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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  franco on Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:46 pm

    Video of the T-15 BMP which has a crew of 3 and carries 9 dismounts as opposed to the normal 7 in the BMP / BTR series.

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/L__FATum8GU?rel=0
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:41 pm

    "Uralvagonzavod" will deliver about 20 new T-14 "Armata"


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:28 pm

    George1 wrote:"Uralvagonzavod" will deliver about 20 new T-14 "Armata"

    The article has an interesting photo on the auto-loader.

    Can anyone translate.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:23 pm

    It does not say anything about autoloader. It says Unmanned turret, 10-12 Rounds per minute, 32 ammunition in total, AESA, digital FCS, 7km max engagement range and optional 152mm gun.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:29 pm

    Werewolf wrote:It does not say anything about autoloader. It says Unmanned turret, 10-12 Rounds per minute, 32 ammunition in total, AESA, digital FCS, 7km max engagement range and optional 152mm gun.

    "7km engagement range", i can already see the tears of those "Abrams is #1" crowed. Twisted Evil
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:56 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:It does not say anything about autoloader. It says Unmanned turret, 10-12 Rounds per minute, 32 ammunition in total, AESA, digital FCS, 7km max engagement range and optional 152mm gun.

    "7km engagement range", i can already see the tears of those "Abrams is #1" crowed. Twisted Evil

    Leopard2A6M has higher engagement range than any other tank in service right now when you ignore GLATGM's, so Abramzs fanboys can jerk around as much as they want but Leopard 2A6M beats it in everyway.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  max steel on Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:59 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:It does not say anything about autoloader. It says Unmanned turret, 10-12 Rounds per minute, 32 ammunition in total, AESA, digital FCS, 7km max engagement range and optional 152mm gun.

    "7km engagement range", i can already see the tears of those "Abrams is #1" crowed. Twisted Evil

    Leopard2A6M has higher engagement range than any other tank in service right now when you ignore GLATGM's, so Abramzs fanboys can jerk around as much as they want but Leopard 2A6M beats it in everyway.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Mike E on Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:48 am

    I wouldn't take that info-graphic very seriously, it seems like they completely messed up the armour layout (from what we know).

    If you want info/diagrams, try finding them on Paralay or through a Russian patent sight.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:25 am

    Lol...never trust any infographics even and especially if it is made by armor or tank developer about armor LOS, layout or its in/capabilities. That is by definition secret and noone would ever even point you in the right direction, just like NII Stali claim M829A2 can penetrate T-72B3 at 6km range vs Kontakt-5 or that 900mm LOS armor.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Mike E on Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:09 am

    It's not even 'just' that. From what I understand, the layout of the armour is completely different. Instead of being a thick slab that's heavily angled ala T-64 and up, the primary section is "internal" and not as angled. The outer section is additional armour.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:21 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:It does not say anything about autoloader. It says Unmanned turret, 10-12 Rounds per minute, 32 ammunition in total, AESA, digital FCS, 7km max engagement range and optional 152mm gun.

    "7km engagement range", i can already see the tears of those "Abrams is #1" crowed. Twisted Evil

    Leopard2A6M has higher engagement range than any other tank in service right now when you ignore GLATGM's, so Abramzs fanboys can jerk around as much as they want but Leopard 2A6M beats it in everyway.

    Respect to the Germans, but as long as Abram-boys cry i'm good. Razz
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Mike E on Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:18 am

    http://topwar.ru/86503-uvz-u-pushki-t-14-armata-povyshennaya-prochnost-i-vysokaya-stepen-zhivuchesti.html

    (Via Yandex)

    "In a press-service of "Uralvagonzavod" reported that the developer 125mm gun for the T-14 "Armata" with the help of special technology has increased the durability of the gun. The technology consists in the deposition of polymetallic special protective coating on the bore. The news Agency TASS quotes the statement of the representative of the press service of defense enterprises:

    On the tank "Armata" set created JSC "Plant number 9" 125-mm tank gun A-1M, high fire power, which required the application of new technologies and autorepair coated barrelto ensure the desired strength and survivability.

    According to some, the use of special protective layer in the barrel has improved the precision produced by firing."

    T-14 gets a self-repairing (?) barrel liner. Cool news
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:26 am

    Mike E wrote:http://topwar.ru/86503-uvz-u-pushki-t-14-armata-povyshennaya-prochnost-i-vysokaya-stepen-zhivuchesti.html

    (...)

    T-14 gets a self-repairing (?) barrel liner. Cool news

    You means the word "автоскрепления" ?
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:47 pm

    max steel wrote: German made tag is fcuking authentic . You can't beat them.

    Of course it is ! Germans made their Armata already 30years ago that´s ewhy now with French need extra 15 years to make a copy!

    and VW has low CO2 emission as well Surprised)
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:28 pm

    franco wrote:Video of the T-15 BMP which has a crew of 3 and carries 9 dismounts as opposed to the normal 7 in the BMP / BTR series.

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/L__FATum8GU?rel=0

    Barbaris? Wat?
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  max steel on Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:04 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    max steel wrote: German made tag is fcuking authentic . You can't beat them.

    Of course it is ! Germans made their Armata already 30years ago that´s ewhy now with French need extra 15 years to make a copy!

    and VW has low CO2 emission as well Surprised)


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:55 am

    George1 wrote:"Uralvagonzavod" will deliver about 20 new T-14 "Armata"

    Didn't armata t-14 was supposed to enter trials in 2016 and enter service in 2018 if all was working?

    That article suggest 20 new T-14 were made and will be delivered for Russian army use..
    i Am missing something? Does armata tank T-14 will enter in service now in 2015? Suspect
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Mike E on Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:00 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    Didn't armata t-14 was supposed to enter trials in 2016 and enter service in 2018 if all was working?

    That article suggest 20 new T-14 were made and will be delivered for Russian army use..
    i Am missing something?  Does armata tank T-14 will enter in service now in 2015? Suspect
    Everything is going according to the original time schedule. The 20 T-14's are not new units, most of them are probably from the parade. UVZ is handing them to the army, who will trial them next year.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:01 am

    The hull is more or less finished the only thing those armatas are for is trails by army. The unfinished part are the turrets and modules which we will see in 2 years.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:12 pm

    Werewolf wrote:The hull is more or less finished the only thing those armatas are for is trails by army. The unfinished part are the turrets and modules which we will see in 2 years.

    oh so its official that the turret we saw in Victory parade of T-14 was just a preview ,and not the finished turret? the one in armata looked like just the skull without the armor.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:30 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    oh so its official that the turret we saw in Victory parade of T-14 was just a preview ,and not the finished turret? the one in armata looked like just the skull without the armor.

    We shall see in a few years.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  Mike E on Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:05 pm

    The turret core shouldn't see any changes, it is the exterior shell and systems that would.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:05 am

    I would expect multiple changes and updates to the turrets of the Armata over time... it is supposed to be both modular and upgradable.

    I suspect the first change to the core of the MBT turret would be an increased calibre main gun and future changes to allow add on weapons packages like perhaps a bustle mounted cannon RWS or grenade launcher... perhaps even a rear bustle mounted vertical launch array of Morfei lock on after launch short range SAMs.

    Various systems will change over time with upgrades and improvements like Shtora, ARENA, Nakidka, etc etc... some will require new turret structures etc.

    I am looking forward to seeing a full armata division with all the different vehicle family types operating together...

    I suspect they will find with practise that some types make other ideas redundant... for instance a BMPT is really just a tank based IFV with more ammo replacing the troop transport component...

    On the other hand of course a dedicated BMPT vehicle might still be useful as an escort vehicle or in conflicts where the enemy has little or no armour so a MBT is not needed but a fire power vehicle would be useful.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #3

    Post  cracker on Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:46 pm

    Just for informative and laugh purpose, here is a florilege of typical westerners comments on the T-14, some true experts here... (taken form various websites, it could be your usual youtube comments as well)... I know it's appaling, but it just goes to show how (again) how uneducated and biased the masses are when it comes to Russian military or just Russia anyway.


    1st, from "Marc Laplante, 35+ yrs policing, served in artillery (RCA), student of military history"

    "The Russians have used auto loaders in their recent MBTS,  as does this new T14. There are real limitations with these. It does eliminate a crew member, but a two or three man crew increases the demands of the small crew, especially in the intense combat environment.
    The Russian tanks also suffer from limited main gun depression, which hurts it's hull down ability.
    The new tank is complex, and complexity is a problem if your technology isn't proven, you have a problem.
    I think the proven western MBTs would be able to handle this in a straight up contest. The Russians can't afford a huge tank fleet  they had in the cold war. They have always have difficulty maintaining simpler proven equipment.
    I think it is more of a parade ground propoganda piece than a battle field show stopper."

    Laughing Rolling Eyes
    and the guy probably considers himself a true untouchable expert... Really sad.


    2nd, "Cole Knapp"

    "The T-14 might sound better on paper. But if the US knows anything, it knows that the Russians are very good at exaggerating. Even if it is better, the Russians are very, very bad at maintaining military equipment. Also, they don't make much of anything. For example, the SU-35 fighter, they have only made 35 of them in 8 years. And currently, who knows how many of them still run. Even if the T-14 was better than the M1 Abrams, It would not be by much, and there will be far more M1s than T-14s."

    Sad  lol1


    3rd, a stereotypical russophobic "pro", "Kit Lars"

    "More propoganda. Remember the "superior" Soviet ICBM rockets with a 65 percent failure-to-fire? Or how about those "superior" Soviet T-72 tanks that flamed up like paper tigers in the Persian Gulf War? And let's not forget the "vastly superior" MiG-15... oh, I mean MiG-21... oh, I mean MiG-25... oh, I mean MiG-29. They all quickly fell prey to US warplanes in each and every arena - Korean War, Vietnam War, Arab-Israeli War, Persian Gulf War, and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

    Yet my personal favorite as a veteran US Army Infantry NCO was the famed Kalashnikov. Oh boy! It was championed as lighter, shorter, more powerful, and vastly more accurate than anything the weak Americans could field. With a magazine-fed gas system and large working spaces, it never needed to be cleaned and still remained reliable while delivering consistent accuracy at 400 meters! The American Intelligence community bought that story hook, line and sinker.

    Right. Right. Right. Only, I've personally trained Romanians, Chinese, and Iraqi soldiers on Kalashnikov weapons for years. I've trained extensively in live-fire, blank-fire simulation in just about every conceivable environment and weather condition with numerous versions of the Kalashnikov. And I carried one in war for a year while serving as an advisor to the Iraqi Army Infantry. Uhm...how do I say this politely? The propaganda was A BIG FAT LIE!

    But THIS tank...this one is THE one. Yep. They really got it this time, and we're all in big trouble this time. Yep. You wait and see, you tiny Americans with your puny M1 Abrams tank. Russia has really done it up right this time.

    There is an old saying in military circles. "The good news is that our product is designed in Russia! The bad news is that it is also made in Russia." "

    So he basically never touched a Russian AK nor any kind of real russian weapon of any time for that matter, but he "knows".  Laughing


    4th,  "hmw_usa"  in reply to "James" who said "the T-14 is not a tank yet, only a prototype.
    However, it's a concept. And it's the best concept ever for a tank."


    "Best concept ever? We have a new russian propaganda troll, James, commenting on this site vomiting lies and nothing but lies. The F-35 is a joke? The Russians dont win anything except sanctions and a collapsing economy. If that's a win, the russians are far more foolish than even their greatest detractors believe. Sukhoi wouldn't stand a chance against A-1o, b/c they would all have been shot out of the sky by the F-35s (that is,. those that managed to stay aloft and not crash soon after takeoff!). US with technological edge. Sounds like you know Mohammed. The F-14, F-15, F-16, F-22 and F-35 are all acknowledged by honest military experts (and not the lying Russian ones who have ot repeat PUtin lies and propaganda) to be superior to russian models."

    Hmm a nice hateful butthurt right there  Smile So Russia winning big time the geopolitical game against all the odds since almost 3 years is "collapsing" ? LOL... Humiliating USA on all fronts sure is collapsing. What a pure dose of joy these fools give me Smile ... Oh, and praising the F-35, priceless Laughing


    5th, "alex488", the typical low-life type of troll.

    "This is a sh-tty tank. and it's designed for an infrastructure that does not exist. In case of direct hit, the crew is blown apart and the tank is irrecoverable. And only midgets can operate it."

    Wow, it blew my mind. confused


    more... "ArchMadman"
    "nothing the a-10 can't handle"

    Probably the lowest of all, yeah, how original.


    "nat y"
    "Russia can't even make their own car. Their missle just miss more target than hit" (about S-300 vs A-10)


    and i'll leave it there...




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