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    Post  Big_Gazza on Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:08 pm

    Russia getting anywhere in the international launch service market is never going to happen because the US cannot be trusted and would simply boycott any satellite with US-made components from being launched by Russian rockets. They did before and they will do it again if it suits them.

    FFS, the Yankistani cunts just sanctioned Rusal for no other reason than to pressure the Russian elite and damage the Russian economy. What sort of fuckwit would think they won't crucify a nascent Russian commercial launch services industry, especially if it was successful at taking business from US interests?

    First and foremost the Russian launcher industry needs to focus on efficient access to space fr domestic federal and national security payloads. Commercial comes a distant second.

    More important than a commercial launch industry would be to accelerate import substitution in space-qualified electronics. Russia still imports too much in the way of foreign-made components and much of their spacecraft reliability problems could well be due to sabotaged electronics finding their way into imported spacecraft subsystems.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:01 pm



    Paying nothing is not capitalism. Musk pays nothing. He even gets money from the state to do what the state (NASA) could do cheaper. Why should Russia copy such a System?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:23 pm

    Hole wrote:

    Paying nothing is not capitalism. Musk pays nothing. He even gets money from the state to do what the state (NASA) could do cheaper. Why should Russia copy such a System?

    I just said they shouldn't

    Take the money, deliver the product and have a nice day
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:14 pm

    What risks? You sell it to vetted customers.

    What difference does vetting make?

    Mr Skripal was vetted too to become part of Russian intelligence yet he sold out his country to the UK fairly easily enough...

    Or you maybe think that whole thing should be entrusted to morons like ones from Krunichev who successfully delivered the whole industry segment to SpaceX on silver platter?

    Why sell anything in this regard... it is a tiny market with high risks and moderate returns... you could have a perfect record for years and then a couple of mistakes and you are screwed... and for what?

    You mean just like they are handing it over to USA companies right now in exchange for pittance? Because that's what they are doing.

    Hand it over to private companies after those (Russian) private companies pay money for it and yes, that's exactly what capitalism is.

    So you are saying you would be happier if they were charging more?

    Russia getting anywhere in the international launch service market is never going to happen because the US cannot be trusted and would simply boycott any satellite with US-made components from being launched by Russian rockets. They did before and they will do it again if it suits them.

    Exactly.

    More important than a commercial launch industry would be to accelerate import substitution in space-qualified electronics. Russia still imports too much in the way of foreign-made components and much of their spacecraft reliability problems could well be due to sabotaged electronics finding their way into imported spacecraft subsystems.

    X2

    If you want to go all western and have commercial launches then do it in style... use Satans to launch satellites on the cheap...

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    What difference does vetting make?

    None whatsoever and IMO it's completely superfoulus but people here got their panties in a bunch over selling precious old and already sold technology so I mentioned it as method of ticking the boxes.

    Sell it to Somalia for all I care, what difference does it make? Money is money.




    GarryB wrote:
    Why sell anything in this regard... it is a tiny market with high risks and moderate returns... you could have a perfect record for years and then a couple of mistakes and you are screwed... and for what?

    Because of money. Same reason they are selling it already to USA.

    Sell the engines and let customers worry about risks, returns, perfect record and getting screwed.

    If one of customers fucks up there will always be next one in line for purchase.

    RD-180 is already sold to USA, why just sell it to them? What makes them special?

    Sell it to whoever has the money, it's not like they are selling some super awesome secret technology, it's been on the market for decades.


    Bottom line is, don't waste time and money on commercial launches, sell the engines to any private entity that has money, take the money and let them deal with commercial segment.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:35 am

    As of April 17th, a Russian private company (S7 Space) now completely owns the Sea Launch project, vessel and launch platform. Ukrainians went bankrupt and cashed out.

    Current plans are to use Yuzhmash (Ukrainian) designed Zenit rockets composed of abotu 80% Russian parts, and assembled in the USA - at least until 2022; when a new Russian rocket (the Soyuz 5) will be ready to replace it.
    The sea launch platform will be based off the coast of Long Beach, California.. about 15km from SpaceX headquarters.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/sea-launch-2018.html
    The article here paints a bleak picture and with some justification I'd say.
    But of course when Elon Musk made all his pronouncements and initial PR he didn't have a ready rocket either. If S7 invests adequately then they should be able to get launches up and running when the Soyuz 5 gets underway at least, even if Yuzhmash don't deliver on the Zenit rockets (really it's more of a case of Russian parts and US manufacturing facilities, even more than them)

    Interesting times.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:40 am

    I can't say I approve of ANY dealings with Banderite-controlled aerospace entities.  Russia should simply impose a blanket ban on all such products and enterprises except where needed temporarily until import substitution is achieved. Starve these bastards of funds and drive them into bankruptcy.

    BTW what is up with Rogozin talking about methalox engines for Soyuz-5? The kerolox design documentation is now approved, so is methalox a seperate development? Will launch pads be designed to handle both kerosene and liquid methane? scratch I wonder if this is a part of Soyuz-5 reuseability concepts that are not yet made public (methane doesn't cause coking so allows engines to be quickly returned to flight status)?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:56 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:I can't say I approve of ANY dealings with Banderite-controlled aerospace entities.  Russia should simply impose a blanket ban on all such products and enterprises except where needed temporarily until import substitution is achieved. Starve these bastards of funds and drive them into bankruptcy.

    ......

    Contract is for 5 Zenit rockets, after that they will be switching to Soyuz.

    Miniscule number, no reason for hassle.

    If they want it then they should go for it, Roscosmos should ditch commercial segment and this is one way to do it, last thing I would want to see is Roscosmos wasting time on it especially once Soyuz-5​ is in play.

    I am actually curious about this S7 situation, should make for some interesting footage once they start operating off Florida.

    And who knows, maybe S7 will figure out how to add reusability feature while they are at it, it is all the rage lately.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:25 am

    PapaDragon wrote:And who knows, maybe S7 will figure out how to add reusability feature while they are at it, it is all the rage lately.

    Hmmm...  funnily enough, Rogozin was recently waffling about making a methalox version of Soyuz-5, and of course, one of the main advantages of methane fuel is it doesn't cause coking so facilitates a rapid return to flight.

    http://tass.ru/kosmos/5135098

    VORONEZH, 17 April. / TASS /. The government in three months will consider the option of creating a Soyuz-5 rocket not on oxygen-kerosene, but on a fundamentally new methane engine. This was told by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on the visit to the production site of KBCA in Voronezh.

    "Roskosmos has now approved a sketch prepared by RSC Energia on the Soyuz-5 rocket, and I and my colleagues believe that we should not talk about creating a new medium rocket but about a new generation of missiles that will replace Angara in the future, it should be a step forward, "he said." The decision has not been made yet. "The Roskosmos has already approved the sketch for Soyuz-5, but I have now instructed to prepare it (and in three months it will be submitted to the government), we look at the alternative, which will not be on the oxygen-kerosene engine, but on the meter new new engine, including the possible development KBKhA ".

    The Vice-Premier expressed hope that "three months later, after seeing the technical engineering memo of Voronezh engine builders and Samara missileists, we will make a new decision, which we will report to the president."



    Replace Angara?  Surely he realises that its perfectly possble (even desirable) to have both a 25-32T class modular rocket and a larger modular system based on 17-20T class modules? This is what I dislike about Rogozin.  I like his enthusiasm but he shoots from the hip like a drunken cowboy...  Its shit like this that encourages the Murican Russophobes and shit-posters and gives them unnecessary ammo.

    On 2nd thoughts, maybe this is his way to deliver a bitch-slap to Khrunichev over the delays in getting Omsk manufacturing up to speed.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:32 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Replace Angara?  Surely he realises that its perfectly possble (even desirable) to have both a 25-32T class modular rocket and a larger modular system based on 17-20T class modules? This is what I dislike about Rogozin.  I like his enthusiasm but he shoots from the hip like a drunken cowboy...  Its shit like this that encourages the Murican Russophobes and shit-posters and gives them unnecessary ammo.

    On 2nd thoughts, maybe this is his way to deliver a bitch-slap to Khrunichev over the delays in getting Omsk manufacturing up to speed.

    The thing about Rogozin is that he never knows WTF he is about. Replacing a completely new family of rockets that have been developed at considerable expense and are meant to carry Russia well into the 21st century. Right.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:...........
    The thing about Rogozin is that he never knows WTF he is about. Replacing a completely new family of rockets that have been developed at considerable expense and are meant to carry Russia well into the 21st century. Right.


    Angara is not going anywhere. True, it is no longer priority now that Soyuz-5 is in play but it will be in service because military demands at least 2 types of rockets available in categories they use (light and medium).

    This means that Angara will be riding the bench for Soyuz series in addition to any other use they might find for it.

    Rogozin needs to learn some humility and cut the BS about stuff he seems to know nothing about.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:44 pm

    Russia will compensate for Angola lost satellite and build a new one
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:37 pm


    Vostochny Cosmodrome Preps for Tourism

    https://sputniknews.com/science/201804231063831689-vostochny-cosmodrome-tourism-potential/
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 25, 2018 8:59 pm


    Nice to see that at least someone is making an effort but it would be better in the long run to build in Vostochnii (just my 2c)

    S7 proposed to restore the launch pad at Baikonur for launches of Soyuz-5

    https://ria.ru/science/20180525/1521374672.html

    Russian private space company Space S7 offers to rebuild the Launchpad at the Baikonur cosmodrome for launches of the new Russian rocket "Soyuz-5", and a functioning platform to continue to be used for launches of "Zenith", said RIA Novosti Director of the company (member of S7 group) Sergey Sopov.

    Earlier, in an interview with the magazine "Space research and technology", Sopov said that S7 offered the Kazakh side to start the modernization of the launch site of the complex "Baiterek" from the destroyed site of the "Zenith" launch, which will retain the possibility of implementing the project using the rocket "Zenit" to output commercial loads to create a Russian rocket of the middle class of a new generation "Soyuz-5".

    As specified by the head of S7 Space RIA Novosti, the company proposes to continue launching " Zenit "from the existing site at the cosmodrome, and under the new carrier" Soyuz-5", which will appear only by 2022, to restore the destroyed site.

    "Our offer is beneficial to all parties. Russian enterprises producing engines and the third stage for Zenit, and in General about 80% of the components of the carrier, will continue to maintain their industrial capacity and retain personnel before moving to the production of Soyuz-5 missiles. The Kazakh side will be able to earn on the launches of Zenit missiles and keep the specialists of combat calculations, that is, people who are directly preparing the missile and launch complex for the launch," he said.

    According to him, to restore the destroyed site under the rocket "Zenith" would be economically impractical, because it is being developed to replace the "Soyuz-5".

    Earlier it was reported that at present the Ukrainian enterprise "Yuzhmash "is producing 12" Zenith " by order of S7. At the same time, one of the two highly ready missiles is designed for launch from the Baikonur cosmodrome, the second — for launch from the "Sea launch", which is owned by S7.

    At the Baikonur cosmodrome, there is only one operating launch pad for Zenit missiles. The second was destroyed in 1990 by a rocket explosion. That's what it offers to restore S7. Earlier it was reported that the not destroyed, but preserved site will be modernized under the launches of the Soyuz-5 missile currently being developed in Russia.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:36 am


    S7 again. How rich are these guys? Because I am starting to like them a lot... thumbsup

    S7 Space Mulls Restoring Production of Heavy Soviet Rocket Engines in Russia

    https://sputniknews.com/science/201806191065533551-russia-rocket-engines-production-samara/

    Russia's S7 Space, part of the S7 Group, plans to build a plant in Samara to produce Soviet-designed NK-33 and NK-43 rocket engines for super heavy-lift launch vehicles and intends to purchase production capacities from the state-owned United Engine Corporation (UEC) for this purpose, S7 Space General Director Sergey Sopov said in an interview.

    "We would like to buy from the state the well-known engines NK-33 and NK-43, produced earlier by the Samara-based Kuznetsov plant, as well as the documentation, equipment, technical backlog. In general, everything that has survived on this theme from the Soviet program. We intend to restore production and build our own rocket engine plant in Samara[/b]," Sopov said in an interview to be published in the Vedomosti newspaper.

    In April, S7 Space closed a deal to purchase the Sea Launch maritime space launch platform complex in Long Beach, California. It is used to launch Zenit carrier rockets, and in the future, a new Russian Soyuz-5 rocket. The company has repeatedly criticized the Soyuz-5 project for the use of outdated technologies and insisted on the need to develop a reusable carrier. In the next 15 years, S7 Space aims to conduct some 70 launches.
    The company's proposal is being discussed in the government, and S7 Space is also negotiating with the UEC on the issue, he added. The total cost of resuming production of rocket engines is estimated at $300 million, Sopov said.

    "This includes the production of not only NK-33 and NK-43, but also a control system, which we also would like to do on our own," he noted.

    The construction of the plant and the restoration of production will take five to six years, Sopov said. Until the plant's commissioning, it is planned to use 36 NK-33 and NK-43 engines available in storage facilities in order not to wait for new engines.
    "This allows us to begin the flight test program for the new Soyuz-5SL rocket, without waiting for the launch of serial production of the upgraded NK-33 and NK-43," Sopov concluded.

    The engines NK-33 and NK-43 are modernized engines from the Soviet superheavy lunar rocket N-1. At present, they are used as part of the first stage of the Soyuz-2.1v light rocket. The engines were created and are now stored at JSC Kuznetsov (part of the UEC).
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    The former chief designer of the superheavy rocket goes to work for S7 Space

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3735936

    In the near future, the former chief designer of the super-heavy rocket Igor Radugin will come to work in the company S7 Space, where he will take the place of its Deputy General Director Sergei Sopov.

    About this "Kommersant" was told by two sources in the space industry and confirmed by source in the leadership of the state Corporation "Roscosmos".

    "He has been negotiating with S7 co-owners Natalia and Vladislav Filev for the last six months, which ended in success," says one of the industry top managers."In S7 Space, he will be responsible for the development of a reusable launch vehicle, in which the company is extremely interested."...........
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:41 am


    SpaceX drops reusable manned capsule project


    https://sputniknews.com/science/201809111067915188-spacex-reusable-spacecraft-abandoned/

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2018/09/10/spacex-abandons-plan-to-make-astronaut-spacecraft-re-usable-boeing-sticks-with-re-use-plan/amp/


    Apparently landing on ground is too hard for Musky... Honestly I don't get the issue, Boeing doesn't have problems with it and neither does anyone else in the game.
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    Russian hi-tech firms to develop design of new engine for reusable rocket by yearend

    http://tass.com/science/1030067

    ZHUHAI /China/, November 9. /TASS/. Russia’s rocket engine producer Energomash and S7 Space will develop a technical design of an engine for a reusable rocket by the end of the year, Energomash CEO Igor Arbuzov told TASS at the Airshow China exhibition on Friday.

    "We have now set up a joint working group to develop technical specifications for this engine that will be based on the RD-171MV. We will formulate its basic technical characteristics by the end of this year," the chief executive said.

    It is presumed that the new engine should feature the option of its restart as compared to its prototype, Arbuzov said, adding that the number of engines had not been discussed at the talks with S7 Space.

    As S7 Space CEO Sergei Sopov told TASS earlier, RD-171 engines can be used on the first stage of a reusable rocket, which this private company is developing on the basis of the conceptual design of the Soyuz-5 carrier (being developed by Energia Space Rocket Corporation).

    The company has dubbed the new rocket "Soyuz-7" and "Soyuz-7SL" (Sea Launch)
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:22 pm


    S7 Space received a license to develop space technology

    http://s7space.ru/news/s7-space-poluchila-litsenziyu-na-razrabotku-kosmicheskoy-tekhniki/

    OOO "7 Space Transportation System" received the license for carrying out space activities in the creation and modernization of carrier rockets and other launch vehicles, and their parts and components.

    Currently, the company is developing a commercial launch vehicle with reusable elements. This task in LLC S 7 KTS is engaged in team of engineers under the leadership of the Deputy General Director – the chief designer of launch systems Igor Sergeyevich Radugin.

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