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    BPM-97 Vystrel / Bulat APC

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    Post  TR1 on Fri 08 Jun 2012, 00:28

    medo wrote:For my taste Vystrel 6x6 looks far more battlefield vehicle than Typhoon. It look lower and more stable design and protection is somewhere similar (low angle of armor plates gives Vystrel excellent frontal protection).

    Typhoon is supposed to have 14.5mm protection all around.

    I HIGHLY doubt Vystrel provides that much. I really am not a fan of that vehicle.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri 08 Jun 2012, 02:43

    Vystrel is a BPM, or armoured patrol vehicle.

    Of course the problem with armour is that anyone can come up with a solution...

    Lets face it... cheap light RPGs are more of a threat than 14.5mm HMGs or 50 cal rifles.

    Even old weapons like M72 LAW and RPG-22 would be a much more common threat to light armoured vehicles than anti armour rifles and HMGs.

    Armour all your vehicles to stop 14.5mm AP ammo and I could produce a new anti material rifle that uses the 14.5mm calibre ammo but because my weapon is a dedicated anti armour weapon I will have a smoothbore barrel and will have a SLAP round specially made for the rifle... standard ammo would not be accurate enough anyway, so special sub calibre ammo with a DU projectile with stabilising fins and a hot propellent load and the armour will no longer be sufficient.

    Obviously it will take a lot of money to get the new weapon into widespread service and the ammo will not be cheap either, but it really doesn't matter what level of initial protection a vehicle has because over time it will need to be increased.

    In fact perhaps instead of a 14.5mm calibre barrel I could change to a 23mm calibre smooth bore barrel with a 23 x 114mm calibre weapon... the larger calibre will allow more energy so even though I will still use the same sized penetrator in a sabot I can pack more propellent and get a higher velocity and better penetration...

    BTW the lighter vehicle you mentioned was the French PVP which might have the Skorpian as its competition.

    In the case of the Mistral I felt that there was no proven and ready Russian alternative and that it was just quicker to buy from France.

    In the case of armoured vehicles however, the Russian demands for amphibious capability should limit the usefulness of vehicles like the Centuaro, so I think that will just be as a yardstick to measure the Russian equivalents by rather than a serious contender.

    AFAIK the Iveco is being purchased for non military use, specifically for Sochi 2014... which I think is kinda weird as it failed in the snow, so why buy it for a winter olympics...

    To be honest I largely blame the media for running with comments obviously taken out of context, and likely largely intended to stir the MIC into action.

    The Russian military didn't really start demanding MRAP type vehicles till after 2008 and there was very little funding offered to support the development of such vehicles. Just threats to buy foreign stuff.

    BTW 2 I suspect the Vystrel will be a potential replacement for the BRDM-2 in FSB and MVD units but will not replace MRAP type vehicles.

    The Vystrel is more of an FSB/MVD type vehicle than an Army vehicle... the Army will likely choose four and six wheel models of Boomerang-10 ultimately for replacing the BRDM-2 in light brigades.

    Remember the scout vehicle in a heavy brigade will be Armata based... though a UAV might perform the actual mission it will likely be controlled from an Armata based vehicle.
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    Post  medo on Fri 08 Jun 2012, 16:32

    Vystrel is also based on standard Kamaz truck, so its production is also quite cheap. Vystrel was designed for FSB border guard units as armored patrol vehicle based on standard truck for easier maintenance. As I know Russian army also use them as recce vehicle with Zala-421-08 UAVs. The vehicle itself is maybe not that fancy, but is for sure quite useful for all MVD, FSB and Army.
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    Post  medo on Tue 19 Jun 2012, 19:01

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/18660/

    Kamaz Vystrel 6x6was received by Russian Police in Sakhalin.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed 20 Jun 2012, 08:07

    I like the look of it.

    Sort of a BTR-152 feel to it...
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    Post  medo on Sun 26 Aug 2012, 10:23

    http://www.ria.ru/arms_mm/20120823/729457063.html

    Bulat (Vystrel 6 x 6) is tested in Caucasus region by police and it seems it is meant for MVD units.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon 27 Aug 2012, 00:19

    Nice looking vehicle, and if it is based on a standard truck chassis it should be cheap to operate.
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    Post  medo on Mon 27 Aug 2012, 16:19

    GarryB wrote:Nice looking vehicle, and if it is based on a standard truck chassis it should be cheap to operate.

    It based on standard Kamaz Mustang truck, so proper vehicle for MVD and FSB to operate and for maintenance, logistics.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat 31 May 2014, 11:45

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    Armed BULAT and more interestingly, the BTR-82 with new turret

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Mon 02 Jun 2014, 11:52

    TheArmenian wrote:
    BPM-97 Vystrel / Bulat APC - Page 2 0_9c188_4cd4fe2_XXXL
    Armed BULAT and more interestingly, the BTR-82 with new turret

    Every time I see a so-called "MRAP", I think of BTR-152.
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    Post  TR1 on Mon 02 Jun 2014, 21:35

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:
    BPM-97 Vystrel / Bulat APC - Page 2 0_9c188_4cd4fe2_XXXL
    Armed BULAT and more interestingly, the BTR-82 with new turret

    Every time I see a so-called "MRAP", I think of BTR-152.

    Bulat and Vystrel don't deserve to be called MRAPs.

    Modern BTR-152s are exactly what they are.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri 06 Jun 2014, 20:11

    TR1 wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:
    BPM-97 Vystrel / Bulat APC - Page 2 0_9c188_4cd4fe2_XXXL
    Armed BULAT and more interestingly, the BTR-82 with new turret

    Every time I see a so-called "MRAP", I think of BTR-152.

    Bulat and Vystrel don't deserve to be called MRAPs.

    Modern BTR-152s are exactly what they are.

    If one's to be picky, the 4x4 Vystrels are even more BTR-40s than BTR-152s.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri 06 Jun 2014, 22:10

    flamming_python wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:
    BPM-97 Vystrel / Bulat APC - Page 2 0_9c188_4cd4fe2_XXXL
    Armed BULAT and more interestingly, the BTR-82 with new turret

    Every time I see a so-called "MRAP", I think of BTR-152.

    Bulat and Vystrel don't deserve to be called MRAPs.

    Modern BTR-152s are exactly what they are.

    If one's to be picky, the 4x4 Vystrels are even more BTR-40s than BTR-152s.

    That too, but I was referring to the Bulat 6X6 in the picture.

    HMMWV reminds me of GAZ-69. Of course, I am not trying to belittle the GAZ-69.

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