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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:46 am

    Well that is good news... they will have to accelerate purchasing newer civil aircraft if that is the case...


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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:02 am

    GarryB wrote:There was never any requirement for a smaller cheaper fighter and a large more expensive fighter.

    The MiG-29 replaced the MiG-21 in the point defence short to medium range fighter role, while the Su-27 replaced the MiG-23 longer range patrol fighter interceptor. In many ways it also replaced a lot of the old Sukhoi interceptors like the Su-11 and Su-15.

    The T-72 was a simplified cheaper tank that was easy to make in large numbers with reasonable armour and a good gun.

    There was no equivalent in fighters however... otherwise the MiG would probably have had one engine and have been rather smaller and likely would not have had an IRST.

    Off Topic Actually MiG products usually the type of cheap, operational even in harsh condition, and easy to mass produce; while Su is more expensive, advanced, powerful alternatives.

    For example Su-9 and MiG-21, Su-7 and MiG-19, and Su-27 and MiG-29.

    Su-15 and MiG-23, althought different roles, may be limitedly comparable, as MiG-23 is a multirole and cheap conversion of Su-15 basic design (I think).

    MiG-25/31 is an exceptional example, which belongs to the category of expensive, advanced, and therefore has no Sukhoi alternative.

    In the future I guess there is some MiG-xxx which is the small alternative of Su T-50. Off Topic

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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:46 am

    Reconstruction of military aerodromes to continue — commander

    Reconstruction of airports Step, Mozdok, Baltimor and Engels should be completed within 2018-2019

    MOSCOW, February 25. /TASS/. Military aerodromes and runways in the Amur region, Voronezh, North Ossetia and Saratov region will be reconstructed within next two years, Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev told reporters on Saturday.

    "This year, we are doing design and development works at the Ukrainka aerodrome (the Amur region), and next year repairing of the runway will begin there," he said. "We continue repairing of the aerodromes Step (Transbaikalia), Mozdok (North Ossetia), Baltimor (Voronezh), and the second stage of reconstruction continues in Engels (airbase near Saratov)," he said.

    Reconstruction of all those airports should be completed within 2018-2019, he added.


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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:07 am

    VKS will receive three An-148 in 2017

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    Post  Austin on Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:00 am

    [size=150]On the eve of the hypersonic

    Corporation "Tactical Missiles" celebrates anniversary

    http://nationaldefence.ru/includes/periodics/defense/2016/1221/154120085/detail.shtml

    One of the most successful Russian defense-industrial holdings - Corporation "Tactical Missiles" celebrates its 15th anniversary. The corporation was established by decree of President of the Russian Federation January 24, 2002 At that time, in accordance with the program of development of the military-industrial complex until 2006, began the creation of a number of defensive holdings, successfully survived a period of decline and degradation of the Russian defense industry in the 1990s. Survive while many defense companies failed due to export contracts. Here and at the Corporation "Tactical Missiles" in the early 2000s. dominated by export orders, which accounted for 90% of revenue. And today, more than 70% of the income of the enterprise corporation provide deliveries for state defense orders.


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    At the same time production increased significantly. According to the general director of the corporation Boris Obnosova, compared with 2003, the volume of sales increased by almost 30 times. This, of course, would not be possible without a significant renewal of production assets of enterprises. The first thing encountered the head of the new holding company 15 years ago - the repair and reconstruction of the shops. Boris Obnosov recalled that in the early 2000s had to start with repairing roofs and pavement on the territory of the enterprise. In parallel, the updating of machine park, then had to begin to address personnel problems.

    Overcoming these problems, the corporation grew, opening new foreign markets, to intensify the work on the old.

    Today, as has been said, the main customer KTRV became the Russian Armed Forces. In accordance with the state program of armaments for 2011-2020. (LG-2020) Corporation conducts extensive work to develop a new generation of high-precision missile.

    With the direct participation of the organizational and methodological leadership and specialists Corporation has developed and agreed with the Ministry of Industry and the Ministry of Defense "Complex target program of creation of aircraft armament" of the new generation. The document approved by the Military-Industrial Commission under the Russian government. Today, on the basis of this program, the holding company held a large range of works on the development of guided weapons systems for military aircraft of the fifth generation. In particular, many of the TSA, which will soon become part of the on-board weapons fighter T-50, has the final stage of flight tests.

    Today, the corporation "Tactical Missiles" is an integrated structure, bringing together more than three dozen companies with a total workforce of more than 50 thousand people, which provide development and production.:

    • Aircraft tactical, operational and strategic and tactical guided weapons, including hypersonic;

    • Marine offensive and defensive systems, including anti-ship missiles and land-based and underwater weapons and underwater engineering special-purpose funds;

    • missiles with intercontinental ballistic missiles;

    • space systems and devices;

    • products based on dual-use technologies in the fields of aviation, aerospace, marine, and information technology.

    From year to year growing corporate investment in the modernization of production. If for this purpose has been spent 6.39 billion. Rubles, in 2016 this figure exceeded 36.3 billion. Rubles in 2013.

    On the basis of the parent company commissioned a unique corporate laboratory and design center, equipped with modern stands ground tests. The centerpiece of a large-scale project was a new set of HIL, providing fine-tuning of various types of guidance systems in a wide range of frequency characteristics of homing heads.

    Equipped with domestic equipment, according to their characteristics of the complex is not inferior to Western models. Threefold stands have high dynamics and positioning accuracy. Testing of control signals carried out up to the corner units minutes.

    The unique anechoic chamber has the most modern test equipment. Operating room camera provides high-quality absorbent materials that provide high levels of electromagnetic characteristics (radiogermetichnosti, anechoic and others.).

    To ensure reliable and efficient work of laboratory-Design chassis is equipped with the most modern information and communication structure, high-speed data transmission channels, including satellite, with high (up to 10 Gbit / s) bandwidth, high-performance computing systems with a virtual server architecture.

    The company is surely among the first hundred of the world's leading enterprises of the military-industrial complex (in the ranking Defense News on the results of 2015 - 37th position, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (the SIPRI) - 35th). Revenues from sales in 2015 increased by 36.3% and exceeded 160 billion. Rubles.

    At present, enterprises Corporation "Tactical Missiles" created a new generation of high-precision weapons, which by its tactical and technical characteristics (TTX) is 2-3 times higher than its predecessors and is the best world samples of combat capabilities.

    In the area of ​​aircraft weapons updated the whole range guided missile (SD) class "air-air" and "air-to-surface".

    New SD-class "air-air" small (RVV-MD), medium (RVV-SD) and long range (RVV-BD) equipped with new guidance systems with improved sensitivity and noise immunity, greatly expanded their effective application area. This allows you to use them at any time, at all angles, in the conditions of electronic countermeasures (ECM), on the background of the Earth and the water surface, including multi-channel fire on the principle of "fire and forget."



    long-range HAEDAT in their performance characteristics has no analogues in the world. The high-energy dual-mode solid-propellant rocket motor provides the use of a range of 200 km and the ability to hit any airborne targets, including maneuvering, in a wide range of heights - from 15 m to 25 km.

    Successfully developing direction of high-speed aircraft missiles family of X-31 on the basis of the combined ramjet engine (ramjet).


    The latest developments - X-31PD (anti-radiation) and X-31AD (antiship) - as compared with the X-31A and X-31P increased flight speed on the trajectory and power of the warhead. Due to the high start-up range (up to 180-250 km)

    X-31PD can be successfully applied from outside the reach of enemy air defense systems. X-31PD, as well as new high-speed anti-radiation X-58USHKE UR, equipped with a wide-range homing, which allows to work effectively on a wide range of current and future goals.

    In the class of multi-purpose SD "air-surface" should be noted the following recent developments:


    • A number of SD type X-38ME modular design, which can be equipped with a combined guidance systems, including the inertial system and options for the final precision-guided munitions on the basis of laser seeker (X-38MLE), thermal imaging (X-38MTE) or active radar (X-38MAE) type . There are options for the use of satellite navigation, as well as military equipment with cassette warhead (X-38MKE);

    • UR-X 59M2E complex missile "Gadfly-ME", designed to engage a wide range of fixed ground and sea targets with known coordinates of the location. The complex can be used around the clock in conditions of reduced visibility;

    • X-59MK2 missile designed to defeat a wide range of stationary ground targets, including non-radar, infrared and optical contrast with respect to the surrounding background.

    One of the most effective types of aviation precision weapons are correctable (KAB) and guided bombs, which are characterized by a combination of a powerful warhead, high precision and shorter compared to guided missiles, the cost. In a number of conditions on the effectiveness of the CABs are commensurate with SD.

    Currently guided bombs can be equipped with a variety of guidance systems, including satellite (KAB-500S-E). Unchanged demand CABs powerful laser-guided bombs which include the CC-1500LG-F-E, used for destroying large fixed ground and surface facilities (bridges, transportation hubs, and military-industrial enterprises and others.).




    Kh-59MK2 is designed to engage a wide range of stationary ground targets, including non-radar, infrared and optical contrast with respect to the surrounding background.

    Significant place in the combined company's products occupy maritime weapon system for the protection of the shoreline coastal states. Created on the basis of a unified anti-ship missile (ASM) X-35E (3M-24E) ship missile system "Uran-E" and mobile coastal missile system "Bal-E" to date have been practically tested in a wide variety of applications.

    In place of the X-35E ASM comes the new generation of SD - X-35UE with significantly improved performance characteristics. Combined guidance system using inertial and satellite navigation, as well as active-passive homing provides X-35UE higher accuracy and noise immunity. Modern "digital board" allows you to implement flexible and effective program guidance attack targets. The use of X-35UE composed KRK "Uran-E" DBK "Bal-E" significantly expands the combat capabilities of these systems.

    In addition to anti-complexes tactical class, which include AAC "Uran-E" and PBRK "Bal-E" Tactical Missiles Corporation offers customers the ship and shore facilities tactical class on the basis of a supersonic cruise missile "Yakhont" (3M-55E), created on companies MIC "NPO Machine Building".

    Onshore - PBRK "Bastion" is able to provide cover in the coastal zone of 600 km and hit the enemy surface ships of any class at a distance of 300 km in the conditions of fire and electronic countermeasures.

    [img]Significant place in the combined company's products occupy maritime weapon system for the protection of the shoreline coastal states. Created on the basis of a unified anti-ship missile (ASM) X-35E (3M-24E) ship missile system "Uran-E" and mobile coastal missile system "Bal-E" to date have been practically tested in a wide variety of applications. In place of the X-35E ASM comes the new generation of SD - X-35UE with significantly improved performance characteristics. Combined guidance system using inertial and satellite navigation, as well as active-passive homing provides X-35UE higher accuracy and noise immunity. Modern "digital board" allows you to implement flexible and effective program guidance attack targets. The use of X-35UE composed KRK "Uran-E" DBK "Bal-E" significantly expands the combat capabilities of these systems.

    In addition to anti-complexes tactical class, which include AAC "Uran-E" and PBRK "Bal-E" Tactical Missiles Corporation offers customers the ship and shore facilities tactical class on the basis of a supersonic cruise missile "Yakhont" (3M-55E), created on companies MIC "NPO Machine Building".

    Onshore - PBRK "Bastion" is able to provide cover in the coastal zone of 600 km and hit the enemy surface ships of any class at a distance of 300 km in the conditions of fire and electronic countermeasures.

    PBRK "Bastion" and PBRK "Bal-E" complement each other, and the integrated use of a solution capable of providing coastal defense tasks in a rational way.



    The range of naval weapons development KTRV not limited to the class of anti-ship missiles. Enterprises Corporation carried out the development and delivery of a number of other systems, such as for the Russian Navy and for export.

    The main products of JSC "Concern" Sea underwater weapons - Gidropribor ", has recently been included in the Tactical Missiles Corporation - torpedo, mine, mine weapons, means of sonar countermeasures system underwater surveillance and protection areas (objects). This, in particular, a universal remote-controlled electric homing torpedo TE-2, which is designed to destroy submarines, surface ships and other targets when fired from submarines and ships in the autonomous and remote-controlled modes.

    It should be noted that the economic situation of the Concern "Gidropribor" when it is turned in the Tactical Missiles Corporation was not brilliant. But now the situation at the enterprises belonging to the "Gidropribor" corrected. An example of this - Caspian "Dagdizel". According to Boris Obnosova, the company was in a very difficult position, the plant has accumulated debts. Through the efforts of Tactical Missiles Corporation, failed to win support from the government: aid has been allocated about 600 million rubles.. One of the results of the work lies in the fact that the Ministry of Defense directly to "Dagdizel" concluded a decent contract for



    Analysis of the military conflicts of the last 40-50 years, and especially the Russian VKS action to defeat the many terrorist organizations in Syria, shows the priority role of aviation precision weapons. If the share of such munitions during the Gulf War was 7-8 percent in 1991, then in Syria in 2015 this figure exceeded 80 percent.

    Experience in the use of videoconferencing Russian aircraft during anti-terrorist operations in Syria precision weapons development and production of Tactical Missiles Corporation is extremely important. According to Boris Obnosova, a new, valuable data set. Because one thing - teaching and testing, and the other - the use of weapons in a real situation, and under the specific conditions of the Middle East war theater. There are different temperature and humidity conditions, the other underlying surface. At certain times in the lower atmosphere there is haze. Clearly, this applies particularly to the work of guidance means, for example, the use of laser illumination purposes.

    But be that as it may, today it is obvious that the future belongs to the TSA completely new technical solutions. First of all, it is a hypersonic aircraft. Corporation "Tactical Missiles" is responsible for this area. Appointed Chief Designer in this area, there is a comprehensive program to hypersonic. They cooperate with the Foundation for Advanced Studies with the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology. However, as noted by Boris Obnosov funded this most important area is not to the extent it deserves.

    Hypersonic


    it is the direction that requires both fundamental and applied research, brings together virtually all areas of engineering. The development of hypersonic technology can be a catalyst for development of the whole industry. The applications of the emergence of hypersonic weapons at a rate in the 7-12 times the speed of sound, will significantly, if not completely limit the ability of the enemy's anti-missile systems. According to the plans of the Corporation "Tactical Missiles", the work in this direction will allow the beginning of the 2020s. reach speeds of Mach 6-7.
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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:31 am

    Actually MiG products usually the type of cheap, operational even in harsh condition, and easy to mass produce; while Su is more expensive, advanced, powerful alternatives.

    I disagree.

    For example Su-9 and MiG-21, Su-7 and MiG-19, and Su-27 and MiG-29.

    The difference there is not Sukhoi or MiG... the difference is Frontal Aviation and the PVO.

    The Su-9/11 is more expensive than the MiG-21 because they are PVO interceptors made for a different role. The Su-7 is cheap and simple like the MiG-19. The Su-27 is more expensive than the MiG-29 because it is bigger.

    Su-15 and MiG-23, althought different roles, may be limitedly comparable, as MiG-23 is a multirole and cheap conversion of Su-15 basic design (I think).

    The design is totally unrelated and the MiG-23 is not cheap... the Su-15 is just rather expensive.

    MiG-25/31 is an exceptional example, which belongs to the category of expensive, advanced, and therefore has no Sukhoi alternative.

    The MiG-25 and MiG-31 are expensive but rather cheaper than their western equivalents where they exist.

    They are expensive because PVO aircraft are expensive.

    In the future I guess there is some MiG-xxx which is the small alternative of Su T-50.

    The MFI design MiG put forward for the competition to build the new 5th gen multirole fighter bomber was just as big and just as expensive as the T-50.

    The Su-17/20/22 was a cheap simple fighter bomber.

    The Su-25 was a supercheap, simple CAS aircraft.

    The Su-24 was expensive, but then most medium range strike aircraft (Tornado, F-111, F-15E) are expensive too.


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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:19 pm

    Sukhoi and MiG competed many times during their existence. Both designed aircraft for the MFI (heavy) and LFI (light) fighter tenders in the 80's, and MiG won it, despite Sukhoi having more experience with heavy 4th generation fighter with the Su-27. And Sukhoi had designs for the LFI, which was cancelled before there were prototypes built. So no, there is no relations between MiG designing "smaller, cheaper" fighters and Sukhoi "bigger, more expensive" ones.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:23 am

    MOSCOW, March 24. /TASS/. Test pilot, Hero of the Soviet Union Stepan Mikoyan has died at the age of 94, the MiG Aircraft Corporation press office reported on Friday.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:51 pm

    Russia to upgrade helicopter protection system based on Syrian experience

    The helicopter protection system Vitebsk will be upgraded by 2018

    MOSCOW, March 29. /TASS/. The helicopter protection system Vitebsk will be upgraded by next year on the basis of its performance in Syria, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Wednesday.

    "The Defense Ministry has made a decision to further upgrade the army aviation’s protection system Vitebsk. The counter-terrorist campaign in Syria has allowed for accumulating the necessary experience of using this onboard protection system in real action. A decision has been made in favor of a profound upgrade of the Vitebsk system to make it capable of protecting helicopters from any current or future anti-aircraft systems of foreign manufacture," the Defense Ministry said.

    Research and development will be completed by 2018. The upgraded system will begin to be installed on army helicopters after government certification tests.

    "The Vitebsk system has vast room for improvement. It will be upgraded, its range of frequencies expanded and range enhanced to guarantee better protection for all aircraft from guided missiles and shoulder-launched rockets," he said.

    The digitalized individual protection system Vitebsk creates optical and radio-electronic jamming. Its first consignments were delivered in 2015.


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    Post  franco on Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:44 pm

    MOSCOW, April 8 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. By January 1, 2018, the share of modern weapons and military equipment of the air defense troops of Russia will be almost 70%, Lieutenant-General Victor Gumenny, commander of the air defense and anti-missile defense forces, deputy commander-in-chief of the Russian Federation Air Force, said on the air of the Ekho Moskvy radio station.

    "Today, we have about 55% of modern anti-aircraft missile forces (by modern radio equipment), 53% of radio-technical troops in the region, and there are very few of them until January 1, 2018. We are sure that if the state defense order is executed by 100%, on January 1, 2018 In our anti-aircraft missile forces and in the radio-technical troops, the share of modern weapons and military equipment will approach 70%, that is, we are moving ahead of schedule, "he said. The general specified that in the radio technical forces the share of modern weapons and military equipment will be at 66%, and in air defense missile forces - 68%.

    "By January 1, 2021, that is, by the end of 2020, we will undoubtedly fulfill the decision of the supreme commander-in-chief and defense minister and in the anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense forces, the share of modern weapons will be no less than 70%," said Gumenny.

    According to him, 95-97% of all equipment will be ready in this state in the combat ready condition.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:44 pm

    Russia to complete import substitution program for helicopter engines by 2019
    Russian Aviaton » Tuesday April 25, 2017 18:53 MSK

    The United Engine-Making Corporation, part of Russia’s state hi-tech conglomerate Rostec, plans to produce 130 VK-2500 helicopter engines this year and complete its import substitution program in 2019, Corporation CEO Alexander Artyukhov said on Tuesday.

    "This year, we have a plan of 130 [VK-2500 engines] and by 2019 we’ll fully substitute helicopter engines from Ukraine," the chief executive reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    The domestically-produced engine is much more reliable in operation and features digital control technology, the chief executive said.

    The VK-2500 turboshaft engine is designed for the upgrade of medium-class Mil Mi-8MT/Mi-17, Mi-24, Mi-14, Kamov Ka-32, Ka-50 and Mi-28 helicopters. Developed in 2001, it is 15-20% more powerful than the baseline TV3-117VMA engine. It features a new digital system of automated regulation and control and has an extended service life. In 2000-2001, the engine completed certification and state bench tests.

    The engines were serial-produced at Ukraine’s Motor Sich Enterprise. Their supplies were terminated after Russia and Ukraine severed their military and technical cooperation.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:25 pm


    Apparently Russia and China are about to finalize contract on development of new heavy-lift helicopter

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2577986.html

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:24 am

    Payload is in the 10-14 tons range so this is more accurately described as a medium lift helo really.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu May 04, 2017 6:56 pm


    Rehearsal pic:



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    Post  George1 on Sun May 14, 2017 5:54 am

    NEW YORK, May 14. /TASS/. Russia’s Su-27 fighter has flown close to a US Navy P-8A Poseidon reconnaissance plane in the Black Sea in a second similar incident this week, Fox News reported on Saturday night citing a US defense official.
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    Post  marcellogo on Sun May 14, 2017 5:45 pm

    GarryB wrote:Payload is in the 10-14 tons range so this is more accurately described as a medium lift helo really.
    Same range of CH-47 so Heavy, I know russian have evan better birds but for the international standard is quite a lot.

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    Su 35e vs f 22 over alaska,,

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu May 18, 2017 3:15 pm


    Very odd operation if true, first off the SU-35s would not be using there radars full capabilities and above all the F-22s have always been carrying external tanks in that area, and an A-50, very strange, it would make more sense for Russia to modify the Bear with some sensing gear instead.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu May 18, 2017 8:18 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:

    Very odd operation if true, first off the SU-35s would not be using there radars full capabilities and above all the F-22s have always been carrying external tanks in that area, and an A-50, very strange, it would make more sense for Russia to modify the Bear with some sensing gear instead.

    End goal here is to (if possible) tweak Su-35 radar to be able to properly detect low observable aircraft. That would be why they were there.

    F-22 is observable in this setup but they were probably also trying to ''separate'' aircraft signature from observable add-ons, hence A-50.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu May 18, 2017 11:09 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
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    Very odd operation if true, first off the SU-35s would not be using there radars full capabilities and above all the F-22s have always been carrying external tanks in that area, and an A-50, very strange, it would make more sense for Russia to modify the Bear with some sensing gear instead.

    End goal here is to (if possible) tweak Su-35 radar to be able to properly detect low observable aircraft. That would be why they were there.

    F-22 is observable in this setup but they were probably also trying to ''separate'' aircraft signature from observable add-ons, hence A-50.  

    Come now PD, one's you have the data you can make the adjustments, but that data doesn't need to be gathered by the SU-35 itself.

    Yes, i got that, seeking other emissions other then RCS for Passive systems, i would still put that gear in a Bear, since Raptors don't mind flying close to one.
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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 19, 2017 12:07 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:..............

    Come now PD, one's you have the data you can make the adjustments, but that data doesn't need to be gathered by the SU-35 itself.

    Yes, i got that, seeking other emissions other then RCS for Passive systems, i would still put that gear in a Bear, since Raptors don't mind flying close to one.

    I'm not saying Su-35 was gathering any data of course but they were there for reference.
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    Re: VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

    Post  miketheterrible on Fri May 19, 2017 12:26 am

    In this case, the Su-35 has a form of sensor fusion thus it would be able to pick up data from its passive systems without the F-22 being able to detect that. As well, they could fit the bear with any kind of radar system to be able to track and gather intelligence.

    Either way, chances are, the Russians gathered data.

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