to repress and kill. After all, Oles Busin was killed, first of all, for his disagreement with the ideology of the regime that seized power as a result of the coup. And the very murder of Olesya was an act of intimidating the dissenters.

    And the surviving potential leaders of the resistance - Natalia Vitrenko, Vasily Volga, - threatened with threats, are forced to hide. We remember how the Nazis showed to the whole Ukraine, with hooting Victor N. Vitrenko, who were rushing into the apartment. To you in the house can come with a summons only for a post or like in Facebook. Or without any agenda will be armed Nazis. But even in such a situation, we do not have an agreement with the regime, except for the behavior of the chauvinists of certain "figures".

    There are several indicators of the mood of ordinary people. Loyalty to the Russian Church. Fidelity to the memory of the Great Victory. Behavior in everyday life. Activity in social networks. Russian Orthodox churches are full, and the flock is multiplied. Every year I see that there are more people on Victory Day in the Park of Glory in Kiev. And come with flowers young families. Here we see a clear disagreement with the general spirit of power, rejection of the regime established in Ukraine.

    And it is worth breaking into the media space news that under pressure and repression there were brave people who resisted - these people immediately feel the moral support of thousands of fellow citizens.

    We did not forget the brave act of the Chief of Police of the Dnepropetrovsk region, General Igor Repesko, who together with his staff on May 9 defended the demonstrators from hooliganism ("radicals"). Repecko was fired Avakov at the request of Kolomoisky, who calls himself Zheludoanderovtsem. But at the same time, an honest officer, refusing to apologize, wrote on the social network: "I'm not ashamed to look into the eyes of the residents of the Dnipropetrovsk region and especially the personnel of the State Unitary Enterprise."

    We did not forget how in April 2017 in Kherson law enforcers and local deputies conducted a search in the lair of punishers of the "Right Sector" (the organization is banned in the Russian Federation). With the risk to their career and life, they seized weapons and ammunition from local "rightists" and arrested the leader of the Euro-Maidan in Kherson, Andrei Nalivayko (a Nazi who killed a policeman in 2014).

    And Odessa, of course, remains a Russian city. The local Nazis, led by Sergei Sternenko, support the government, but the Odessa citizens, protesting against the actions of Mayor Trukhanov (either defending the stolen hospital, or the monument to Empress Catherine), oppose the regime that put Trukhanov on the post. And recently carried out by the pro-Western fund "Democracies and Environments?" Kujo-Cheryva "poll showed: 77% of the population of that part of the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, which is controlled by Kiev, consider this power alien to itself.

    A lot of the same evidence comes from Vinnitsa, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev. Have the ATU "hero" been kicked out of the minibus, violent disputes broke out in lines, in polyclinics, in savings banks - everywhere words and actions directed against the current authorities find people's approval. My personal feeling: Nazism, pathological Russophobia - the minority's lot. And in the South-East - an insignificant minority.

    And more about Kiev. An interesting observation was recently published by a familiar journalist. At the Kiev cemeteries 90% of the new graves are accompanied by the words of sorrow in Russian. Is not this a testimony of who the Kievites consider themselves to be?

    The conclusion is simple: despite the powerful pressure of the authorities, the media, education authorities, special services, the people of Ukraine are largely incapable of alteration. Укронацисты recognize, that fidelity to the past (for them damn) is deeply rooted in consciousness. Opponents of historical Russia were faced with something essential, which is inherent in us. However, the danger is great, and it is growing. A young generation that does not have the experience of living in a single country, as part of one people, can easily be manipulated by propaganda. From every corner, propaganda reiterates: "You have to be Ukrainian, Russian is dangerous." And here the decisive strategic factor - time - comes to the forefront. As time goes by, we lose in the fight against the many-faced enemy. A new generation is being cultivated by a memoryless "political nation" that is taught: we are strangers with Russia, we are enemies.

    So that in the circumstances in which Ukraine is now compelled to live, our people have not lost the future, we need outside assistance. Without help, it is impossible to do, as it is impossible to free oneself from captivity to unarmed people, if they are surrounded by an armed enemy.

    The inexorably rapid progress of time requires systematic actions from all who are not indifferent to the destiny of a single people. It is extremely important to broadcast at the state level not only to a politically sophisticated citizen of Ukraine, but also to the most ordinary people. Through TV programs, Internet channels to them should come from Russia: you are not left, we are still together. You are not strangers to us. Here is our common history, our culture, our faith. And only then will the words of President V. Putin about one people be filled with effective content.

    It is extremely important that our real friends in Russia resolutely dissociate themselves from those who say that we are a different people, not far from Khokhl. And it is unacceptable, when in Moscow is organized www.fondsk.ru "demonstration of films glorifying murderers of Russian people in Donbass."

    It is important at the slightest opportunity to declare to the world: the events of 1991 were for the peoples of historical Russia not only geopolitical, but also social, and human catastrophe, an open act of war. The tragic consequences of the disaster are to be overcome. Such words would greatly encourage us here in the lands of Ukraine occupied by the West.

    It is important to train young cadres outside Ukraine, in an uninhabited zone. We need open, all-round support for the supporters of Russian unity thrown in Ukrainian prisons, as the best representatives of a single people who have proved their fidelity to this unity by personal feat. We need support in the face of the whole world of Russian Ukraine as a land where the separated part of the people lives. And do not repeat: they say, they start to starve - they will grow wiser. A few fanatics will never grow wiser. For them, hatred is more important than well-being. As for the rest, they are waiting for help. And they hope.

    In conclusion, I emphasize once again: while there is no "political nation of Ukrainians" yet, its formation is proceeding quickly. And there's no time to lose. Otherwise, the words about "one people" will lose their meaning, and from the converted Little Russians the vanguard of war against Russia will be formed. A kind of Ukrainian IGIL (the organization is banned in Russia), no matter how wild.

    And the enemy in all cases will continue to introduce into the minds of one people the idea of ​​Ukrainian "otherness", the betrayal of Ukrainians. It's a lie. There is no betrayal. There is only spiritual oppression, liberation from which should become a common pain and a common cause of the whole temporarily divided people.

    Kiev, December 2017

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    Donbass-2017: The Republic leaves Ukraine further

    DNP and LNR, despite serious difficulties, strengthen statehood

    For the past year, politically active Russian citizens have continued to closely monitor what happened in the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics. This year began for the belligerent Donbas with serious battles near Avdeevka and the introduction of an economic blockade on the part of Kiev. And it ends with another exacerbation now in the vicinity of the suburbs of Gorlovka - the settlements of Gladosovo, Holma and Zaitsevo. Against this background, relatively positive news can be called unless the December 27 exchange of prisoners .

    On the whole, in military terms, the year can not be called successful for the People's Democratic Republic and the People's Republic of Germany. A few more pieces of "gray zones" have been lost. Losses have increased. This is mainly due to the activation of the sniper war. The APU understood that in artillery duels they lose to the brigades of the people's republics. Therefore, using more modern sniper armament with thermal imagers, Ukrainian soldiers and foreign mercenaries quite often arrange a hunt for the military of the Donbass in the evening and at night. By the way, these shellings of the OSCE do not record as a violation of the Minsk agreements. But the firing of mortars from the places from which the sniper fire is conducted, are counted as violations by the NDP and the LNR. The death of civilians continues. The total number of deaths during the years of conflict only in the People's Democratic Republic, according to official figures, is approaching five thousand people.

    Is it possible to consider the outgoing year as the year of lost opportunities for the People's Republic of China and the People's Republic of Germany?

    "There are processes that go beyond our will," says Alexei Anpilogov, director of the Foundation for Historical Research "Founding". "We can sleep through the dawn, but the sun will still rise in the East." So is the situation with the Donbas. By itself, a year lived by the NDP and the LNR without the dictates of the Russophobic Kiev authorities, means a lot. These two republics are developing according to some internal laws, with which it is becoming increasingly difficult to ignore politicians, both in Ukraine and in Russia.

    Every year internal confrontation is shared by the fate of people living on different sides of the line of demarcation in the Donbas. Children who are educated on very different textbooks are growing than their peers in Ukraine. These children in the People's Republic of Germany and the People's Republic of Germany have other heroes and a different culture. In general, the inhabitants of the republics are increasingly oriented toward Russia. If Ukrainians are trying to convince that their future should be connected primarily with the European Union (while keeping silent that the vast majority of them are only considered there as potential laborers), then the children of Donbass every year are expanding educational opportunities. First of all, this is due to the humanitarian programs that the Russian Federation is implementing. This is the exchange of students, and the employment of young professionals, and various courses. This process in something is already irreversible.

    But what concerns conscious efforts of politicians to resolve the conflict in the Donbass in one direction or another, then I believe that the year was in many ways truly a year of lost opportunities.

    Russian politicians did not take proactive steps, acted on the situation. This happened with the beginning of the economic blockade of Donbass in February of this year. Long before its introduction, it was clear that it was necessary to establish strong economic ties between the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of Germany and Russia, since there are still no other options for developing the economy in the Donbas republics. Either it was necessary to live a subsistence economy, which would lead to a complete impoverishment of the population, or to cooperate seriously with the Russian economy.

    It was necessary to more actively engage in the recognition of the republics. The issue of issuing Russian passports to citizens of the People's Republic of China and the People's Republic of China was raised. It was necessary to clearly distinguish the inhabitants of the Donbas republics, placing them on the territory of Russia in more favorable conditions than migrant workers from Ukraine.

    In my opinion, insufficient efforts have been made to resuscitate economic life in the Donbass republics themselves. Many owners of Donetsk and Lugansk enterprises were not interested in the development of their enterprises. Someone for economic reasons, and some for ideological ones: they say, we will do harm to ourselves, but "separatists" will be worse. The introduction of external management, if not broken the economic situation in the Donbass, then at least kept many businesses from closing.

    And so on the whole range of issues - something was done, but not done enough.

    "JV": - Is it possible to say that Russia's languid justifying position caused the US and Canada to officially authorize the supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine? How serious will this situation in the Donbass be?

    - Of course, Russia took a deaf defense, and this in the strategic plan sooner or later leads to the fact that the enemy is gradually insolent, allows himself more. Well, in practical terms, I think that the supply of Western sniper rifles and anti-tank complexes will lead to the fact that excavations in the abandoned mines will begin in the Donbass, resulting in more modern anti-sniper systems, tanks, and possibly even assault tactical aviation.

    I am sure that the cooperation between Russia and the Donbas republics will continue. And I would not be surprised if in the Donbass there will be their Kulibins, who will be able to create certain military-technical novelties on the basis of the military equipment captured by the APU.

    But if you put aside the irony, all this will lead to an increase in the number of victims on both sides.

    "SP": - Igor Plotnitsky's resignation from the post of the head of the Luhansk People's Republic will be able to improve the situation in the LDP and improve the relations of the LDP and the NDP?

    - We must understand that the events in Donetsk and Lugansk are largely set by the events that take place primarily in Moscow, and, to a lesser extent, the events taking place in Kiev and Washington. Of course, the variant of quasi-statehood, which was built in the LC, proved to be flawed even in comparison with the DNR. Since the management style of Plotnitsky was based on a very "farm" level. It was in many respects the product of the local Ukrainian system. Everything was decided only through the first person. And the first person clearly lacked state strategic thinking. And Moscow was accumulating more and more questions in the field of economic recovery, the targeted use of aid coming from Russia.

    The work of the special services was badly built, which explains the significant number of terrorist attacks, even in the very center of Lugansk. And when it finally became clear that Mr. Plotnitsky could not cope, at the first domestic political conflict in LNR, the question arose about his replacement. In addition, emerged such situations as the staged suicide of the former prime minister of the LNR Gennady Tsypkalov . All this did not help strengthen the work of the Luhansk People's Militia as a whole. I think that in the political life of PLN, Plotnitsky will no longer participate. And for the republic it is generally a positive factor. As in the republic the current acting head of the LNR, Leonid Pasechnik , as well as the chief of the people's militia Igor Kornet are respected among the political activists of the republic. In addition, they are more inclined to cooperate with the DNR. In addition, there is the fact that Pasechnik and Kornet, who come from power structures, will find it much easier to find a common language with the head of the People's Democratic Republic of Belarus, Alexander Zakharchenko , who for three years proved to be a combat commander and his authority in the forces of the people's militia is indisputable.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:02 am

    Thanks Ispan for posting these articles. It helps mental gymnastics working out some of the name translations. Happy New Year to you.
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    Post  Ispan on Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:44 pm

    Thank you, John. Overtime you pick up the Russian vocabulary and the unusual translations like "boiler" or "cauldron" for "pocket. Happy New Year ! To victory and peace!


    Donbass-2018: Three options for getting out of the bloody impasse



    War in Ukraine



    2018-01-03 10:17


    DNR news today. Latest news of Donetsk People's Republic 2017 , News of Russia

    Is it worth waiting for dramatic changes in the situation in the People's Republic of Germany and the LC?

    For several years the Donetsk and Lugansk peoples' republics have been living in a state of war. Every day the death toll increases. And not only military, but also civilians. The common place was to say that Minsk agreements are not being implemented. However, forever the state of the semi-war, exhausting the inhabitants of the People's Republic of China and the People's Republic of Germany, can not continue. Will the new year 2018 bring a change not only for the republics of Donbass, but also for the geopolitical position of the whole of Russia?

    - 2017 has now finally revealed that the situation in the Donbass has reached a dead end, "said Mikhail Aleksandrov, a leading expert at the Center for Military and Political Studies of the Moscow State Institute of International Relations. - Kiev has made it clear that it is not going to implement the Minsk agreements. And the whole strategy aimed at achieving reconciliation between the parties, the implementation of Minsk-2, and thus turning Ukraine into a de facto neutral country, showed its inconsistency. The West does not intend to push Kiev towards real integration with the People's Democratic Republic of Germany and the People's Republic of Germany. He does not need it. On the contrary, he is interested in prolonging the conflict for as long as possible. And Russia has no leverage to force Kiev to implement the Minsk agreements in conditions when the West regularly pours up Poroshenko's regime with loans .

    In this situation, the question arises of a new strategy. Out of the impasse, in fact, only three outputs. The first is the capitulation of Russia and the surrender of Donbass. This option will lead in the future to the loss of the Crimea. This will mean the end of the existence of Russia as an independent subject of world politics. I dare to hope that the Russian leadership will never go to such an option. The second option is the continuation of the endless bloody crush around the Donbas. With endless shelling and the growth of anti-Russian sanctions. Either - the third option - we will go along the way of escalation of this conflict. That is, in response to the shelling of the territory of the Democratic People's Republic of Germany and the People's Republic of Germany, for deliveries of American and other Western weapons, we will help the NDP and the LNR liberate the occupied territories, which held the referendum on May 11, 2014. And then we recognize these republics by analogy with how we did it with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

    Then on the basis of these republics it will be possible to return to the formation of the project of a large New Russia, to which Kharkiv region, Odessa region and other regions of present-day Ukraine will certainly want to join. I think that next year Russia should abandon the concept of supporting the territorial integrity of Ukraine laid down in the Minsk agreements. Of course, after that Russia will be imposed even more serious sanctions. The situation will be close to the "Iron Curtain" of the Cold War. But now this curtain, first of all economic, will be pulled out by the West. But we will find ourselves in a more favorable geopolitical position.

    I think that we are ready for this situation. We already have an internal payment system. With many countries we have agreements on settlements in national currencies, bypassing the dollar. As history has shown more than once, the West is going to negotiate with those with whom it can not do anything. So it was, for example, in the 1920s with Soviet Russia.

    "SP": - What is fraught with the continuation of the option of "trampling on the spot"?

    "A sluggish war with periodic exacerbations will continue." The number of victims on both sides will only increase. Russia will bear economic costs. They will also increase, too. This situation can lead to a positive result for Russia only if the Kiev regime collapses. But this will not happen as long as the West supports it. And the West is unlikely to give up support for Poroshenko or similar anti-Russian leaders in Ukraine.

    As a result, the story with the Donbas will remain as an ulcer on the body of Russia. A permanent ulcer, as we know, is fraught with infection of blood. If we say the language of politics, the unresolved problem of the Donbass will constantly hold us back, restrict Russia's foreign policy activity. And all this will continue to undermine the authority of our government both among the patriotic forces inside the country and in the international arena.

    "SP": - In this case, and the human resources of the Donbass are not unlimited. In the Donetsk and Lugansk republics there are about three and a half million people. Every year, only according to official data, several hundred servicemen of the People's Democratic Republic and the People's Republic of Germany die in the conflict. Basically these are young men ...

    - To begin with, the inhabitants of the republics lose perspective. First there was the prospect of joining Russia in the Crimean scenario. This did not happen. The peaceful life, which was hoped for when the Minsk agreements were signed, also does not come. In the end, what happens? The most ideological people will stay in the Donbass and will fight. Remain and the elderly, who have nowhere to go. But most of it will go to Russia and other countries. So, there will be no one to work in the Donbass, the economy will not develop, rather, vice versa. And this, in turn, will lead to the fact that Russia will need more and more subsidies, which will additionally burden our budget.

    Of course, migrants from the Donbass can benefit Russia, but not for all of them we have decent jobs. At a certain stage, after 5-6 years, the Donbas is so weakened that it will not be able to resist. Ukrainian saboteurs will seep into increasingly large numbers in the territory of the People's Democratic Republic of Germany and the People's Republic of Germany, organize terrorist attacks, the Ukrainian armed forces will seize pieces of the territory of the republics. That is, we will observe the slow death of Donbass. I hope that the leadership of Russia understands how dangerous it is for him, and will not allow such a development of events.

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    Post  Ispan on Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:55 pm


    Inescapable conclusion is that if Poroshenko wants to hold on power he has no other exit than war and dictatorship


    The darkest prospects: what will happen to Ukraine in the new year



    2018-01-04 21:20


    The Kiev junta , Antimaydan Ukraine

    Predicting the future of Ukraine is quite difficult. After all, most of the decisions made in the country depend not on the authorities - the president, the government and the parliament, but from the so-called external curators - the US and the EU.

    On the other hand, the head of the Ukrainian state for three years of the presidency has mastered the art so well to please the curators, using their contradictions and disagreements and respecting their own political and business interests, that it is not difficult to predict the preservation of the current regime in the next 18 months presidential elections). At the same time, there will be constant attempts of "friends" Poroshenko from the opposition to swing the boat of Ukrainian politics in order to replace him with a figure less experienced and more convenient to the West.

    Therefore, without giving precise forecasts about the future of Ukraine in 2018, it is possible to identify the main trends.

    Poverty, corruption, economic collapse

    For three years, that is, since 2014, political analysts inside and outside the country have not doubted the fragility of the Poroshenko regime and the possible, even inevitable, of its early renewal.

    The reason - in the stagnation of the economy, which during his reign collapsed and was in last place in Europe in terms of incomes. And also, despite the pre-election promises of the head of state, the endless civil war in Ukraine continues, and its victims are multiplying. The third sign of the early collapse of the regime is the corruption that has developed and assumed cosmic proportions. In this indicator, Ukraine took the first place in Europe and firmly holds it, which, undoubtedly, will continue in the coming 2018.

    However, Poroshenko resisted. Moreover, if you carefully look at the regime itself, the president remained in power precisely because of these signs of Ukrainian unhappiness.

    The economy (in the situation when Ukraine's debt is almost equal to the annual GDP, which is more than $ 70 billion) is being kept afloat by means of Western subsidies, which, though meager, but feed the Ukrainian authorities of the IMF and the EU.

    The lack of progress in the implementation of the Minsk Agreements through the fault of Ukraine makes the civil conflict in the east of the country endless. This is extremely beneficial to the West, which created a bleeding ulcer near the borders of Russia.

    And corruption allows Poroshenko to keep power among the Ukrainian business elite, who can only build corrupt businesses through corrupt ties in parliament and higher echelons of power.

    At the same time, the president can not go to the next election as an ordinary candidate. His popularity with voters, according to the latest ratings, is below 10 percent, and political antipathies to him are identified as the highest in the country, almost 25 percent, as evidenced even by sociologists loyal to the regime. That is, Poroshenko in the upcoming elections will have to fight not for his rating from loyal and neutral voters, but against millions of his opponents who are not just disillusioned with him, but categorically do not accept him.

    War, Terror, Murder

    In this situation, the president can make the only convenient for him political step - to declare martial law. Either only in Lugansk and Donetsk regions, or also in Kharkov, Zaporozhye and Odessa, where its main "antipatics" are concentrated. This "martial law" allows you to disconnect these territories from the election campaign, and then it will be possible to hold it with a minimum for itself Poroshenko margin in the votes.

    To justify such a decision, it is necessary that "terrorist acts" continue on the territory of the country: explosions of weapons stores, mass actions of nationalists and radicals, attacks on government bodies and law and order, and shelling of territories in the zone of civil conflict in the east. Therefore, in 2018, we can expect an increase in the "sabotage activities" of unknown groups on the territory of Ukraine, an increase in the number of attempts to assassinate the most loyal authorities of deputies, and "prevent" further attacks on the head of state himself.

    Of course, this scenario of the unconstitutional seizure of power (or rather, its retention) by the current political clique is not satisfied primarily with the West. Therefore, Poroshenko will promote the idea of ​​"aggression of Russia against Ukraine" by exciting all the methods available to him, stirring up Western public opinion with his "defensive and defensive" function, according to which Ukraine, the president and his regime are the last bulwark against the Kremlin's "aggressive plans."

    Whether the West takes such an interpretation is a big question. After all, Russian diplomacy will not silently look at the obvious propaganda lies of the Ukrainian president.

    Poroshenko has nowhere to run

    Hence another scenario for the development of the situation. While maintaining, of course, the "growing eastern threat." He proposes amendments to the constitution of Ukraine, according to which the president is elected not by universal suffrage, but by the parliament of the country. Either - as an option - the changes suggest a weakening of the president's functions to the representative ones and the strengthening of the prime minister's powers, since the prime minister is also elected not by the population, but by the parliament. Poroshenko learned how to work with the latter (especially in its present composition).

    If this scenario is involved, then Poroshenko and his team should start implementing it right after the New Year, since the procedure for introducing amendments to the Constitution just requires an annual cycle.

    In any case - and this is perhaps the most important thing - the Ukrainian president is not going to leave the post or pass it on to any of his successors. There are no successors, but there are hidden and obvious enemies of the regime who, having come to power, will take revenge, will be punished first of all with their predecessors, that is, with Poroshenko and his team.

    And it is this - to take revenge on the predecessors and deal with them - in Ukraine they learned how to do virtuoso. And just under Poroshenko. But there is nowhere to run from his wrath and revenge to his enemies.

    Zakhar Vinogradov, RIA Novosti columnist

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:48 am

    Want a good read what Klimkin is saying?

    http://ren.tv/novosti/2018-01-05/klimkin-zayavil-chto-ukraincy-spasiteli-polskoy-ekonomiki

    Too many punches to the head, eh Klimkin?
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    Post  kvs on Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:10 am

    auslander wrote:That little mortar gift probably left a scar or three. In the words of the Umpteenth Chemical and Biological Warfare Battalion, up your ass with bugs and gas, or in this instance relatively warm metal.

    That high pitched wailing by one of the wounded says it all.

    It pains me to see this, but these Kiev terror bombers deserve the pain, wailing and death.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:11 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Want a good read what Klimkin is saying?

    http://ren.tv/novosti/2018-01-05/klimkin-zayavil-chto-ukraincy-spasiteli-polskoy-ekonomiki

    Too many punches to the head, eh Klimkin?

    Ukrainian toilet cleaners save the Polish economy. LOL.

    Maybe if they finally broke through that massive sewer clog.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  kvs on Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:20 am

    auslander wrote:That little mortar gift probably left a scar or three. In the words of the Umpteenth Chemical and Biological Warfare Battalion, up your ass with bugs and gas, or in this instance relatively warm metal.

    The damage control brigade is out in force, posting montages from this video to "prove" that it is fake.
    Ukr ubermenschen never suffer on the front, they only dish out the "justice".
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:38 am

    kvs wrote:
    auslander wrote:That little mortar gift probably left a scar or three. In the words of the Umpteenth Chemical and Biological Warfare Battalion, up your ass with bugs and gas, or in this instance relatively warm metal.

    The damage control brigade is out in force, posting montages from this video to "prove" that it is fake.  
    Ukr ubermenschen never suffer on the front, they only dish out the "justice".

    No way it was fake, they couldn't have the imagination to create being that stupid. Then to compound it by posting it. Jeez!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Enera on Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:48 pm

    I was randomly browsing youtube and found the following. Oliver Stone is probably the only unbiased party in the whole Hollywood;he's a good and objective film maker. Bit of NSFW due to some WW2 imagery and stuff but the video explains quite well how Maidan was put in motion and who's actually in power at Kiev (which we all know now to be Neo-Nazis) all in one documentary. Hope it fits to the thread theme, but if not please move it to a different topic. The documentary helped me to complement and connect the news contributions we have regarding Ukraine situation so it's worth watching. It is a fairly extensive documentary of odd one hour and half, starting from WW2 to exposition to Bandera and up until formation of ultranationalist government in Kiev.



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