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    [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  AZZKIKR on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:09 am



    Oddly enough, from this angle doesnt seem like any of the designs or concept art provided.
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:11 am

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:27 am



    plus, minus 8 cm.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:13 am

    Werewolf wrote:

    plus, minus 8 cm.

    Good job. yes sir

    and it seems it indeed using bustle loader.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:17 am

    Well, if they are indeed 700mm like they say it is on otvaga, however due the bad resolution of picture and the unknown exact angle of the vehicle to the camera (but seems about 90°) there is a little failure quote which should not exceed 10cm at max, but i would guess under 5cm.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  runaway on Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:57 am

    Really sure this is the T-14? Looks almost like an old M60A3... but it only has 6 roadwheels
    And no side skirts? Also the turret seems to be rather large to be unmanned.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  eridan on Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:24 pm

    People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:42 pm

    eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

    Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:04 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

    Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

    What do you think about the main cannon ?
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:35 pm

    AZZKIKR wrote:

    Oddly enough, from this angle doesnt seem like any of the designs or concept art provided.

    Many things can explain that:

    1.) Armata is still a prototype, this may not even be the final unified chassis, just like the engines for the PAK-FA are just the stop gap until the Type 30 engines are ready.

    2.) This is definitely a prototype chassis, missing it's ERA, side-skirts, and whatever modular applique armor that we've seen in concept art.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:37 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

    Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

    What do you think about the main cannon ?

    Hard to tell from that picture or video, but it seems rather unorthodox or just odd.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:38 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:

    plus, minus 8 cm.

    Good job. yes sir

    and it seems it indeed using bustle loader.


    As I predicted, and like I explained before the tarp on the Armata turret, made it artificially look larger than it actually was.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:39 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

    Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

    What do you think about the main cannon ?

    Hard to tell from that picture or video, but it seems rather unorthodox or just odd.

    It's probably not even the final cannon fitted to the prototype T-14 turret.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:41 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

    Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

    What do you think about the main cannon ?

    Hard to tell from that picture or video, but it seems rather unorthodox or just odd.

    It's probably not even the final cannon fitted to the prototype T-14 turret.

    I don't even think that this is the final turret of the T-14 MBT Armata, however it will be much more clear at 9th May.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:56 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

    Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

    What do you think about the main cannon ?

    Hard to tell from that picture or video, but it seems rather unorthodox or just odd.

    It's probably not even the final cannon fitted to the prototype T-14 turret.

    I don't even think that this is the final turret of the T-14 MBT Armata, however it will be much more clear at 9th May.

    May it be T-15 BMPT ?
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:12 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    eridan wrote:People seem to be accepting the rumor that this is indeed T-14. What sort of proof is there that this is in fact so? What other possibilities exist?

    Only proof people accept is the 7 road wheels, but i highly doubt that the turret is T-14.

    What do you think about the main cannon ?

    Hard to tell from that picture or video, but it seems rather unorthodox or just odd.

    It's probably not even the final cannon fitted to the prototype T-14 turret.

    I don't even think that this is the final turret of the T-14 MBT Armata, however it will be much more clear at 9th May.

    May it be T-15 BMPT ?

    I do believe that this is an entirely different turret and not the MBT turret at all. We know that the chassis are unified, but all people jumped immidiatley to the conclusion that this is T-14 MBT due the 7 road wheels. To me it does not represent the concept. The turret seems rather small for autloader with after turret bustle feeding system. The concept on T-64/80 and T-72/90 was two seperated ammunitions which are made of paper like material that are highly flammable, due this kind of ammunition the entire internal volume had to be reduced, meaning no fuel inside the vehicle, no pipes inside that could catch fire and end fatal for tank and crew. This turret seems tall, but rather shorter than expected and i don't think it houses a horizontal autoloader but a vertical one from the hull of it with seperated ammunition and propellant, from the looks of it, the chassis is larger than T-72/90 which means the fuel is back inside of the chassis which means non seperated ammunition, which probably means hard case ammunition will be used.
    That is the reason i doubt that this is T-14 turret.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Kyo on Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:42 pm



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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:15 pm

    First clear-ish look at an Armata T-14 MBT. No side armour modules, and turret is concealed of course, but still very cool Cool




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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  etaepsilonk on Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:06 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    I do believe that this is an entirely different turret and not the MBT turret at all. We know that the chassis are unified, but all people jumped immidiatley to the conclusion that this is T-14 MBT due the 7 road wheels. To me it does not represent the concept. The turret seems rather small for autloader with after turret bustle feeding system. The concept on T-64/80 and T-72/90 was two seperated ammunitions which are made of paper like material that are highly flammable, due this kind of ammunition the entire internal volume had to be reduced, meaning no fuel inside the vehicle, no pipes inside that could catch fire and end fatal for tank and crew. This turret seems tall, but rather shorter than expected and i don't think it houses a horizontal autoloader but a vertical one from the hull of it with seperated ammunition and propellant, from the looks of it, the chassis is larger than T-72/90 which means the fuel is back inside of the chassis which means non seperated ammunition, which probably means hard case ammunition will be used.
    That is the reason i doubt that this is T-14 turret.

    Since none of the crew is in turret anymore, horizontal autoloader would present practically no advantages over a vertical one, but plenty of disadvantages.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Shadåw on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:50 pm

    Me and a friend suspect the T-14 "Armata" carries a Leclerc style fume extractor.

    <-- the thing on top of the barrel in the mantle
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:56 pm

    Thank god the turret isn't the retarded general dynamics stryker MGS-esque EGT piece of shit.

    Looks like there's a bustle. This also means that the turret will have heavy armor and surface area for installing additional weapons. So much for garry's talk about the complete unimportance of turret equipment and armor for the armata.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:24 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    AZZKIKR wrote:

    Oddly enough, from this angle doesnt seem like any of the designs or concept art provided.

    Many things can explain that:

    1.) Armata is still a prototype, this may not even be the final unified chassis, just like the engines for the PAK-FA are just the stop gap until the Type 30 engines are ready.

    2.) This is definitely a prototype chassis, missing it's ERA, side-skirts, and whatever modular applique armor that we've seen in concept art.

    Indeed sounds a possibility..

    But if Russia government have plans to show this unfinished world war 2 like tank in may 8 , to the world.. as their latest most advanced tank ever ,after 20 years the T-90 enter service.  then they will be better not show anything at all.. until is 100% finished and looks like something very advanced and modern. that represent how capable is Russia in creating next generation tanks. This is more true ,when they have invited many world leaders to the ceremonies..  They should not show the armata on any parade ,if it looks like an unfinished tank. Because instead of impressing the world.. it will only provoke well deserved jokes.

     But Russia Government have their own very bad soviet habits of not caring for the appearance of things most of the times.. about how it matters too.. for sales and psicological impact too. and being more worried about functionality ,durability and price.Their pak-fa looks like an unfinished next generation stealth plane and i will not expect any better from their armata.. wonder if they bother to cover the sides at least with something and add some paint.

    Im not surprised in any way ,that the first images of armata fails to impress ..maybe when it goes into production they will finish it.. and do something nicer.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:34 pm

    Functionality and durability means a lot more than looks.....

    Autocorrect....


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:41 pm

    On a side note.. if that is indeed armata. main battle tank.. wouldn't that means the tank will be
    very vulnerable from the sides like their T-72 and only reactive armor be slapped there
    to cover the lack of armor in the sides?
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion thread #2

    Post  medo on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:53 pm

    Hardly wait to see this tank on parade with all armor placed on their places.

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