Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Share
    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5557
    Points : 5598
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Fri May 19, 2017 11:35 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:

    Very odd operation if true, first off the SU-35s would not be using there radars full capabilities and above all the F-22s have always been carrying external tanks in that area, and an A-50, very strange, it would make more sense for Russia to modify the Bear with some sensing gear instead.

    End goal here is to (if possible) tweak Su-35 radar to be able to properly detect low observable aircraft. That would be why they were there.

    F-22 is observable in this setup but they were probably also trying to ''separate'' aircraft signature from observable add-ons, hence A-50.  

    From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".
    avatar
    Singular_Transform

    Posts : 510
    Points : 506
    Join date : 2016-11-13

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Singular_Transform on Fri May 19, 2017 11:58 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

    That means they need closer inspection to get usable data : )
    avatar
    AlfaT8

    Posts : 1420
    Points : 1421
    Join date : 2013-02-02

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat May 20, 2017 12:46 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

    That means they need closer inspection to get usable data : )

    Yes, a good old fashion Serbian inspection. Wink
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16741
    Points : 17349
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 20, 2017 10:24 am

    From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

    So if they flew in Syrian air space they could be shot down with any old SAM system because radar reflectors can't be turned on and off AFAIK...

    Next someone will claim the F-117 that was shot down in the Kosovo campaign also had reflectors and was not really stealth so the shoot down does not count...

    Sounds to me like an excuse....


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5557
    Points : 5598
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Sat May 20, 2017 11:02 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

    So if they flew in Syrian air space they could be shot down with any old SAM system because radar reflectors can't be turned on and off AFAIK...

    Next someone will claim the F-117 that was shot down in the Kosovo campaign also had reflectors and was not really stealth so the shoot down does not count...

    Sounds to me like an excuse....

    They cant, radar reflectors are attached and can be removed on the ground.

    Well, reflectors are kinda a thing since fairly recently, to evade gathering radar signatures. Those F-22s that were in Europe recently all had em. I am just saying.
    avatar
    Isos

    Posts : 927
    Points : 925
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Isos on Sun May 21, 2017 12:07 am

    Militarov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

    So if they flew in Syrian air space they could be shot down with any old SAM system because radar reflectors can't be turned on and off AFAIK...

    Next someone will claim the F-117 that was shot down in the Kosovo campaign also had reflectors and was not really stealth so the shoot down does not count...

    Sounds to me like an excuse....

    They cant, radar reflectors are attached and can be removed on the ground.

    Well, reflectors are kinda a thing since fairly recently, to evade gathering radar signatures. Those F-22s that were in Europe recently all had em. I am just saying.

    Do you have some articles ?

    The thing posted by Moskit is for F-22 based in the US so maybe they were flying without reflectors.
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16741
    Points : 17349
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 21, 2017 1:51 am

    Well, reflectors are kinda a thing since fairly recently, to evade gathering radar signatures. Those F-22s that were in Europe recently all had em. I am just saying.

    You are right... in peace time away from any real threats they do carry reflectors... it means potential enemies can't capture intel like radar signatures, but more importantly it means civilian and military air controllers can see them and other civilian traffic can see them to avoid accidents.

    The thing is that you don't fly into enemy airspace with those things on...


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5557
    Points : 5598
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Sun May 21, 2017 2:08 am

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

    So if they flew in Syrian air space they could be shot down with any old SAM system because radar reflectors can't be turned on and off AFAIK...

    Next someone will claim the F-117 that was shot down in the Kosovo campaign also had reflectors and was not really stealth so the shoot down does not count...

    Sounds to me like an excuse....

    They cant, radar reflectors are attached and can be removed on the ground.

    Well, reflectors are kinda a thing since fairly recently, to evade gathering radar signatures. Those F-22s that were in Europe recently all had em. I am just saying.

    Do you have some articles ?

    The thing posted by Moskit is for F-22 based in the US so maybe they were flying without reflectors.

    Just stuff of this sort: http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/113970/20170505/f-22-35-stealth-fighters-evade-detection-device-makes-visible.htm
    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5557
    Points : 5598
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Sun May 21, 2017 2:11 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Well, reflectors are kinda a thing since fairly recently, to evade gathering radar signatures. Those F-22s that were in Europe recently all had em. I am just saying.

    You are right... in peace time away from any real threats they do carry reflectors... it means potential enemies can't capture intel like radar signatures, but more importantly it means civilian and military air controllers can see them and other civilian traffic can see them to avoid accidents.

    The thing is that you don't fly into enemy airspace with those things on...

    In general, yes. However apparently US has decided to use few types of minor reflectors to twist radar image of fighters in these days of, more or less peace to hide as much as possible of EW emissions and signatures.

    Rumor says multiple types of reflectors were made with different reflective surfaces to suit various needs.
    avatar
    Singular_Transform

    Posts : 510
    Points : 506
    Join date : 2016-11-13

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun May 21, 2017 2:15 pm


    http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2010-06/diy-synthetic-aperture-radar-system-250

    From close proximity the details of the plane visible quite well by a radar.


    So I don't think that the lenses/ prisms help too much to hide the shape / characteristic of the plane.
    avatar
    Isos

    Posts : 927
    Points : 925
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Isos on Sun May 21, 2017 4:41 pm


    It's says the developement of such things for their 5th gen fighters started in 2010 so before F-22 didn't have them. They can always try to analyse its signature with a small radar imported in US by spies dunno

    But I think the main reason for using reflletors is because US are aware that they are not as stealth as they said. The main advantage for them of having F-22 is they can say what they want untill someone has the chance to analyse it. It's more a psychological weapon than a true fighter, it's main weapon is it's secracy not it's stealth or radar ... I mean it's 80s technology and they pretend that today's technology can't compete against it. Even the F-35 which cost 100 times more to develop ( with dev tools of today which are million times better than in the 80s as a computer today can make billions of operations per sec while in the 80s humans had to do all by themselves...) is less effective than the F-22. For me it's bullshit.
    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5557
    Points : 5598
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Sun May 21, 2017 6:50 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:<img src="http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/small_1x_/public/import/2013/images/2010/06/f14.jpg?itok=IIo17nPC" >
    http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2010-06/diy-synthetic-aperture-radar-system-250

    From close proximity the details of the plane visible quite well by a radar.


    So I don't think that the lenses/ prisms help too much to hide the  shape / characteristic of the plane.

    Emm... reflectors...radar...reflectors...
    avatar
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2130
    Points : 2146
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun May 21, 2017 7:01 pm

    Isos wrote:

    It's says the developement of such things for their 5th gen fighters started in 2010 so before F-22 didn't have them. They can always try to analyse its signature with a small radar imported in US by spies dunno

    But I think the main reason for using reflletors is because US are aware that they are not as stealth as they said. The main advantage for them of having F-22 is they can say what they want untill someone has the chance to analyse it. It's more a psychological weapon than a true fighter, it's main weapon is it's secracy not it's stealth or radar ... I mean it's 80s technology and they pretend that today's technology can't compete against it. Even the F-35 which cost 100 times more to develop ( with dev tools of today which are million times better than in the 80s as a computer today can make billions of operations per sec while in the 80s humans had to do all by themselves...) is less effective than the F-22. For me it's bullshit.

    The amount of money pumped towards aerospace and defense in the US during Reagan admin is probably unimaginable. F-22 sits on solid ground to be the dominant air superiority fighter for the USAF. At the moment no other country has the quality+numbers to compete with that. And it's not just LO features, you got powerful engines, supercruise, Mach 2, declared cruising altitude of 60,000 feet. And much more kept on the down low.
    avatar
    Singular_Transform

    Posts : 510
    Points : 506
    Join date : 2016-11-13

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Singular_Transform on Sun May 21, 2017 7:18 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:
    http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2010-06/diy-synthetic-aperture-radar-system-250

    From close proximity the details of the plane visible quite well by a radar.


    So I don't think that the lenses/ prisms help too much to hide the  shape / characteristic of the plane.

    Emm... reflectors...radar...reflectors...

    Electromagnetic radiation on different wavelength.
    avatar
    Isos

    Posts : 927
    Points : 925
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Isos on Sun May 21, 2017 8:17 pm

    The amount of money pumped towards aerospace and defense in the US during Reagan admin is probably unimaginable. F-22 sits on solid ground to be the dominant air superiority fighter for the USAF. At the moment no other country has the quality+numbers to compete with that. And it's not just LO features, you got powerful engines, supercruise, Mach 2, declared cruising altitude of 60,000 feet. And much more kept on the down low.

    That's exactly what I said. With the cost of the F-35 you can do easily a better fighter than the F-22 even if it had great amount of money for the research. Or at least something that is close. F-35 is closer to a F-18 silent hornet than from the F-22 spécifications. If you don't have the technology money won't change anything.

    Today they have all the work done on F-22 + a far better technologies but yet they admit F-35 is worst than f-22. Both of them are from the same country, same companies worked on both planes. That's what I'm saying. For me it's suspicious.

    And like I said all the data you are providing are from US official and no other source had the chance to see closer if it was true.

    I'm not saying it's a bad fighter. It's excellent but not invincible like they discribe it evrywhere.

    PS: Reagan was the one who ordered the "star wars" plan which was a big fake. Patriot PAC-3 was meant to be a part of it and look how it is bad compare to S-400.



    avatar
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2130
    Points : 2146
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun May 21, 2017 8:38 pm

    Isos wrote:PS: Reagan was the one who ordered the "star wars" plan which was a big fake. Patriot PAC-3 was meant to be a part of it and look how it is bad compare to S-400.

    Be that as it may the Americans have the Aegis and SM-2/3/6 family to boast. Not that bad if you ask me.

    PS. The F-35 is indeed a major project and public spending disaster. Bush's decision to switch F/A-22 to F-22 and limiting its A2G capability and then Obama's decision to end F-22 production at 187 (and ban exports) were all incredibly short-sighted. Even in the Yeltzin era Russia kept the Flanker going till the money started flowing again. And turns out that decision has granted them Russians with the world second best air force (if one considers NATO as a unified force), strictly by qualitative and tech standards.
    avatar
    miketheterrible

    Posts : 1505
    Points : 1505
    Join date : 2016-11-06

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 21, 2017 8:53 pm

    I also think it has a lot to do with the modular mentality of the Russian military development. Where a jet like Su-27 has a huge potential upgrade path and evolution, while the US jets are pretty damn closed with a few exceptions. Same goes for their ground based systems like the S-300 AD and the T-72 tanks. Lots of massive potential to them in their upgrade paths.

    The idea also of building a be all end all fighter jet like F-35 was the same mistake as the F-4 was. Not saying F-4 was a bad jet. Contrary it was a good jet. Problem is it wasn't really amazing at anything. Jack of all trades, master of none. F-22 is a superior fighter jet/interceptor than F-35. F-35 though is a better strike jet because it can do it while F-22 is specific to its roll like MiG-31 is.

    I don't think the day of specific task jets is over yet. Su-34 does a far better job striking and bombing than a Su-30 or 35 while Su-35 is by far a better air superiority jet than a Su-30 or Su-34. Su-30 is pretty damn good at both striking /bombing and air superiority. Just not as good as the Su-35 is at air superiority or Bombing as the Su-34. Tools for the right job. I am a fan of the Su-30 because a nation like lets say Bangladesh, Bealrus, Iran or even Syria needs a jet that is good on all accounts and thus making it cheaper than to have multiple types of jets. But for a nation like Russia, the Su-30 is a good system for operations in Syria. But for a potential grand scale war, a Su-35 and Su-34 would be far better choices.

    Of course Su-30 still hasn't reached full potential and next upgrade path with India will push the system further.
    avatar
    Militarov

    Posts : 5557
    Points : 5598
    Join date : 2015-09-02
    Location : Serbia

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Militarov on Sun May 21, 2017 11:28 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:<img src="http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/small_1x_/public/import/2013/images/2010/06/f14.jpg?itok=IIo17nPC" >
    http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2010-06/diy-synthetic-aperture-radar-system-250

    From close proximity the details of the plane visible quite well by a radar.


    So I don't think that the lenses/ prisms help too much to hide the  shape / characteristic of the plane.

    Emm... reflectors...radar...reflectors...

    Electromagnetic radiation on different wavelength.

    Readings of this kind with this type of sensor are close to being literally useless.
    avatar
    KiloGolf

    Posts : 2130
    Points : 2146
    Join date : 2015-09-01
    Location : Macedonia, Hellas

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun May 21, 2017 11:38 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I also think it has a lot to do with the modular mentality of the Russian military development. Where a jet like Su-27 has a huge potential upgrade path and evolution, while the US jets are pretty damn closed with a few exceptions. Same goes for their ground based systems like the S-300 AD and the T-72 tanks.  Lots of massive potential to them in their upgrade paths.

    The idea also of building a be all end all fighter jet like F-35 was the same mistake as the F-4 was. Not saying F-4 was a bad jet. Contrary it was a good jet. Problem is it wasn't really amazing at anything. Jack of all trades, master of none. F-22 is a superior fighter jet/interceptor than F-35. F-35 though is a better strike jet because it can do it while F-22 is specific to its roll like MiG-31 is.

    I don't think the day of specific task jets is over yet. Su-34 does a far better job striking and bombing than a Su-30 or 35 while Su-35 is by far a better air superiority jet than a Su-30 or Su-34. Su-30 is pretty damn good at both striking /bombing and air superiority. Just not as good as the Su-35 is at air superiority or Bombing as the Su-34.  Tools for the right job. I am a fan of the Su-30 because a nation like lets say Bangladesh, Bealrus, Iran or even Syria needs a jet that is good on all accounts and thus making it cheaper than to have multiple types of jets. But for a nation like Russia, the Su-30 is a good system for operations in Syria. But for a potential grand scale war, a Su-35 and Su-34 would be far better choices.

    Of course Su-30 still hasn't reached full potential and next upgrade path with India will push the system further.

    Yeah I agree. The Flanker family is by far the most accomplished and truly multi-role fighter family there is. It's actually a proper JSF breed in every sense, 3 decades before JSF was even "a thing". You got Su-27S/P, Su-30, Su-33, Su-34 and Su-35. The Eagle/Strike Eagle comes close, but its design is nowhere near as streamlined, it the whole BWB train, it's less aerodynamically efficient and lets face it in terms of aerodynamic design, the Eagle is a good decade behind the Flanker.
    avatar
    Singular_Transform

    Posts : 510
    Points : 506
    Join date : 2016-11-13

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Singular_Transform on Mon May 22, 2017 6:26 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:
    http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2010-06/diy-synthetic-aperture-radar-system-250

    From close proximity the details of the plane visible quite well by a radar.


    So I don't think that the lenses/ prisms help too much to hide the  shape / characteristic of the plane.

    Emm... reflectors...radar...reflectors...

    Electromagnetic radiation on different wavelength.

    Readings of this kind with this type of sensor are close to being literally useless.

    You mean monopulse/synthetic aperture images are useless from close proximity, if a reflector/lens in operation on the observed object?


    The Luneberg lens is a lens,actualy : ).


    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10666
    Points : 11145
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  George1 on Tue May 23, 2017 3:43 am

    75th anniversary of the Khotilovo air base

    May 20, 2017 at the air base Khotilovo (Tver region) held a solemn event to mark the 75th anniversary of the creation. Today, the 790th Fighter Aviation Regiment is based at the airfield (two squadrons of MiG-31 and one squadron of Su-27). The guests could also see combat aircraft MiG-29 (14th gv.iap Kursk region) and Su-34 (47th bop Voronezh region)



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2623237.html


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10666
    Points : 11145
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  George1 on Thu May 25, 2017 9:56 am

    "...As far as a strategic bomber goes, we have completed unique work at the Kazan Aircraft Plant, reestablished, but on a new technological basis, electron beam welding that is needed to develop the titanium fuselage on which the technology of the Tu-160, our great strategic bomber, was always based. And we will recreate this aircraft, undoubtedly, on a new technical basis, with new electronics, new weapons, but this doesn’t mean that we have abandoned plans to develop the future aviation system of long-range aviation [PAK DA]. Work on it is beginning, as on the future aviation system of military-transport aviation [PAK VTA], and on a medium military-transport aircraft. Decisions were made recently in Sochi. We will produce it, and we’ll have it around 2023-2024. At the end of this year, we are planning for a small, light transport aircraft to fly. For our army, which is compact, it’s important to have the possibility of being instantly redeployed to another theater of military operations where some threat is growing. In this way we’ll repulse any aggression by potential enemies not with great numbers, but with the great skill and mobility of our Armed Forces.”

    https://russiandefpolicy.blog/2017/05/23/is-such-a-ship-needed/

    At the end of this year, we are planning for a small, light transport aircraft to fly.
    = Il-112??


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10666
    Points : 11145
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:38 am

    Intercept of US strategic bombers by Russian Su-27 fighters in the Baltic





    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2660331.html


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    avatar
    Tsavo Lion

    Posts : 211
    Points : 213
    Join date : 2016-08-15
    Location : AZ, USA

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:34 pm

    The armaments program could accelerate or slow development of the future Tupolev PAK-DA strategic bomber as Tupolev begins reviving production of the 1981-vintage Tu-160 “Blackjack” supersonic heavy bomber. The Russian defense ministry plans to order 50-60 units and upgrade the existing fleet to the new Tu-160M2 standard. http://aviationweek.com/defense/maks-airshow-spotlights-russian-aerospace-industry-transition?NL=AW-05&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_2&utm_rid=CPEN1000001576407&utm_campaign=10764&utm_medium=email&elq2=55d98ae42c504495acf7045ecb64c027
    16 modernized + 50-60 M2s=66-76 total. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160#Operators
    + 60 Tu-95MS/Ms https://sputniknews.com/military/201607221043482724-russian-tu-95ms-military-analysis/ In 2014, more than 100 Tu-22Ms were in use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M
    Total already modernized= 176, & with newly modernized= 226-236.
    The USAF has total of 140 active bombers:
    B-52s- 58; http://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104465/b-52-stratofortress/
    B-1Bs -62 http://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104500/b-1b-lancer/
    B-2s- 20 http://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104482/b-2-spirit/

    The Long Range Aviation Museum in Poltava, Ukraine has some Soviet bombers other museums don't: http://www.doroga.ua/poi/Poltavskaya/Poltava/Muzej_daljnej_aviacii/1304 http://mda.poltava.ua/?lang=ru
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%B8_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8
    I wonder if theoretically they could return them into flight status as tactical bombers. Can they make engines & other spare parts for them?
    avatar
    Dorfmeister

    Posts : 20
    Points : 20
    Join date : 2013-11-10
    Age : 35
    Location : Belgium

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Dorfmeister on Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:12 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:In 2014, more than 100 Tu-22Ms were in use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-22M

    You should have a look at the Russian Wikipedia: they said 62 Tu-22M3 and 1 Tu-22MR and this is quite consistent with other reliable websites. No way, you'll find 100+ Tu-22M3(M) active right now in Russia. Forget about it.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%83-22%D0%9C


    Sponsored content

    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:15 am