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    Post  rambo54 on Sat May 09, 2015 2:34 pm

    there is another source now wich comfirmed S-400 next to Podolsk in the south of Moscow. This is 549 RGT.
    That means there are one S-400RGT at each direction of the compass



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    Post  Viktor on Sat May 09, 2015 3:01 pm

    rambo54 wrote:there is another source now wich comfirmed S-400 next to Podolsk in the south of Moscow. This is 549 RGT.
    That means there are one S-400RGT at each direction of the compass

    http://de.sputniknews.com/zeitungen/20150112/300537584.html

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    There is no point of limiting S-400/300 view as it can shoot in any direction - thats why circles make more sense than triangles.

    Also you can put S-300 range at 300km and S-400 at 400km and than see what happens Very Happy

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Hey Viktor what's your thoughts about this development?

    Or, for example, a ground radar station. Today, this radar is a multi-storey building, but if you start to believe that radio Photonics work, then the station can be installed on a conventional truck. The efficiency and range will be exactly the same – thousands of kilometers. Several mobile and small complexes can be combined into a network, which will increase characteristics of these radars.

    KRET creates a laboratory for research in the field of photonics

    Interesting - with photonic or not the general tendency towards radar development is to become more powerful, smaller, with greater range and precision and ABOVE ALL mobility.

    With the introduction of the new Russian SAMs like S-500/400/350/Morfei/Verba and to its linked new radar systems like Nebo-M/Protivnik/Lira and other OTH, ECM/passive and

    numerous decoys all integrated by means of modern command posts etc PVO has again become a force to be reckon with. Even when attacking a smaller country with modern PVO (of

    which none can afford Russian style of PVO design) loosing 5-10% of the aircrat per attack can quickly degrade its offensive capabilities and mean huge loses for the attacker.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 10, 2015 1:27 pm

    That said it would still be foolish to leave the S-300s if they are available to you, of course this depends on the mission there are times you must leave the S-300 behind, take the VDV for instance.

    Of course my analogy does not work well when the weapon system in question has a range of up to 250km...

    Thats what i mean, why not also deploy fixed unit around such a hill as well, you'll have no gaps (of course they wont replace the mobile units) and they'll help prevent any nasty surprise gifts from Uncle Sam 24/7.

    What I am suggesting is a trap... your enemy will look at the land around your defended target and will see that hill straight away... if they don't spot any obvious radar or air defence unit on that hill or beyond it they might think the hill creates a blind spot and to fly a cruise missile at low altitude from behind that hill only to appear on defence screens as it flys past the hill would be a good way to attack... except that such a move would be anticipated so radar and missiles hidden on the hill would detect the incoming missile at long range and shoot it down easily.

    Even being on a hill doesnt mean you can hit in the back of another hill. Or better said to see first in the back of another hill. Fixed must be either placed on plain terrain either on biggest hill but whit aerian radar.

    Or use a mobile unit to go onto the hill in times of tension when an attack becomes possible... and camouflage it so they don't know it has moved there.

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed May 13, 2015 2:56 am

    GarryB wrote:
    That said it would still be foolish to leave the S-300s if they are available to you, of course this depends on the mission there are times you must leave the S-300 behind, take the VDV for instance.

    Of course my analogy does not work well when the weapon system in question has a range of up to 250km...

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    Thats what i mean, why not also deploy fixed unit around such a hill as well, you'll have no gaps (of course they wont replace the mobile units) and they'll help prevent any nasty surprise gifts from Uncle Sam 24/7.

    What I am suggesting is a trap... your enemy will look at the land around your defended target and will see that hill straight away... if they don't spot any obvious radar or air defence unit on that hill or beyond it they might think the hill creates a blind spot and to fly a cruise missile at low altitude from behind that hill only to appear on defence screens as it flys past the hill would be a good way to attack... except that such a move would be anticipated so radar and missiles hidden on the hill would detect the incoming missile at long range and shoot it down easily.

    Hmmm.....looks like we've gone full circle, this started with me being worried about a NATO sneak-attack while the S-300s are changing shifts, this implies that they (West) are aware of the weak spots and are monitoring it constantly until they see it's all clear, then send in a hypersonic missile to take whatever early-warning system/Base out and then unleash hell "Barbarossa" style on Russia.

    Even being on a hill doesnt mean you can hit in the back of another hill. Or better said to see first in the back of another hill. Fixed must be either placed on plain terrain either on biggest hill but whit aerian radar.

    Or use a mobile unit to go onto the hill in times of tension when an attack becomes possible... and camouflage it so they don't know it has moved there

    Agree, but having fixed systems there as well wouldn't hurt.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu May 14, 2015 9:45 pm

    4th batch of S-400 arrived to Kamchatka thumbsup

    Another batch of equipment kit C-400 arrived in Kamchatka
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    Post  Austin on Fri May 22, 2015 8:06 pm

    Russia Confirms S-400 SAM System for China
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    Post  rambo54 on Sat May 30, 2015 10:32 am

    Hi!
    Does somebody has the coordinates of the former Temp airfield on Kotelny Island?
    They obviously have placed some SA-22 at this airfield along with the 99 Tactical Group
    http://barentsobserver.com/en/security/2015/05/russia-develop-anti-aircraft-system-arctic-20-05
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:20 pm

    S-400 still arriving to Kamchatka   thumbsup

    Regimental Kit C-400 arrived in Kamchatka

    and is done

    All equipment regimental sets of S-400 "Triumph" brought to Kamchatka
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Jun 23, 2015 12:06 pm

    A QUESTION for the experts here regarding Intercepting Ballistic Missiles - Is the convention for using the S-400 the same as the S-300?

    During the days of the Soviet Union the general convention to intercept Ballistic missiles using the S 300 was to fire two exo atmospheric missiles followed by two endo atmospheric missiles.

    Is the same practice in vogue in Russia today now that the S 400 is in place?
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:41 pm

    jhelb wrote:A QUESTION for the experts here regarding Intercepting Ballistic Missiles - Is the convention for using the S-400 the same as the S-300?

    During the days of the Soviet Union the general convention  to intercept Ballistic missiles using the S 300 was to fire two exo atmospheric missiles followed by two endo atmospheric missiles.

    Is the same practice in vogue in Russia today now that the S 400 is in place?

    You are right. Missiles would be fired in line one after the other.

    Situation as far as I know has not changed but the number of missiles fired in line is smaller. On the other hand now toop tier Russian SAMs can engage much more dificult targets

    and in those cases it is likely 3-4 missiles will be used.

    Same situation is applied in any case depending on how difficult target is no matter are we speaking about SHORAD or top tier class. How many missiles, who and with what

    guidance is determined by command posts.
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    Post  jhelb on Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:14 pm

    Thanks Viktor, my vote. Just need a few insights on your observations.

    Viktor wrote:but the number  of missiles fired in line is smaller.

    Smaller in a sense like fewer missiles, less than 4?


    Viktor wrote:On the other hand now toop tier Russian SAMs can engage much more dificult targets

    and in those cases it is likely 3-4 missiles will be used.

    The S 400 for all means and purpose will be used against IRBMs. ICBMs will be handled by A 235 until the S 500 arrives.

    Is that what you are saying?

    Viktor wrote:Same situation is applied in any case depending on how difficult target is no matter are we speaking about SHORAD or top tier class. How many missiles, who and with what

    guidance is determined by command posts.  

    So the S 400 will fire two 40N6 missiles, followed by a combination of two 48N6 or one 48N6 and another 9M96E2.

    If they are still unable to destroy the incoming warhead then the S 350 will fire the 9M96 and 9M100 missiles.

    Is that the modus operandi?
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    Post  max steel on Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:44 pm

    What all Ballistic Missiles Russia has in its arsenal ? Except iksander ( they are maneuverable and can pierce defense blocks .) But what about other old and same path SRBM's , IRBM's or MRBM's ?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:05 am

    But what about other old and same path SRBM's , IRBM's or MRBM's ?

    None... all missiles with a range of between 500km and 5,500km are banned by the INF treaty.

    Ballistic and ground based cruise missiles included.

    If they are still unable to destroy the incoming warhead then the S 350 will fire the 9M96 and 9M100 missiles.

    9M100 is a short range IIR guided missile and likely will not be used against long range weapons.

    Like TOR it might be used against cruise missiles and short range ballistic missiles or guided weapons like ATCMS etc.
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:20 am

    jhelb wrote:Smaller in a sense like fewer missiles, less than 4?

    Yes, heaving HARM heading 30N6 way in low lvl approach will certainly draw a lots of attention and will be shoot at with a 3-4 missiles in line.




    jhelb wrote:The S 400 for all means and purpose will be used against IRBMs. ICBMs will be handled by A 235 until the S 500 arrives.

    Is that what you are saying?


    Yes, but I think we will see the S-500 first and A-235 second.




    jhelb wrote:So the S 400 will fire two 40N6 missiles, followed by a combination of two 48N6 or one 48N6 and another 9M96E2.

    If they are still unable to destroy the incoming warhead then the S 350 will fire the 9M96 and 9M100 missiles.

    Is that the modus operandi?


    Something in line with that, yes. Sometimes command post will issue the comand to fire a single 40N6 or 48N6 because calculations said it will score a kill but sometimes command post

    will light up dozen of its subordinates and superior command posts along with its ECM and decoys.
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    Post  jhelb on Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:01 pm

    Viktor wrote: Sometimes command post will issue the comand to fire a single 40N6 or 48N6

    Thanks again Viktor. Just two more questions:

    1. What is the speed at which 40N6 and 48N6 travels? I read somewhere that they travel at hypersonic speed, Mach 5 and above. Is that true?

    2. How long can the 40N6 and 48N6 remain airborne before they exhaust all the fuel?
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    Post  Mike E on Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:41 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Viktor wrote: Sometimes command post will issue the comand to fire a single 40N6 or 48N6  

    Thanks again Viktor. Just two more questions:

    1. What is the speed at which 40N6 and 48N6 travels? I read somewhere that they travel at hypersonic speed, Mach 5 and above. Is that true?

    2. How long can the  40N6 and 48N6 remain airborne before they exhaust all the fuel?
    I'm not nearly as knowledgable as viktor but I'll give it a shot.

    1. Between Mach 4 and Mach 6, depending on the stage of flight. IIRC it is Mach 5 at terminal but that's just a guess.

    2. I'd assume no longer than their range + maximum altitude combined.
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    Post  rambo54 on Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:32 am

    now we got the first glance of the S-400 site at Podolsk. So it is defenitely the 549 AD RGT.
    One (of the two Battalions) is visible now due to google earth update 55.363357° 37.442335°.
    It seems that they didn't get the 5P85T2 but the well known 5P85D2 (MAZ) launcher.

    Up to now I never registered the announced 51P6 vehicle...any ideas?

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    Post  rambo54 on Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:43 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S101J6p7Ttk
    evidence for 5P85S2 Type (MAZ) launcher at Kamchatka



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    Post  max steel on Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:11 pm

    Russia’s air defence to get new generation missile systems Vityaz soon


    Currently, the Russian armed forces were being rearmed with S-400 system Triumf and air defenсe missile-artillery system Pantsir-S
    Medium-range anti-aircraft defence system S-350 Vityaz will enter duty in the near future, the commander of the Air Force’s anti-aircraft defence, Major-General Sergey Babakov, told the media on Wednesday.


    "In the near future air defence units will begin to be armed with the new generation S-350 systems," Babakov said.Currently, he said, the Russian armed forces were being rearmed with S-400 system Triumf and air defenсe missile-artillery system Pantsir-S."The deliveries are proceeding in keeping with the defenсe contract schedule, without any disruptions," he said. Earlier, the chief of the Almaz-Antei concern, Yan Novikov, said that the S-350 system Vityaz will begin to be batch-produced this year. For the first time the S-350E modification was presented to the public at large at the international air show MAKS-2013 near Moscow.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:58 am

    rambo54 wrote:

    Up to now I never registered the announced 51P6 vehicle...any ideas?

    Sort of related to this....new transport vehicles 5T58-2 for the S-300/400 have started being serially produced

    Arrow http://rostec.ru/news/4516842


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    Post  rambo54 on Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:42 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    rambo54 wrote:

    Up to now I never registered the announced 51P6 vehicle...any ideas?

    Sort of related to this....new transport vehicles 5T58-2 for the S-300/400 have started being serially produced

    Arrow http://rostec.ru/news/4516842


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    yeah..I mean this one
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    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:56 am

    Head of anti-aircraft missile forces Air Force Major-General Sergey Babakov said that the S-300PS today already "physically and morally" outdated.
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    Post  medo on Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:44 am

    George1 wrote:Head of anti-aircraft missile forces Air Force Major-General Sergey Babakov said that the S-300PS today already "physically and morally" outdated.

    We know this and Russian PVO will soon starting replacing them with S-350.
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    Post  Viktor on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:21 pm

    Once done will enter mass production thumbsup

    Tests of Extended Range Missiles for S-400 Almost Finished
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    Post  max steel on Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:45 pm

    Viktor wrote:Once done will enter mass production  thumbsup

    Tests of Extended Range Missiles for S-400 Almost Finished


    40N6 missiles ?

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