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    Post  Viktor on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:57 pm

    max steel wrote:40N6 missiles ?

    Yes. Once made each product (correct me if Im mistaken) must pass

    - factory trials
    - army trials
    - state trails

    and than enters mass production
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:04 pm

    rambo54 wrote:


    yeah..I mean this one
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    looks nice. and it seems the power unit behind the driver cab (Not the vehicle's engine) for that TEL is a diesel engine, i guess it based on that black circle on top of the unit.

    Earlier S-300 family use gas turbine for TEL power generation.
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    Post  max steel on Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:07 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    max steel wrote:40N6 missiles ?

    Yes. Once made each product (correct me if Im mistaken) must pass

    - factory trials
    - army trials
    - state trails

    and than enters mass production


    40N6 is for upper atmosphere (exosphere ) kill just what Thaad do ( I know the difference btwn two but i'm talking about the range . )
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    Post  jhelb on Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:53 pm

    Viktor wrote:

    Yes. Once made each product (correct me if Im mistaken) must pass

    - factory trials
    - army trials
    - state trails

    and than enters mass production

    Viktor, 40N6 was successfully tested a long time ago and is now an integral part of S 400. So what are these new tests for?

    Also, what are "state trials"? Trials overseen by the Kremlin? Thanx.
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    Post  Austin on Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:36 am

    State Trails are the end user trails ( military ) where they test it before finally accepting it.

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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:36 pm

    jhelb wrote:Viktor, 40N6 was successfully tested a long time ago and is now an integral part of S 400. So what are these new tests for?

    Also, what are "state trials"? Trials overseen by the Kremlin? Thanx.

    Not by Kremlin but by different sets of standards each system has to pass in order to be accepted into service.



    and YEAH baby ..... three new S-400 regiments (probably 3 battery per regiment) will be delivered by the end of 2015 thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup russia

    Three regiments ZVO soon receive the latest air defense system S-400
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    Post  jhelb on Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:55 pm

    Viktor wrote:three new S-400 regiments (probably 3 battery per regiment) will be delivered by the end of 2015 thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup russia

    Three regiments ZVO soon receive the latest air defense system S-400

    Viktor, do you know how the ECM capabilities of the S 400 actually work against hostile aircraft?
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    Post  calripson on Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:59 pm

    Where will the 3 new regiments be deployed ? Isn't it odd that none have been deployed around Petersburg ?
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    Post  Pinto on Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:02 pm

    these missiles are most dreaded weapon for NATO, they are not fully secure from s 300 leave aside s400 russia
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    Post  franco on Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:40 pm

    calripson wrote:Where will the 3 new regiments be deployed ? Isn't it odd that none have been deployed around Petersburg ?

    One apparently has received the S-400. [Gostilitsy (500th regiment) - 8 S-400 & 12 PM's]
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:52 am

    franco wrote:
    calripson wrote:Where will the 3 new regiments be deployed ? Isn't it odd that none have been deployed around Petersburg ?

    One apparently has received the S-400. [Gostilitsy (500th regiment) - 8 S-400 & 12 PM's]

    We are talking about 3 new yet to be delivered S400 regiments whose deployment will come into force once tested by territorial PVO at Ashuluk meaning 2016.  Each regiment will most likely consist of 3 batteries meaning 9 S400 batteries in total. This year Russian Army PVO will receive one more S300V4 regiment.
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    Post  Austin on Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:48 am

    Viktor any information on S-300V4 max altitude of engagement ?

    We know the 40N6/S-400 can do 185 km
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:10 pm

    jhelb wrote:Viktor, do you know how the ECM capabilities of the S 400 actually work against hostile aircraft?

    Only in general. Im familiar with the composition, organization and duties but nothing like details.

    Even now for this basic knowledge I would need some time to dig up the info not to mention that

    in general Russian PVO ECM is one of the most secretive braanch meaning no info Very Happy

    Systematic approach is even more complex because of traditional Territorial PVO ECM troops an Army PVO ECM troops

    which are now being unified by the Moscow-1/Krasuha-2/Krasuha-4/Krasuha-20 system.

    Still I sugest this link LINK where we are trying to summarize whats going on.

    Anyway, ECM fight against enemy fighters, AWACS etc is done not by a S-400 system but by entirely diferent systems with its own composition

    and their own complex structure still integrated within PVO missile brigade

    or even a regiment like in S-400 case (because of the mighty 55K6 regimental command post) act like one body.


    Austin wrote:Viktor any information on S-300V4 max altitude of engagement ?

    We know the 40N6/S-400 can do 185 km

    The information about the altitude is not said to be this or that so most of the people assumed it remained the same but that might not be the truth.

    I would rather say it remained a secret.
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:23 am

    Viktor wrote:
    Still I sugest this link LINK where we are trying to summarize whats going on.

    Anyway, ECM fight against enemy fighters, AWACS etc is done not by a S-400 system but by entirely diferent systems with its own composition

    +1 for your explanation and for sharing the link.
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    Post  rambo54 on Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:17 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    franco wrote:
    calripson wrote:Where will the 3 new regiments be deployed ? Isn't it odd that none have been deployed around Petersburg ?

    One apparently has received the S-400. [Gostilitsy (500th regiment) - 8 S-400 & 12 PM's]

    We are talking about 3 new yet to be delivered S400 regiments whose deployment will come into force once tested by territorial PVO at Ashuluk meaning 2016.  Each regiment will most likely consist of 3 batteries meaning 9 S400 batteries in total. This year Russian Army PVO will receive one more S300V4 regiment.

    Wait and see. All this is not confirmed. They speak about "three regiments" and further down the line of "two regiments as of summer 2015".
    These two are probably not "new" but Kamchatka and Kola.
    Petersburg definitely still got no S-400!
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:10 pm

    rambo54 wrote:Wait and see. All this is not confirmed. They speak about "three regiments" and further down the line of "two regiments as of summer 2015".
    These two are probably not "new" but Kamchatka and Kola.
    Petersburg definitely still got no S-400!

    This is its second confirmation. The first one gave Putin during his visit to Almaz-Antey at the end of 2014. Laughing
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    Post  rambo54 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:31 pm

    It's always good to trust what you can see (on satellite or youtube or images).
    For example. One video clip here in this thread show us the deployment of S-400 (5P85S2) at Gadshijevo (the clip is from March this year).
    It is the 531st AD RGT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KSw4LE0_dq0
    The RGT has a second battalion over here 69.055234° 33.347985°. It is said that they replace a complete regimental set of equipment.
    Now we have image update of 27th May 2015 for this site.
    Have a look here  69.055234° 33.347985° and here  69.056937° 33.352159°. Still S-300PM (5P85T)! So not even the second Batt of this RGT is replaced (end of May)!

    So I'm a little bit sceptic about announcings.
    Earlier this year there were articles saying: New sites for S-400 are Novosibirsk or Novalja Semelya...or Vaganovo (St.Petersburg)...all nonsense.
    Future will tell and show the new locations. Cool
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:53 pm

    If you could ever hope to undoubtedly see everything than I might agree whith you but until than I will take

    the word of Almaz-Antey chairman or Russian president Putin or any other PVO general and the man from the branch over yours anytime Very Happy

    You tend to exert the control over the foreign army branch that relays on concealment tactics more than any other from any other country by counting some numbers from a civil

    satellites?! Does not go that way - even If you could use real time military satellites and have an army of top intelligence man by your side you would not know whats going on.

    You would not have a clue !
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    Post  rambo54 on Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:36 am

    Russian Politics always work this way: "announce one thing and realize the half"
    Continue to believe in Putin :-)
    Count your informations ...I count mine
    I think regarding the S-400 and S-300 and S-300V I have a pretty good overview
    Cheers
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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:12 pm

    Remember russia is the biggest user of dummies for Jets, helicopters, trucks, tanks, ICBM's, Trains and even SAM's.

    Civil purposed Satalites are bound to a specific magnification, meaning they are not allowed to go more detailed than what you can see on google and you have no chance distinguishing if this is a real vehicle or a dummy, not to mention it is already hard enough to distinguish what kind of vehicle you are seeing on those pictures.

    SAM (PVO,RKO and VKKO) are russias secret branches that are on the highest priority, you will not get even half the information and locations of those launchers, at least not nearly enoug coords to have any virtual usefulness of countering them with such low intel. It is like trying to gether intel on military hardware by using Wikishmedia alone.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:59 pm

    rambo54 wrote:Russian Politics always work this way: "announce one thing and realize the half"
    Continue to believe in Putin :-)
    Count your informations ...I count mine
    I think regarding the S-400 and S-300 and S-300V I have a pretty good overview
    Cheers

    How do you determine that what you are looking at is a Basic S-300P model or not? As well, what makes you think that is the locations mentioned as to where S-400 is supposed to be? Randomly searching on google earth isnt going to be accurate, nor is it going to cover every aspect of possible locations. So what makes your google world search more reliable than what the military states that they have in their inventory?
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    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:41 pm

    Russian S-400 Missile Defense Systems Operational in Kamchatka

    The capabilities of the new systems are several times better than the military efficiency of the anti-air defense of foreign states, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – S-400 Triumf missile defense systems have entered service in the Russian Armed Forces on the Kamchatka Peninsula, the head of the Defense Ministry's press service for the Eastern Military District said Friday.

    “The S-300 missile defense systems that were deployed earlier reliably defended the airspace for over a quarter of a century. The capabilities of the new technology will allow for the detection of air targets at more than 600 kilometers away and are several times better than the military efficiency of anti-air defense of foreign states,” Roman Martov said.

    The S-400 Triumf (SA-21 Growler) is a Russia's next-generation anti-aircraft weapon system, carrying three different types of missiles capable of destroying aerial targets at short-to-extremely long range.

    Russia is now undergoing a $325-billion rearmament program in order to achieve a 70-percent modernization of its military's weaponry by 2020.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150807/1025488389.html#ixzz3i8WS23Lg
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    Post  Austin on Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:00 am

    Russia’s Air Defenders Give Insight on S-400 Missile System

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150814/1025736315.html#ixzz3irfinZuA
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    Post  rambo54 on Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:34 pm

    we got new update of the Poljarny area on GE - image is from 9.7.15
    over here we have the new S-400 site of 531 RGT: 69.230996° 33.256711° - there are 12 TELs 5P85D2.
    The other site of 531 RGT 69.055827° 33.349671° seems to remain with some 16 TELs 5P85T of S-300PM.
    I think the RGT contains 2 Batt with 12 S-400 at one site and another 2 Batt with S-300PM at another site.

    So obviously we have a similiar situation as in Kalinigrad.
    There we have the 183 RGT with one S-400 site (54.681860° 21.012967°) with 12 TELs 5P85T2 in two Batt.
    Three other sites of this RGT still operates S-300PS: 54.872952° 19.953052° /  54.746847°  20.073375° / 54.600556°  19.847271°

    Cheers
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    Post  Cyrus the great on Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:53 pm

    The United States has apparently developed a range of weapons that can overwhelm and neutralise advanced IADS such as those deployed by Russia and China. Is this true or is it just commercial propaganda? It just doesn't seem realistic that this would work against Russia. The title of the video is stupid -I know- but let's discuss the content.


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