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    Re: S-300/400/500 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #2

    Post  medo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:18 pm

    Viktor wrote:S-300 for everyone !!!  Very Happy 

    Putin calls for air defense systems to increase production for export

    This is an area where Russia absolutely rules and should exploit it to the fullest

    And for domestic units.
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:31 pm

    medo wrote:And for domestic units.

    S-500/400/350/300V4, BUK-M3/M2/, Tor-M2U, Pancir-S1/SM, Morfei, Verba etc  Very Happy 
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:58 pm

    Nice S-400 pic
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    Post  macedonian on Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:50 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    Nice S-400 pic
    [/quote]


    Nice pic indeed.
    I already told you Viktor, you are the bearer of good news here...
    Love your posts!
     cheers russia
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    Post  George1 on Thu May 01, 2014 10:42 am

    Combat units operating S-400 air defense systems have come on duty in Moscow Region

    Combat units of Zvenigorod air defense regiment operating S-400 Triumph air defense systems have come on duty after completion of training at the Tembr-M simulator. The units are responsible for assuring the air defense of Moscow, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the official representative of the Aerospace Defense Forces, Colonel Alexey Zolotukhin.

    "The combat units of Zvenigorod air defense regiment of the Aerospace Defense Forces took delivery of S-400 Triumph and Pantsir S-1 air defense systems this March. The personnel have successfully passed the training required for operating S-400 systems. The training was being carried out at the Russia’s only training regiment of Air Defense Forces. They have already carried out range practice at Kapustin Yar firing range and come on duty to provide air defense of Moscow and the central industrial district", - Zolotukhin said.

    "The training regiment of Air Defense Forces based in Moscow Region is responsible for personnel training of air defense regiments operating S-300 and S-400. The training was being carried out under conditions of complicated air situation using real aircraft and Tembr-M simulators", - Zolotukhin added.

    Tembr-M is a unique simulator because it allows simulating any combat environment in real-time mode. Using a digital map of Moscow Region the specialists of the training regiment are able to prepare combat units for operation of S-300 and S-400 systems in any region of the world.

    "Last year we have held over 30 exams at the training regiment’s facilities. The regiment’s specialists have trained over 70 combat units of command posts of the air defense regiments. Over 1000 service members of Aerospace Defense Forces have passed the training", - the Colonel added.
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue May 13, 2014 7:38 pm



    this is cool.

    Hmm 30N6 or 92N6 i wonder ?
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    Post  AbsoluteZero on Sat May 31, 2014 4:06 pm

    What is the new standard truck platform for newer air defense systems like S-400/S-500? is it BAZ? cause MAZ is a Belarussian company, and I think its better if the Russian military stick to domestic products
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:28 pm

    With english subtitles - S-300V



    And Austin, Sujoy - the S-300V was meant to fight aero-ballistic targets from day one - I remember one of you asked that question a while ago (just cant remember who) Very Happy
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:20 pm

    Viktor wrote:With english subtitles - S-300V

    And Austin, Sujoy - the S-300V was meant to fight aero-ballistic targets from day one - I remember one of you asked that question a while ago (just cant remember who) Very Happy

    and from the day one it's also have directional warhead. Something which S-300P family did much later in 48N6D  Very Happy
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:47 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:and from the day one it's also have directional warhead. Something which S-300P family did much later in 48N6D  Very Happy

    True and other important things where:

    - From day one S-300V was 6 channel target engagement system (S-300P was 4)
    - Much better cross country mobility
    - Ability to engage aerodynamic, aero-ballistic and ballistic targets

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:56 am

    Viktor wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:and from the day one it's also have directional warhead. Something which S-300P family did much later in 48N6D  Very Happy

    True and other important things where:

    - From day one S-300V was 6 channel target engagement system (S-300P was 4)
    - Much better cross country mobility
    - Ability to engage aerodynamic, aero-ballistic and ballistic targets

    How many channels target engagement have the S-400?
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:06 am

    Vann7 wrote:How many channels target engagement have the S-400?

    - 10 target engagement channels

    - 20 missile channels

    That of course refers to domestic model. Export one is 6/6.

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:06 am

    Viktor wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:How many channels target engagement have the S-400?

    - 10 target engagement channels

    - 20 missile channels

    That of course refers to domestic model. Export one is 6/6.


    So if you have 10 x S-400's domestic you can in theory engage 10x10 =100 targets at same time.?

    and then 100 x S-400s can engage 1,000 targets at same time too ..

    Another question could be if the Air defense network of the S-400 can effectively LOCK a target and report another S-400
    that the target is already in process to be destroyed so that No S-400 defense waste missiles on targets already locked and only attack
    the ones not being targeted?

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    Post  Asf on Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:54 am

    Another question could be if the Air defense network of the S-400 can effectively LOCK a target and report another S-400
    that the target is already in process to be destroyed so that No S-400 defense waste missiles on targets already locked and only attack
    the ones not being targeted?
    Not only another S-400. What's for command and control battaries are. IIRC the data could be transmitted even to army AA units. Air Defence forces (or rather Space Defence forces, as air defence forces are now integrated with Space forces) has imho the most advanced automated control system in the whole Russian Army.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:17 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:How many channels target engagement have the S-400?

    - 10 target engagement channels

    - 20 missile channels

    That of course refers to domestic model. Export one is 6/6.


    So if you have 10 x S-400's domestic you can in theory engage 10x10 =100 targets at same time.?

    and then 100 x S-400s can engage 1,000 targets at same time too ..

    Another question could be if the Air defense network of the S-400 can effectively LOCK a target and report another S-400
    that the target is already in process to be destroyed so that No S-400 defense waste missiles on targets already locked and only attack
    the ones not being targeted?

    ...Of course, it's totally integrated:

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    Post  medo on Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:46 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Another question could be if the Air defense network of the S-400 can effectively LOCK a target and report another S-400
    that the target is already in process to be destroyed so that No S-400 defense waste missiles on targets already locked and only attack
    the ones not being targeted?

    Of course, this is one of the basic tasks of IADS and that is why every battalion, regiment, brigade and higher have their command posts, to coordinate the work inside unit as well as with neighbor units.
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:47 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    So if you have 10 x S-400's domestic you can in theory engage 10x10 =100 targets at same time.?

    and then 100 x S-400s can engage 1,000 targets at same time too ..

    Thats right and new you can easily calculate how many targets will 56 batteries be able to engage that will be delivered by the end of 2020. 92N6 can engage 10 targets with twice as

    missiles.Of course even after 2020 deliveries of S-400 will continue at great rate.

    Now Russia has about 220-240 92N6/36N6/9S32 missile guidance radar systems (one per battery) so you can calculate how many targets Russian S-300/400 can engage at once with

    how many missiles  Very Happy 



    [/quote]Another question could be if the Air defense network of the S-400 can effectively LOCK a target and report another S-400
    that the target is already in process to be destroyed so that No S-400 defense waste missiles on targets already locked and only attack
    the ones not being targeted?[/quote]

    Of course. Since before Vietnam war and some would argue even during WW2 (directing PVO guns) some primitive methods existed for target distribution.

    During the Vietnam war Russia had Krab/Vozdoh/ASURK command posts in place within S-75 batteries to calculate, prioritize and distribute targets among shooting radar systems so no

    overlapping would occur. Command posts are single most important thing because of their ability to calculate, prioritize and distribute (and much more) targets amoung themselves raising

    efficiency of the whole IADS by several times in comparison  when there are none in the team (take note that Serbia did not have command posts during NATO attacks).


    Look HERE

    And this is how integration of all command posts look like - Russian made IADS:

    For territorial PVO






    and for Army PVO






    and this is just the beggining because each command posts governs ELINT/ECM/ECCM/ finghter interceptor command posts etc etc ... its a madness Very Happy

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:50 pm

    Well not really.. No idea what a battery of 56 is ,so calculate for me.. lol

    when you say up to 240 you mean S-400s/S-300s units?  240 x 10 = 2,400


    However in my opinion.. I think a proper defense for a major conventional war ,with NATO ,Russia needs at least the capability
    to intercept at least 10,000 missiles,rockets,ballistics targets,planes and drones fired at the same time. and ideally about 40,000 in the eastern front alone.  Iran for example claims to have 12,000 missiles.. So for NATO that should be not a Major problem.

    However alternatively Russia can combine Pantsirs-S1 defenses with S-300s/400/. So for example to have 1,000 thousand of Pantsir
    mobile Sams deployed at Russian Borders could create a tremendous impenetrable wall for any missile flying very low up to visual altitude.
    and any few missiles ,rocket that manage to pass to be taken by S-300s/S-400s. In short border filled with automatic precision Gatling guns defenses should create a new impenetrable wall around their border with the right combination of radars.


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    Post  Viktor on Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:00 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Well not really.. No idea what a battery of 56 is ,so calculate for me.. lol


    I meant to say that by 2020 Russia will have 56 S-400 batteries meaning it will be able to shoot with those 56 S-400 at 56 x 10 = 560 targets at once with 560 x 2 = 1120 missiles.

    Got it?


    Vann7 wrote:when you say up to 240 you mean S-400s/S-300s units?  240 x 10 = 2,400

    Nope, S-300 battery can guide 12 missiles on 6 targets so less than that.

    You need to count all S-400 and times 10 and than all S-300 times 6 and than will you get the number of the beast Very Happy

    + ofcourse all the other AD systems like TOR/PAncir/BUK-M1/M2/Osa-AKM/Igla etc
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:58 pm

    BIG one  thumbsup 

    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/736382

    A hypothetical enemy’s massive air raids will be simulated with the maximum possible number of cruise missiles and aircraft

    The air defense force will be using the S-400 Triumf and S-300 Favorit air defense systems, Pantsyr-S anti aircraft guns, Kasta-2.2 radars and Fundament-M automation system.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:55 pm

    Viktor wrote:BIG one  thumbsup 
    now this is how one should flip the bird towards cockgarglers.
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    Post  medo on Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:39 pm

    Viktor wrote:BIG one  thumbsup 

    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/736382

    A hypothetical enemy’s massive air raids will be simulated with the maximum possible number of cruise missiles and aircraft

    The air defense force will be using the S-400 Triumf and S-300 Favorit air defense systems, Pantsyr-S anti aircraft guns, Kasta-2.2 radars and Fundament-M automation system.

    Russian PVO go through more and more trainings and exercises, so they get more and more skills and higher quality.  thumbsup 
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    Post  zg18 on Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:08 pm

    Not sure if posted



    S-400 factory , many ask about missile in the foreground? S-500 , S-400 large missile?

    http://i-korotchenko.livejournal.com/900591.html
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:57 am

    question: how much does the most common s-300/400 missile cost? are we talking a million dollars a piece or less?

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