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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:58 am

    Reading about 350 mill for Ukrops... ummm
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:59 am

    White House Denies Approving of Supply Lethal Weapons to Ukraine

    https://sputniknews.com/us/201711101058972976-usa-lethal-weapons-ukraine-denial/

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    Post  ATLASCUB on Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:55 am

    PapaDragon wrote:White House Denies Approving of Supply Lethal Weapons to Ukraine

    https://sputniknews.com/us/201711101058972976-usa-lethal-weapons-ukraine-denial/

    Congress approved the money, just like the sanctions. They're at the administration's disposal to use it when they see fit. See it as an advanced payment. Good cop/Bad cop routine. I will admit that going by U.S proxy spending, 350 mill is chump change.... it would be more noteworthy if it were in the 1-3 billion range. Although you never know how much the CIA funds "undercover".
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:06 am

    Actually, I think the more they spend the better....$350 mil is just symbolic...just testing the waters
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    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:24 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Actually, I think the more they spend the better....$350 mil is just symbolic...just testing the waters
    Hopefully this was irony.. we want less bodybags after all Ukrainians are brothers and sisters. I mean the population not the government.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:13 am

    No irony...to me it looks like the strategy is to let the other side throw as much money as possible at Ukr. (which is a black hole)

    If you want less bodybags the current situation has to be resolved one way or the other. At the moment it's just festering away.

    As for brothers and sisters...maybe, but they sure ain't acting like it
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:28 am

    In the Duma, Kiev was offered to inspect the moon instead of the Crimea

    Kiev time to stop speculating on the Russian status of the Crimea. This statement was made by the State Duma deputy from the Crimean region Mikhail Sheremet, commenting on the words of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine that the peninsula will soon be visited by US military inspectors .

    The parliamentarian recalled that Crimea after the referendum in 2014 is a subject and an integral part of the Russian Federation. Instead of the peninsula, the deputy ironically invited the Ukrainian side to organize an inspection of the moon....

    Arrow https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201711111144-onph.htm
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  auslander on Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:16 pm

    The only way US Military will be entertained in Krimu or Sevastopol is as participants in the Victory Day Parade......as bound and walking prisoners escorted by guards with fixed bayonets and dogs.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:37 pm

    Ukraine keeps saying shit like this to keep stirring the pot, especially between Moscow and Washington. In all regards, even they know they won't get Crimea back, even Donetsk and Lughansk. But, they know how to keep on talking. Look at their falling relations with Serbia or even Hungary? They really know how to put their foot into their mouths.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:18 am

    Lets face it, their past actions have shown they don't know how to behave in decent civilised society...

    After their illegal coup in Kiev to remove the regime that was signing up with Russia instead of the EU (even then the Ukrainian regime was not pro Russia... it was just not stupid and realised the deal Russia was offering was much better than the deal being offered by the EU) should have arranged immediate full elections to legalise the governing forces so the people would get a say in who was in control in Kiev instead of the illegal actions by those who took power who then tried to impose their will on all of the Ukraine.

    The facts are that the rebels are not pro Russian as much as they are anti Kiev coup regime.

    Real elections are not really possible now which means the problem can't really be resolved at the ballot box any more, so one side thinks it is in control because it is the government, but does not have the support of the people. The other side are branded pro Russian when Russia really has nothing to do with this.... this is an internal problem.

    Crimea was a separate issue... it was always Russian and just goes to show idiots who think force wins that it does not.

    Experience in Crimea shows if the population wants to be Russian there is little the Ukrainian forces in Crimea can do to change that.

    Just the same in the Ukraine however... just because the rebels are anti Kiev does not mean they would welcome Russian troops any more than they would welcome british or french or americans.


    They are not saying they are not ukrainian, they are saying they don't recognise the current illegal regime in kiev that has bombed them and killed them and done nothing a real government should be doing for its people.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  par far on Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:27 pm

    “LUGANSK CONSIDERS CEASING STRUGGLE FOR INDEPENDENCE FROM UKRAINE.”

    WTF, why are they even considering this.

    https://southfront.org/lugansk-considers-ceasing-struggle-for-independence-from-ukraine/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:26 pm



    2017-11-13 07:18




    Publicist and editor-in-chief of the newspaper Zavtra, Andrei Fefelov, talks with the commander of the Donbas militia Vladimir Novikov about the betrayal of Yanukovych, the Maidan and resistance to Nazism.

    (extract of the relevant part)


    - There come new times. Now it is clear that the Minsk process is coming to an end. We were again in a situation of growing conflict. And this situation, to put it mildly, we are not very profitable. But if we recall the events of Minsk-1, was there really an opportunity to take Mariupol and create the very same Novorossiia, which was talked about so much?

    "Do not sit down to play cards with cheaters - a wise idea, right?" The West elementary dissolved Yanukovych. It was a classic version of European geo-fraud. What was their guarantee? - there were no guarantees! ..


    As of September 2014, the Ukrainian army as such no longer existed, it was a disunited, uncoordinated, demoralized crowd. After Ilovaysky boiler they ran on the line of demarcation, and we caught them in the rear. Mariupol was empty, because there was information that there would be an offensive on the city. According to my intelligence, everyone escaped from the city, it was possible to go quietly and gain a foothold.

    - Hollande and Merkel were afraid that you will have a strategic outlet to the sea.

    - They understood one thing - another month of such advancement, and it can not be stopped, because there will be an offensive equal to the speed of the tank.

    - If it really would be as you say, the militia would have reached Kiev.

    - Not only. Would have reached the western border. There was a mass of people in the militia from everywhere. And from Subcarpathian Russia were, and from Ivano-Frankivsk ... Everyone wanted to liberate their homeland.

    "But then, at the request of the so-called" legitimate government ", NATO troops would enter the country, and what would have happened next is not entirely clear.

    "NATO troops are a scarecrow that is numerically and listically very serious, but in fact it's just a team of hodgepodge of some units. For example, US troops are a machine. And European troops are a number of battalions commanded by homosexuals.

    "NATO understands, first of all, technology (aircraft, missiles), which the United States owns.

    - And who of NATO soldiers wants to fight? They can well do a sweep, for example, in Iraq, when everything and everything has already been bombed, wiped off the face of the earth. But when there is a positional war, trench, I do not recall an international conflict where they showed themselves zealous warriors.

    - Well, the special forces probably have them.

    - In September 2014, when the formation of a serious militia began, when small detachments began to unite into large units and units, NATO special forces could not do anything. All people are alive, everyone dies equally.

    I'm sure when Europe invested money in the Maidan, she absolutely did not want this maidan to roll back, and everything returned to its original positions. Therefore, in exchange for stopping the offensive of the militia, they promised to lift the sanctions.

    - Most likely, they promised Putin to freeze the conflict. And now, by all accounts, this conflict is going to unfreeze. And Ukraine, strangely enough, does not really want to fight, and Western comrades are pushing Ukraine into a direct military clash with Russia by hitting the Donbas.

    - Let's call things by their own names: we will never be friends with the West. They wanted to fight Russia not with NATO troops, not with their taxpayers, or with the children of these taxpayers, who, roughly speaking, would take them out on the villas of the Elysee Palace, but with the hands of crazy nationalists. And when they saw that the militia was about to demolish the Ukrainian army, they ran to Moscow and began to try in every possible way to bargain with some preferences, promises ...

    "But it's a secret story." The obvious political history is that the law on the reintegration of the Donbass is adopted in the parliament, it does not mention the Minsk agreements and provides for a forceful solution of the issue. The grouping of the Ukrainian army is located not far from Donetsk. How will the events develop if a decision is made to start reintegrating the Donbass in a forceful way?

    - I believe that all dirty work will be done by the hands of the Supreme Armed Forces and punitive national battles. After the stripping, peacekeepers will come and try to gain a foothold.

    "What's happening now?"

    - About 70-80 thousand people are on the line of contact. There is a mobilization. NATO advisers lead people to training camps, where they actively train them. The Ukrainian army favorably differs from the army that was in 2014. They have been fighting for years. Their fighting ability at times became higher.

    - They, first of all, will go over the border?

    - Most likely, everything will start with a blow from Mariupol along the border and a cutting blow in the Zaitsevo district, almost along the administrative border of the NDP and the LNR, towards the Russian border. On Donetsk itself, there will be no obvious offensive on Makeyevka, no one needs a sea of ​​blood, and from a strategic point of view, big cities do not make sense. They are easier to take in the environment, cut supply and then negotiate.

    - Previously, Ukrainians all the time fell into the boilers. Is it different now?

    - 95% of the volunteers left and will go again - a very big question. People went to fight against fascism, but in the end, what did they get? How those who signed the "Minsk" can explain to the families of the dead volunteers from Russia - what did they fight there for ?!

    - How much is the Ukrainian army capable and will use aviation?

    - I think if a decision is made on force reintegration, the only chance for the Ukrainian army is to go into battle with all possible means of destruction. Moreover, the former countries of the Warsaw Pact helped Ukraine well. All that is needed is.

    - Attempts to invade, seize the territory of the republics will cause Russia's resistance, namely, the deployment there of Russian troops and a direct clash of the Russian army with the Ukrainian army?

    - I do not know about the introduction of troops, it would be a very sharp maneuver for Russia.

    - Of course, one must understand the tragedy of this situation, because that Ukrainian army and officers who knowingly make their choice are the same Russians ...

    - It's my pain, to be honest. Unfortunately, the enemy is 99% of youngsters, teenagers who do not know the history. They are children of the 80-90's of birth. And the officers of our age are only ideological, who for whatever reason are ready to fight.

    In fact, all the captured officers said one thing: "I have an order. I took the oath of Ukraine "... As an officer, I understand him, but there is a notion of non-fulfillment of a criminal order ... They can not be altered, they are not pitiful. But these youngsters are biomass used for mercantile purposes. I feel very sorry for them.

    Source: zavtra.ru
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:28 pm

    I can see why they would be interested in giving up, thanks to Moscow and its stupidity. But, they also know that giving up, they either face death, life in prison or leave the country. So they are now at point of no return imo.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  auslander on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:10 pm

    par far wrote:“LUGANSK CONSIDERS CEASING STRUGGLE FOR INDEPENDENCE FROM UKRAINE.”

    WTF, why are they even considering this.

    https://southfront.org/lugansk-considers-ceasing-struggle-for-independence-from-ukraine/


    Read the article and think about it. One schmuck who ain't elected says something? Know this. If anyone tries to surrender either DNR or LNR to the orcs, their necks will be stretching rope on a lamp post, pure and simple. We know too many people up there to think otherwise, let alone two of the five of our nearest and dearest are serving up there, very soon to be three.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:19 pm

    It wasn't long after said statement that LNR is being hit by artillery. So I think they know better. Especially since the proclaimed statement was in regards to meeting Minsk 2 agreement.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:42 pm

    auslander wrote: let alone two of the five of our nearest and dearest are serving up there, very soon to be three.

    May their God be with them.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:13 pm

    Good analysis:

    summary: US wants "peacekeepers" to reoccupy Donbass for Ukraine, failing that, there will be a renewal of hostilities



    2017-11-13 18:10


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    As we predicted a few days before the start of the large-scale offensive operation of the SAA on the last major fortified area of ​​IGIL, the southern city of Abu-Kemal (including the neighborhood), after taking control of most of it by the Syrian army and its allies, the US leadership set out in all serious ways compensation for the operational and strategic defeat that led to the loss of the entire southern operational area, which initially loomed the creation of a tactical "corridor" from Abu-Kemal to At-Tanf. The access of the Kurds (YPG / YPJ) to the Mediterranean coast of Syria is reliably blocked by the thousands of units of the "Syrian Free Army" supported by units of the regular Turkish army, as well as the SAA in the provinces of Idlib and Alep. Moreover, the western enclave of SDF (located in the north-western part of the governorate of Aleppo) continues to remain in the "cauldron", closed by the units of the Turkish, Turkish and French SAA. From the main grouping of the "Syrian Democratic Forces", this enclave is separated by the pro-Turkish "core" of the "Syrian Free Army", located between the cities of Azaz and Jarabulus. All areas are closely monitored with the help of RED and reconnaissance UAVs of the Turkish Armed Forces, which makes it impossible for the Kurds to make special, tactically advantageous, "body movements".
    The only way out for Washington could be another multitrack, where initially, through the "channels" of Riyadh, the anti-asad units of the SSA, acting against the Syrian army and Hezbollah, will be activated to weaken, and then the fully-controlled Kurdish forces will join. This is clearly expressed in today's aggravation of relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran. At the same time, in this field, the activities of Americans will for many months or even years be constrained by the establishment of new post-war de-escalation zones in the Syrian theater, so the only possibility of increasing the Trump administration's lowering to the curb level remains the implementation of a successful power strategy at the Donbas theater of operations.

    Such a strategy of Washington is wholly and completely traced in the details of the latest absurd initiative spreading among high-ranking officials of the Congress and the US State Department and reaching the ears of journalists of the "Wall Street Journal" magazine. It is about preparing a proposal for the deployment of a 20,000-strong international peacekeeping contingent on both sides of the contact line in the Donbas. As the publication specifies, representatives of the US leadership can submit this initiative to the Russian Federation for "the coming days", moreover, they will "seek its approval from Moscow." How do you like this alignment? For whom do we generally accept in the international political arena ?!

    To begin with, consider the ongoing epic regarding the provision to Kiev of funds for the purchase of lethal weapons, as well as the types of weapons permitted for delivery. This fact alone testifies to the fact that Washington intends to model and "launch" an escalation in the Donbass by the beginning of 2018 - there can be no talk of any constructive here. If initially the ABC News news division referring to 3 US State Department employees stated that the most likely configuration is to provide Kiev with a 47 millionth package for the purchase of lethal weapons, then after the failure of the US plans for Abu Kemal this figure as by the wave of a magic wand, jumped to 175 million dollars!

    Do not look at the figure of $ 350 million, since such a sum will be available for Kiev only after James Mattis confirms the radical reform of the defense sector, which in the near future is unlikely to happen. But even 175 million dollars radically change the picture. According to official information provided by the Ambassador of Ukraine to the United States Valery Chalym, Kiev can spend these funds for the acquisition of radar detectors for integration into divisions of the SAM, radar systems for detection of surface targets, as well as ships of the littoral zone and patrol boats (the issue of decommissioned Coast Guard NK and the US Navy).

    But let's think logically. Why do the Ukrainian fighters have radar stations DRL / ATC (long-range radar detection / air traffic control) AN / TPS-75 "Tipsy-75" or AN / TPS-59 (V) 3, when the Zaporozhye Iskra Research and Production Complex produces relatively advanced decimeter radar DRLO 79K6 "Pelican" with PFAR and meter MR-18. Moreover, in the arsenal of the Ukrainian air defense there is a decent number of radar detectors for the 360D6-M circular survey (developed by Iskra, Zaporizhzhya), attached to S-300PS surface-to-air missile battalions. Consequently, the means can be spent on a completely different type of impact weapon. As we pointed out in previous works, this could be both the 155 mm guided munitions M982 "Excalibur" and the MU910A4 / 5/6 "Paladin", some of which are under conservation; and "Javelins" do not hurry to get out of the game. Despite Friday's statement by the representative of the US Presidential Administration, Michael Anthony, who refutes agreement on the supply of FGM-148 to the military formations, this weapon can easily get into the "unflattering" and in other ways hidden from the ears and eyes of the media.


    Survey radar complex 79K6 "Pelican" is one of the most advanced radar equipment developed by the Scientific and Production Complex Iskra (Zaporozhye). The survey radar is a passive F-band of the decimeter S-band, capable of detecting high-altitude air targets at a distance of 400 km with simultaneous route guidance on the passage of 200 air targets at altitudes up to 40 km. Disadvantage of the station is a small angle-scanning sector, reaching only up to 35 degrees. The drawback was corrected in the more modern 80K6T surveillance radar (video below) of the SPK Iskra. Equipped with a digital FAR station has an angle-based viewing / tracking sector of 0 - 70 degrees and in "tracking on the pass" tracks 300 targets. The disadvantage of the 80K6T radar is a small detection height reaching 20 km

    And against the backdrop of all of the above (including new artillery strikes on LDPR), Moscow and the republic want to "bend" 20,000 peacekeepers under the aegis of the OSCE (note, not the UN) stationed in the Donbass. Many now can argue that, whatever the size of the peacekeeping contingent, deploying them only at the line of contact and escorting the representatives of the CMM OSCE will not have practically no impact on the outcome of the future aggravation of the conflict near the contact line. But this opinion has little to do with the real tactical picture in the Donbass and Washington's plans. Why do they want to send 2 full-fledged divisions of armed "peacekeepers" for only the security and peacekeeping functions to the Donbass? Shoot off insane fighters of the armed forces, who are often in a state of alcohol and drug intoxication, or prevent the Ukrainian "Hyacinths" and "Grads" from leaving the firing range? Naturally, no. The OSCE's paramilitary forces are real "wolves in sheep's clothing," which will begin to act directly when the conflict escalates. Under the cover of the OSCE mandate, the whole gang will certainly be distributed along the operational lines of the most dense firing contact between the sides and will begin to fulfill its main function - transferring the coordinates of the artillery batteries and the LMNR support points to the command of the Armed Forces. You can not doubt that among the 20 thousand so-called "peacekeepers" there is a considerable number of "messed-up Cossacks" specializing in the arrangement of radio beacons and conducting position and territorial optical and radio electronic reconnaissance. To this end, the OSCE has a huge range of ground and air surveillance and targeting facilities with a range of more than 10 km.
    More importantly, several thousand armed members of this pseudo-peacekeeping contingent, which is nothing more than an "encrypted" formation of the North Atlantic alliance, in the course of another aggravation can advance to such settlements as Novoazovsk, Amvrosievka, Sverdlovsk and Krasnodon, where the main transport arteries are located for the operational transfer of Russian SV units, it will be very difficult to stand without the Corps of the People's Militia, especially in the conditions of the planned programs lethal weapons. In this case, in order to avoid the "Croatian scenario" in the Donbass, the Russian units of the military will have to squeeze out this contingent by force, despite the main argument of the NATO "peacekeepers" -the OSCE mandate. Nevertheless, in order to avoid such a complex and unpleasant scenario, where it is necessary to act in the literal sense of the word "ahead", Moscow's only way out remains the blocking of this initiative in the UN Security Council. However, Moscow's position on this issue was briefly and intelligibly communicated to Kiev and Washington through the words of the plenipotentiary of the Donetsk People's Republic at the Minsk talks Denis Pushilin who stated that "the proposed number of peacekeeping contingent exceeds the reasonable need, since for 1 OSCE observer in this case there will be more 30 armed to the teeth of guards. "

    Kiev and the West do not take the position of Russia and the republics closely, and, what is noteworthy, they have already "coordinated everything", which the illegitimate head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Pavel Klimkin, said on the Inter TV channel. Relying on Klimkin's words, the main actors of this absurd "contractor" are not even the so-called "guarantors of the Minsk format" Germany and France, but the United States and Britain. It is obvious that those who provide weapons, he also "orders music". The main actor on the part of the States in Klimkin's "cunning plans" is the same John McCain's "hawk" John Kurt Volcker, who almost every week expresses new formulas for the deployment of peacekeepers in the Donbas, each of which displays a pronounced escalation overtones .

    While on the foreign policy field the "unreliable", under the strict guidance of the overseas "friends", continues to prepare intricacies for the implementation of a new aggression against the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics by March 2018, "significant changes in the military arena -political nature to create a fertile pre-escalation soil. In particular, on November 3, 2017, the illegally elected president of Ukraine P. Poroshenko decided to establish a military civil administration in the settlements Shirokino and Berdyansk, located 7 and 9 km from Mariupol, respectively. In a more simple language, without coordinating with the leadership of the People's Republic of Germany, the capture of settlements located in the so-called "gray zone" was carried out. It would seem, for what could be the introduction of front-line settlements, which will more than once become a theater of military operations (and will be unambiguously lost), into the structures of local self-government bodies "unflagging"? It is not difficult to answer this question.

    The fact is that in these almost completely destroyed and uninhabited settlements on the eastern approaches to Mariupol, parts of the volunteer paramilitary formation Azov (reached the strength of the regiment), the subdivisions of the so-called 36th Separate Marine Brigade of the Allied Armed Forces and nationalist paramilitary groups " Right-wing sectors "created several strong points covered by 3 to 4 tank companies (represented mainly by the OBT T-64BV and T-72A / M1) and more than 10 batteries of anti-tank howitzer 2A29 Rapier, bicycles D-20/30, as well as ACS "Carnation" and "Acacia". From the fire of these batteries, such front-line settlements of the Democratic People's Republic of Nakhchivan at Novoazovsky UN regularly suffer as Kominternovo, Sakhanka, Dzerzhinsky and Bezymynnoye.

    Earlier, when civil-military administrations were not established in Shirokino and Berdiansky, the response counterbattery of the artillery units of the DNR to suppression often "calmed down" the active firing points of Ukrainian militants, but now there will be much more reason for continuing the "artillery duel" at the General Staff " with the possible outgrowth in an attempt at an offensive "throw." In this case, the command of the Armed Forces will have a very convenient and "iron motivation": justifying its aggressive actions towards the DNR of the junta will be firing on the settlements where a temporary state body, called the "civil-military administration", has already started functioning.

    Knowing that the power interchange in the Donbas is inevitable, regardless of the position of the Russian Federation regarding the configuration of the "peacekeeping" contingent proposed by the US State Department, it is necessary to clearly understand why the Debtcevo or Gorlov, and the Telman and Novoazov ones are not considered as the priority operational area for the activation of hostilities. About the "frailties" of the rear zone of the "Telmanovsky Isthmus" we have already mentioned several times. Now the overlap of this tactically important area (with the goal of dividing the 1st AK NM of the DNR and the grouping of forces defending the Donetsk-Makeev agglomeration) is being considered more and more rarely in the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    This is due to the fact that Moscow clearly gave Kiev and the West to understand that there is no "Yugoslav scenario" in the Donbass. This was publicly announced by Vladimir Putin in his speech at the international discussion club "Valdai". If correctly interpreted this important "signal" as applied to the Donbas theater (in the military-political plane), then Russia opens for the "unflagging" a terrible reality, from which the "Euroscapes" already have lost their thoughts about the "Javelins". Namely, in the event of the APU's attack on LDPR, no "Telmanovsky Isthmus" is foreseen for the Ukrainian militants, since the necessary maneuvering of company and battalion tactical groups of the People's Militia of the DNR on the Southern Front can be carried out through the western border areas of the Rostov region, where the Ukrainian "battle horses" and "jump" will not have time, as they will receive a powerful artillery "pill" from artillerymen of the South-East. Play with Kiev "leapfrog" on the bones of the population of Donbass no one will be again! Enough 3 years!

    The on-going local offensive operation on the Novoazov sector is connected exclusively with the fears of the Ukrainian leadership to lose the only strategically important metallurgical city - Mariupol. The maximum that can be expected from the APU is the attempt of a preemptive "breakthrough" to Bezymennogo and October with the aim of pushing down the NMDND assault units from Mariupol. Let's hope that this plan of Kiev will also fail, and the militia will still be able to liberate Lebedinsky and take under the fire control the strongholds of nationalists and siloviki under Mariupol. It is possible that we will be able to observe this immediately after the end of the autumn mudslide and the onset of frosts.

    All forecasts concerning the growth of tension in the vicinity of Mariupol are not sucked from the finger, but clearly correspond to the operational information coming from both the DMDD and informed local residents. For example, at the present moment, as part of the next rotation, the 501st separate battalion of marines arrived in the Lebedinsky and Shirokino district, which is part of the 36th OBMPD. As early as January 2017, units of this battalion were caught in a regular "harassing" fire from Chermalyk towards Tauride, Naberezhnoe, etc. settlements. As it became known in the evening, on November 12, the next rotation in sector "M" the fighters of the 36th ObmMP "marked" the shelling of a power plant that provides power supply to the settlement October; 120-mm mortar-mounted mortars 2B11 were used; The food. We will continue to closely monitor the situation around the southern sectors of the front of the Donetsk People's Republic and expect more resolute asymmetric countermeasures for the creation of military occupation authorities in the southern settlements of the Democratic People's Republic of Russia, a possible adoption of which was announced by D. Pushilin.

    Information sources:
    www.pravda.ru /
    www.aif.ru
    www.novorosinform.org

    Source: topwar.ru
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  kvs on Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:26 am

    Renewal of hostilities is preferable to surrender. That is the essence of war. You win or you lose. The UN has lost credibility as
    an objective 3rd party. The Syria sarin hoax propagation and assorted other pro-US BS requires that any solution in the Donbass
    involve the locals and Russians. Not Kiev and not its pals. If they want to fight, let them. They lose when they fight. They
    "win" when there are ceasefires.

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