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    Zivo

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Zivo on Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:24 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Thank god the turret isn't the retarded general dynamics stryker MGS-esque EGT piece of shit.

    Looks like there's a bustle. This also means that the turret will have heavy armor and surface area for installing additional weapons. So much for garry's talk about the complete unimportance of turret equipment and armor for the armata.

    The bustle is small, even smaller than the T-90SM's. Watch the video, as Armata passes you get a good look at just how narrow the turret and bustle is. My theory is that only the ammo for the turret mounted secondary weapons is stored there. Which means turret cheek armor isn't necessary. IMO, the turret is shaped and the layout is similar to KBTM's model, but it isn't going to be as "clean"

    In the video, the protrusions in the tarp around the turret ring look like they may conceal a drozd type APS very similar to what's on Object 195.



    Oh, and revealed on a dashcam video at the famous tank crossing... Laughing
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:54 pm

    Too early to judge !
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:47 pm

    Russia’s Armata Tank on Par With US Abrams and German Leopard

    Russia's innovative T-14 Armata tank can compete with the US M1A2 Abrams and the German Leopard 2, a Chinese media source claims.

    Russia's new tank, the T-14 Armata, that will make its first official appearance at Moscow's May 9 Victory Day parade, can compete equally with the US M1A2 Abrams and the German Leopard 2, a Chinese media source pointed out.

    The much-anticipated 5th generation innovative battle vehicle was developed by the Uralvagonzavod Research and Production Corporation and combined the most advanced developments in the design and construction of heavy armored platforms. The multipurpose vehicle will be produced as a battle tank T-14, an infantry fighting vehicle, a combat engineering vehicle, a tank support combat vehicle and a self-propelled artillery platform. The Armata Universal Combat Platform is also designed to be used as sophisticated air defense and nuclear-biological-chemical (NBC) defense systems.

    The T-14 battle tank is equipped with an unmanned remotely controlled turret armed with a new generation 125mm smoothbore cannon — the 2A82-1M. The new 2A82-1M gun boasts 15 to 20 percent improved accuracy compared with the T-90's 2A46M canon. It has also outstripped the German Leopard 2 A6's 120mm gun in muzzle velocity. Reportedly, the T-14 might also be armed with a specially designed 152mm cannon, the most powerful gun ever carried by a main battle tank.

    Remarkably, the armored platform's turret carries a 30mm machine cannon capable of neutralizing low-flying aerial targets, such as drones and helicopters, while its 12.7mm heavy machine gun could be used for both attacking enemy infantry and intercepting shells and anti-tank missiles approaching at speeds up to 3,000 meters per second.

    The designers also developed a multi-layer armored capsule for the Armata's crew. It should also be noted that the multipurpose vehicle is fully computerized.

    The Russian army will reportedly receive around 2,300 T-14 battle tanks by 2020, equipping up to 70 percent of its tank fleet with innovative battle vehicles.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150324/1019956133.html#ixzz3VLGK31fC
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:09 am

    LOL.

    On par with old ass Abrams and Leo2.

    That's rich.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:11 am

    I'm absolutely not one to judge it's lethality and characteristics by its looks

    But that said

    Looks more than crappy.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:16 am

    George1 wrote:Russia’s Armata Tank on Par With US Abrams and German Leopard

    Russia's innovative T-14 Armata tank can compete with the US M1A2 Abrams and the German Leopard 2, a Chinese media source claims.

    Russia's new tank, the T-14 Armata, that will make its first official appearance at Moscow's May 9 Victory Day parade, can compete equally with the US M1A2 Abrams and the German Leopard 2, a Chinese media source pointed out.

    The much-anticipated 5th generation innovative battle vehicle was developed by the Uralvagonzavod Research and Production Corporation and combined the most advanced developments in the design and construction of heavy armored platforms. The multipurpose vehicle will be produced as a battle tank T-14, an infantry fighting vehicle, a combat engineering vehicle, a tank support combat vehicle and a self-propelled artillery platform. The Armata Universal Combat Platform is also designed to be used as sophisticated air defense and nuclear-biological-chemical (NBC) defense systems.

    The T-14 battle tank is equipped with an unmanned remotely controlled turret armed with a new generation 125mm smoothbore cannon — the 2A82-1M. The new 2A82-1M gun boasts 15 to 20 percent improved accuracy compared with the T-90's 2A46M canon. It has also outstripped the German Leopard 2 A6's 120mm gun in muzzle velocity. Reportedly, the T-14 might also be armed with a specially designed 152mm cannon, the most powerful gun ever carried by a main battle tank.

    Remarkably, the armored platform's turret carries a 30mm machine cannon capable of neutralizing low-flying aerial targets, such as drones and helicopters, while its 12.7mm heavy machine gun could be used for both attacking enemy infantry and intercepting shells and anti-tank missiles approaching at speeds up to 3,000 meters per second.

    The designers also developed a multi-layer armored capsule for the Armata's crew. It should also be noted that the multipurpose vehicle is fully computerized.

    The Russian army will reportedly receive around 2,300 T-14 battle tanks by 2020, equipping up to 70 percent of its tank fleet with innovative battle vehicles.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150324/1019956133.html#ixzz3VLGK31fC

    Yes, what a garbage report. The T-90A was already more than on par with Leo2 not to mention Abrams.


    On a side note.. if that is indeed armata. main battle tank.. wouldn't that means the tank will be
    very vulnerable from the sides like their T-72 and only reactive armor be slapped there
    to cover the lack of armor in the sides?

    Every side armor of any tank is weak in comperision what even oldest handheld AT weapons can defeat. The problem is you can not make a tank side armor as thick as frontal armor, otherwise you drive some square shaped bunker with 8 km/h that is still easy and even easier to defeat as they are right now. The armor it has is applique armor and ERA that is the best armor you can have for side along with APS.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:23 am

    To put it simply we have no idea what the hull side thickness is. For all we know,the internal walls are considerably thicker than the ~70mm the T-72 has on its lower sides.

    And of course this tank is driving without applique armor, which is by this point all but certain.

    On another note, I am happy they are using the smaller road wheels...reminds me of the T-80. Always preferred its suspension to the T-72/90.
    Just talking rough analysis here, but the T-14 seemed very smooth int hat short video. Hull totally steady.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:34 am

    flamming_python wrote:I'm absolutely not one to judge it's lethality and characteristics by its looks

    But that said

    Looks more than crappy.

    How can you say that when we don't know what the turret looks like when the tarp is covering it. As I mentioned before the tarp on the tank makes it look deceiving.

    ...Speaking of which here's a new leaked photo of the tarp covering, as you can see here is a good example that the the tarp makes the '5th-gen' Armata look deceiving... Wink


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:00 am

    will it be possible the tank video is from a light version of armata and not the
    heavy main battle tank?

    it doesn't look like the previous model of armata..MBT




    that was supposed to be the one closer to the camera..notice the curves on the side ,
    but the one on video looks like straight line the body, more closer to the designs on the left
    to the futuristic looking tank.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:21 am

    Either it is a different turret than the MBT version or due the cover around the turret and only profile picture of the tank we are decieved by the looks.

    It is probably just the core of the turret just as ugly as the Merkawa turret stripped of its applique armor.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  George1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:24 am

    Werewolf wrote:Either it is a different turret than the MBT version or due the cover around the turret and only profile picture of the tank we are decieved by the looks.

    It is probably just the core of the turret just as ugly as the Merkawa turret stripped of its applique armor.


    i still have questions for the vehicle next to armata
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:28 am

    I hope that turret will be not as tall like on this picture, because it does not look like it is air deployable in one piece, that would be totally unacceptable.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Zivo on Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:38 am

    The shape of the turret is an optical illusion, the flat, round part is more like an oval shape, and the turret is taller and more narrow than it appears on the model from that angle.

    There's the same model from the front.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:41 am

    Zivo wrote:The shape of the turret is an optical illusion, the flat, round part is more like an oval shape, and the turret is taller and more narrow than it appears on the model from that angle.

    There's the same model from the front.


    Can't see your picture dkw.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Zivo on Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:44 am

    That cloaking device... Rolling Eyes

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:45 am

    We'll have to wait untill 9th May, but i still believe they will avoid showing "Afghan" and "Standard" APS.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Zivo on Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:40 am

    I'm not sure if this has been posted.



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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:46 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:


    But that thing doesn't look like the tank in the video.. that is a huge monster. with a huge
    gun.. it can't be the one in the video.. perhaps Russia is not sure yet which final shape the tank
    will have and which gun?

    with so many cameras in every car in Russia.. it will be impossible to hide ARmata for long.. lol
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:04 am

    It is obviously the same tank.

    And there is no mystery what gun it will have. Modernized 2A82 for now.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  runaway on Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:34 am

    TR1 wrote:
    On another note, I am happy they are using the smaller road wheels...reminds me of the T-80. Always preferred its suspension to the T-72/90.
    Just talking rough analysis here, but the T-14 seemed very smooth int hat short video. Hull totally steady.

    The road wheels are not so small, and i certainly hope they havent gone back to the T-64,T-80 suspension as it was inferior to the T-72 and T-90 bigger wheels and suspension.

    If this indeed is the T-14, i suspect its to wide to be travelling by rail with its side armour aplique, therefore it was removed and its lacking in the video.

    Still, i think the T-14 on may 9 will impress, as its a 5th gen tank with a revolutionary design and characteristics.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:11 am

    In what way was T-80s suspension inferior?

    Every Russian tanker/industry person (well ok, not every but most) I have seen has lauded the T-80 for being particularly nimble and smooth.
    Part of that is no doubt its monster HP/weight ratio, but I think the suspension has its part.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  runaway on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:22 am

    TR1 wrote:In what way was T-80s suspension inferior?

    Every Russian tanker/industry person (well ok, not every but most) I have seen has lauded the T-80 for being particularly nimble and smooth.
    Part of that is no doubt its monster HP/weight ratio, but I think the suspension has its part.

    According to Steve Zaloga, the supension with bigger road wheels and ordinary Torsion bar was much preferred over T-64, T-80 pneumatic suspension. Not for the pneumatic wasnt smooth and nimble, it was just very hard on maintenance and quite often broke.



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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:25 am

    T-64 was extremely troublesome for some time, but Zaloga is talking out of his butt about the T-80. Never heard major problems after the type was introduced.
    Remember, the T-80 went back to torsion bar, like T-72.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  runaway on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:37 am

    TR1 wrote:T-64 was extremely troublesome for some time, but Zaloga is talking out of his butt about the T-80. Never heard major problems after the type was introduced.
    Remember, the T-80 went back to torsion bar, like T-72.

    Haha dont blame Steve, i probably remebered wrong!

    "The T-80 reverted back to torsion bar suspension with each side consisting of six forged steel-aluminium rubber-tyred road wheels, drive sprocket at the rear, idler at the front and five return road wheels. The rubber-tyred road wheels are in two halves and bolted together. "




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