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    Indo-China dispute

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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:51 am

    i think India plays the China card because Pakistan rapprochement with Russia

    China and India have announced they are to deepen their military-to-military ties after holding their first-ever joint tactical exercises earlier this year. This comes despite growing political tension between Beijing and New Delhi over border incursions across the India-China border.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610111046225574-china-india-military-ties/
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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:56 pm

    i think India plays the China card because Pakistan rapprochement with Russia

    Would not be totally rational... India creating closer ties with China in response with closer ties between Russia and Pakistan... Pakistan buys what it can't buy from Russia or the US from ...China.

    China and India are neighbours... having joint exercises is a good thing no matter what policies Russia follows with China or Pakistan.
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    Post  Project Canada Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:09 am




    China admonishes the U.S. for visit to disputed India-China border

    BEIJING (Reuters) - China admonished the United States on Monday for sending its ambassador in India to a contested stretch of land on the India-China border, warning that a third party's meddling would only complicate the dispute between Beijing and New Delhi.

    China claims more than 90,000 sq km (35,000 sq miles) of territory disputed by India in the eastern sector of the Himalayas. Much of that forms the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which China calls South Tibet.

    U.S. Ambassador to India Richard Verma posted photos on his Twitter account on Oct. 21 of his recent trip to Arunachal Pradesh, thanking Indian officials for their "warm hospitality" and calling the region a "magical place".
    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang said China was "firmly opposed" to the U.S. diplomat's actions, which he said would "damage the hard-earned peace and tranquillity of the China-India border region".

    "Any responsible third party should respect efforts by China and India to seek peaceful and stable reconciliation, and not the opposite," Lu told a regular press briefing.
    "We urge the United States to stop getting involved in the China-India territorial dispute and do more to benefit this region's peace and tranquillity," he said, adding that China and India were handling the matter appropriately through talks.

    India's Ministry of External Affairs described Verma's visit as "nothing unusual".
    "The U.S. Ambassador visited Arunachal Pradesh, a state which is an integral part of the country to which he is accredited," MEA spokesman Vikas Swarup said in response to the Chinese statement.

    No comment was available from the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi.
    Disagreement between nuclear-armed China and India over parts of their 3,500-km (2,175-mile) border led to a brief war in 1962. The countries have moved to control the dispute, but repeated rounds of talks have failed to make much progress.
    India says China occupies 38,000 square km (14,600 sq miles) of its territory on the Aksai Chin plateau in the west, and is also suspicious of China's support for its arch-rival, Pakistan.

    Tensions occasionally flare over the disputed border. In August, China was angered by India's plans to place advanced cruise missiles there.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-admonishes-u-visit-disputed-india-china-border-091424330.html


    Typical US sticking its nose in places it shouldn't be Rolling Eyes
    USA will exploit whatever friction there is among BRICS countries to weaken any competitors to American global hegemony.
    The only solution to put a stop to all this as I have been saying a long time ago is a total catastrophic collapse of the American economy. Both Russia, China and all other concerned parties should work together to achieve this.
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    Post  George1 Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:14 pm

    It seems China has gained influence in all neighbor states that were friendly to India

    Bhutan has put a hurdle in India’s ambitious road connectivity plan involving Bangladesh, Bhutan, India and Nepal after its Parliament failed to ratify the necessary legislation. Analysts detect Chinese hand in persuading the legislators to withhold approval.
    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201611181047580049-china-india-regional-connectivity/
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    Post  George1 Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:51 pm

    India, China in Indian Ocean Tug of War?

    The Indian Ocean is no longer an idyllic commons as both India and China are stepping up naval activity. For India, three regional hotspots are of concern because of increasing Chinese naval interest.

    New Delhi (Sputnik) — India trying to aggressively safeguard its interests in the wake of a spurt in Chinese naval activity in the eastern Indian Ocean which it considers as its backyard.

    According to a top official in the Ministry of External Affairs, India-Sri Lanka relations were crucial for India to make its presence strongly felt in the Indian Ocean. India was initially optimistic of Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena's support but the recent signals from Colombo have dampened its optimism in this respect.
    Sri Lanka's inclination towards China despite Srisena's initial announcements of scrapping some major deals with Beijing is a major concern for India.

    India has another area of concern about 3,000 kms north of Colombo. This is the Gwadar port in Pakistan that is turning into a hub for passing Chinese Navy ships. China also plans to deploy warships to safeguard the Gwadar port, a warm water gateway to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

    The two spheres of Chinese naval activity in its neighbourhood has compelled the Indian Navy to closely monitor the activity around Gwadar port.

    The third regional naval hotspot for India is Bangladesh after Dhaka agreed to buy two submarines from China.


    "The security situation in the Indian Ocean region so fragile that India has to adopt the policy of "prepare for war and plan to conquer" rather than "prepare for war but hope for peace". India is adopting the strategy of projection of power in the region. Considering the geo-political environment in the Indian Ocean region, India will have to implement its strategy without any support as several of its Indian Ocean allies are hobnobbing with China," former Indian diplomat, Yogendra Kumar who had served in Philippines and Central Asian countries, told Sputnik.

    He further added that, "there are reports of Sri Lanka's plans to sell a major stake in Hambantota port to China. This is really a concern for India. Clearly, China is stepping up its operations in the Indian Ocean which will have greater ramifications." Therefore, India has adopted a two pronged strategy. First is to keep a close eye on Chinese naval activity in eastern Indian Ocean and second, to aggressively push for dominance in the region.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612091048361903-war-india-china-ocean/


    So chinese navy has presence all around India, Pakistan-Bangladesh-Sri Lanca
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    Post  George1 Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:50 am

    India Keeping Close Watch on Nepal-China Military Drill

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612271049039233-india-nepal-china-drills/


    India has agreed to cut the import duty on goods from China but insists on better deal in services.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201612271049037960-india-china-trade-pact/
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    Post  George1 Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:12 pm

    India steps up supply of military equipment to Myanmar to counter China

    Steadily cranking up military ties with Myanmar as part of the overall policy to counter China’s strategic inroads in the region, India is now also going to export lightweight torpedoes to the country.

    India is already providing rocket launchers, mortars, rifles, radars, night-vision devices, Gypsies, bailey bridges, communication and Inmarsat sets as well as road construction equipment like dozers, tippers and soil compacters to the Myanmarese armed forces.

    The export documents for the $37.9 million deal with Myanmar for the indigenously developed torpedoes, in turn, were presented to finance-cum-defence minister Arun Jaitley at function here on Friday.

    The function, which included the presentation of the annual DRDO excellence awards, also saw Jaitley hand over three indigenously-developed products – USHUS-2 submarine sonar suite, directing gear and inertial navigation system for warships – to Navy chief Admiral Sunil Lanba.

    DRDO chief S Christopher said the export of the light-weight torpedoes, which have been developed by his organization and are produced by defence PSU Bharat Dynamics and engineering giant L&T, would follow the earlier supply of naval sonars, acoustic domes and directing gear to Myanmar.

    Indian Army, on its part, is also stepping-up coordinated patrolling with Myanmarese forces along the porous 1,643-km bilateral land border to turn the heat on Indian insurgent groups operating in the region.

    India is keen that Myanmar undertake sustained operations against militant groups like the NSCN (Khaplang), ULFA, United National Liberation Front (UNLF), People’s Liberation Army (PLA), Kannglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL) and Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP), who for long have had bases in the thick jungles along the international border.

    In June 2015, Indian para-commandos had conducted a “successful” cross-border raid against two insurgent camps inside Myanmar after 18 Indian soldiers were killed in an ambush in the Chandel district of Manipur.

    http://www.dailydefencenews.com/india-steps-supply-military-equipment-myanmar-counter-china/
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    Post  George1 Mon May 15, 2017 8:24 am

    The government of Sri Lanka refused the Chinese submarine at the call in Colombo

    As reported by the French resource "opex360.com" in the material "Le Sri Lanka a refusé une escale à un sous-marin chinois", during the stay of the Sri Lankan President Mahind Rajapaksa in 2010-2015, China has twice surpassed Japan in terms of investment in Sri Lanka - Lanka. This was achieved through the allocation of $ 5 billion for several infrastructure projects, primarily for the reconstruction of ports, as well as the issuance of loans, interest on which some considered too high.

    Within the framework of his project "One belt, one road" and its marine component, also called the "Pearl Necklace Strategy", Beijing believes that its geographical position of Sri Lanka is strategic for its interests. After all, the former Ceylon is located at the intersection of sea trade routes through which oil is supplied to China. From this follows the policy towards Colombo, to which the Indian rival is very tense.

    But after the election in May 2015 of the President of Sri Lanka Maytripal Sirizen, the situation changed, as the new president began to establish ties that would help bring his country closer to India, primarily by reducing Chinese influence.

    In November 2014, New Delhi expressed its concern after the Chinese nuclear submarine Changzheng-2 (project 091) and the warship entered the port of Sri Lanka. It is worth recalling that India and Sri Lanka were bound by the 1987 treaty, which noted that their territory could not be used for purposes that could lead to the disintegration of countries and the deterioration of their security.

    Then the spokesman of the Sri Lanka Navy, Kosala Varnakulasariya, tried to reduce the scale of the fact that Chinese ships entered the ports of Lanka, saying that "since 2010, 230 warships from various countries have visited Colombo for replenishment and courtesy visits."

    But what could not create problems two years ago, today it looks different. On May 11, 2017, it became known that the Sri Lankan authorities had refused another Chinese submarine to enter Colombo without specifying the reasons. "This is a very sensitive topic," said a representative of the Ministry of Defense of Sri Lanka.

    The decision to refuse entry to the port was taken at a time when Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was to visit Sri Lanka to participate in religious ceremonies. A priori, these two events are not connected, since the Chinese submarine was due to arrive in Colombo a week later. In response, on May 14 and 15, Beijing will host the heads of state and government to present its "New Silk Road" program.

    According to reports in the Indian media, the Chinese submarine is diesel-electric and refers to project 039B. She was spotted on April 20 by the Indian base patrol aircraft Boeing P-8I Poseidon at the passage of the Malacca Strait. Due to the impossibility of calling at Colombo, the boat was forced to head to the Pakistani port of Gwadar.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2608697.html
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    Post  George1 Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:13 am

    Confrontation of India and China around the plateau

    As reported by the Kommersant newspaper in an article by Mikhail Korostikov, "India and China are on the border of the war, the forces of the BRICS and SCO partners have converged on the disputed plateau in the Himalayas," representatives of India and China will try to stop the growing conflict on the BRICS site in Beijing on July 28, In the Himalayas, which has already taken on menacing forms. On the eve of the Ministry of Defense, the PRC actually threatened the neighbor with war, urging the Indian military to stop obstructing the construction of the Chinese road on the disputed section of the Butane-Chinese border. Beijing and New Delhi are not only members of the BRICS, but since June this year they are also partners in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). However, to reduce tension this does not help. At the head of both countries are strong leaders who, for the sake of protecting their national interests, are ready to go further than their predecessors.

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    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2756541.html
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    Post  franco Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:20 pm

    Apparently the Chinese and Indian Forces got into a little fisticuffs and rock throwing at their border the other day.

    https://theprint.in/2017/08/19/visuals-show-india-china-clash-at-ladakh-was-serious-troops-injured/amp/
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    Post  Hindu Warrior Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:06 am

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    Above are two pictures, one is that of a chess board (symbolizing India’s way of thinking) and the second picture is that of a game called GO (An essential board game that every Chinese military officer plays).

    GO is one of the essential arts that every Chinese strategist plays in his life time. It's the foundation of the Chinese thought and an essential foundation to Sun Tzu’s Art of war that every Chinese official follows. GO is a game that doesn't believe in face to face confrontation. It simply believes in acquiring as much territory as possible as a factor of victory. While chess is the art of confrontation, it talks about out maneuvering your opponent in a face to face confrontation. In GO the winner is the one who patiently out maneuvers his opponent in multiple ways till one doesn't realize that he has been out cornered slowly. It's a game of acquiring as much territory as possible and not causing as many casualties as possible as is the foundation of chess way of thinking.

    The problem is that India military strategy is the chess way of thinking and Chinese Military which is heavily inspired by Sun Tzu’s ART OF WAR believes in the GO strategy. China will never want to have a face to face confrontation, no matter how much military fire power it has as Sun Tzu says, a wise general is the one who feigns a attack some where but wins a war some where else. It is important for us to understand that the war will not be fought in Doklam or Ladakh, it shall be played at a different terrain, at a different arena. The China’s focus on territory as a part of GO strategy is evident in the South China sea. In India,the war is not in Doklam but is being played in the economic arena, which it uses as a chip to keep on getting a bigger piece of India’s economy daily.

    India’s military brass, its military way of thinking has to evolve from the chess way of thinking to the GO way of thinking.

    Solution:

    While China might want to outmaneuver India’s strategy by tricking us into believing that the small skirmishes shall be leading to a war, it silently would be developing schemes of which CPEC is a part. The problem however with China is that it acts like a bully in the international arena, but blinded by its aspiration to be a regional super power it has forgotten one very important Sun Tzu’s principle “A long war is never a solution” . China’s strategy to keep on pushing for economic dominance has acquired one of the world’s highest debts because of its one sided strategy to enter world market by dominating the manufacturing sector. India should focus on certain facts like the one above, the way by which China can be countered not on the field of war but in the points where it gets hurt the most. It is China’s profit if we keep on focusing on Pakistan and consider China an imminent threat and not an immediate threat. Thus our focus should shift from viewing China as an immediate threat, then only will our military brass think like the Chinese, move like the Chinese and above all irritate them in their own game.

    - By Gajendra Singh Shekhawat, Member of Parliament, India.
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    Post  George1 Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:28 am

    India counts on Russia's mediation in the conflict with China

    According to the French bulletin Intelligence Online in the publication "Moscou demande come arbiter dans l'Himalaya", according to information from its sources, high-ranking Indian officials from the Foreign Ministry visited Moscow earlier this week. New Delhi expects to convince Moscow to mediate in the conflict that pushed India and China from behind the plateau in Bhutan. For two months now, the military units of the two countries have been watching each other in this region, and in an extremely tense atmosphere.

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    Not particularly promuling its intentions, New Delhi first of all wants Moscow to encourage Beijing to relax its position on India's accession to the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG). This veto is a key element of the quarrel between the two states. New Delhi made the issue of joining the NSG a priority issue in its security policy. The national security adviser of the Indian government, Ajit Doval, has already made an attempt at reconciliation during his visit to Beijing on July 26-27, 2017, but the result was inconclusive.

    If President Vladimir Putin is forced to accept the role of mediator in the conflict between the two Asian colossi, Moscow will be the arbiter in most of the strategic crises that shake the Asian continent.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2810963.html
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    Post  George1 Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:21 pm

    China throws out India from the Maldives

    According to the magazine "Jane's Defense Weekly" in the article Rahul Bedi "Maldives tells India to withdraw helicopters", the government of the Maldives decided to stop the operation of two Indian-supplied helicopters HAL Dhruv, supplied to the Maldives National Defense Force (Maldives National Defense Force) MNDF) and used from the islands of Laam and Addu primarily for coastal monitoring and search and rescue purposes.

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    The government of the Maldives decided not to renew the agreements signed with India (Letters of exchange - LoE) on the operation of these helicopters. The term LoE for one of the helicopters Dhruv expired in May, and the duration of the LoE for the second helicopter expires on June 30. Helicopter flights under these agreements are carried out by six airmen from the Indian Navy and the Coast Guard of India. The Maldivian government refused to extend visas for these six Indian pilots, as well as 10-12 Indian technicians engaged in servicing these helicopters.

    Also, the Maldivian government did not renew visas to Indian engineers involved in the construction of a police academy complex in the capital of the Male Isles under the bilateral agreement of 2015. In addition, the Maldives did not sign LoE regarding the previously agreed upon planned delivery by India under another agreement of 2016 of the base patrol aircraft HAL Dornier 228.

    Indian diplomats and security officers unofficially reported that the Government of the Maldives, headed by President Abdullah Yamen, had begun to "reduce" all security and cooperation agreements with New Delhi under the "order" of China that had recently concluded a security and package of commercial agreements.

    In December 2017, the Maldives signed 12 agreements with China, including a pact for the promotion of the Beijing One-Way and One-Way (OBOR) initiative aimed at expanding economic and strategic ties with the countries of the Indian Ocean region.

    In Maldives, the reconstruction of the international airport in Male was recently carried out at the expense of Chinese funding (with Indian proposals rejected), and Chinese companies are reportedly likely to win a tender for the construction of the port of Uthuru Thila Falhu northwest of Male. Indian concerns are further exacerbated by intelligence reports that, under a secret agreement, the Maldivian government granted the PLA Navy the right to call warships in Marao, which is located 40 km south of Male.

    On the bmpd side, we point out that until recently the National Defense Forces of Maldives, and, in turn, the Coast Guard, included in their composition, were almost entirely in Indian "custody", receiving from India on a grant or preferential basis equipment and training personnel. India has transferred, in the order of assistance to the Maldives, both the only operated MNDF helicopter - the Indian-made Dhruv type. The first helicopter was transferred in April 2010 from the coast guard of India, retaining its on-board number CG852, and the second was transferred in April 2016 from the Indian Navy's air force and also retained the Indian on-board number IN750.

    In 2016, a bilateral agreement was signed for the transfer of MNDF from the Indian Coast Guard to a light base Indian patrol aircraft HAL Dornier Do 228, but it has not been implemented to date. India in the past 15 years has given the Maldives at least three patrol boats.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3242015.html
    After Bangladesh and Nepal China moves in Maldives which were traditionally in India's sphere of influence
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed May 27, 2020 5:35 am

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    Post  Sujoy Wed May 27, 2020 6:45 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:

    Yes, this is true. China so far has amassed 5000 troops at the border with India. There is an ongoing standoff.

    (1)PLA has 200,000 troops in Tibet;

    (2)extraordinary range of cruise missiles; and

    (3)offensive cyber warfare capabilities to dominate electromagnetic spectrum & disrupt India's communications;

    Frankly there are not too many ways in which India can retaliate. India's cyber offensive capability is zilch.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed May 27, 2020 9:42 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Tsavo Lion wrote:

    Yes, this is true. China so far has amassed 5000 troops at the border with India. There is an ongoing standoff.

    (1)PLA has 200,000 troops in Tibet;

    (2)extraordinary range of cruise missiles; and

    (3)offensive cyber warfare capabilities to dominate electromagnetic spectrum & disrupt India's communications;

    Frankly there are not too many ways in which India can retaliate. India's cyber offensive capability is zilch.

    "(3)" Cyber warfare is done through the internet. Don't you mean electronic warfare?
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    Post  Sujoy Thu May 28, 2020 11:08 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:"(3)" Cyber warfare is done through the internet. Don't you mean electronic warfare?
    I'm sorry. Meant to say massive Chinese Cyber Attack on India's network - both military and civilian. Something like the Stuxnet attack on Iran but 10x larger
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:15 pm

    View from Moscow: https://vz.ru/world/2020/6/25/1045947.print.html
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:08 pm

    Modi has chosen discretion on China because India’s real failure is in defence capabilities

    https://theprint.in/opinion/modi-has-chosen-discretion-on-china-because-indias-real-failure-is-in-defence-capabilities/458492/

    The author explains why India hardly has any military option against China.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:55 am

    That's also why her alliances with US, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam & Australia won't be of much help. Russia won't risk damaging her relations with China by taking India's side either. So India better join them or be pushed aside & bypassed.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:35 pm

    India is building up forces in Kashmir: https://www.ng.ru/news/685481.html?print=Y

    https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/07/30/india-uses-arrival-of-new-fighter-jets-to-warn-china.html



    https://in.news.yahoo.com/chinas-celebrated-fighter-jet-toothless-060446107.html


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:37 am

    https://www.ng.ru/world/2020-08-17/1_7939_tibet.html?print=Y

    In time, after not getting much from her alli/reliance with the US, India will get disillusioned & get behind a negotiating table with China.

    https://youtu.be/u99J9EQfzm8?t=561


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    Post  mnztr Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:21 am

    This seems to be tinder box. It puts Russia in a very awkward position. If a war breaks out, which side do they take? Could we see AS400s shooting down SU-35s?
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:25 am

    They would probably remain mostly neutral, but with a slight bias in favor of China.

    Cooperation with China is of strategic importance, India is just an annoying customer that complains too mutch and in addition to that has a tendency to lean west, hardly a useful ally.

    Regardless of what happens (short of a nuclear exchange) India will likely still buy Russian arms as western examples are too shitty and too expensive.

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    Post  George1 Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:55 pm

    Russia traditonally has taken neutral to pro-indian side

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