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    Post  Zivo on Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:27 am

    That's an interesting development.

    "[...]many countries are developing high-power lasers capable of destroying optical sensors used in various types of weaponry[...]"

    I wonder if when used on a missile's IR seeker, if the missile could still effectively hit the target during a DIRCM attack. I'm not exactly sure what he means by "destroying" in this context.

    Lasers can easily damage cameras. Infrared optics on tanks, helicopters, UAV's and such are susceptible to laser attack. It doesn't have to be a DIRCM.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:21 am

    Good development, against MBTs that solely depend on thermals, blinding them would amount to an f-kill at night and at adverse conditions.
    The russkies realized this and are now developing AESA for MBTs. I think a coax laser that can be used to blind cameras as standard equipment would be nice- it would have to be huge at first since it must do more than dazzle cameras but destroy the elements inside.
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    Post  Zivo on Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:53 am

    The lasers at music concerts have been known to destroy cameras.

    The film coating on the sensors of digital cameras can be burned by certain lasers. The damage is permanent.

    Here's two images showing the effects of lasers on a digital camera.

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    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:13 am

    A filter that acts like a circuit breaker when too much light energy is channeled would be a nice countermeasure. If it gets burned out, it will get replaced automatically. An AESA tho is still the best solution since lasers are not that much effective against radar elements.
    A BMPT with laser dazzler would be nice- anyone aiming down a reflective scope would be blinded immediately and get torn to shreds with 30mm cannon fire. Tank duels would never be same too, against mbts with both radar and thermals, a thermal only tank would have to resort to less agressive tactics and coax his enemy to be closer, so that the emergency manual sight would still be effective  Twisted Evil 
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:56 pm

    I wonder if when used on a missile's IR seeker, if the missile could still effectively hit the target during a DIRCM attack. I'm not exactly sure what he means by "destroying" in this context.

    Different DIRCMs work in different ways... some low powered systems work by dazzling the target sensor so it can't distinguish the target and therefore will miss. Others work by actually damaging the optics (ie lenses/crystal optical ports) that lead to the threat sensor... a thermal imager for instance can't see through normal glass and needs a crystal lense... a low power laser that distorts that lense so that it heats up and blocks the IR frequency the sensor operates at will effectively blind the sensor.

    thirdly there are the high power lasers that actually damage the light sensitive elements in the detector and reduce their performance so they can no longer do their job.

    Lasers can easily damage cameras. Infrared optics on tanks, helicopters, UAV's and such are susceptible to laser attack. It doesn't have to be a DIRCM.

    The Russians have several systems for detecting and damaging optics including plain rifle scopes.

    it would have to be huge at first since it must do more than dazzle cameras but destroy the elements inside.

    The old optics sensing systems were large... 25+kgs large, but new systems are contained within binoculars. The power requirements will have gone up, but that doesn't mean the system itself needs to be bigger... especially when it can plug in to the power from the engine.



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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I wonder if when used on a missile's IR seeker, if the missile could still effectively hit the target during a DIRCM attack. I'm not exactly sure what he means by "destroying" in this context.

    Different DIRCMs work in different ways... some low powered systems work by dazzling the target sensor so it can't distinguish the target and therefore will miss. Others work by actually damaging the optics (ie lenses/crystal optical ports) that lead to the threat sensor... a thermal imager for instance can't see through normal glass and needs a crystal lense... a low power laser that distorts that lense so that it heats up and blocks the IR frequency the sensor operates at will effectively blind the sensor.

    thirdly there are the high power lasers that actually damage the light sensitive elements in the detector and reduce their performance so they can no longer do their job.

    Lasers can easily damage cameras. Infrared optics on tanks, helicopters, UAV's and such are susceptible to laser attack. It doesn't have to be a DIRCM.

    The Russians have several systems for detecting and damaging optics including plain rifle scopes.

    it would have to be huge at first since it must do more than dazzle cameras but destroy the elements inside.

    The old optics sensing systems were large... 25+kgs large, but new systems are contained within binoculars. The power requirements will have gone up, but that doesn't mean the system itself needs to be bigger... especially when it can plug in to the power from the engine.


    During the Cold War the Soviet Union had invented this little Laser Tank, that was designed to drive along Tank divisions and destroy Thermal sights of enemy tank divisions with a high powered Laser Flashing several tanks over 3-4 km away.

    The goal was to damage the TIS of enemy tanks so they couldn't operate under normal conditions and were crippled to manual fire and not due TIS of the FC.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:04 pm

    funny, it was the sovs who were the first to introduce the prism tank  Razz .
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:15 am



    They did it with tanks...



    Air Defence Vehicles...



    And customised vehicles (Stilleto) Using the chassis from the 2S4...


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    Post  Sujoy on Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:09 pm



    It was a busy fall season in the world of military laser warfare. In September, Boeing unveiled its truck-mounted 10-kilowatt High Energy Laser Mobile Demonstrator, capable of knocking out drones and even missiles.
    In November, the commander of the Fifth Fleet of the U.S. Navy, Vice Admiral John Miller, confirmed receipt of the first combat laser and its installation on the amphibious assault ship USS Ponce.
    China also announced the development of a laser that can shoot down small aerial targets. And while little is revealed publicly, Russia has not let its laser development program idle either.
    At the current stage of development, rocket technology is still far superior to existing laser weapon capacity. But the quest to harness laser power is also about the cost of a single shot.
    All missile technology is costly, but when used over long distances this requires additional navigation systems, a large fuel load and other line items that drive up the cost of a single strike. The attraction of lasers remains their simple power to effect ratio: Firing one costs as much as generating the power it consumes.
    This was also a guiding principle when the Soviet Union powered up its laser program in the 1960s at the top-secret "Astrophysics" scientific research and production centre. Appointed to head it in 1978 was the talented physicist Nikolai Ustinov, son of the powerful Soviet Defence Minister Dmitry Ustinov.

    Stiletto

    But technology at the time did not enable the construction of mobile lasers powerful enough to destroy a target. So researchers instead focused on ‘blinding’ a tank, self-propelled gun or low-flying helicopter by targeting photo-sensors in its optical sighting systems. Once these are neutralized, the vehicle or aircraft becomes easy prey.
    Laser guidance systems had now been developed in anti-missile laser systems. The SLK 1K11 Stiletto uses radar to detect a target, probes it with a laser to detect any lens gleam and hits the spot with a powerful laser impulse.
    The system was fitted with a mobile power supply and installed on the chassis of a tracked mine-laying vehicle. The Stiletto was delivered to the Red Army in this form in 1982 but was still classed as experimental. While only two units were ever produced, it is formally still in service with the Russian Army.

    Sanguine

    The year after Stiletto became suitable for service, Astrophysics began work on a more advanced device that was originally conceived for air defence, a laser equivalent of the Shilka self-propelled anti-aircraft system.
    Unlike the Stiletto, Sanguine was a modern variant that eschewed bulky mirrors and could be fired vertically. A laser cannon mounted on the Shilka platform could disable a helicopter’s optical system at a range of 6 miles and disable it entirely at 5 miles.

    Szhatiye

    But the pinnacle of Soviet physicists’ laser research was the 1K17 Szhatiye (compression) project which went into service in 1992. While resembling the Buratino (Pinocchio) salvo-firing rocket and heavy flamethrower systems, Szhatiye’s 12 barrels did not hold rockets but multi-line lasers. Each had its own frequency band and internal guidance system, which were impervious to enemy filter systems.
    The weapon comprised a solid-state laser with fluorescent energizing lights similar to those of the American ZEUS remote demining system. Because of its powerful generator and power plant, Szhatiye was mounted on the chassis of the heavy Msta-S self-propelled gun. The system is still classified and there is no open data on characteristics like the range, firing rate or number of simultaneously engaged targets.
    Its range may be presumed to be no less than Sanguine’s, so twice the effective range of a modern tank. But while impressive on the drawing board, this must be set against the laser’s main disadvantage: the need for a clear line of sight in order to hit a target.
    Shooting at point-blank range in combat conditions is also hampered by terrain relief, rendering such systems largely impractical.
    But as evidenced by U.S. and Chinese activity, the use of lasers against guided missiles, helicopters and UAV drones (where using conventional missiles is prohibitively expensive), is a strong incentive for further development.

    Dal

    The collapse of the Soviet Union slammed the brakes on science and technology development in Russia for several years. Many items ended up as exhibits, including units built by Astrophysics, and examples are still surfacing unexpectedly. While the first Stiletto built probably saw some use, a second without laser sighting was found by enthusiasts in a factory in the Ukrainian city of Kharkov in 2010.
    The fate of Sanguin and Aquilon is not known, but at least one Szhatiye system made it into the public eye, now displayed in a museum in Ivanovskoye near Moscow.
    One Astrophysics brainchild did make it into full military service, however. The KDHR-1H Dal chemical detection and monitoring system uses a laser radar to locate sources of contamination, scanning 45 square miles in 60 seconds.
    After detecting a toxic cloud, Dal calculates its coordinates and linear dimensions. The system’s automatic operating time without refuelling is 130 hours, and three hours after a 500km drive. A unique piece of equipment when it was first introduced in 1988, Distance remains in service with the Russian Army.

    http://in.rbth.com/arts/2014/11/25/laser_warfare_and_tank-based_systems_39931.html
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    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:47 am

    Soviet Scalar Electromagnetic Directed Energy Weapons – Part 1

    Soviet Scalar Electromagnetic Directed Energy Weapons – Part 2
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:12 pm

    George1 wrote:Soviet Scalar Electromagnetic Directed Energy Weapons – Part 1

    Soviet Scalar Electromagnetic Directed Energy Weapons – Part 2

    This reads like radical US reich-wing scaremongering from the old Cold War hysteria days. The Challenger accident caused by Soviet energy weapon attack? Pfftt... This is just a ham-fisted attempt at trying to scare gullible Amerikan fools to demand their Congressman vote for Star-Wars program funding to "catch-up" to the Evil Russians. We've seen this kind of unsophisticated agitprop before, and its very clumsy and unprofessional.

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    Post  victor1985 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:26 pm

    sound weapons are better than rifles, can shoot down an helicopter , can destroy missiles optic electronic sistems, can destroy cameras, can destroy anything that is made of glass or other material.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:32 pm

    What? Neutral

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    Post  victor1985 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:46 pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon
    like this
    but more powerfull. a full truck dedicated to have a sonic weapons would destroy missiles eyes....
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:42 pm

    I don't know any operating sonic weapons, the last thing i heared was that US researched them and made some of their "volunteers" deaf somewhere in 70-80's.
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    Post  Regular on Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:59 pm

    I've heard about Soviet sonic weapons used to disperse crowds in Moscow Putch. Apart from crowd control sonic weapons didnt find their she

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    Post  victor1985 on Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:40 pm

    the point is that missiles IR sensor is very sensitive and can be damaged by sonic beam
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:33 pm

    victor1985 wrote:the point is that missiles IR sensor is very sensitive and can be damaged by sonic beam

    There is already a functioning technology for IR sensors of missile the DIRCM and in active service with some aircrafts like Ka-52,Mi-8 and will get to more aircrafts over the years.

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    Post  victor1985 on Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:50 am

    well i'm happy to read this
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:56 am

    Sonic weapons lack effective range right now, and what sort of performance would they have against a laser beam riding missile like Vikhr-M, or radio command guided Krisantema... whose laser sensors face back towards the launch platform and the guiding laser beam is over 1,000 times less powerful than a laser homing beam?


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    Post  nemrod on Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:14 pm

    I did not find where you put this subject, if there exists a such topic, feel free to move it.
    I need to understand how it works, is it a laser ? If a such topic does not exist, please could you create a special topic about russian laser, I suspect russians are well advanced.





    MOSCOW,June 15(Sputnik)--Russia has developed super-high-frequency gun capable of deactivating unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) and the warheads of precision weapons at an impact range of ten kilometers which ensure 360 degrees of perimeter defense.
    Russia’s United Instrument Manufacturing Corporation (UIMC), part of Rostec Corporation, has announced that it developed a super-high-frequency gun for BUK missile systems.

    Russia to Show Newest Aircraft at Upcoming Army-2015 Expo in Moscow Region
    The newly-developed equipment is capable of deactivating the radio electronics of UAVs and the warheads of precision weapons, according to a representative of the corporation.

    The equipment, informally named the microwave gun, has been developed for the needs of Russia’s Defense Ministry and will be demonstrated during the closed part of Army-2015, an international event organized by the Russian Defense Ministry, the Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos) and state technology corporation Rostec, which will be held on June 16-19.

    “The new system is equipped with a high-power relativistic generator and reflector antenna, management and control system, and a transmission system which is fixed on the chassis of BUK surface-to-air missile systems. When mounted on a special platform, the ‘microwave gun’ is capable of ensuring perimeter defense at 360 degrees,” the representative said.
    The system is capable of out-of-band suppression of the radio electronic equipment of low-altitude aircraft and the assault elements of precision weapons. The gun is able to deactivate the equipment of aircraft and UAVs, and neutralize precision weapons.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:16 pm

    ''Russia Gives Soviet-Era Laser Tank New Lease on Life

    Russian engineers are working to breathe new life in Soviet-era plans to develop a laser tank, a staple of Hollywood blockbusters and video games, Russian media reported''

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150716/1024696701.html
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:48 pm

    History of Laser development in Soviet Union.

    http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/Engl.High.Energy.Lasers.pdf

    Well.. so there was a "Laser City"

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    Post  andalusia on Sat Aug 08, 2015 11:14 pm

    Is Russia underestimating the potential of laser technology by the United States? Furthermore, is Russia developing lasers of their own?

    http://breakingdefense.com/2015/02/are-missile-defense-lasers-on-the-verge-of-reality/

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