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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:13 pm

    Are there any figures around for the number of ISIS in Syria or even a total in Syria/Iraq?

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:15 pm

    Interesting detail, the SAA is heading north as well as south and south east, south of Raqqa.
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    Syrian Civil War Map‏ @CivilWarMap 35m35 minutes ago

    - Bi'r Shuwayhan and Bi’r Sumayhan are under Syrian Arab Army control

    - Shuwayhan is under SDF control



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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:19 pm

    Maenwhile, steady progress in Raqqa by the SDF

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:11 pm

    Talking about manpower and pockets I am surprised that the Beit Jinn pocket hasn't been liberated yet it could be a quick win and free up manpower for another front.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:18 pm

    Interesting if true, assume from the south.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  franco on Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:51 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Talking about manpower and pockets I am surprised that the Beit Jinn pocket hasn't been liberated yet it could be a quick win and free up manpower for another front.

    1 - Most of the SAA and the NDF are only capable of defensive operations (holding the line).
    2 - Those capable of offensive operations are needed elsewhere (stretched)
    3 - Beit Jinn is under a truce of sorts. They ain't going anywhere and have limited threat potential.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  eehnie on Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:19 pm

    franco wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Talking about manpower and pockets I am surprised that the Beit Jinn pocket hasn't been liberated yet it could be a quick win and free up manpower for another front.

    1 - Most of the SAA and the NDF are only capable of defensive operations (holding the line).
    2 - Those capable of offensive operations are needed elsewhere (stretched)
    3 - Beit Jinn is under a truce of sorts. They ain't going anywhere and have limited threat potential.

    Most of the sources put the rebel territory of Belt Jinn reaching the border with the occupied Golan. If this is the situation, this would not be a real isolated pocket.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  par far on Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:32 pm

    Written by Pepe Escobar.

    "THE NEW SILK ROAD WILL GO THROUGH SYRIA."

    "A possible scenario out of what Putin and Trump negotiated in Hamburg – that was not relayed by either Lavrov or Tillerson – is that the ceasefire in southwestern Syria, assuming it holds, could mean US peacekeeping forces in effect sanctioning the creation of a demilitarized zone (DMZ) between the Syrian Golan and the rest of the country.

    Translation: the Golan de facto annexed by Israel. And the “carrot” for Moscow would be Washington accepting Crimea de facto re-incorporated into the Russian Federation."


    This is fucked up, the Jews get the Golan Heights and protection from the US assholes, really hope the Jews get their ass kicked by Hezbollah.

    https://southfront.org/new-silk-road-will-go-syria/

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:51 pm

    par far wrote:Written by Pepe Escobar.

    "THE NEW SILK ROAD WILL GO THROUGH SYRIA."

    "A possible scenario out of what Putin and Trump negotiated in Hamburg – that was not relayed by either Lavrov or Tillerson – is that the ceasefire in southwestern Syria, assuming it holds, could mean US peacekeeping forces in effect sanctioning the creation of a demilitarized zone (DMZ) between the Syrian Golan and the rest of the country.

    Translation: the Golan de facto annexed by Israel. And the “carrot” for Moscow would be Washington accepting Crimea de facto re-incorporated into the Russian Federation."


    This is fucked up, the Jews get the Golan Heights and protection from the US assholes, really hope the Jews get their ass kicked by Hezbollah.

    https://southfront.org/new-silk-road-will-go-syria/


    South Syria is irelevant for Russia.

    If Russia gets to keep Syrian coast, reach DeZ, gets officiall rubber stamp on Crimea and demilitarized and decentralized Ukraine out of the deal then this whole Syrian​ expedition will pay itself off thousandfold. russia

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    Post  par far on Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:55 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:Written by Pepe Escobar.

    "THE NEW SILK ROAD WILL GO THROUGH SYRIA."

    "A possible scenario out of what Putin and Trump negotiated in Hamburg – that was not relayed by either Lavrov or Tillerson – is that the ceasefire in southwestern Syria, assuming it holds, could mean US peacekeeping forces in effect sanctioning the creation of a demilitarized zone (DMZ) between the Syrian Golan and the rest of the country.

    Translation: the Golan de facto annexed by Israel. And the “carrot” for Moscow would be Washington accepting Crimea de facto re-incorporated into the Russian Federation."


    This is fucked up, the Jews get the Golan Heights and protection from the US assholes, really hope the Jews get their ass kicked by Hezbollah.

    https://southfront.org/new-silk-road-will-go-syria/


    South Syria is irelevant for Russia.

    If Russia gets to keep Syrian coast, reach DeZ, gets officiall rubber stamp on Crimea and demilitarized and decentralized Ukraine out of the deal then this whole Syrian​ expedition will pay itself off thousandfold. russia


    You are right about that if Russia get's all those things you mentioned, than it is good for Russia. The thing that that pisses me off is that the asshole Jews will get to keep Golan Heights and get protection, after all all the misery they caused.

    Iran may not like this too much but they do get ground access to Syria and Lebanon(Hezbollah) through Iraq, Iran will also make a crap ton of money through the Silk Road, Iran get's to keep friendly government's in Syria and to a lesser degree in Iraq, Iran get more influence in Iraq, Syria and the middle East, Iran had the sanctions lifted off them and this is all mostly thanks to Russia, so they will need to give Russia something in return. This situation that Pepe Escobar is describing does sting because I am Pro Iranian but Iran got all those things, I think Russia will tell Iran that they will help Iran build "The Trans-Iranian Canal" that Iran wants so badly and this will also help Russia, it will significantly cut down on the time for the the Russian ships entering the Persian Gulf,  Strait of Hormuz, Gulf of Oman and the Indian Ocean.

    The other good thing out of this is that the Saudis get nothing and the asshole backstabbing Kurds get thrown to the wolves.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:29 pm

    @ 3 - Beit Jinn is under a truce of sorts. They ain't going anywhere and have limited threat potential.
    I never said it was a threat more of a chance to free up much needed manpower this was the aim. The rebels love these pockets as it stretches the SAA. Also on subject of it being a pocket or not I can't confirm to many different sources saying various things but either way taking it out would still free up much needed troops the amount of troops to guard the Golan height border here would be small
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:00 pm

    par far wrote:..................
    Iran may not like this too much but they do get ground access to Syria and Lebanon(Hezbollah) through Iraq, Iran will also make a crap ton of money through the Silk Road, Iran get's to keep friendly government's in Syria and to a lesser degree in Iraq, Iran get more influence in Iraq, Syria and the middle East, Iran had the sanctions lifted off them and this is all mostly thanks to Russia, so they will need to give Russia something in return. This situation that Pepe Escobar is describing does sting because I am Pro Iranian but Iran got all those things, I think Russia will tell Iran that they will help Iran build "The Trans-Iranian Canal" that Iran wants so badly and this will also help Russia, it will significantly cut down on the time for the the Russian ships entering the Persian Gulf,  Strait of Hormuz, Gulf of Oman and the Indian Ocean.

    The other good thing out of this is that the Saudis get nothing and the asshole backstabbing Kurds get thrown to the wolves.

    Iran's issue is that it's constantly hitting it's head against the wall instead of trying to bypass it and look for alternate approach to solving problems like Russia does.

    Recent events at Al-Tanf and Iraqi border are perfect metaphor.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  par far on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:03 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:..................
    Iran may not like this too much but they do get ground access to Syria and Lebanon(Hezbollah) through Iraq, Iran will also make a crap ton of money through the Silk Road, Iran get's to keep friendly government's in Syria and to a lesser degree in Iraq, Iran get more influence in Iraq, Syria and the middle East, Iran had the sanctions lifted off them and this is all mostly thanks to Russia, so they will need to give Russia something in return. This situation that Pepe Escobar is describing does sting because I am Pro Iranian but Iran got all those things, I think Russia will tell Iran that they will help Iran build "The Trans-Iranian Canal" that Iran wants so badly and this will also help Russia, it will significantly cut down on the time for the the Russian ships entering the Persian Gulf,  Strait of Hormuz, Gulf of Oman and the Indian Ocean.

    The other good thing out of this is that the Saudis get nothing and the asshole backstabbing Kurds get thrown to the wolves.

    Iran's issue is that it's constantly hitting it's head against the wall instead of trying to bypass it and look for alternate approach to solving problems like Russia does.

    Recent events at Al-Tanf and Iraqi border are perfect metaphor.


    Iran does not have the pull that Russia has, Russia can bypass them because they have more bullets in the chamber.


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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  par far on Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:46 pm

    "HORRIFYING VIDEO SHOWS EXECUTION OF UNARMED MAN BY US-BACKED FORCES IN RAQQA."

    The Kurds kill a unarmed civilian, I just hope and pray that the Kurds are thrown to the wolves and these Kurdish motherfuckers are killed in the same way as the unarmed civilian.

    https://southfront.org/horrifying-video-shows-execution-unarmed-man-us-backed-forces-raqqa/

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    "SYRIAN ARMY, ALLIES CAPTURED 4 OIL FIELDS IN RAQQA COUNTRYSIDE."



    https://southfront.org/syrian-army-allies-captured-4-oil-fields-in-raqqa-countryside/

    Wonder what this is all about:

    "Several pro-government sources confirmed the withdrawal of the Desert Hawks Brigade from the eastern Hama countryside due to coordination problems and slow operations in the area. Another reason was the SAA’s decision to change its offensive plan. According to local sources, the Desert Hawks Brigade will soon participate in another operation against ISIS."



    "MILITANTS BLAME SYRIAN GOVERNMENT FOR ANOTHER ‘CHEMICAL ATTACK’ AMID SETBACKS IN DAMASCUS COUNTRYSIDE." Pictures and Video's.

    https://southfront.org/militants-blame-syrian-government-another-chemical-attack-damascus-countryside/
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:59 pm

    In short SAA command has realized they cannot seize Hama area from ISIs via front line assault without redeploying a large number of men, So they are focusing on the Raf road, hoping to choke ISIS out that way

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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:07 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:In short SAA command has realized they cannot seize Hama area from ISIs via front line assault without redeploying a large number of men, So they are focusing on the Raf road, hoping to choke ISIS out that way

    Seems a logical strategy given what they have to work with.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:08 am

    Really big article on the the impact of 'Kurdistan within Syria' might have.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2017/07/u-s-bases-strategically-placed-to-prevent-syrian-military-from-gaining-ground-outlining-borders-of-kurdistan.html

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    Post  par far on Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:34 am

    JohninMK wrote:Really big article on the the impact of 'Kurdistan within Syria' might have.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2017/07/u-s-bases-strategically-placed-to-prevent-syrian-military-from-gaining-ground-outlining-borders-of-kurdistan.html


    Very good article, we already knew most of what is in the article but still a very good read. How does Russia deal withUS bases?
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:40 am

    par far wrote:Very good article, we already knew most of what is in the article but still a very good read. How does Russia deal withUS bases?

    I don't think what the US is doing in Syria is sustainable...neither Turkey, Iraq, Iran or Syria will accept a Kurdish state.

    Also, the central Syrian government will likely be getting stronger both militarily and economicaly  if reports of major Chinese economic investment are true....that doesn't fit well with plans to break up Syria
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:48 am

    I am curious what Russia's major investments in Syria will be? China has done 0 lifting in this whole thing. Russia should be getting all contracts.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  Benya on Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:00 am

    MILITANT CIVIL WAR: AHRAR AL-SHAM CLASHING WITH HAYAT TAHRIR AL-SHAM IN IDLIB PROVINCE


    Clashes have erupted between fighters of Ahrar al-Sham and Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) in the village of Tal Toukan east of Idlib city. According to local sources, the clashes led to the wounding of a number of civilians. Opposition sources confirmed that HTS captured the village.

    It’s believed that the clashes started because of a dispute between Ahrar al-Sham and HTS on the funds of electricity services in the province of Idlib.

    According to HTS, Ahrar al-Sham asked for support and set up checkpoints on the Sarakib-abu al Zohor road. HTS also argued that Ahrar Sham attacked its positions on the frontline with Syrian goovernment forces in the village of Abu Ruwail in the southern Aleppo countryside.

    According to opposition sources, the clashes ended with the agreement to solve the problem in a joint Sharia Court. Ahrar al-Sham issued an official statement confirming its commitment to the Sharia Court and peaceful solutions with HTS. However, it also confirmed that it’s ready to fight HTS if it continued its attacks in Idlib.


    HTS is considered the largest force in the province of Idlib currently, especially since Ahrar al-Sham had lost most of its fighters and equipment in the battle of Aleppo, which reduced its influence in the province of Idlib significantly.

    Source: Arrow https://southfront.org/militant-civil-war-ahrar-al-sham-clashing-with-hayat-tahrir-al-sham-in-idlib-province/



    Well, as the saying goes: "When two fights, the third wins", and if they will keep killing each other, that third will be SAA.
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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:23 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I am curious what Russia's major investments in Syria will be? China has done 0 lifting in this whole thing.  Russia should be getting all contracts.

    They will. This is still Middle East and Syria will need someone to cover their asses for decades to come.

    Oil, gas, minerals, infrastructure and all the good stuff goes to Russia. And like I said, they already own the coast.

    Should Syria try to get financially "creative", well like I said, this is Middle East


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    JohninMK wrote:Really big article on the the impact of 'Kurdistan within Syria' might have.....

    Very good article, we already knew most of what is in the article but still a very good read. How does Russia deal withUS bases?

    Russia doesn't have to deal with them at all as long SAA  reaches DeZ. US bases in Kurdish regions will have no significant effect on Russian interests.

    As for Kurds they will be handled down the road by Turks, Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis, Hezbollah, FSA, ES and all those other parties who are so into Kurds...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:57 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I am curious what Russia's major investments in Syria will be? China has done 0 lifting in this whole thing.  Russia should be getting all contracts.

    They will. This is still Middle East and Syria will need someone to cover their asses for decades to come.

    Oil, gas, minerals, infrastructure and all the good stuff goes to Russia. And like I said, they already own the coast.

    Should Syria try to get financially "creative", well like I said, this is Middle East


    par far wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Really big article on the the impact of 'Kurdistan within Syria' might have.....

    Very good article, we already knew most of what is in the article but still a very good read. How does Russia deal withUS bases?

    Russia doesn't have to deal with them at all as long SAA  reaches DeZ. US bases in Kurdish regions will have no significant effect on Russian interests.

    As for Kurds they will be handled down the road by Turks, Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis, Hezbollah, FSA, ES and all those other parties who are so into Kurds...

    this is prime opportunity for Russia to build plants in Syria that assemble Russian agriculture and vehicles as that will guarantee large amount of income. Same with production of some kind of military tech too.

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    Re: Syrian Civil War: News #14

    Post  par far on Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I am curious what Russia's major investments in Syria will be? China has done 0 lifting in this whole thing.  Russia should be getting all contracts.

    They will. This is still Middle East and Syria will need someone to cover their asses for decades to come.

    Oil, gas, minerals, infrastructure and all the good stuff goes to Russia. And like I said, they already own the coast.

    Should Syria try to get financially "creative", well like I said, this is Middle East


    par far wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Really big article on the the impact of 'Kurdistan within Syria' might have.....

    Very good article, we already knew most of what is in the article but still a very good read. How does Russia deal withUS bases?

    Russia doesn't have to deal with them at all as long SAA  reaches DeZ. US bases in Kurdish regions will have no significant effect on Russian interests.

    As for Kurds they will be handled down the road by Turks, Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis, Hezbollah, FSA, ES and all those other parties who are so into Kurds...



    I really really really hope you are right about this, I really hope the Kurds get thrown to the wolves.

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