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    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:46 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:Western media doesn't waste a change to say bad things about T-50. Very Happy

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0327/Grounded-Russia-s-answer-to-US-next-gen-fighter-hits-the-skids

    ...You got to love how it comes with the cliche'd 'Kremlin' and 'Putin', like the Ministry of Defense and Sergey Shoygu, and or the VVS and Viktor Bondarev don't exist or have a say in the matter lol!

    Not to mention they failed to mention that even if initial batch will be 12 rather than 50, the final amount will still be the same, so they extended the deadline per se rather than dropping the numbers being produced.  So they will still end up with the 200 - 250 that they are initially wanting.  And they will start production next year.

    It's standard procedure that the MOD requires a sample size of military systems that they will use to engage in their own trials, and determine if the system in question is adequate, if it needs improvement and or if they want to ask for something more capable before going in to mass production. The article is garbage, it jumps to conclusions without actually engaging in any serious investigative journalism, and they don't even delve into questions about mode of operations, standard of procedure regarding Soviet/Russian procurement of weapon systems going in to service.
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    Post  type055 Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:23 pm

    Is there any information about T50's sencond stage engine? I mean izdeliye 30
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    Post  Alex555 Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:13 am

    From paralay

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    Post  Austin Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:18 am

    PAK-FA, T-50: News #3 Pak-fa10
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:20 am

    Alex, Austin, thanks so much for this photo. Very good find!
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:30 am

    Why is it called PAS FA?
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    Post  Alex555 Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:Why is it called PAS FA?
    C=/=S. C=Complex= Rus "K" Suspect
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:38 pm

    Alex555 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Why is it called PAS FA?
    C=/=S. C=Complex= Rus "K" Suspect

    So in other words they basically translated the acronym.

    From Perspektivnyj Aviatsonnyj Kompleks - Frontovoj Aviatsii (PAK-FA)
    to
    Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation (PAC FA)

    Makes sense I guess.
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    Post  jhelb Sat Apr 04, 2015 6:53 pm

    The Engine specs mentioned in the pics are not that of the Izdeliye 30. However IOC has been stated to be 2016(in the pic).

    I suspect this is a fanboy pic and not an official pic released by Sukhoi.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:25 pm

    A new documentary about the PAK FA, with some good footage, around the 34:48 mark you'll see what the life raft system that's stored in the ejection seat will look like:

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    Post  mack8 Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:11 pm

    Nice find, thanks Magnum.
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    Post  victor1985 Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:21 pm

    I heard the program was cancelled. Why? @garry i forgot if i asked but: can a material be maked whit liquid bubbles inside so that disipates radar waves in all directions and put to plane?
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    Post  mack8 Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:01 pm

    On another note, did anyone heard anything about some sort of "incident" happening with 052 yesterday? What is exactly "fonar" or "fonarya", is that supposed to be the cockpit transparency? Thanks.
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:09 pm

    mack8 wrote:On another note, did anyone heard anything about some sort of "incident" happening with 052 yesterday? What is exactly "fonar" or "fonarya", is that supposed to be the cockpit transparency? Thanks.

    Fonarya means lamp/illuminator.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:17 pm

    US to Develop 6th Generation Fighters to Outrun Russian, Chinese Jets

    The US Air Force and Navy plan to pursue the development and acquisition of sixth-generation F/A-XX fighters; they consider the fleet of existing jets incapable of handling their Russian and Chinese fifth-generation counterparts, something which they feel constitutes a real threat to national security.
    ..........

    http://sputniknews.com/world/20150412/1020791573.html

    Ooh god, can you imagine what such an endeavor would cost, this will make the F-35 look like a joke, and do we even know what defines a Sixth gen fighter yet. scratch

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:23 pm

    Marketing defines it. This wont see light of day like most other recent boeing initiatives. They are trying to use threat of Pak Fa and J-20 to market this idea but I am pretty sure it will fail just as hard as F-35 so far is.
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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:27 am

    A bit on the future US engine

    Pratt & Whitney Unveils Sixth-Generation Fighter Engine, F135 Upgrade Options
    http://aviationweek.com/defense/pratt-unveils-sixth-generation-fighter-engine-f135-upgrade-options
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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:38 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:A bit on the future US engine

    Pratt & Whitney Unveils Sixth-Generation Fighter Engine, F135 Upgrade Options
    http://aviationweek.com/defense/pratt-unveils-sixth-generation-fighter-engine-f135-upgrade-options

    ew... dem "Premium content"

    Anyway the 6th fighter generation is still not have a solid definition yet.. One thing i speculate is that US might go in similar tactics as their Long Range Bomber program by trying to make it cheaper instead going "big bang" As what they did with F-22's.

    The 6th generation might likely tout "networking", "Optionally manned" and "Direct energy weapons" as its PR material.
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    Post  EKS Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:18 am

    Does Anyone know when the 6e (flying) prototype of the t50 can be expected?

    I know that the are producing 3 planes. But i don't know their production status.
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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:25 am

    Russia will be producing more than 1500 navigation systems for PAK FA per year
    Russian Aviaton » Thursday April 23, 2015 18:46 MSK

    More than 1500 versatile BINS-SP-2M strapdown inertial navigation systems will be manufactured in Russia every year. The latest Russian fifth-generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA) will be fitted with this system, RIA Novosti reports with reference to the press-service of Radioelectronic Technologies Concern (KRET, part of Rostec State Corporation).

    “Moscow Institute of Electromechanics and Automatics (MIEA, part of KRET) developed the versatile BINS-SP-2M strapdown inertial navigation system, which may be installed on aircraft, vessels or ground vehicles. The production program assumes output of 1500 systems per year,” KRET reports.

    Multi-role Su-35S fighter is fitted with BINS-SP-2M system. It will also be installed on PAK FA jets.

    “The cost of the new BINS system is 40% lower compared to foreign analogues. At that BINS-SP-2M outmatches the foreign systems in terms of performance. Moreover, its service life is at least 50,000 hours (almost two times longer compared to analogues),” MIEA CEO Alexey Kuznetsov said.

    BINS-SP-2M is able to define the position of an aircraft more precisely (precision is almost two times higher compared to the previous version), Kuznetsov added. KRET is going to modify BINS-SP-2M for use on carrier-based aircraft, press-service added.

    The system is intended for defining the position of an object, data processing and generating navigation and flight information using GLONASS system. At the same time the system is able to define coordinates and parameters of the object’s movement in standalone mode and in case of absence of external signals.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:27 pm

    That is going to be a useful system for artillery vehicles like Grad and Coalition.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:01 am

    In English, we called it "jealousy". In Vietnamese, we called it GATO (Ghen Ăn Tức Ở)

    https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20150421.aspx

    The T-50 is not meant to be a direct rival for the F-22 because the Russian aircraft is not as stealthy. lol!  lol!

    While the T-50 is the stealthiest aircraft the Russians have, it is not nearly as stealthy as the F-22 lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1

    http://theaviationist.com/2015/04/07/t-50-pak-fa-new-problems/

    Russian Deputy Minister of Defence Yuri Borisov, has recently announced that the PAK-FA programme may be halted or adjusted, due to the dire conditions of Russia’s economy lol1, affected by the Ukrainian crisis and the subsequent (proxy war and) EU sanctions lol! .
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    Post  Zivo Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:08 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    The T-50 is not meant to be a direct rival for the F-22 because the Russian aircraft is not as stealthy. lol!  lol!

    It's not meant to be a rival, it's meant to be the apex predator. Twisted Evil
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    Post  collegeboy16 Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:13 am

    Zivo wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    The T-50 is not meant to be a direct rival for the F-22 because the Russian aircraft is not as stealthy. lol!  lol!

    It's not meant to be a rival, it's meant to be the apex predator. Twisted Evil
    its not as stealthy as the F-22, sure Razz , but enough so the F-22 cant see it in a fight. the f-22's gonna be reiped.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:57 pm

    I heard the program was cancelled. Why?

    Not cancelled.

    Some idiot read there was an order for 12 pre serial production aircraft for the Air force and took that to mean that they were only going to order 12 in the 2015-2020 financial period... the first order of 12 is for operational testing units to develop the manuals to use the aircraft including tactics and maintainence.

    @garry i forgot if i asked but: can a material be maked whit liquid bubbles inside so that disipates radar waves in all directions and put to plane?

    Air doesn't deflect or dissipate radar waves... early stealth paint had small iron balls suspended within it for the same purpose... in practical terms I rather doubt its effectiveness.

    It's not meant to be a rival, it's meant to be the apex predator.

    Yeah... a cat is much less able to hide from a mouse than a mouse is able to hide from a cat, but that is not a problem with the design of the cat...

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