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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:20 am

    Both countries have a shared history of being dominated by the British, yet together they could be far more powerful than Britain ever was... not in the sense of doing what Britain did, which was resource focused, but in terms of improving the situation of the common man in both countries.

    Both have very large populations and a serious risk of poor getting poorer and rich getting super rich.

    Perhaps they could create shared goals of reducing poverty and helping the poor to help themselves through low interest loans and education and healthcare.


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    Post  Mike E on Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:Both countries have a shared history of being dominated by the British, yet together they could be far more powerful than Britain ever was... not in the sense of doing what Britain did, which was resource focused, but in terms of improving the situation of the common man in both countries.

    Both have very large populations and a serious risk of poor getting poorer and rich getting super rich.

    Perhaps they could create shared goals of reducing poverty and helping the poor to help themselves through low interest loans and education and healthcare.
    Shared goals would be a start...
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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:39 am

    India Pushes For Faster Border Rapprochement with China

    India is aggressively pursuing a resolution of the border conflict with China. In fact, in a strategic shift India conveyed to China recently that solving the border problem is a priority to maintain cordial and smooth relations between the two countries.

    Indian National Security Advisor Ajit Doval held the 19th round of Border Talks with his Chinese counterpart Yang Jiechi, Chinese State Councilor in China.

    After the talks, both sides agreed to adhere to peaceful negotiations to settle boundary questions and to make efforts to reach a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable solution.

    For the first time, India is putting more much effort to solve the border issue with China. Earlier the Indian establishment was banking on the strategy that the border problems would be solved over time, improving along with economic and political relations with China, according to sources in the Defense Ministry.

    Hence, National Security Adviser Ajit Doval's recent visit to China was very important in the sense that it marked a paradigm shift in India's strategy towards China.

    According to the top sources in the Defense Ministry, during his meetings with his Chinese counterpart Ajit Doval conveyed that peace and tranquility along the border was a prerequisite to maintain a smooth and cordial relationship between the two countries. Frequent transgressions along the border would be a deterrent and in the long run would also impact bilateral, economic and political relations. India has also stressed that until the border problem was finalized both sides should maintain the status-quo.

    In fact, India wants to speed up the process of the "Special Representative Talks" to reach an amicable solution to the border problem. The last 18 rounds of talks between the Special Representatives of both countries have not been particularly fruitful hence, India wants the border talks to become more focused and move in the direction of finding a solution to the boundary problem.

    However, security experts do not sound very optimistic with China's approach and asserted that China is still sticking to its old strategy despite India's proactive approach.

    "The first thing is that China has said that it has no border with India in Jammu and Kashmir. This means they still treat the area of Aksai Chin as disputed territory. There is no change in Chinese policy, they don't want to disturb the peace and tranquility of the border but simultaneously they will keep showing their assertiveness along the border," Major Gen (Rtd) Afsir Karim told Sputnik.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160421/1038403932/india-border-rapprochement-china.html#ixzz46XT5aP8Z


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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:33 am

    India Moves Nearly One Hundred Tanks, Troops to Chinese Border

    With tensions rising between China and India, New Delhi has deployed nearly 100 tanks to its eastern border.

    The mountainous region of Ladakh, in northern India, lies in a tense location between disputed Kashmir and Tibet. In an effort to boost its military presence in the area, the Indian military has sent Russian-made T-72 tanks to Ladakh’s Chinese border.

    "The vast flat valleys along the mountain ranges allow for armored movement; besides, there has been an increase in the force levels across the border," an unnamed military official told NDTV.

    The tanks have undergone significant upgrades to be better outfitted for the region’s climate.

    "We have procured special additives and lubricants for high-altitude terrain such as winter-grade diesel and additives for the lubrication system, which prevents it from freezing in the tank," Colonel Vijay Dalal told The Hindu.

    This marks the third regiment placed in Ladakh by India since 2014.

    Tensions between the neighbors have been building recently. Earlier this month, the Indian Navy deployed three ships to the South China Sea.

    "The visiting ships are also likely to conduct exercises with the Royal Malaysian Navy aimed at enhancing interoperability in communication as well as Search and Rescue procedures," said a statement issued by India’s Defense Ministry.

    Malaysia is currently at odds with China over territorial claims in the waterway.

    Beijing and New Delhi are also competing over Nepal. While Nepalese Prime Minister Khadga Prasad Sharma Oli has expressed an interest in working more closely with the Chinese government, India is unlikely to surrender its own influence over Kathmandu.

    http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160721/1043371135/india-china-ladakh-tanks.html


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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:51 am

    i think India plays the China card because Pakistan rapprochement with Russia

    China and India have announced they are to deepen their military-to-military ties after holding their first-ever joint tactical exercises earlier this year. This comes despite growing political tension between Beijing and New Delhi over border incursions across the India-China border.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610111046225574-china-india-military-ties/


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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:56 pm

    i think India plays the China card because Pakistan rapprochement with Russia

    Would not be totally rational... India creating closer ties with China in response with closer ties between Russia and Pakistan... Pakistan buys what it can't buy from Russia or the US from ...China.

    China and India are neighbours... having joint exercises is a good thing no matter what policies Russia follows with China or Pakistan.


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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:09 am




    China admonishes the U.S. for visit to disputed India-China border

    BEIJING (Reuters) - China admonished the United States on Monday for sending its ambassador in India to a contested stretch of land on the India-China border, warning that a third party's meddling would only complicate the dispute between Beijing and New Delhi.

    China claims more than 90,000 sq km (35,000 sq miles) of territory disputed by India in the eastern sector of the Himalayas. Much of that forms the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which China calls South Tibet.

    U.S. Ambassador to India Richard Verma posted photos on his Twitter account on Oct. 21 of his recent trip to Arunachal Pradesh, thanking Indian officials for their "warm hospitality" and calling the region a "magical place".
    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said China was "firmly opposed" to the U.S. diplomat's actions, which he said would "damage the hard-earned peace and tranquillity of the China-India border region".

    "Any responsible third party should respect efforts by China and India to seek peaceful and stable reconciliation, and not the opposite," Lu told a regular press briefing.
    "We urge the United States to stop getting involved in the China-India territorial dispute and do more to benefit this region's peace and tranquillity," he said, adding that China and India were handling the matter appropriately through talks.

    India's Ministry of External Affairs described Verma's visit as "nothing unusual".
    "The U.S. Ambassador visited Arunachal Pradesh, a state which is an integral part of the country to which he is accredited," MEA spokesman Vikas Swarup said in response to the Chinese statement.

    No comment was available from the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi.
    Disagreement between nuclear-armed China and India over parts of their 3,500-km (2,175-mile) border led to a brief war in 1962. The countries have moved to control the dispute, but repeated rounds of talks have failed to make much progress.
    India says China occupies 38,000 square km (14,600 sq miles) of its territory on the Aksai Chin plateau in the west, and is also suspicious of China's support for its arch-rival, Pakistan.

    Tensions occasionally flare over the disputed border. In August, China was angered by India's plans to place advanced cruise missiles there.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-admonishes-u-visit-disputed-india-china-border-091424330.html


    Typical US sticking its nose in places it shouldn't be Rolling Eyes
    USA will exploit whatever friction there is among BRICS countries to weaken any competitors to American global hegemony.
    The only solution to put a stop to all this as I have been saying a long time ago is a total catastrophic collapse of the American economy. Both Russia, China and all other concerned parties should work together to achieve this.
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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:14 pm

    It seems China has gained influence in all neighbor states that were friendly to India

    Bhutan has put a hurdle in India’s ambitious road connectivity plan involving Bangladesh, Bhutan, India and Nepal after its Parliament failed to ratify the necessary legislation. Analysts detect Chinese hand in persuading the legislators to withhold approval.
    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201611181047580049-china-india-regional-connectivity/


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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:51 pm

    India, China in Indian Ocean Tug of War?

    The Indian Ocean is no longer an idyllic commons as both India and China are stepping up naval activity. For India, three regional hotspots are of concern because of increasing Chinese naval interest.

    New Delhi (Sputnik) — India trying to aggressively safeguard its interests in the wake of a spurt in Chinese naval activity in the eastern Indian Ocean which it considers as its backyard.

    According to a top official in the Ministry of External Affairs, India-Sri Lanka relations were crucial for India to make its presence strongly felt in the Indian Ocean. India was initially optimistic of Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena's support but the recent signals from Colombo have dampened its optimism in this respect.
    Sri Lanka's inclination towards China despite Srisena's initial announcements of scrapping some major deals with Beijing is a major concern for India.

    India has another area of concern about 3,000 kms north of Colombo. This is the Gwadar port in Pakistan that is turning into a hub for passing Chinese Navy ships. China also plans to deploy warships to safeguard the Gwadar port, a warm water gateway to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

    The two spheres of Chinese naval activity in its neighbourhood has compelled the Indian Navy to closely monitor the activity around Gwadar port.

    The third regional naval hotspot for India is Bangladesh after Dhaka agreed to buy two submarines from China.


    "The security situation in the Indian Ocean region so fragile that India has to adopt the policy of "prepare for war and plan to conquer" rather than "prepare for war but hope for peace". India is adopting the strategy of projection of power in the region. Considering the geo-political environment in the Indian Ocean region, India will have to implement its strategy without any support as several of its Indian Ocean allies are hobnobbing with China," former Indian diplomat, Yogendra Kumar who had served in Philippines and Central Asian countries, told Sputnik.

    He further added that, "there are reports of Sri Lanka's plans to sell a major stake in Hambantota port to China. This is really a concern for India. Clearly, China is stepping up its operations in the Indian Ocean which will have greater ramifications." Therefore, India has adopted a two pronged strategy. First is to keep a close eye on Chinese naval activity in eastern Indian Ocean and second, to aggressively push for dominance in the region.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612091048361903-war-india-china-ocean/


    So chinese navy has presence all around India, Pakistan-Bangladesh-Sri Lanca


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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:50 am

    India Keeping Close Watch on Nepal-China Military Drill

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612271049039233-india-nepal-china-drills/


    India has agreed to cut the import duty on goods from China but insists on better deal in services.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612271049037960-india-china-trade-pact/


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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:12 pm

    India steps up supply of military equipment to Myanmar to counter China

    Steadily cranking up military ties with Myanmar as part of the overall policy to counter China’s strategic inroads in the region, India is now also going to export lightweight torpedoes to the country.

    India is already providing rocket launchers, mortars, rifles, radars, night-vision devices, Gypsies, bailey bridges, communication and Inmarsat sets as well as road construction equipment like dozers, tippers and soil compacters to the Myanmarese armed forces.

    The export documents for the $37.9 million deal with Myanmar for the indigenously developed torpedoes, in turn, were presented to finance-cum-defence minister Arun Jaitley at function here on Friday.

    The function, which included the presentation of the annual DRDO excellence awards, also saw Jaitley hand over three indigenously-developed products – USHUS-2 submarine sonar suite, directing gear and inertial navigation system for warships – to Navy chief Admiral Sunil Lanba.

    DRDO chief S Christopher said the export of the light-weight torpedoes, which have been developed by his organization and are produced by defence PSU Bharat Dynamics and engineering giant L&T, would follow the earlier supply of naval sonars, acoustic domes and directing gear to Myanmar.

    Indian Army, on its part, is also stepping-up coordinated patrolling with Myanmarese forces along the porous 1,643-km bilateral land border to turn the heat on Indian insurgent groups operating in the region.

    India is keen that Myanmar undertake sustained operations against militant groups like the NSCN (Khaplang), ULFA, United National Liberation Front (UNLF), People’s Liberation Army (PLA), Kannglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL) and Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP), who for long have had bases in the thick jungles along the international border.

    In June 2015, Indian para-commandos had conducted a “successful” cross-border raid against two insurgent camps inside Myanmar after 18 Indian soldiers were killed in an ambush in the Chandel district of Manipur.

    http://www.dailydefencenews.com/india-steps-supply-military-equipment-myanmar-counter-china/


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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  George1 on Mon May 15, 2017 8:24 am

    The government of Sri Lanka refused the Chinese submarine at the call in Colombo

    As reported by the French resource "opex360.com" in the material "Le Sri Lanka a refusé une escale à un sous-marin chinois", during the stay of the Sri Lankan President Mahind Rajapaksa in 2010-2015, China has twice surpassed Japan in terms of investment in Sri Lanka - Lanka. This was achieved through the allocation of $ 5 billion for several infrastructure projects, primarily for the reconstruction of ports, as well as the issuance of loans, interest on which some considered too high.

    Within the framework of his project "One belt, one road" and its marine component, also called the "Pearl Necklace Strategy", Beijing believes that its geographical position of Sri Lanka is strategic for its interests. After all, the former Ceylon is located at the intersection of sea trade routes through which oil is supplied to China. From this follows the policy towards Colombo, to which the Indian rival is very tense.

    But after the election in May 2015 of the President of Sri Lanka Maytripal Sirizen, the situation changed, as the new president began to establish ties that would help bring his country closer to India, primarily by reducing Chinese influence.

    In November 2014, New Delhi expressed its concern after the Chinese nuclear submarine Changzheng-2 (project 091) and the warship entered the port of Sri Lanka. It is worth recalling that India and Sri Lanka were bound by the 1987 treaty, which noted that their territory could not be used for purposes that could lead to the disintegration of countries and the deterioration of their security.

    Then the spokesman of the Sri Lanka Navy, Kosala Varnakulasariya, tried to reduce the scale of the fact that Chinese ships entered the ports of Lanka, saying that "since 2010, 230 warships from various countries have visited Colombo for replenishment and courtesy visits."

    But what could not create problems two years ago, today it looks different. On May 11, 2017, it became known that the Sri Lankan authorities had refused another Chinese submarine to enter Colombo without specifying the reasons. "This is a very sensitive topic," said a representative of the Ministry of Defense of Sri Lanka.

    The decision to refuse entry to the port was taken at a time when Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was to visit Sri Lanka to participate in religious ceremonies. A priori, these two events are not connected, since the Chinese submarine was due to arrive in Colombo a week later. In response, on May 14 and 15, Beijing will host the heads of state and government to present its "New Silk Road" program.

    According to reports in the Indian media, the Chinese submarine is diesel-electric and refers to project 039B. She was spotted on April 20 by the Indian base patrol aircraft Boeing P-8I Poseidon at the passage of the Malacca Strait. Due to the impossibility of calling at Colombo, the boat was forced to head to the Pakistani port of Gwadar.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2608697.html


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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:13 am

    Confrontation of India and China around the plateau

    As reported by the Kommersant newspaper in an article by Mikhail Korostikov, "India and China are on the border of the war, the forces of the BRICS and SCO partners have converged on the disputed plateau in the Himalayas," representatives of India and China will try to stop the growing conflict on the BRICS site in Beijing on July 28, In the Himalayas, which has already taken on menacing forms. On the eve of the Ministry of Defense, the PRC actually threatened the neighbor with war, urging the Indian military to stop obstructing the construction of the Chinese road on the disputed section of the Butane-Chinese border. Beijing and New Delhi are not only members of the BRICS, but since June this year they are also partners in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). However, to reduce tension this does not help. At the head of both countries are strong leaders who, for the sake of protecting their national interests, are ready to go further than their predecessors.



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    Re: Sino-India Relations

    Post  franco on Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:20 pm

    Apparently the Chinese and Indian Forces got into a little fisticuffs and rock throwing at their border the other day.

    https://theprint.in/2017/08/19/visuals-show-india-china-clash-at-ladakh-was-serious-troops-injured/amp/

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