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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:24 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Got suspended due to insulting someone because of their double standards and misreading what I said in the Ukrainian thread. I stopped altogether going there as the anti anything Russian was disgusting. Im OK with criticism of any country, but they go to lengths that they think they speak truth but go as far as being racist.

    ...It's a Neo-Con fear-mongering website, what do you expect? Neo-Con's are irrational solipsists by nature, the outside world doesn't exist outside their mind...or their mother's basements. Wink 

    Take for example their patently absurd support for Israel against Hamas, they can't seem to reconcile with the fact that the Israel Defense Force created Hamas, even if it comes from the mouths of former leaders of the IDF, even if it comes from a famous newspaper that comes from the Neo-Con sphere of influence (Wallstreet Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and before he bought the newspaper the Wallstreet Journal militantly supported the WMD's in Iraq theory and the consequent invasion):

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    Another example is their patently absurd support for the Iraq war and Afghanistan war, even though the respective govt's put in power such as Maliki's and Karzai's govt's were not only Pro-Russian and Pro-Putin, they were also Pro-Iranian, and not only just that but Karzai is on record saying he would side with Pakistan against the United States if they would ever go to war with each other lol1 :

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Viktor on Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:40 pm

    These things could come in handy in Russian Artic brigades Very Happy

    Russia's Defense Ministry plans to buy a large consignment of tractors "GAZ-3344-20"
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:32 am

    Engineering Technologies exhibition is starting tomorrow.
    It is also known as MAKS for TANKS.
    Possibly there will be some novelties revealed.

    http://www.oboronexpo.ru/
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:36 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Engineering Technologies exhibition is starting tomorrow.
    It is also known as MAKS for TANKS.
    Possibly there will be some novelties revealed.

    http://www.oboronexpo.ru/

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Mike E on Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:00 am

    All those vehicles make me drool... Embarassed 

    Just to let others know, the guy who uploaded this video has more videos on the same show.

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:23 pm

    New Issue of Air Fleet and Arms Magazine

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:25 am

    Luchnik-E short-range self-propelled air-defense missile system based on Strelets - Igla complex

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  George1 on Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:27 am

    A young woman with a Pecheneg SP light machine gun


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:37 pm


    Russian Land Forces development priorities
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:11 pm

    I don't know if its already posted, but here's the AEK-973 accompanying Ratnik:


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:26 pm

    I read on MP.net that AEK-973 beat the shit out of AK-12 in Army evaluation test between the two.

    According to people in mp.net AK-12 is just a sexed up system with just incremental feature to offer and AEK-973 is more robust and impressive
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:37 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I don't know if its already posted, but here's the AEK-973 accompanying Ratnik:


    That's an AEK-971, you see the calibre engraved on the side (5.45x39mm).


    I read on MP.net that AEK-973 beat the shit out of AK-12 in Army evaluation test between the two. According to people in mp.net AK-12 is just a sexed up system with just incremental feature to offer and AEK-973 is more robust and impressive wrote:

    And is there also a source to the results of that?

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:40 pm

    No source but Khathi from mp.net mentioned
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:28 pm

    Khathi is quite accurate in his statements. So I trust it.
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:54 pm

    From Oboronexpo 2014:

    New SNAR-10M1 1RL232-2M battlefield surveillance radar unveiled at Oboronexpo 2014 in Russia.

    At the Defense Exhibition Oboronexpo 2014 in Russia, NPO Strela presents a modernized version of the battlefield surveillance radar SNAR-10 (NATO code name Big Fred). The SNAR-10M1 (Russian name 1RL232-2M) is a mobile surveillance radar used to locate moving ground and sea-surface targets.



    «SNAR-10M1» is designed for location of moving convoys (rocket, artillery and mechanized units), single moving ground targets (tank, car, armored personnel carrier, group of people, single person), sea-surface targets (motor boat, ship, assault landing craft, etc.) and low-flying targets (helicopter, sports plane, UAV). High accuracy of location for targets and bursts of shells and mortar bombs allows the radar to be used for adjustment of own artillery fire.

    The radar system is equipped with modern intercommunication and external communication facilities for automated data transmission, and an autonomous navigation system with digital terrain maps and satellite navigation subsystem. Standard equipment of the SNAR-10M1 includes autonomous navigation facilities with GLONASS/GPS, digital terrain map, intercommunication and external communication facilities and data transmission equipment.

    The latest radar equipment and high-performance operator workstations enable reconnaissance and radar data processing for ranges up to 40 km.
    The radar system has the standard power supply system with a low-noise diesel power generator, an air conditioner, a heater and filtering/ventilation facilities providing comfortable working conditions in the crew compartment.

    The radar system is mounted on a standard MT-LB multipurpose tracked armoured vehicle. The hull of the MT-LB is all-welded steel armour with the crew compartment at the front, engine immediately behind the crew compartment on the left side and the troop compartment at the rear of the hull. The all-welded steel armour provides the occupants with protection from small arms fire and shell splinters.

    For its self-protection, the MT-LB is armed with a 7.62mm PKT light machine gun. The SNAR-10M1 has a crew of four soldiers and the radar system is able to operate autonomously up to 3 days.





    http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/new_snar-10m1_1rl232-2m_battlefield_surveillance_radar_unveiled_at_oboronexpo_2014_in_russia_1408145.html

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:54 am

    The main problem is that Kalashnikov is offering AK12 in the sense that it is a T-90AM... ie a T-72 with all the possible upgrades imaginable without starting again from scratch.

    the problem is that the AEK rifle isn't actually all that revolutionary and has been in competition with the AK for decades.

    It is not so much the T-90AM vs Armata, it is more like T-90AM vs the latest Ukrainian version of T-80 but that is made in Russia so you can't just make it as simple as picking the Russian one.

    In many ways it is also like aircraft in the sense that for most of the Soviet period MiG dominated the fighter market, but then Sukhoi came out with their Su-27 so after the end of the cold war the Su-27 had certain features that appeared to make it better than the MiG-29.

    Sukhoi became rich and strong through export dollars and MiG struggled.

    the situation today would be comparable to the Russian AF choosing the MiG-35 over the Su-35 just because they are sick of having Sukhoi dominate everything.

    In other words change from AK because they have had their time.

    Different sources will have their own bias... for all we know the person Khathi got the information from just doesn't like Kalashnikov.

    I have pictures of early model Ratnik with AN-94 so seeing current Ratnik with an AEK rifle does not mean anything.

    Another critical factor is that the AK12 is a family of weapons because there are several weapons that need replacing... does AEK offer all the weapon types too?


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:01 am

    And what specific models you speaking about from AK models that ought to be replaced by AEK in case with AEK goes as main weapon?

    We know assault rifles and shorter versions as AKS-74u and some versions for Special Forces, but what else you have in mind?
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:19 am

    New drone surveillance vehicle:

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:01 am

    We know assault rifles and shorter versions as AKS-74u and some versions for Special Forces, but what else you have in mind?

    There will likely be a LMG version of AK12 and the larger calibre models could be used as DMR or SVD replacements.



    This image shows the rifle, the carbine, the SMG, and the LMG... a 7.62 x 54mm or indeed a 6 x 49mm version would add a DMR version to the mix.

    That equates to the AK-74M, AK-105, AKS-74U, RPK-74M, and SVD.

    There is talk of a pistol too but I have not seen any images related to that yet.


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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:18 am

    MSC soon expects to complete the testing of the new active protection system for armored vehicles



    Zhukovsky (Moscow region), on August 14. ( ARMS-TASS ). JSC "SPC" Engineering Design Bureau "(MSC) in the near future Plans to Complete Testing of the New active protection system (KAZ) for Prospective armored Vehicles. Said in an exclusive interview with ARMS-TASS at "Oboronekspo 2014" today's general director - general Designer MSC Valery Kashin.

    "Those requirements that Nizhny Tagil / Corporation" Uralvagonzavod "- approx. ARMS-TASS / put forward a new active protection system differed significantly from that layout KAZ, which was made for the T-80 tanks - said Cashin. - As a result, it took a significant rearrangement the entire complex and conduct appropriate tests. "

    "I hope that in the near future trials will be completed," - he added.

    As Previously Reported ARMS-TASS, in the 1990s. the Largest Manufacturer of American armored Vehicles - the Company "General Dynamics Land Systems" (General Dynamics Land Systems) has Been Interested in the purchase of Russian KAZ "Arena". One of the Requirements of the American Side WAS required to Provide copies of Combat "Arena" for the Tests on the American Site. HOWEVER, the Russian Side refused to Take this Step, considering That as A Result of the transfer KAZ "Arena" for Testing in the United States will be lost series of sensitive technologies.

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:18 pm

    Nice Interview

    MIC deputy chairman Oleg Bochkarev on the development of the defense industry in terms of sanctions

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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:53 am

    More photos of the (heavily inspired by H&K) modernized AEK:

















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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Mike E on Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:40 am

    I get what you mean by "inspired" but it just looks "tacticool" more than anything...
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    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:08 am

    I have served for 4 years with HK G36 and the magazine, well i hate it, the grip is ok but compared with G3 grip or the AK-74M grip i find it better and the buttstock, let me put it this way 1 year and you need a new one. I've worked in ordanance and the average time in just a recruiting base for G-36 was 4 years and after that it had to be send back to HK to exchange it for a new one. To good that AEK and AK are not entirely made of plastic like G-36.

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