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    Post  Zivo on Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:27 am

    That's an interesting development.

    "[...]many countries are developing high-power lasers capable of destroying optical sensors used in various types of weaponry[...]"

    I wonder if when used on a missile's IR seeker, if the missile could still effectively hit the target during a DIRCM attack. I'm not exactly sure what he means by "destroying" in this context.

    Lasers can easily damage cameras. Infrared optics on tanks, helicopters, UAV's and such are susceptible to laser attack. It doesn't have to be a DIRCM.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:21 am

    Good development, against MBTs that solely depend on thermals, blinding them would amount to an f-kill at night and at adverse conditions.
    The russkies realized this and are now developing AESA for MBTs. I think a coax laser that can be used to blind cameras as standard equipment would be nice- it would have to be huge at first since it must do more than dazzle cameras but destroy the elements inside.
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    Post  Zivo on Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:53 am

    The lasers at music concerts have been known to destroy cameras.

    The film coating on the sensors of digital cameras can be burned by certain lasers. The damage is permanent.

    Here's two images showing the effects of lasers on a digital camera.

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    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:13 am

    A filter that acts like a circuit breaker when too much light energy is channeled would be a nice countermeasure. If it gets burned out, it will get replaced automatically. An AESA tho is still the best solution since lasers are not that much effective against radar elements.
    A BMPT with laser dazzler would be nice- anyone aiming down a reflective scope would be blinded immediately and get torn to shreds with 30mm cannon fire. Tank duels would never be same too, against mbts with both radar and thermals, a thermal only tank would have to resort to less agressive tactics and coax his enemy to be closer, so that the emergency manual sight would still be effective  Twisted Evil 
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:56 pm

    I wonder if when used on a missile's IR seeker, if the missile could still effectively hit the target during a DIRCM attack. I'm not exactly sure what he means by "destroying" in this context.

    Different DIRCMs work in different ways... some low powered systems work by dazzling the target sensor so it can't distinguish the target and therefore will miss. Others work by actually damaging the optics (ie lenses/crystal optical ports) that lead to the threat sensor... a thermal imager for instance can't see through normal glass and needs a crystal lense... a low power laser that distorts that lense so that it heats up and blocks the IR frequency the sensor operates at will effectively blind the sensor.

    thirdly there are the high power lasers that actually damage the light sensitive elements in the detector and reduce their performance so they can no longer do their job.

    Lasers can easily damage cameras. Infrared optics on tanks, helicopters, UAV's and such are susceptible to laser attack. It doesn't have to be a DIRCM.

    The Russians have several systems for detecting and damaging optics including plain rifle scopes.

    it would have to be huge at first since it must do more than dazzle cameras but destroy the elements inside.

    The old optics sensing systems were large... 25+kgs large, but new systems are contained within binoculars. The power requirements will have gone up, but that doesn't mean the system itself needs to be bigger... especially when it can plug in to the power from the engine.



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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I wonder if when used on a missile's IR seeker, if the missile could still effectively hit the target during a DIRCM attack. I'm not exactly sure what he means by "destroying" in this context.

    Different DIRCMs work in different ways... some low powered systems work by dazzling the target sensor so it can't distinguish the target and therefore will miss. Others work by actually damaging the optics (ie lenses/crystal optical ports) that lead to the threat sensor... a thermal imager for instance can't see through normal glass and needs a crystal lense... a low power laser that distorts that lense so that it heats up and blocks the IR frequency the sensor operates at will effectively blind the sensor.

    thirdly there are the high power lasers that actually damage the light sensitive elements in the detector and reduce their performance so they can no longer do their job.

    Lasers can easily damage cameras. Infrared optics on tanks, helicopters, UAV's and such are susceptible to laser attack. It doesn't have to be a DIRCM.

    The Russians have several systems for detecting and damaging optics including plain rifle scopes.

    it would have to be huge at first since it must do more than dazzle cameras but destroy the elements inside.

    The old optics sensing systems were large... 25+kgs large, but new systems are contained within binoculars. The power requirements will have gone up, but that doesn't mean the system itself needs to be bigger... especially when it can plug in to the power from the engine.


    During the Cold War the Soviet Union had invented this little Laser Tank, that was designed to drive along Tank divisions and destroy Thermal sights of enemy tank divisions with a high powered Laser Flashing several tanks over 3-4 km away.

    The goal was to damage the TIS of enemy tanks so they couldn't operate under normal conditions and were crippled to manual fire and not due TIS of the FC.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:04 pm

    funny, it was the sovs who were the first to introduce the prism tank  Razz .
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    "[...]many countries are developing high-power lasers capable of destroying optical sensors used in various types of weaponry[...]"

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:15 am



    They did it with tanks...



    Air Defence Vehicles...



    And customised vehicles (Stilleto) Using the chassis from the 2S4...


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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:12 pm


    This reads like radical US reich-wing scaremongering from the old Cold War hysteria days. The Challenger accident caused by Soviet energy weapon attack? Pfftt... This is just a ham-fisted attempt at trying to scare gullible Amerikan fools to demand their Congressman vote for Star-Wars program funding to "catch-up" to the Evil Russians. We've seen this kind of unsophisticated agitprop before, and its very clumsy and unprofessional.

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    Post  victor1985 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:26 pm

    sound weapons are better than rifles, can shoot down an helicopter , can destroy missiles optic electronic sistems, can destroy cameras, can destroy anything that is made of glass or other material.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:32 pm

    What? Neutral

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    Post  victor1985 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:46 pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon
    like this
    but more powerfull. a full truck dedicated to have a sonic weapons would destroy missiles eyes....
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:42 pm

    I don't know any operating sonic weapons, the last thing i heared was that US researched them and made some of their "volunteers" deaf somewhere in 70-80's.
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    Post  Regular on Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:59 pm

    I've heard about Soviet sonic weapons used to disperse crowds in Moscow Putch. Apart from crowd control sonic weapons didnt find their she

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    Post  victor1985 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:40 pm

    the point is that missiles IR sensor is very sensitive and can be damaged by sonic beam
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:33 pm

    victor1985 wrote:the point is that missiles IR sensor is very sensitive and can be damaged by sonic beam

    There is already a functioning technology for IR sensors of missile the DIRCM and in active service with some aircrafts like Ka-52,Mi-8 and will get to more aircrafts over the years.

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    Post  victor1985 on Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:50 am

    well i'm happy to read this
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:56 am

    Sonic weapons lack effective range right now, and what sort of performance would they have against a laser beam riding missile like Vikhr-M, or radio command guided Krisantema... whose laser sensors face back towards the launch platform and the guiding laser beam is over 1,000 times less powerful than a laser homing beam?


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    Post  nemrod on Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:14 pm

    I did not find where you put this subject, if there exists a such topic, feel free to move it.
    I need to understand how it works, is it a laser ? If a such topic does not exist, please could you create a special topic about russian laser, I suspect russians are well advanced.





    MOSCOW,June 15(Sputnik)--Russia has developed super-high-frequency gun capable of deactivating unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and the warheads of precision weapons at an impact range of ten kilometers which ensure 360 degrees of perimeter defense.
    Russia’s United Instrument Manufacturing Corporation (UIMC), part of Rostec Corporation, has announced that it developed a super-high-frequency gun for BUK missile systems.

    Russia to Show Newest Aircraft at Upcoming Army-2015 Expo in Moscow Region
    The newly-developed equipment is capable of deactivating the radio electronics of UAVs and the warheads of precision weapons, according to a representative of the corporation.

    The equipment, informally named the microwave gun, has been developed for the needs of Russia’s Defense Ministry and will be demonstrated during the closed part of Army-2015, an international event organized by the Russian Defense Ministry, the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos) and state technology corporation Rostec, which will be held on June 16-19.

    “The new system is equipped with a high-power relativistic generator and reflector antenna, management and control system, and a transmission system which is fixed on the chassis of BUK surface-to-air missile systems. When mounted on a special platform, the ‘microwave gun’ is capable of ensuring perimeter defense at 360 degrees,” the representative said.
    The system is capable of out-of-band suppression of the radio electronic equipment of low-altitude aircraft and the assault elements of precision weapons. The gun is able to deactivate the equipment of aircraft and UAVs, and neutralize precision weapons.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:16 pm

    ''Russia Gives Soviet-Era Laser Tank New Lease on Life

    Russian engineers are working to breathe new life in Soviet-era plans to develop a laser tank, a staple of Hollywood blockbusters and video games, Russian media reported''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150716/1024696701.html
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:48 pm

    History of Laser development in Soviet Union.

    http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/Engl.High.Energy.Lasers.pdf

    Well.. so there was a "Laser City"

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    Post  andalusia on Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:14 pm

    Is Russia underestimating the potential of laser technology by the United States? Furthermore, is Russia developing lasers of their own?

    http://breakingdefense.com/2015/02/are-missile-defense-lasers-on-the-verge-of-reality/
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    Post  kvs on Sun Aug 09, 2015 5:45 pm

    andalusia wrote:Is Russia underestimating the potential of laser technology by the United States? Furthermore, is Russia developing lasers of their own?

    http://breakingdefense.com/2015/02/are-missile-defense-lasers-on-the-verge-of-reality/

    The big difference today is small fiber lasers. Each fiber individually generates at most 10 kw, but you can combine their beams to get greater power output. Yet you can still cool each fiber individually, which prevents the overheating problems that bedeviled older lasers.

    The above is from the article and guess which company revolutionized fiber laser technology and its industrial application.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPG_Photonics

    http://www.ipgphotonics.com/

    Not long ago some clown dismissed the Russian link by harping on the company's US base of operations. That is a totally
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