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    India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:07 am

    Russia-India military transport plane could be ready by 2018

    RIA Novosti

    11/03/201015:03

    NEW DELHI, March 11 (RIA Novosti) - A new Russian-Indian military transport plane could make its maiden flight by 2018, the head of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) said.

    Russia and India signed an intergovernmental agreement on the joint development of a multi-role transport aircraft (MTA) in 2007. The cost of the $600-mln project is being equally shared by the two countries.

    "We are at the initial stage of the project. Maybe in 6-8 years we shall have the prototype aircraft flying," Ashok Nayak said in an exclusive interview with RIA Novosti.

    The MTA project will be implemented by a Russian-Indian joint venture, co-founded by Russia's arms exporter Rosoboronexport and United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and India's HAL.

    An agreement on the formation of the JV is expected to be signed during the current visit of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to India.

    "A green flag has been shown at this point...the work will progress very fast for the formation of the joint venture," Nayak said, adding that all necessary documents had been agreed on by both sides.

    Moscow and New Delhi will have an equal share in the development and production of the aircraft. The aircraft is expected to be assembled in both Russia and India.

    "Initially we expect to produce about 205 aircraft of which 30% will go on the world market," the HAL chairman said.

    The MTA will be most likely developed on the basis of the Il-214 twin-engine military transport aircraft designed by the Ilyushin Design Bureau.

    The new aircraft will feature a takeoff weight of around 55 tons, flight range of 2,500 kilometers (1,550 miles) and a payload of up to 20 tons.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/india/2010/india-100311-rianovosti02.htm
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    India, Russia agree details of joint 5G-fighter project!

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:19 am

    India, Russia agree details of joint 5G-fighter project
    RIA Novosti

    11/03/201013:50

    NEW DELHI, March 11 (RIA Novosti) - India and Russia have agreed in general on shared responsibility for the joint development of the fifth-generation fighter, the chairman of the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) said.

    Moscow and New Delhi are expected to sign a contract on the joint development of the new fighter in the near future, focusing on the design concept and technical requirements put forward by India.

    "Currently, broad areas of work sharing have been identified. Composite materials, avionics, etc. could be some of the focus areas of HAL," Ashok Nayak said in an exclusive interview with RIA Novosti.

    Nayak did not specify the cost of the project but said it would be split evenly between India and Russia.

    The sides agreed to develop both a single-seat and a two-seat versions of the aircraft by 2016, focusing on the single-seat version in the initial stages of development.

    "Both versions will be put in service with the Indian Air Force," Nayak said.

    The HAL chairman said the Indian side had already specified technical requirements for the single-seat version and passed them on to Russian manufacturers.

    "The general agreement is that we work on both sides - the Russians and the Indians will cooperate on both versions of the aircraft," he said.

    The new aircraft will be most likely based on Russia's T-50 prototype fifth-generation fighter, which has already made two test flights and is expected to join the Russian Air Force in 2015.

    Russia has been developing its fifth-generation fighter since the 1990s. The current prototype, known as the T-50, was designed by the Sukhoi design bureau and built at a plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, in Russia's Far East.

    Russian officials have already hailed the fighter as "a unique warplane" that combines the capabilities of an air superiority fighter and attack aircraft.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/india/2010/india-100311-rianovosti03.htm
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    Russia tests engine for Indian fighter jet

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:23 pm


    Russia tests engine for Indian fighter jet

    RIA Novosti

    17:03 10/11/2010

    MOSCOW, November 10 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has started in-flight tests of an Indian domestically-designed gas turbine engine for an indigenous light fighter, state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport said Wednesday.

    The engine, dubbed Kaveri, has been designed by India's Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) for the Tejas light fighter developed under the Indian national program Light Combat Aircraft.

    "The first flight of an Il-76LL test aircraft with a Kaveri engine set in place of one of the plane's engines continued for 45 minutes and confirmed the results of ground tests," Rosoboronexport said in a statement.

    About 50 in-flight tests have been scheduled for the next few months to confirm the engine's characteristics and reliability.

    "After that, the engine will be tested on the Tejas fighter," the statement said.

    Despite numerous delays in the development of the Kaveri engine, India still hopes to put it on the later version of the Tejas aircraft.

    The current version of the Tejas fighter is equipped with a single GE F404 afterburning turbofan engine developed by General Electric. India has recently ordered at least 99 advanced GE F414 engines for the next production batch of Tejas.

    The Indian Air Force is reported to have a requirement for 200 single-seat Tejas fighters and 20 two-seat conversion trainers, while the Indian Navy may order up to 40 single-seaters.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/india/2010/india-101110-rianovosti01.htm
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    Russia, India may hold joint military drills annually

    Post  Russian Patriot on Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:56 pm


    Russia, India may hold joint military drills annually
    RIA Novosti

    17:56 08/12/2010

    NEW DELHI, December 8 (RIA Novosti) - The Russian-Indian joint Indra military drills will involve three branches of the armed forces and may be held every year in the future, the chief of the Russian General Staff said on Wednesday.

    Gen. Nikolai Makarov, who is on a three-day official visit to India, spoke after meeting his Indian counterpart, Air Chief Marshal Pradeep Vasant Naik, and other top military commanders.

    "We have agreed that the Indra exercises in 2011 will involve the Ground Forces, the Navy and the Air Force," Makarov said, adding that they could be held annually from next year.

    The Indian and Russian military have conducted Indra joint biennial exercises since 2003, but the drills have never involved all three branches of the armed forces.

    The latest drills were held in October 2010 in the Indian Himalayas.

    Russia sent more than 200 troops from its 34th mountain brigade, based in the North Caucasus, to join the Indian troops in the exercises.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2010/12/mil-101208-rianovosti01.htm
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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:06 am

    This is good news.

    I am sure both sides will learn a lot.
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    India, Russia register JV to produce transport aircraft

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:59 am


    India, Russia register JV to produce transport aircraft

    RIA Novosti

    19:55 16/12/2010 NEW DELHI, December 16 (RIA Novosti) - India and Russia have registered a joint venture, MTA Limited, to develop and manufacture a new transport aircraft in line with previous agreements, the head of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) said.

    An agreement for MTA Limited between HAL and Russia's United Aircraft Corporation and state arms exporter Rosoboronexport was signed in September.

    "The joint venture was registered in the beginning of December in Bangalore," Ashok Nayak told RIA Novosti. "Work on the preliminary design will start in January 2011."

    With a payload capacity of 20 tons and speed of 810 km per hour, the multirole transport aircraft (MTA) is set to be another milestone in decades-old India-Russia defense relationship that is evolving from a buyer-seller to co-developers of cutting-edge military equipment.

    The total development cost is around $600 million to be equally shared by both sides.

    Manufacturing facilities will be set up in both Russia and India. At least 205 planes are to be made, 30 percent of which may be exported to third countries.

    The MTA is expected to make its maiden flight in 2016-18.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2010/12/mil-101216-rianovosti05.htm
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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:58 am

    If it is based on an existing aircraft then development should be relatively quick and straight forward.

    Will be a timely replacement for An-12s in the Russian Air force.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:25 am

    GarryB wrote:If it is based on an existing aircraft then development should be relatively quick and straight forward.

    Will be a timely replacement for An-12s in the Russian Air force.

    Since it will be based on cargo version of An-148 it will be ready on time. In fact, it is already in production for civil use.
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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:38 am

    AFAIK the requirements for dimensions basically rules out the An-148 design as a basis no matter what Antonov says.

    Ilyusion is the Russian partner in this program and as far as I can tell they want a new aircraft with the cross section of an Il-76 but obviously shorter.

    The An-148 is just an An-72 with more conventionally mounted engines in underwing pods.

    It is a 6-10 ton class aircraft so stretching it to 20 tons would take some redesign work.
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    RUSSIA & INDIA - NEW MUNITION DEAL

    Post  Sujoy on Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:31 pm

    RIA NOVOSTI

    Russia and India signed a framework document on Tuesday for establishment of a joint production facility for modern munitions for the Indian Army, a high-ranking source in the Indian Armed Forces told RIA Novosti.

    The agreement was signed on Monday at a working group on defense production.

    India plans to start domestic production of cutting-edge Russian-designed weapons, including rocket and artillery rounds.

    The two sides also discussed other areas for possible cooperation including license-production of Russian aerospace technology, the source said, but did not give further details.
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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Sujoy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:18 am

    PICTURES OF THE 5 DIFFERENT ROCKETS THAT WILL BE MANUFACTURED



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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:04 am

    Nice.

    So they will be making standard 300mm Smerch rockets.

    I wonder if they will adopt a pallet configuration or continue with a separate loading vehicle...


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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:46 am

    Would be interesting if once they have mastered these rockets that they could work on new rockets with improved performance.

    I remember they were talking about adding lift generating wings that would extend the range of the rockets to 120-150km without reducing payload or increasing weight by much.

    I think there would also be room for cooperation in developing rocket delivered UAVs for finding targets and battle damage assessment.


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    Post  Sujoy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:00 am

    SPLAV does produce GPS-guided rockets containing sensor-fuzed munitions but these have not been acquired as yet by the Indian Army

    The fuzing mechanisms and sub-munitions will be supplied off-the-shelf by Splav SPA, with the remaining components of the rockets being produced from locally-produced raw materials, based on ToT from Splav SPA.

    AFAIK 120km-range MBRL rockets of 300mm barrel diameter are available in China.
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    FMBT-Future Main Battle Tank of India

    Post  Sujoy on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:02 am

    There is a bigger possibility that Russia & India will co-develop a Futuristic MBT .

    http://www.kommersant.com/p-12890/Smart_tank_India/

    It might have different nomenclatures in India & Russia but eventually the end product will be the same. This would be very interesting. In India Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment  ( CVRDE) is over confident about developing a 50-tonne FMBT while Russia's FMBT will be far more heavier MBT and powered by a powerful 1,800hp engine. The Indian Army is at last reading the writing on the wall & leaning in favour of an FMBT that will be far heavier than the Arjun Mk1A .

    According to UVZ Director General Nikolai Malykh Russia & India  have already had preliminary discussions on the issue.

    According to Moscow Defence Brief :

    This new FMBT

    1) Will sport state of the art armour technology.
    2) It will feature higher speed, better firepower, sophisticated armour protection and a low silhouette.
    3) An armour-protected crew compartment will be sealed from the unmanned turret equipped with an automatic loader.
    4) The crew will be provided with a virtual-reality command information system linked to reconnaissance aircraft and will enjoy a smoother ride thanks to a new hydro-pneumatic suspension.
    5) Will likely have a new main gun of up to 152 mm calibre and a new hunter-killer fire control system with target acquisition in optical, thermal, infrared and radar spectrums that will be accessible both to the gunner and tank commander
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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Viktor on Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:44 pm

    As a matter of fact this is rater old news. Russia has approached India few times on this issue.

    After that there where no news for several years and here you are, with fresh ones.

    I do hope they will came to agreement like in Brahmos/PAK-FA
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    Post  Sujoy on Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:18 pm

    Viktor wrote:As a matter of fact this is rater old news. Russia has approached India few times on this issue.

    As I stated in my earlier post this is a probability and going by the situation as it's evolving now it seems both sides are interested. The news may be old but recent developments are new . I am highlighting the development not the news per se .

    Viktor wrote:After that there where no news for several years and here you are, with fresh ones.

    Cannot be several years . First presentation was made by UVZ in 2009 to an Indian delegation that visited their plant.Prior to that it was an expression of interest only. Serious discussions started towards the end of 2010 during the Futuristic Main Battle Tank conference in New Delhi and they are on going . The IA has laid out it's specifications. The question is do they have the budget for it. The cost aspect is now being discussed
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    Post  Viktor on Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:27 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Viktor wrote:As a matter of fact this is rater old news. Russia has approached India few times on this issue.

    As I stated in my earlier post this is a probability and going by the situation as it's evolving now it seems both sides are interested. The news may be old but recent developments are new . I am highlighting the development not the news per se .

    Viktor wrote:After that there where no news for several years and here you are, with fresh ones.

    Cannot be several years . First presentation was made by UVZ in 2009 to an Indian delegation that visited their plant.Prior to that it was an expression of interest only. Serious discussions started towards the end of 2010 during the Futuristic Main Battle Tank conference in New Delhi and they are on going . The IA has laid out it's specifications. The question is do they have the budget for it. The cost aspect is now being discussed

    I know this is just an update. Glad that new tank project is going in the right direction.

    Besides at the time I read about it it was just proposition, now presentation was mentioned. Who knows.
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    Post  Sujoy on Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:35 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    I know this is just an update. Glad that new tank project is going in the right direction.

    Besides at the time I read about it it was just proposition, now presentation was mentioned. Who knows.

    Actually in 2008 Russia had shown a presentation of probably the T 95 or some other tank but not the FMBT which Russia now plans to design. and I recon it was basically a similar presentation shown in 2009 . However , the India side did not have enough budgetary allocation as most of the money would go in upgrading the T 90s and developing Arjun MKII . At that time the concept of an FMBT was not being discussed in India as it was financially un viable. Now their is a realization that the army needs a quantum leap in technology to maintain a technological edge over China & Pakistan . So the IA is interested in the Russian model of the FMBT. However it cannot stop the upgradation of the T 90s and Arjun . It has however made a presentation of it's FMBT requirement and send it to UVZ . Question is to what extent the 2013-14 Defense budget will be raised so as to finance this deal
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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  TR1 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:59 pm

    Russia's new MBT will be far heavier?

    Wut?

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    Post  Zivo on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:17 pm

    It's probably referring to 195. Which is apparently heavier than 50 tons. It also makes reference to the 152mm gun, which as far as we know wont be used on Armata unless the west makes a 80 ton behemoth for their next-gen tank. The 1800hp engine is music to my ears though, I hope that power pack finds its way onto Armata.

    The article is dated, but it's news to me that India showed interest in Object 195, and Armata. I wonder what's up with Arjun?
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    Post  TR1 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:32 pm

    1800 hp engine seems grossly overpowered for the kind of weight Russia wants from Armata - barely over 50 ton range.
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    Post  Zivo on Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:42 am

    TR1 wrote:1800 hp engine seems grossly overpowered for the kind of weight Russia wants from Armata - barely over 50 ton range.

    It may be overpowered, but when an M1 crew challenges an Armata crew to a drag race, the extra power wont be regretted. Razz

    There's also a 1500hp, and a 1650hp engine that were tested on Object 195. On a serious note, if the T-95 uses a diesel-electric or hydraulic mechanical transmission being overpowered isn't a problem, unless the engine is significantly larger in size.
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    Re: India and Russia joint military projects: News

    Post  Sujoy on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:29 am

    TR1 wrote:Russia's new MBT will be far heavier?

    Wut?


    In the region of 55 tons .

    Zivo wrote:The article is dated, but it's news to me that India showed interest in Object 195, and Armata.

    Not entirely . India has shown interest in the joint development with Russia of a 55 ton( ballpark fig) , 1800hp FMBT. As I have said earlier currently there is NO budget that has been sanctioned by the MoD as the upgradation of the T 90S and development of Arjun MKII are more important.


    Zivo wrote: I wonder what's up with Arjun?

    India's FMBT may well be the Arjun MK3. Word is Russia can share expertise on the development of a 140mm smoothbore main gun and a 1,800hp engine ( for which even Cummins has pitched in).1500 Hp is sufficient for a 50-tonne tank, but the endemic danger of weight over-runs in a new tank makes a 300 Hp margin prudent.

    The DRDO has brought in international consultants to design the engine and build Indian manufacturing capability in engine-related fields.German companies MTU and Renk, which supply engines and transmissions for the Arjun tank, refused to provide consultancy, realising that building Indian capability would end their market here. DRDO is now evaluating consultancy proposals from Ricardo of Britain and AVL of Austria.

    An Expression of Interest (EoI) has been floated to identify an Indian manufacturing partner.

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    There is a bigger possibility that Russia & India will co-develop a Futuristic MBT .

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:26 am

    Armata was to have a family of engines for the different variants.

    Specific weights have not been revealed except hints that the armata MBT will be about 55 tons and the heaviest vehicle will be 65 tons, which I would speculate will be Koalition 152mm SPAG.

    The engines were supposed to start in the 1400hp range for the first models and for the lighter vehicles, which presumably include the APC and command vehicles, while more powerful models will be developed with a growth path to about 2,400hp eventually at the cost of engine life... till new materials make it a standard power performance.

    To be honest if they are planning to go for a conventional engine hybrid with an electric motor then diesel engines stop looking that interesting and the gas turbine suddenly looks more useful. When moving a heavy vehicle a gas turbine is not ideal because the high revs for acceleration are very fuel inefficient for a gas turbine. As a generator of power at a fixed optimum speed however a gas turbine is small and compact and light, as well as being a simple and efficient way to generate electricity. Their only remaining problems are a need for clean filtered air and of course heat signature. They do tend to be quieter than most diesels of similar power.


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