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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:32 am

    Doesn't look like a military vehicle, its clearly civvie. Probably developed to improve key roads in Russian regions (where conditions on unsealed roads can be atrocious due to poor weather).
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:54 am

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    Russian Army Fail...

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:55 am

    HAahahaha.... it is a bit ironic that the fail is not a fail...

    Two trucks with jet engines mounted on their rear intended to rapidly generate a smoke screen when one of the jet engines fails explosively... and puts out black smoke instead of white smoke...

    Even when Russian smoke generators fail they still get the job done.... how patriotic is that?

    Perhaps that vehicle was driven by Russian Hackers?


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  franco on Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:34 pm

    MOSCOW, Nov. 17 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Defense Ministry will maintain 122-mm self-propelled howitzers 2C1 "Gvozdika" and modernize them, equipping an automated management system, the Izvestia newspaper reported on Friday.

    "The military department is discussing the modernization of the" Gvozdik "with the representatives of industry.The decision to modernize is taken in light of the successful use of self-propelled howitzers in almost all armed conflicts of recent times, including in Syria." Carnations "kept mobility in a highly rugged terrain, where heavier self-propelled guns could not pass, "the article says.

    It notes that after a thorough modernization the crew will only have to press the button, so that the system itself made the calculations, put the gun on the target at the given coordinates and determined the necessary number and type of ammunition. Howitzers will also receive shells of increased power and accuracy.

    "The military department in the near future must finally decide on the tactical and technical task for the modernization of self-propelled howitzers, the number of artillery installations to be converted and, consequently, the price of the issue." It is expected that one of the enterprises of NPK Uralvagonzavod, - the report says.

    According to the publication, "the highlight of the updated self-propelled artillery systems (SAU) will be an automated guidance and fire control system that will minimize crew participation and increase fire efficiency." The self-propelled guns should receive a more advanced ballistic calculator of the sighting complex, new sights and, possibly, a new chassis domestic production. "


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    Post  eehnie on Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:18 am

    franco wrote:MOSCOW, Nov. 17 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Defense Ministry will maintain 122-mm self-propelled howitzers 2C1 "Gvozdika" and modernize them, equipping an automated management system, the Izvestia newspaper reported on Friday.

    "The military department is discussing the modernization of the" Gvozdik "with the representatives of industry.The decision to modernize is taken in light of the successful use of self-propelled howitzers in almost all armed conflicts of recent times, including in Syria." Carnations "kept mobility in a highly rugged terrain, where heavier self-propelled guns could not pass, "the article says.

    It notes that after a thorough modernization the crew will only have to press the button, so that the system itself made the calculations, put the gun on the target at the given coordinates and determined the necessary number and type of ammunition. Howitzers will also receive shells of increased power and accuracy.

    "The military department in the near future must finally decide on the tactical and technical task for the modernization of self-propelled howitzers, the number of artillery installations to be converted and, consequently, the price of the issue." It is expected that one of the enterprises of NPK Uralvagonzavod, - the report says.

    According to the publication, "the highlight of the updated self-propelled artillery systems (SAU) will be an automated guidance and fire control system that will minimize crew participation and increase fire efficiency." The self-propelled guns should receive a more advanced ballistic calculator of the sighting complex, new sights and, possibly, a new chassis domestic production. "

    Good news for Russia.

    Self propelled artillery is to stay long.

    Heavy towed artillery wil go before.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:09 am

    Well that is interesting.

    Are they actually retaining the 122mm guns or will they follow through with the plan to change to 120mm gun/mortars?

    Sounds like they want to keep their 122mm howitzers.


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  eehnie on Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:49 am

    The rythm of updating from 2S1 to 2S34 never has been enough for a total replacement.

    It is clear that the 122mm caliber will survive around 25 years more. I explained it here. Even the 122mm ammunition remains in production (unlike the 73mm ammunition).

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:18 pm

    They would hardly shift from one calibre to another without serious testing and use in exercises.


    They have a lot of 2S1 vehicles and previously they wanted to streamline their different types of artillery so in theory removing one calibre while still being able to use all those vehicles they have would have been a good thing.

    Experience has clearly shown how valuable these vehicles can be if they are accurate enough...

    So upgrading them with systems to make them easier to use and more accurate and rapid use of their features means a crew can effectively rapidly be given a job and complete that job with little effort with most of the work being done automatically for them.

    The question remains of course is can that same job be done with a 120mm gun/mortar with all those upgrades.

    Weapons with variable charges (like howitzers and mortars) tend to be rather more accurate in indirect fire than guns.

    A gun is a high velocity weapon often used in direct fire that has a relatively flat trajectory and a fixed propellent load.

    This often means they have lighter shells but their velocity normally makes them rather useful for a range of tasks including counter battery fire because of their range.

    When shooting at close range targets that are not in the direct line of sight most cannot hit some targets because they don't elevate high enough to lob shells at them and even if they did the fixed propellent would fire the shells very high up meaning a long flight time for the projectile during which its path will be seriously effected by various winds at different altitudes and at different directions.

    A howitzer or Mortar on the other hand can use their minimum charge and launch their projectiles on a steep but much shorter path.

    It also means the round comes down at a very steep angle which is good for effect on target as most of the shell fragments come from the walls of the shell rather than the nose or tail.

    They likely replaced the KS-19 AA guns for avalanche control because ammo is likely becoming more scarce and more expensive. The advantage of the KS-19 is that it has a mount that allows it to be turned 360 degrees to engage targets from any direction rapidly without having to dig the weapon out and dig it back into place.

    The D-30 has the same advantage so it would be useful in that role.

    This suggests to me that its use by the civilian agency does not immediately mean it is to be retired... it is still a very useful weapon.


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:10 am

    For shelling IGIL/Talibs on outskirts of former Soviet Union you do not need anything better.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:45 am

    The real question however is can the 120mm gun/mortar do a good enough job in the place of the 122mm gun?

    If it can then you could eliminate an entire calibre from the inventory without losing a capability/resource.

    the 120mm gun/mortar can fire Russian and western 120mm mortar rounds and also 120mm shells with variable bagged charges and of course the 120mm gran guided missile and the 122mm Kitilov guided missile too.

    As a single mobile vehicle able to at the press of a button engage targets within its range automatically with the press of a button, then it becomes a rather interesting vehicle... with good communications they could scatter and attack point targets from different positions and then move rapidly to another fire position....


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:36 pm

    GarryB wrote:The real question however is can the 120mm gun/mortar do a good enough job in the place of the 122mm gun?

    If it can then you could eliminate an entire calibre from the inventory without losing a capability/resource.

    the 120mm gun/mortar can fire Russian and western 120mm mortar rounds and also 120mm shells with variable bagged charges and of course the 120mm gran guided missile and the 122mm Kitilov guided missile too.

    As a single mobile vehicle able to at the press of a button engage targets within its range automatically with the press of a button, then it becomes a rather interesting vehicle... with good communications they could scatter and attack point targets from different positions and then move rapidly to another fire position....

    Maybe the time factor? Recently Russia decided to refurbish heavy nuke capable mortars too ?
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:24 am

    The 122mm and 120mm weapons are now pretty much in the light to medium weigh range, while the 240m mortars and 203mm guns they are overhauling and keeping in reserve are more of the very heavy range.

    I very much doubt they are keeping those super heavy vehicles for their nuclear delivery potential... they would more likely use Iskander or Tochka for that.

    In terms of small mobile vehicles with very good fire power a 2S1 is hard to beat as long as it uses guided shells, though as I mentioned even the standard D-30 has very good accuracy for artillery.

    It is hard to say what lessons they have learned from experience in Syria and Ukraine and what their options are.

    They seem to have a lot of 2S1 vehicles in good condition and presumably lots of ammo for those vehicles too.

    An upgrade to make them rather more potent would make a lot of sense, and down the track there is the potential to change the weapon to a different type if needs be.

    Part of the logic behind the 2S34 Hosta upgrade was to upgrade all the electronics and systems to greatly improve performance... the change in calibre was a slight downgrade in max range performance, but the unification of calibres would save a lot of money and simplify the logistics by quite a bit too... instead of carrying x thousand rounds of 120mm gun and x thousand rounds of mortar bombs in 120mm calibre and x thousand rounds of 122mm gun shells, they could just have more 120mm shells and bombs.

    A less obvious advantage is that this would eliminate 122mm tube ammo so only 122mm rocket ammo remains...


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:00 pm

    Western MD artillery units receive Shturm-S AT system

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:57 am

    A view of the changes in the Ground Forces in 2017 by a Web blogger;

    Following the 144th, 150th and 42nd, the 3rd Motorized Infantry Division received its banners. It's time to calculate the strength of the military ground grouping of Russia, which has increased and decreased.
    All data are taken from open sources. All calculated figures from the evil one are my subjective judgments.

    Over the past year, the management of the 14th Army Corps, the 236th Artillery Brigade, the 171st Airborne Assault Battalion, two separate self-propelled artillery battalions of high power, five tank companies in the Marine Corps brigades have been reorganized. The formation of the 90th Tank, 3rd, 42nd, 144th and 150th Motorized Rifle Divisions, the 30th Motorized Rifle Brigade, and six separate tank companies as part of the Airborne Forces units were completed. In Wikipedia they write that, in the 106th Airborne Division, there is also a tank company, but I have not yet confirmed any evidence.
    In total, there are two hundred and forty-five motorized rifle, machine-gunning, artillery, flamethrower, engineer-assault, assault-landing, parachute-landing battalions and marine infantry battalions in the Land Forces, the troops of the RHBB, the engineer troops, the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps, three separate engineering and assault companies, eighty-two tank battalions, sixteen separate tank companies, one hundred and thirty howitzer artillery battalions, seven gun artillery battalions, thirty-nine reactive artillery battalions (MLRS Grad / Tornado-G), forty-seven anti-tank artillery battalions, eight separate self-propelled artillery high power artillery battalions, eight separate self-propelled artillery battalions (NONA-propelled guns C / NONA-CRS / Host), one hundred ninety-one mortar battery.

    Now on the movement of the main types of weapons.

    Tanks
    New tanks in the troops for the year (as well as the last fifteen years) were not received. The volume of supplies of the upgraded T-72B / T-72B3 / T-80BV tanks is no more than 400 units. It is known that for the 2nd quarter of 2017, Uralvagonzavod sent 51 T-72B3 to the Ground Forces, and the 61st BTRZ - 49 upgraded T-72Bs.In total, about 3,200 tanks are in combat units, half of the tanks are likely to be conserved. The average age of our armored vehicles is "a little over thirty," but the pace of modernization of the tank fleet is quite satisfactory.

    Large-caliber artillery.
    Here everything is ambiguous. New artillery formations receive guns of caliber 152 mm - towed 2A65 Msta-B, self-propelled 2S19 Msta-S and 2C3 Acacia. But unfortunately, the share of new and modernized guns is depressingly low. For the second quarter, only eight modernized self-propelled howitzers 2S3M and two new self-propelled howitzers 2S19M2 were received. In total for the year about 20 new self-propelled guns 2S19M2 and about thirty modernized 2C3M and 2S19M1 were received. A total of about 1,700 artillery systems with a caliber of 152 mm, of which five are new and modernized in recent years - no more than four hundred. In connection with the deployment of new compounds, there was a shortage of guns with a caliber of 152 mm. In November 2017, information appeared on the extension of the services of self-propelled howitzers 2C1 "Gvozdika", which indicates the cancellation of the decision on the gradual withdrawal of 122 mm artillery systems from the Army. In total, about 700 artillery systems with the caliber of 122 mm - self-propelled howitzers 2S1 and towed D-30 guns in the combat troops

    Infantry and landing combat vehicles, armored personnel carriers
    For the second quarter, the troops received 35 new BMP-3. A total of about 100 new BMP-3s, 62 new BMD-4Ms, 20 new BTR-MDs, and about 100 new BTR-82A were received in a year. Also, the troops received repaired and modernized equipment - at least 400 BMP, BMD and BTR units. The 81st BTRZ alone reported the dispatch of 160 BTR-80 / 82AM to the troops for the year.

    Reactive artillery
    The 3rd and 144th motorized rifle divisions received more than twenty new Tornado-G systems
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:47 am

    I find it interesting on regards to tanks. Tanks are rather cheap for Russia and modern ones would give them a large edge while being a cheap spending for it. Now I'm curious why they are rather slow at upgrading existing tanks? They shouldn't cost much more/less than a million to upgrade, and they can pump out plenty (hundreds) in a year and still have long term work for the facilities.

    Are they just unsure what they want to do exactly?
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    Post  Militarov on Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:27 am

    miketheterrible wrote:I find it interesting on regards to tanks. Tanks are rather cheap for Russia and modern ones would give them a large edge while being a cheap spending for it. Now I'm curious why they are rather slow at upgrading existing tanks? They shouldn't cost much more/less than a million to upgrade, and they can pump out plenty (hundreds) in a year and still have long term work for the facilities.

    Are they just unsure what they want to do exactly?

    Was watching some military show few days ago on RTR-Planeta which partially covered what you are wondering. It was about last 3 decades and few attempts by different men to reshape armed forces of Russia, which went to complete confusion as every new goverment and every new chief of staff/def minister pushed his own idea, so you had 3 or 4 different overhauls of military and none completed. And as one general said: "We decide something, agree on it, President signs it and then we "notice" there are no funds or cappacities for it, and it never goes pass papers".

    Now when you look though last 30 years, regarding the tanks only, idea first was to throw away T-80s as they are expencive to operate and to stick with T-90s and produce more. It all ended with fiasco as there was very little money to produce them, existing ones went mostly in disrepair and T-72s stayed as mainstray with minor updates, T-80s mostly got pushed from service.

    Then you had idea to do major modernisations of T-72s. Which they started with ambitious Rogatka modernisation, which...oh well... was too expencive and stalled.

    Then there was idea to produce more T-90s and modernise T-72s in less ambitious way. T-90 production ceased completely, T-72B3 updates came around.

    Now you have Armata, which is to be future tank... but you have T-72B3/B3M modernisations and T-80s modernisations and... T90 modernisations...

    Now they are probably still not sure how soon Armata can enter serial production, what will be the final cost per hull, how many they will be able to afford, at which pace and if modernisation of existing tanks is waste or not. Then you probably have guys that are aganist modernisation, guys that are in favor of saving funds for Armata.. or some other projects that they consider more important. Its never one guy that decides.. more like... 100 and everyone has own opinion.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:37 am

    The WWIII rampage through europe is not going to happen... these days they are more likely to just send a volley of tactical nukes that fall a little short of western europe and land on those whiny former Warsaw Pact countries... the west will realise they mean business but will have only lost forward deployed units so there wont be a need for a serious response and it can be business as usual... MBTs upgraded or otherwise wont even enter the picture....



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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:36 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I find it interesting on regards to tanks. Tanks are rather cheap for Russia and modern ones would give them a large edge while being a cheap spending for it. Now I'm curious why they are rather slow at upgrading existing tanks? They shouldn't cost much more/less than a million to upgrade, and they can pump out plenty (hundreds) in a year and still have long term work for the facilities.

    Are they just unsure what they want to do exactly?

    Was watching some military show few days ago on RTR-Planeta which partially covered what you are wondering. It was about last 3 decades and few attempts by different men to reshape armed forces of Russia, which went to complete confusion as every new goverment and every new chief of staff/def minister pushed his own idea, so you had 3 or 4 different overhauls of military and none completed. And as one general said: "We decide something, agree on it, President signs it and then we "notice" there are no funds or cappacities for it, and it never goes pass papers".

    Now when you look though last 30 years, regarding the tanks only, idea first was to throw away T-80s as they are expencive to operate and to stick with T-90s and produce more. It all ended with fiasco as there was very little money to produce them, existing ones went mostly in disrepair and T-72s stayed as mainstray with minor updates, T-80s mostly got pushed from service.

    Then you had idea to do major modernisations of T-72s. Which they started with ambitious Rogatka modernisation, which...oh well... was too expencive and stalled.

    Then there was idea to produce more T-90s and modernise T-72s in less ambitious way. T-90 production ceased completely, T-72B3 updates came around.

    Now you have Armata, which is to be future tank... but you have T-72B3/B3M modernisations and T-80s modernisations and... T90 modernisations...

    Now they are probably still not sure how soon Armata can enter serial production, what will be the final cost per hull, how many they will be able to afford, at which pace and if modernisation of existing tanks is waste or not. Then you probably have guys that are aganist modernisation, guys that are in favor of saving funds for Armata.. or some other projects that they consider more important. Its never one guy that decides.. more like... 100 and everyone has own opinion.

    That makes a lot of sense, from the late 90's to late 2000's, no one had a specific goal or idea what to do with it. Nothing compared to the Airforce in terms of planning and engagement - something the people dealing with procurement in ground forces should have figured out.

    - Kept all T-72's and T-80's in action/reserves
    - Then disbanded use of T-80's besides a few units
    - Built T-90A's which were very good
    - Decided to quit making T-90A's
    - Came up with countless upgrades to T-72's
    - Finally came up with a cheap interim upgrade to T-72's (B3/M)
    - Came out with working Armata Tanks, very promising
    - Showcasing upgraded T-90M's and T-80 upgrades, making them very modern and capable
    - Still no exact plan.....

    If they just stuck to an idea/platform, even during tougher years where money wasn't available (but produced in lower numbers), then T-90's would have been dirt cheap by now, with plenty in service, and having an upgrade (T-90M) that could be fielded in a rather short period of time which then all T-80's that were eventually disbanded could have been replaced slowly by Armata's while T-90M would end up being mainstay of the army's tank forces. This would have been cheaper and ultimately, best idea in terms of having a modern capable tank forces and having the numbers behind them.

    But too many decisions. Cutting decisions. Creating new decisions. Cutting those decisions. Then going back to old decisions makes very little sense. Now because of the lack of forces, they have to up the number of tanks to keep in reserve (for getting rid of 10,000 tanks, its only going to be what, 5,000 - 6,000 tanks being recycled and rest will be in reserves). That will make logistics rather expensive and just upkeeping them to make even majority of those operational isn't going to be fun either.

    While the airforce, were aircrafts cost 30x more than a tank, are coming out in decent numbers and good, solid procurement plans. Heck, even ground forces in terms of missile forces, artillery and light forces have a better plan.

    I think now we will wait and see what Armata brings us. But I have a feeling that the Russian government may just borrow technologies learned from Armata and apply them to current tanks/upgrade to current tanks and have Armata's in very low production rate till they get the numbers they want.

    Unless they decide something else later on down the line....
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  franco on Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:57 am

    Minister of Defense reported in his annual report that there were 7 new units being formed in 2018.
    - one logistic brigade in Voronezh for the 20th Army
    - one engineer regiment in Voronezh for the 20th Army
    - one Coastal Defense division in Chukotka
    - other 4??
    - there were reports of another 2 engineer regiments to be formed but no timelines

    EDIT: although formed at the end of 2017, the new Artillery brigade at Kolomna for the 20th Army may also be considered one of the 7 new units.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:36 pm

    Salary breakdown and career prospects for sergeants in the Russian ground forces



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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:19 pm

    Oldies but goldies. I wonder if there will be any guided ammo riding on laser beams here?




    "Polite people" armed with a "Spear" (SPG9)
    Special forces will receive long-range anti-tank grenade launchers


    https://iz.ru/702733/nikolai-surkov-aleksei-ramm/vezhlivykh-liudei-vooruzhat-kopem

    The special units of the Russian army will be armed with the legendary SPG-9 grenade launchers "Kopje". In Syria, they demonstrated high efficiency against field fortifications and enemy manpower. Thanks to the long range and high accuracy of the shooting, these recoilless guns proved to be a suitable means for dueling with enemy grenade launchers. In this case, one shot for LNG-9 is much cheaper than an anti-tank guided missile. The grenade launcher will undergo modernization - will receive a modern night sight and more powerful ammunition.


    Army special forces will saddle combat "Bears"
    The newest Russian armored personnel carriers will be useful for raids in the rear of the enemy and the protection of columns
    As "Izvestia" was told in the Defense Ministry, the anti-tank grenade launchers of the SPG-9 plan to return to the arsenal of special units. They will undergo modernization and will be used to combat manpower and suppress enemy firing points.

    During the Syrian campaign, militants actively used grenade launchers of Western production - Carl Gustav and PanzerFaust. For their suppression of the range of shooting conventional RPG-7 was not enough. But the enemy was coping well with the LNG-9, which were in service with the Syrian army.

    Initially, these products, adopted in service in 1963, were intended to combat armored vehicles. The cumulative grenade PG-9V has decent indicators of armor penetration - 300 mm. Later, for SPG-9, a fragmentation grenade was developed. The firing range of the "Spear" when it is used is about a kilometer.

    The LNG-9 is distinguished by a fairly high rate of fire - up to six rounds per minute. This is due to the fact that it is easy to recharge, and the gunner does not need to wait until the grenade hits the target. Shooting from the "Spear" does not require long preparation, the treatment of these weapons can be trained all the fighters. If necessary, the grenade launcher is disassembled and transferred by calculation forces. If, at the same time, to distribute at least two shots to all the soldiers, then one unit will have a very solid ammunition.

    Since the late 1980s, the "Spears" have gradually begun to give way to anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM) - the power of standard shots was not enough to break through the armor of modern tanks. However, ATGMs are quite expensive, so recoilless guns have remained very popular in developing countries.

    Military expert Oleg Zheltonozhko told Izvestia that such weapons are in high demand in conditions of local conflicts, when military operations are conducted by small highly mobile detachments. Special forces have to deal with a well-armed and prepared enemy, so they need additional firepower.

    "The militants receive the latest foreign weapons, they learned to dig in and equip positions, so the special forces need means of reinforcement, the same trench artillery," Oleg Zheltonozhko explained. - Due to the more powerful ammunition, the SPG-9 easily affects from a greater distance even the concrete reinforcements. In disassembled form, it can be transported by jeep or an armored car "Tiger", carried by a group of soldiers.

    The Pentagon is also actively returning to the old grenade launchers - the Swedish Carl Gustav. In the 1980s, they were purchased for ranger battalions, later replaced with anti-tank missiles. However, in Afghanistan, the US military carried heavy losses from the exact fire of the RPG-7 grenade launchers, which the detachments of the banned Taliban movement in Russia were actively using. ATGMs could not effectively deal with such a threat. The Pentagon decided to give out to the special forces, infantry and airborne troops, operating in Afghanistan, grenade launchers. Carl Gustav have proved their effectiveness. Therefore, now the US military uses them everywhere in Afghanistan and Iraq.  
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:25 am

    With modern optics and a fire control system to calculate the path of the round even dumb cheap rounds can be rather effective... this is a bit like fitting a Gefest &T package to an old recoilless rocket launcher to make a cheap weapon as accurate and as useful as a much more expensive guided weapon...


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    Post  franco on Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:28 am

    In the 58th Army will be formed two more motorized rifle divisions

    According to the Izvestia newspaper, in the article by Nikolai Surkov, Alexei Ramm and Evgeny Andreev, "the Northern Caucasus was fortified with divisions, the Southern Military District is reinforced with new formations and modern equipment," the Ministry of Defense began an unprecedented reorganization of the main strike force in the south of Russia, the 58th Army. It will be significantly strengthened by the formation of two new motorized rifle divisions equipped with BMP-3 and the newest T-72B3 tanks. To accommodate these connections, existing and new military towns in Mozdok and Vladikavkaz will be reopened. Part of the 58th Army will be redeployed to the Stavropol and Krasnodar Territories. Experts note that in this way Russia is forming a general-purpose force that will contain the threat from NATO.


    As Izvestia was told at the Defense Ministry, at the end of 2018, the formation of two new motorized rifle divisions will begin as part of the 58th All-Arms Army. They will be created on the basis of the currently existing 19th and 136th separate motorized rifle brigades (OMSBR) by adding additional battalions and regiments. They are supposed to be armed with infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3 and T-72B3 tanks.

    The 19th Krasnoznamennaya Voronezh-Shumlenskaya Order of the Red Banner of Labor and Suvorov II degree, a separate motorized rifle brigade will again become a full-blooded division (in 2008 it was reduced to the current status). In this regard, the number of garrisons will increase. Under Vladikavkaz, several military camps will be repaired and returned to the deployment of the divisional units. A large garrison will also appear in Mozdok.

    The 136th Motorized Rifle Uman-Berlin Red Banner Order of Suvorov, Kutuzov and Bogdan Khmelnitsky, a brigade stationed in Dagestan's Buinaksk, will be transformed into a full-fledged division. She will also have new garrisons. In particular, it is planned to actively use the base in the village of Botlikh. There is a large, modern military town and a well-equipped training ground, where now the special forces are trained.

    An important element of the ongoing reorganization is the equipping of existing and newly created parts and units with the latest technology. So, motorized rifle divisions will receive the most powerful serial BMP-3, and tank ones will be equipped with the latest modification of the upgraded T-72B3. These cars differ from previous versions with reinforced armored protection and a more powerful engine - 1120 hp.

    The editor-in-chief of the magazine Arsenal of the Fatherland, Victor Murakhovsky, told Izvestia that the strengthening of the 58th Army is part of the measures to create a core of combined arms armies in the Southern and Western districts on the basis of divisional structures. According to him, it is necessary to form general-purpose forces, which will be guaranteed to contain the threat from NATO.

    - The experience of combat operations and exercises showed that the division is a more self-sufficient connection than a brigade. The latter usually requires reinforcement by means of combat and technical support and fire, "the expert said. - The division is more adapted to the physico-geographical features of the European part of Russia, where large spaces and a considerable length of lines of contact and fronts.

    The 19th OMSB was established in 2009 as part of a military reform based on the 19th Motorized Rifle Division. This connection with a rich and glorious history. The division participated in many major operations of the Great Patriotic War. For the capture of the Bulgarian city of Shumlen, she received the corresponding name - Shumlenskaya. Later, the connection was awarded for crossing the Danube and participating in the liberation of Bratislava.

    The 136th OMSBR is a combat unit, which in the 1990s played a major role in protecting Dagestan from terrorists. During the fighting in 1999, her staff showed courage and courage. When performing combat missions, 36 servicemen were killed: 5 officers, 8 sergeants, 23 soldiers. Since 1999, more than 1,400 servicemen of the brigade were awarded orders and medals for participation in the counter-terrorist operation. Five officers were awarded the title of Hero of Russia.

    NOTE: think I will wait for the official MoD announcement.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:25 am

    During the Syrian campaign, militants actively used grenade launchers of Western production - Carl Gustav and PanzerFaust. For their suppression of the range of shooting conventional RPG-7 was not enough.

    My understanding is that the RPO-M has a range of about 800m with a max range of about 1.7km and would therefore fill the role of unguided HE weapon to out shoot the Carl Gustav and Panzerfaust while being portable and relatively cheap.

    I rather suspect the rounds would be smaller and lighter and more portable than the SPG-9 rounds.

    At the moment I think the RPO-M has only a thermobaric warhead but it would be easy enough to develop HE and other warheads for this 90mm calibre weapon...

    KBPs webpage on it:

    http://www.kbptula.ru/en/productions/small-arms-guns-grenade-launchers/flame-throwers/rpo-pdm-a-shmel-m


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