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    Post  Pinto on Sat May 30, 2015 8:36 pm

    Indian private sector working jointly with Russian defense cos is welcome decision and win win for both nations,. Russian have contributed in the compact designs for Arihant sub nuclear reactor
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:34 pm

    India can be first foreign buyer of "Armata"

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150605/1068373773.html

    MOSCOW, 5 Dec — RIA Novosti. India is interested in buying Russian military generation platform "Armata" or its individual components for further processing tank, said in an interview with the Agency Sputnik the Indian expert of the analytical center Gateway House Samir Patil.
    He commented on the words of the Russian presidential aide on military-technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin, who said yesterday that India, China and Southeast Asia have shown interest in the new models of Russian armored vehicles, primarily to the tank "Armata".
    "India has plans to develop its own tank — Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV). And I think, if the budget allows, India can purchase the "Armata", or at least some of the components for study and future use when creating your own tank," said Patil.
    In addition, according to him, about the benefits of the acquisition of the tank "Armata" says that this platform is suitable for creating a range of combat vehicles.

    "And I think India would be interested in purchasing such a fighting platform for the army," — said the Agency interlocutor.
    The expert also did not rule out the possibility of joint development of the necessary Indian "tank of the future".
    "Russia is the only country with which India maintains joint development of weapons. These projects combat aircraft of the fifth generation (PAK FA) and transport aircraft (MTS Multipurpose transport aircraft"). I think that India will be interested in the possibility of establishing a joint venture for the development of a new tank because it corresponds to the initiative of Prime Minister modi's "Make in India". This program is aimed at finding foreign partners for joint development and production", said Patil.
    The main feature of the tank is a new generation of T-14 "Armata" is its layout. The entire crew of the tank is placed in the case and protected in an armored capsule. Combat vehicle equipped with active protection system which secures the destruction of the incoming anti-tank ammunition in automatic mode without human intervention.
    The level robotics platform "Armata" suggests that as additional special elements you can create fighting machines that operate without human presence on Board.

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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:49 pm

    "India has plans to develop its own tank — Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV). And I think, if the budget allows, India can purchase the "Armata", or at least some of the components for study and future use when creating your own tank," said Patil.

    That is exactly why they would want a modern tank in their fleet, to try to safe their failed project and to develope their MIC.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:58 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    "India has plans to develop its own tank — Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV). And I think, if the budget allows, India can purchase the "Armata", or at least some of the components for study and future use when creating your own tank," said Patil.

    That is exactly why they would want a modern tank in their fleet, to try to safe their failed project and to develope their MIC.

    There´s nothing wrong with this as long as Russian factories and R&D keep running.
    Before Indians get their Armata, Russia will have not T-14 but T-34-Relsotron Smile
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:12 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    "India has plans to develop its own tank — Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV). And I think, if the budget allows, India can purchase the "Armata", or at least some of the components for study and future use when creating your own tank," said Patil.

    That is exactly why they would want a modern tank in their fleet, to try to safe their failed project and to develope their MIC.

    There´s nothing wrong with this as long as Russian factories and R&D keep running.
    Before Indians get their Armata, Russia will have not T-14 but T-34-Relsotron  Smile

    Of course there is something wrong with this. If India wants a modern tank to sustain and build up their own Tank manufactoring industry then they should ask the russians for help in R&D and not trying to cut short by trying to reverse engineers with their 30-40 years behind state of the art tank manufactoring. Russia shouldn't be stupid and sell such crucial technology to anyone at least not as long their are no new T-34's in prospect or a vast upgrade for T-14.

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    Post  mutantsushi on Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:03 pm

    Sorry, but isn't this Indian "FICV" an IFV project?  And also supposed to be fully amphibious?
    So they wouldn't seem be interested in licencing "tank" designs for it, although Kurganets would seem potentially appropriate.
    Armata seems more of a basis for any future replacement for T-90...but I'm not sure if they have such a program yet?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:08 pm

    mutantsushi wrote:Sorry, but isn't this Indian "FICV" an IFV project?  And also supposed to be fully amphibious?
    So they wouldn't seem be interested in licencing "tank" designs for it, although Kurganets would seem potentially appropriate.
    Armata seems more of a basis for any future replacement for T-90...but I'm not sure if they have such a program yet?

    FICV is an ICV indeed. But wheeled and tracked.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:19 pm

    mutantsushi wrote:Sorry, but isn't this Indian "FICV" an IFV project?  And also supposed to be fully amphibious?
    So they wouldn't seem be interested in licencing "tank" designs for it, although Kurganets would seem potentially appropriate.
    Armata seems more of a basis for any future replacement for T-90...but I'm not sure if they have such a program yet?

    earlier in this thread was info about addons to make Armata swim :-) but interest from Indian side is true regardless for what they need it.
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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:37 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    I believe you have pessimistic perception of situation. Su-30MKI or Brahmos examples prove this is not necessarily true. IMHO both sides benefited nicely. Money for Su-30MKI helped to build Su-35...

    T-34 is not in plans of course but was my visualization to support thesis that when India will be happily producing T-14 Russia will be far ahead with own Armor.

    Of course i am pessimistic when hearing such news. This isn't some non important technology to an Allied country, this is  India which is hardly lobbied by Western countries to be any Russian and Anti-Sino. If the Indians want a good tank and want progression with their failed project they can participate and ask for R&D on basis of Prorif-2 which is today among the best if not the best protected tank with the highest mobility.

    Money is cheap when national security can be comprimized. Whenever i hear that Russia is supplying Su-35, S-400/300, Ka-52, T-14, or any PKO/PVO systems that is a concern for me, based on such events like UK buying russian T-80U,MSTA-S and K5 via Morocco. If the West wants progression in fields it holds no experience and technologies they should do it like US did out of necessity. Buying cooperation and patents of Kontakt-1 related technology to make ARAT ERA for Abrams tanks.

    Those technologies above and more are above what the West can produce right now, so yes i am pessimistic when hearing of exports of such technologies.


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    Post  Mike E on Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:03 pm

    Russia could cooperate with India but directly selling them the Armata (even in five to ten years) would not be the smartest decision. We already know that the T-14's Western equivalent (next-gen Leo) is *at least* 15 years away, and as such Armata should be valued and protected until then. India could maybe get information on the APS, next-generation etc, but not the components themselves. - Unless they sign an agreement to say, build Armata chassis for Russia or something like that. 

    Russia is ahead of the game right now, they need to keep it this way. 

    (M1A3 is coming in around 10 years but will only be a minor upgrade comprising of a diesel engine, improved armor, and possible a new FCS. It will not be a threat to Armata.
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    Werewolf wrote: Of course i am pessimistic when hearing such news. This isn't some non important technology to an Allied country, this is  India which is hardly lobbied by Western countries to be any Russian and Anti-Sino. If the Indians want a good tank and want progression with their failed project they can participate and ask for R&D on basis of Prorif-2 which is today among the best if not the best protected tank with the highest mobility.

    Money is cheap when national security can be comprimized. Whenever i hear that Russia is supplying Su-35, S-400/300, Ka-52, T-14, or any PKO/PVO systems that is a concern for me, based on such events like UK buying russian T-80U,MSTA-S and K5 via Morocco. If the West wants progression in fields it holds no experience and technologies they should do it like US did out of necessity. Buying cooperation and patents of Kontakt-1 related technology to make ARAT ERA for Abrams tanks.

    Those technologies above and more are above what the West can produce right now, so yes i am pessimistic when hearing of exports of such technologies.

    Technologies have one constant - pace of changes: today new tomorrow obsolete. I do not think Russia would sell best in breed stuff for Russian Army. But as you mentioned in National Security issues short investment money is not most important. However is Armata localization in couple of years can bring India closer to Russo-Chinese partnership and say extra 160bln/m3 / year of gas via safe route via China. Not ot mention common production of Superjets/cars or other goods to 3rd markets. Then this makes sense



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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:08 am

    Mike E wrote:Russia could cooperate with India but directly selling them the Armata (even in five to ten years) would not be the smartest decision. We already know that the T-14's Western equivalent (next-gen Leo) is *at least* 15 years away, and as such Armata should be valued and protected until then. India could maybe get information on the APS, next-generation etc, but not the components themselves. - Unless they sign an agreement to say, build Armata chassis for Russia or something like that. 

    Russia is ahead of the game right now, they need to keep it this way. 

    (M1A3 is coming in around 10 years but will only be a minor upgrade comprising of a diesel engine, improved armor, and possible a new FCS. It will not be a threat to Armata.

    I guess there will be Armata-E option before any export contract is inked and delivered. In geopolitics there is no love only national interests and in Russia´s best interest in keep India on BRICS/SCO side.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:50 am

    Mike E wrote:Russia could cooperate with India but directly selling them the Armata (even in five to ten years) would not be the smartest decision. We already know that the T-14's Western equivalent (next-gen Leo) is *at least* 15 years away, and as such Armata should be valued and protected until then. India could maybe get information on the APS, next-generation etc, but not the components themselves. - Unless they sign an agreement to say, build Armata chassis for Russia or something like that. 

    Russia is ahead of the game right now, they need to keep it this way. 

    (M1A3 is coming in around 10 years but will only be a minor upgrade comprising of a diesel engine, improved armor, and possible a new FCS. It will not be a threat to Armata.

    Russia should treat the T-14 like the US treats the F-22 Raptor. Russia should treat the PAK-FA this way as well. India can
    go an develop its own super duper tech. I am sick and tired to listening to all the Russia bashing over Russia's "non delivery" of
    the two-seater PAK-FA to India and the routine claim that India paid for the development of the PAK-FA.

    Countries are allowed to have special status equipment which they do not sell for national security reasons. There is
    no right of any other country to buy this equipment. The T-90MS is good enough for export. The SU series of jets
    are good enough for export as well.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:02 am

    kvs wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Russia could cooperate with India but directly selling them the Armata (even in five to ten years) would not be the smartest decision. We already know that the T-14's Western equivalent (next-gen Leo) is *at least* 15 years away, and as such Armata should be valued and protected until then. India could maybe get information on the APS, next-generation etc, but not the components themselves. - Unless they sign an agreement to say, build Armata chassis for Russia or something like that. 

    Russia is ahead of the game right now, they need to keep it this way. 

    (M1A3 is coming in around 10 years but will only be a minor upgrade comprising of a diesel engine, improved armor, and possible a new FCS. It will not be a threat to Armata.

    Russia should treat the T-14 like the US treats the F-22 Raptor.   Russia should treat the PAK-FA this way as well.   India can
    go an develop its own super duper tech.   I am sick and tired to listening to all the Russia bashing over Russia's "non delivery" of
    the two-seater PAK-FA to India and the routine claim that India paid for the development of the PAK-FA.  

    Countries are allowed to have special status equipment which they do not sell for national security reasons.   There is
    no right of any other country to buy this equipment.   The T-90MS is good enough for export.   The SU series of jets
    are good enough for export as well.

    2nd this.

    Not only is T-90MS already better than anything the west can offer for export also than most of what NATO has in its own service, but also Sukhoi export jets are also much better than what the West offers for Export, in technology wise aswell as performance wise, but i guess you should buying M1A1H which are on the level of T-72B or T-80U standards of protection with inferior mobility and durability, because all operators of those M1A1 export models seam to enjoy how advanced technology of these beasts is, so they change them for T-72M monkey models due their ineffectivity on the battlefield. Lack of ammunition is kind of a cripplying effect in urban warfare, but unless you are not planing shooting on Ironman with KE penetrators you are better suited wth even MonkeyModel 72's firing HE-Frag ammunition against US incenstous terrorists in urban warfare.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:41 am

    [quote="kvs"]
    Mike E wrote:Russia could cooperate with India but directly selling them the Armata (even in five to ten years) would not be the smartest decision. We already know that the T-14's Western equivalent (next-gen Leo) is *at least* 15 years away, and as such Armata should be valued and protected until then. India could maybe get information on the APS, next-generation etc, but not the components themselves. - Unless they sign an agreement to say, build Armata chassis for Russia or something like that. 

    .


    3rd this..

    Is kind of stupid Russia give away their best technology ,to other nations that later ends in the hands of western spies.  India basically wants the technology of armata without working for it ,for cheap ,to reverse engineer it and later design their tanks..  India also wanted the technology of Pak-Fa .. and also want Russia to help India to build Yasen Submarines.. know where im going.?  India wants to become a super power for almost free.. ,paying just a small fee.  But when they do Business with US..or Israel or any NATO they never get any transfer of technology .. They buy the product and pays the market price for it.. not special price.  

    Russia should evaluate if its worth of doing , transfering technology to their allies for next to nothing.. China is on the same boat..but worse.. they want SU-35 to reverse engineer it.. and
    later sell it back for cheaper price.. China have no ethics at all in Business. And Russia should be
    very careful with their S-400s to China ,because they will reverse engineer it and later sell it back to nations like Turkey... already doing that with Chinese version of S-300.

    CHina also sold T-72 copies to Venezuela if remember well.. is really bad.. Russia needs to become 100% independent and trade zero technology that is crucial for its nation defense.
    Chinnese really have no ethics with business...  And Russia sales to CHina should be limited to Energy ,raw materials.. If want to help  .

    IT will be better a share project if Russia wants to help India and or China and send new young engineers ,recently graduated.. that are not genius but ok students. who never developed anything ,to build a partnership to develop military weapons with India or China.. but without compromising any top technology from Russia.  SOmething similar to the S-350 project between Russia and SOuth Korea. That will be a win /win for both sides..  because both sides will get knowledge.. and it will not be Russia selling technology and teaching all..and instead will be both sides working together to develop something new.

    But giving away the nation top technology is stupid .
    in the last few days ,have read how much India wants help to build submarines like Russia ,
    Stealth Planes like Russia , next generation tanks like Russia. And it looks like just like China
    they both are taking advantage of Russia economic problems to Extort Russia and obtain for very cheap state of the art  for next to nothing

    CHina for example originally wanted 32 Su-35 planes.. because they need to reverse engineer the engines.. and the more Russia economy is in trouble ,the more cheaper is the offer from China.. now they are negotiating for 15. . Imho not worth of the pain. Russia should not sell their best hardware to anyone .

    India and CHina are great nations , and Russia should continue having close relations with them.. but their best technology should be better keep.. and not sold anywhere , just like Americans do with their F-22 plane.

    That said i really think is bad idea Russia sell Pak-FA to anyone else.. or Armata.. and instead
    Modernize upgrade their Su-30 and Mig-29 and make them a bit more stealthy ,not using Pak-fa technology.. and sell those for exports.. Same with their  T-90.. to add Arena ,improve the protection and Gun power a bit. and sell those for exports only.. In other word just optimize
    their older technology for exports.. good enough to compete with western upgraded F-16s and European fighters.. but not as good as Pak-FA or Su-35 electronic warfare capabilities.

    Already Russia had lots of problems with important technology being stolen ,when US organize a coup in X or Y nation and the new Government in Power shares Russia technology with them.

    This happened with Egypt.. with Ukraine now , and with some asian countries . etc.


    In a bit off topic news.. speaking about India.. Just days ago ,the new Obama freedom fighters
    that Obama trains and arms, killed 20 Indian soldiers with american anti tank weapons..

    http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150606/1023008146.html

    This should be an awakened call for India ,to stop its neutrality in the world and become much
    more active in world conflicts in alliance with Russia.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:42 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Of course i am pessimistic when hearing such news. This isn't some non important technology to an Allied country, this is  India which is hardly lobbied by Western countries to be any Russian and Anti-Sino. If the Indians want a good tank and want progression with their failed project they can participate and ask for R&D on basis of Prorif-2 which is today among the best if not the best protected tank with the highest mobility.
    but they are already buying T-90MS by the hundreds- they want a new state of the art tank.
    Werewolf wrote:
    Money is cheap when national security can be comprimized. Whenever i hear that Russia is supplying Su-35, S-400/300, Ka-52, T-14, or any PKO/PVO systems that is a concern for me, based on such events like UK buying russian T-80U,MSTA-S and K5 via Morocco. If the West wants progression in fields it holds no experience and technologies they should do it like US did out of necessity. Buying cooperation and patents of Kontakt-1 related technology to make ARAT ERA for Abrams tanks.
    there is always that risk yes, but look on the bright side. your likely adversary is using stuff based on your stuff at least a generation earlier Twisted Evil .
    you still have the knowledge behind the operating principles of your old stuff, and you especially know its weaknesses. time to exploit those! Twisted Evil
    kvs wrote:
    Russia should treat the T-14 like the US treats the F-22 Raptor.   Russia should treat the PAK-FA this way as well.   India can
    go an develop its own super duper tech.   I am sick and tired to listening to all the Russia bashing over Russia's "non delivery" of
    the two-seater PAK-FA to India and the routine claim that India paid for the development of the PAK-FA.
    and who are these people bashing the Russians- certainly not the people who matter. never read of Indian generals bash Russian tanks- ive read of Russian generals do so tho.
    kvs wrote:
    Countries are allowed to have special status equipment which they do not sell for national security reasons.   There is
    no right of any other country to buy this equipment.   The T-90MS is good enough for export.   The SU series of jets
    are good enough for export as well.
    dude its only a tank- not an iskander. if they are willing to sell iskanders i say they are ready and willing to sell armatas too. and iskanders are more of a possible security threat than any number of tanks- load a nuke warhead on it and you have an effective nuke weapon read to strike.
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    I guess there will be Armata-E option before any export contract is inked and delivered. In geopolitics there is no love only national interests and in Russia´s best interest in keep India on BRICS/SCO side.
    there would be an Armata-E eventually, in fact the modular nature of T-14 and rest of armatas lends itself well to making different versions, including an export one.

    and who knows- perhaps UVZ manages to convince the Indians to invest in T-95 instead. Twisted Evil
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    Post  dberwal on Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:34 am

    Just trying to clarify some misinformation on Indian AFV projects as i see many members using some terms very often:

    1) Indian has Bought Approx 1600 T-90S and not the MS version.
    - Approx 1000 of T-90S are already in service

    2)T-90S would come for an mid life upgrade as its almost 14years since first 124 were inducted in 2001-02
    - Upgrade would definitely involve technology and components from T-90 MS/ T-14/ Arjun

    3) Next 10years Indian Army will not get a chance to induct any MBT in numbers, only small numbers will be inducted in lots of 100 over 3-4 years time, nothing more.
    - so the next MBT big buy will come around 2025-27 period.

    4) FICV in the big buy project for Indian Mechanized forces
    - As per the project, it has to be Made in India, by an Indian company.
    - Indian company can have partnership with foreign vendors.
    - Most indication are that 2 different designs will be selected for tests and eventually one will be selected.
    - Indian MoD will fund some % of both the design development cost.
    - As with most Indian projects, this project has hit some roadblocks and slowed down, it should pick up by next year.

    5) The current project of around 1500+ BMP 2 upgrade is what is on the cards. (most likely upgraded to BMP 2M standard)

    I believe reports in Indian media about below par performance of Russian equipment are all paid news and none of the are any kind of official view.

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    Post  victor1985 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:39 am

    Some joint ventures between russia and china and india would be usefull. Think that same tehnology is gives to both countryes. But most better i sugest that russia must stay close to india. Because indians have top scientists and their only problems are economical. So would be better to stay close. Both were togheter when was communism because both felt that others than Us should be powers. They both wanted peace. United states want only to rule the world. And all stay under their conditions....

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    Post  Austin on Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:05 pm

    dberwal wrote:Just trying to clarify some misinformation on Indian AFV projects as i see many members using some terms very often:

    1) Indian has Bought Approx 1600 T-90S and not the MS version.
    - Approx 1000 of T-90S are already in service

    I believe its 1650 T-90 plus an additional 240 T-90 on china front.

    http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20121105/main5.htm

    So Total would be 1800 T-90

    2)T-90S would come for an mid life upgrade as its almost 14years since first 124 were inducted in 2001-02
    - Upgrade would definitely involve technology and components from T-90 MS/ T-14/ Arjun

    Yes for Arjun and T-90MS.

    I dont know if T-14 can be of help except for Constellation C4 system but I believe we will have our own Netcentric system for T-90.


    5) The current project of around 1500+ BMP 2 upgrade is what is on the cards. (most likely upgraded to BMP 2M standard)

    Additionally high power engine

    I believe reports in Indian media about below par performance of Russian equipment are all paid news and none of the are any kind of official view.

    True , Mostly Ajay Shukla who spearheads it , He is banned by Russian Embassy from any press event Very Happy
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    I believe its 1650 T-90 plus an additional 240 T-90 on china front.

    Post  dberwal on Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:30 pm

    Austin wrote:
    I believe its 1650 T-90 plus an additional 240 T-90 on china front.

    So Total would be 1800 T-90
    IA has put upgraded T-72 on china front

    the news of 240 T-90MS for china front is not authentic. Thus the number still stands at 1600-1650 approx

    there is no need to place any new order of T-90 as even the previous order is not completed. India never buys in advance.



    Yes for Arjun and T-90MS.

    I dont know if T-14 can be of help except for Constellation C4 system but I believe we will have our own Netcentric system for T-90.

     one never knows what russians have up their sleeves, something can surely find place in T-90 upgrade
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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Pinto on Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:58 pm



    This is a very welcome news and more such joint venture must be launched with Russia Smile

    Russian military hardware makes up around 40 percent of all hardware in the Indian ground forces (it is even more in India’s Air Force — 80 percent, and Navy — 75 percent). In total, there are around 600 T-55 tanks, almost 2,000 T-72M1 and 640 T-90C tanks
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    The first launch of "BrahMos" with the Su-30MKI is planned for March 2015

    Post  Pinto on Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:15 pm



    cheers cheers India must go for more joint ventures with Russia its only all weather friend welcome

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