Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Share
    avatar
    Morpheus Eberhardt

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2066
    Join date : 2013-05-20

    Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:09 am

    Rounds for T-62MA2 Tank

    No 6 and No 9 show the gun-launched surface-to-air missile 9M395T, Berkut.

    No 3 depicting Titan is interesting too.

    No 4 and No 8 shows a guided round.



    Last edited by Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:55 pm; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : Typo corrected.)
    avatar
    medo

    Posts : 3194
    Points : 3284
    Join date : 2010-10-24
    Location : Slovenia

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  medo on Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:24 am

    This 9M395T gun launched SAM is very interesting and could improve capabilities of BMP-3 and BMD-4 vehicles, specially as they have higher elevation of gun than tank and with that missile is more useful. I don't know, what type of guidance this missile will have, laser guidance or IR, but anyway they have to improve FCS, that they could use this missile anytime in full distance. With today BMP-3 FCS, they could be used only in daytime.
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16315
    Points : 16946
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:28 am

    Can tell by the shell cases those are T-62 115mm rounds, not 125mm rounds which are two piece.

    Also I would say just by looking at it 5 is Bastion and therefore 9 is both Titan and Bastion outside the shell case (ie fired... in flight).

    Number 4 and 8 are not guided... they look like standard HEAT rounds.

    Interesting also that Berkut and Bastion are 100mm calibre weapons suggesting they were designed to be compatible with 100mm guns too.


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    medo

    Posts : 3194
    Points : 3284
    Join date : 2010-10-24
    Location : Slovenia

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  medo on Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:Can tell by the shell cases those are T-62 115mm rounds, not 125mm rounds which are two piece.

    Also I would say just by looking at it 5 is Bastion and therefore 9 is both Titan and Bastion outside the shell case (ie fired... in flight).

    Number 4 and 8 are not guided... they look like standard HEAT rounds.

    Interesting also that Berkut and Bastion are 100mm calibre weapons suggesting they were designed to be compatible with 100mm guns too.

    115 mm T-62 rounds are for export as Russia retire their T-62 tanks and with that they don't use 115 mm cal guns anymore. Berkut and Bastion are 100 mm missiles and will be used in BMP-3 and BMD-4 vehicles with their 100 mm guns. Also they could be used in 100 mm cal. guns in T-55, which are still used in large numbers around the World, so there is a big market for them.
    avatar
    Morpheus Eberhardt

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2066
    Join date : 2013-05-20

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:37 pm

    medo wrote:115 mm T-62 rounds are for export as Russia retire their T-62 tanks and with that they don't use 115 mm cal guns anymore. Berkut and Bastion are 100 mm missiles and will be used in BMP-3 and BMD-4 vehicles with their 100 mm guns. Also they could be used in 100 mm cal. guns in T-55, which are still used in large numbers around the World, so there is a big market for them.

    This is a very old image, I have had it for 10 years. I thought I would post it just out of interest.
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16315
    Points : 16946
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:05 pm

    And thank you for posting... I love those old ammo pictures.

    I suspected it was old as it looks rather similar to other old drawings from various Russian sources I have seen.


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    TR1

    Posts : 5699
    Points : 5735
    Join date : 2011-12-06

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  TR1 on Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:54 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FMD0Ibyr4M

    T-80U crossing a river, in glorious 1080p.

    a89

    Posts : 105
    Points : 110
    Join date : 2013-01-09
    Location : Oxfordshire

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  a89 on Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:44 pm

    Nice to see T-80 still in service.

    avatar
    zg18

    Posts : 881
    Points : 957
    Join date : 2013-09-26
    Location : Zagreb , Croatia

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  zg18 on Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:01 am

    Vladivostok Military police unit

    http://pressa-tof.livejournal.com/233721.html (All images)








    Austin

    Posts : 6235
    Points : 6641
    Join date : 2010-05-08
    Location : India

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Austin on Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:44 pm

    Reportedly the first interception video of Kornet ATGM by Israel new APS

    Should be warning bells for ATGM users

    avatar
    magnumcromagnon

    Posts : 4495
    Points : 4674
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:28 pm

    Austin wrote:Reportedly the first interception video of Kornet ATGM by Israel new APS

    Should be warning bells for ATGM users


    Yes ATGM users of the cave-dwelling, goat herding kind. It should be noted that either Iran has license-production for building Kornet's or has succesfully reverse-engineered them (it's not clear which one is true) which pre-date current sanctions, and since 2006 Lebanon war, in all likeliness in the 8 years that passed that the number of Kornet or Kornet-copy's of launchers in Iranian stocks (that are being handed out like candy or leaflets to Hezbollah) have grew exponentially, in all likelihood thousands of Kornet launchers and tens of thousands of missiles have been built since then. The question is that what's the likelihood the Trophy system on the Merkeva 4 tanks can withstand an onslaught of hundreds if not thousands of Kornet missiles being fired at them at once? Even a bigger question is if the Iranian's "do" have license production to build Kornet's, do they have rights to build Kornet-EM's? If so then it's quite possible Hezbollah may obtainined Iranian trucks with Kornet-EM's built in to them, meaning they have ATGM systems designed to defeat the Trophy APS system quite easily.

    Kornet-EM fires two missiles within split seconds of each other which is way too fast for Trophy system to react, or it could fire 8 missiles within split seconds of each other for a sadists enjoyment in overkill, and another 8 can be automatically loaded and fired within minutes of the original 8 missiles guided with a laser-beam riding guidance that can't be jammed, all at a stand off range of 8-10km. Kornet-EM is a system that the Trophy APS designers have no chance of defeating. What's really interesting is that Kornet-EM still has tons of growth potential, whether they develop additional counter measures against APS such as a decoy rocket like the RPG-30, maybe that decoy rocket is full of chaff and contains a mini-EMP, may'be they develop a missile that flies normally but within the last few seconds that missile has a hypersonic sprint, maybe an extended future missile length may include a bigger warhead and or more propellant for greater range. Future launcher vehicles may go the Klub missile route, where a normal looking semi-truck with a container actually is secretly housing 8-10 Kornet-EM launchers with 8 missiles each with anywhere from 64, 80 or more missiles where the sides of the container have automatically controlled retractable curtains and or folding sides, and the passenger seat acts as the command guidance control center with drop down displays and lap tops attached to the ceiling of the driving compartment of the semi-truck.


    Last edited by magnumcromagnon on Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:05 am; edited 1 time in total
    avatar
    medo

    Posts : 3194
    Points : 3284
    Join date : 2010-10-24
    Location : Slovenia

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  medo on Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:01 pm

    How do we know this is Kornet ATGM? Does Hamas have them? Distance to the tank doesn't seem to be long, maybe it is around 1 km away, so the ATGM could as well be slower and older type as Konkurs / Fagot, TOW. Milan or similar. Trophy should work well against them. Kornet is faster, but could work well against them too (depend how far radar detect incoming missile and on reaction time).
    avatar
    VladimirSahin

    Posts : 414
    Points : 432
    Join date : 2013-11-29
    Age : 26
    Location : Florida

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  VladimirSahin on Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:24 am

    Damn, I cant wait for the Kornet-EM to fully enter service does anybody have the date for the Korent-EMs to enter service?
    avatar
    Zivo

    Posts : 1494
    Points : 1528
    Join date : 2012-04-13
    Location : U.S.A.

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Zivo on Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:15 am

    Kornet-EM fires two missiles within split seconds of each other which is way too fast for Trophy system to react

    Launching two missiles in rapid succession to defeat APS is almost stupid easy.
    avatar
    Morpheus Eberhardt

    Posts : 1945
    Points : 2066
    Join date : 2013-05-20

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:22 pm

    Austin wrote:Reportedly the first interception video of Kornet ATGM by Israel new APS

    How do you know that there was an interception?
    avatar
    Viktor

    Posts : 5672
    Points : 6321
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Viktor on Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:17 pm

    Nice  thumbsup 

    Russian General Staff: bullying in the Russian army has virtually disappeared
    avatar
    Regular

    Posts : 2034
    Points : 2041
    Join date : 2013-03-10
    Location : Western Hemisphere.. mostly

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Regular on Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:40 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    Kornet-EM fires two missiles within split seconds of each other which is way too fast for Trophy system to react

    Launching two missiles in rapid succession to defeat APS is almost stupid easy.
    Or launching good old fashioned ATGM's in tandem with Your friend..
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10246
    Points : 10734
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:28 am

    Russia to Present Unique Communications System at High-Tech Exhibition

    MOSCOW, August 1 (RIA Novosti) - Russian high-tech corporation Rostec has created a unique sixth-generation radio communication system called Chance, which it will present at the Russian Defense Ministry’s Innovation Day, the company’s press-service said in a statement on Friday.

    According to the Rostec statement, the Chance communication system is part of the army’s automated communication and control systems. Chance was built, using software-defined radio technology, and can create a self-organizing, auto-restorable network with almost no involvement of an operator.

    The communications system has received factory approval and in the near future is to be tested by troops.

    The Chance system enables transmission of all types of messages, digital data and video information. Each operator has access to the Internet and the GLONASS and/or GPS navigation systems. The network’s radio stations are also able to eliminate noise interference.

    The system consists of portable radio communication stations that can be installed in military vehicles to pass information from one operator to another.

    According to the press statement, even if one radio station is destroyed, its data will be automatically picked up and saved by neighboring stations.

    The Innovation Day international exhibition, organized by the Russian Defense Ministry, is to take place on August 4 - 5 near Moscow.
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10246
    Points : 10734
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:46 pm

    Russia develops new mine-clearing systems

    The standard BMR-3M armoured de-mining vehicle is based on a modified T-72 MBT hull. The standard KMT-7 roller type mine clearing system is on the front of the hull with the pole-type EMT device above and track wide mine clearing blade to the rear. Source: Christopher F Foss

    Russia's Stankomash has completed development of the engineering tank mine-sweeping system TMS-S.

    The TMS-S is mounted on the front of Russian BMR-3M armoured demining vehicles, recognisable by their raised rear roofline, providing space for the two crew and three combat engineers.

    Latest Russian TMS-S mine clearing system installed on the front of the BMR-3M armoured deminer, showing the mine clearing rollers, two pole-type electromagnetic devices and the explosive reactive armour over the frontal arc. (Stankomash)Latest Russian TMS-S mine clearing system installed on the front of the BMR-3M armoured deminer, showing the mine clearing rollers, two pole-type electromagnetic devices and the explosive reactive armour over the frontal arc. (Stankomash)

    The system features eight mine-clearing rollers installed on hinged arms, which cover the full width of the vehicle. A blade is mounted on either side to cut through command detonation wires.

    Mounted above the rollers are two pole-type electro-magnetic attachments and a mine 'trawl' (known locally as a UTPBM), which is claimed to be able to neutralise mines activated by the acoustic, thermal and seismic signatures of the vehicle.
    avatar
    magnumcromagnon

    Posts : 4495
    Points : 4674
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:37 am

    The combat training center has been canceled...look how many sacrifices, capitulations Russia has made, guys like Gorbachev and Yeltsin are looking like jackasses thinking that the powerful entity they destroyed (USSR) and ruined was worth it just to have pitiful and mediocre relations with the West! Yeltsin should have gotten the guillotine, and Gorbachev should still get it...the Cold War never ended, but just had a pause in events, and Russia is significantly worse off:

    Rheinmetall deal with Russia: Gabriel's veto was matched with Chancellor

    Economy Minister Gabriel has defended his veto against a 100 million-euro arms deal with Russia by Rheinmetall. He had for the backing of the Chancellor.

    Berlin - Economy Minister Sigmar Gabriel (SPD) has in his own words the full backing of Prime Minister Angela Merkel (CDU) for the stop of the delivery of a combat training center in Russia. The decision was consistent with the Chancellor's Office, Gabriel said in Berlin on Monday.

    For possible damages from the company Rheinmetall he did not comment. Currently, stood to his knowledge, no other projects where a delivery stop is also to be expected. Without naming details, he said there had already been other projects that have been withdrawn for export licenses.
    Gabriel had the authorization given by the black and yellow previous government permission for the construction of a combat training center in March in response stopped the Crimean crisis provisionally .

    Background of revocation members are now imposed by the EU sanctions against Russia for the escalation of the Ukraine crisis. Germany thus goes beyond the EU sanctions beyond. This provides, among other things, a moratorium on arms sales, already agreed transactions, however, are to be excluded from.

    Actually Rheinmetall wanted to pass the-art combat training facility this year in the town of Mulino in the east of Moscow in the Russian army. In such an exercise centers each year, up to 30,000 soldiers are trained to simulation tools. The business has a magnitude of about one hundred million euros.

    A Rheinmetall spokesman said on Monday: "We are in discussion with the federal government on this issue." An oral completion in March revocation of the government has already reached also in writing. Rheinmetall boss Armin Papperger had seen in March, no need to worry for his company. The Hundred-million contract was nearly executed and almost paid in full, he had said at the press conference.

    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/gabriel-und-rheinmetall-ruestungsveto-war-mit-kanzlerin-abgestimmt-a-984342.html

    etaepsilonk

    Posts : 715
    Points : 697
    Join date : 2013-11-19

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  etaepsilonk on Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:22 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The combat training center has been canceled...look how many sacrifices, capitulations Russia has made, guys like Gorbachev and Yeltsin are looking like jackasses thinking that the powerful entity they destroyed (USSR) and ruined was worth it just to have pitiful and mediocre relations with the West! Yeltsin should have gotten the guillotine, and Gorbachev should still get it...the Cold War never ended, but just had a pause in events, and Russia is significantly worse off:

    The better question is not if or when cold war has ended, but when it actually started.
    Because it sure as hell ain't 1946  Wink
    avatar
    magnumcromagnon

    Posts : 4495
    Points : 4674
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:02 am

    From Milex: Belarus take on the Kornet-EM system, using their Shershen ATGM (with 5 km range) and applying it to a Tigr "Beast of Crimea" truck, pretty cool but surprisingly still a downgrade compared to them Kornet-EM version (for obvious reasons):



    http://englishrussia.com/2014/07/10/milex-2014-exhibition-of-arms-and-military-machinery/
    avatar
    sepheronx

    Posts : 7255
    Points : 7555
    Join date : 2009-08-06
    Age : 28
    Location : Canada

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:34 pm

    http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/743724

    Seems Rheinmetal now lost out on 120M Euros. Transaz will build the training simulator site
    avatar
    Cpt Caz

    Posts : 86
    Points : 95
    Join date : 2013-09-08

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Cpt Caz on Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/743724

    Seems Rheinmetal now lost out on 120M Euros. Transaz will build the training simulator site

    Without a doubt some of the most laughably ineffective sanctions I've ever witnessed.  Laughing  Good for Tranzas.

    (btw Sepheronx, haven't seen you posting over on MP.net. You get banned?)
    avatar
    sepheronx

    Posts : 7255
    Points : 7555
    Join date : 2009-08-06
    Age : 28
    Location : Canada

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:21 pm

    Got suspended due to insulting someone because of their double standards and misreading what I said in the Ukrainian thread. I stopped altogether going there as the anti anything Russian was disgusting. Im OK with criticism of any country, but they go to lengths that they think they speak truth but go as far as being racist.

    Sponsored content

    Re: Russian Ground Forces: News #1

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:45 am