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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:40 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Exclamation
    Something has been bothering me.

    Why, from the Typhoon familly - have we only seen MRAPs and APCs?
    Where are the Typhoon mortar carriers, ambulances, AT-vehicles, combat engineering vehicles, IFVs, etc...?

    Probably not ready yet...
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  flamming_python on Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:46 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Exclamation
    Something has been bothering me.

    Why, from the Typhoon familly - have we only seen MRAPs and APCs?
    Where are the Typhoon mortar carriers, ambulances, AT-vehicles, combat engineering vehicles, IFVs, etc...?

    Probably not ready yet...

    I think those slimy sacks of nuthin' over at the GAZ and KAMAZ plants haven't quite got the message yet; that no-one wants the bloody proliferation of mismatched MRAP vehicles, 4x4 multirole vehicles and armoured trucks that they just keep adding to every year; but that what the Russian MoD actually needs now is a unified light vehicle family, fulfilling every single role from air-defence to artillery.

    Where's Rogozin when you actually (rarely) need him?
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:16 pm

    Good point...I agree.

    I think the current trend to penny pinch everything in the budget might help in that regard. My impression was that they were throwing money around the last few years.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:03 am

    The Typhoon was a light (10-15 ton) family of wheeled vehicles... 4-6 wheels, with standard engines and transmissions, wheels etc designed to be a vehicle family... we haven't seen all the vehicles of the armata or Kurganets or boomerang families... why would we expect to have seen all the typhoon vehicles?

    Seeing the typhoon vehicles from several companies explains the different vehicle bases... one company will get the contract and one vehicle family will be chosen....


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:26 am

    George1 wrote:i am not sure if this vehicle belongs to typhoon family

    Ural-4320VV armored vehicle

    No, I don't think this one does, George.

    This is a truck that AFAIK is being acquired for the MVD Internal Troops; not the Army - it shouldn't be related to the Typhoon familly.

    And good thing too; at least this is one less new armoured truck to worry about that's not part of this mess/inflation of Typhoon/Tajfun/whatever vehicles.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  TR1 on Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:09 am

    Just wait.

    Kamaz basically admitted they spent state money on devlopinging some of these armored MRAPs, that the military...does not itself want.

    Typhoon family has no practical meaning as far as realistic Russian armed forces procurement is concerned.

    And of course as illustrated infamously by the 4 wheel MRAP, Kamaz slapped together a bunch of foreign parts in the worst time to get foreign parts possible.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:44 am

    So all MRAPS are not going to be acquired? All these were waste of money?
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Regular on Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:24 am

    Rolling Eyes well it would be waste of money if it would be foreign company making them.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:27 am

    Regular wrote:Rolling Eyes well it would be waste of money if it would be foreign company making them.

    Yes, but does this rule apply to all the designs or only specific? And is it just Kamaz or all other manufacturers?
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  TR1 on Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:36 am

    sepheronx wrote:So all MRAPS are not going to be acquired? All these were waste of money?

    No, some will definitely be bought, though the question of weather the Ural units are actually better is relevant.
    Also, not like the Russian army has a requirement for that many of them at the moment.

    I was specifically talking about the 6x6 though.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:44 am

    TR1 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:So all MRAPS are not going to be acquired? All these were waste of money?

    No, some will definitely be bought, though the question of weather the Ural units are actually better is relevant.
    Also, not like the Russian army has a requirement for that many of them at the moment.

    I was specifically talking about the 6x6 though.

    I never understood of the so many models that were popping out so I just ignored it after sometime. But thanks for the info, at least now I understand what is going on (well, a tad bit really). The Urals one looks impressive but do we know much where the parts are coming from?
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:27 am

    I rather suspect MRAPs are not so much for the military as for border patrol and interior ministry and indeed police units where a BMP or BTR would previously be used.

    they are generally designed for low intensity situations rather than full scale warfare.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Regular on Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:01 pm

    First of all, having a big fleet of MRAPS are only relevant if You are fighting low intensity conflicts.
    They were needed in Chechnya back in the day.
    Now army is not facing threats of fighting insurgency where IEDs would be biggest threat.
    Internal troops are doing all the fighting in Caucasus and even those guys are not in dire need of MRAPs.
    Of course MRAP features are nice to have in every vehicle, but it does have it's tradeoff too. Especially it shows up in dedicated MRAP vehicles.
    Too much to compromise when it comes to smaller MRAPs.
    On other hand truck with MRAP design and good protection like Typhoon erases gap between BTR and truck. Still commonality with Kamaz trucks mean that Russia can get away with almost no logistic headache. It's not Saudi Arabia.
    Plus development of MRAPs went up in Russia and it gave good know how. Plus it's not like money went abroad. No need to panic.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:36 am

    TR1 wrote:Just wait.

    Kamaz basically admitted they spent state money on devlopinging some of these armored MRAPs, that the military...does not itself want.

    Typhoon family has no practical meaning as far as realistic Russian armed forces procurement is concerned.

    And of course as illustrated infamously by the 4 wheel MRAP, Kamaz slapped together a bunch of foreign parts in the worst time to get foreign parts possible.

    Your entitled to your own opinion, but...



    In particular, the defense Ministry is very interested in a marine complex. Already decided that, under the sea "armor" will modernize a number of destroyers and other large ships. In addition, in the interests of Russian Ground Forces and Airborne developed a modification of the anti-aircraft missile and gun complex "armor" crawler-based KAMAZ "Typhoon-K".

    http://rostec.ru/news/4191

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:24 am

    Like I said, I was specifically 6x6 and 4x4.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:29 am

    TR1 wrote:Like I said, I was specifically 6x6 and 4x4.

    But it clearly states Typhoon-K, and Typhoon-K is 6x6.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:43 am

    Er, should have been more clear.

    They have bought batches of the 6x6 armored truck.

    But the KAMAZ-636969 was explicitly said by Kamaz themselves that the armed forces don't know what to do with the truck.

    http://twower.livejournal.com/1550227.html

    Too bad, nice looking vehicle.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:58 pm

    I think it's way better protected than BTR series.
    Sure it's not like Kamaz never made vehicles that were never put in the service... Those terrible Vystrel prototypes spring to mind. Maybe foreign buyer will be interested?

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:43 am

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    Post  Mindstorm on Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:06 pm


    This interesting video well show the level of protection offered by Тайфун-У and Тайфун-К.





    Worth to see it attentively.

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    Post  EKS on Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:18 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    This interesting video well show the level of protection offered by Тайфун-У and Тайфун-К.





    Worth to see it attentively.

    Great video! Thanks for sharing!
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:07 pm

    MRAP Ural Typhoon-U surviving 600 grams of high-explosive:




    Surviving 6 KG's of high-explosive:

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:15 pm

    "Typhoon-U" for the 10th Special Forces Brigade

    Curious photo report about an experimental batch of armored vehicles Ural-63095 "Typhoon-U", received by the 10th separate special purpose brigade of the Southern Military District stationed in Molkino near Krasnodar. According to the known data, the brigade received 30 cars "Typhoon-U" for military trials.



















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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:30 am

    George1 wrote:Kamaz Typhoon is a family of Russian multi-functional, modular, armoured, mine resistant vehicles. The Typhoon family is part of Russia's large vehicle Typhoon program.


    KamAZ-63968 Typhoon:




    Ural-63099 Typhoon:



    Kamaz-63969 Typhoon:

    It seems not that they are light vehicles. According to wikipedia, the first of the three seems to be of 21 tons, and the second seems to be of 24.5 tons, with the third being a development of the first. They are approximately of the weight of the Kurganets and Bumerangs.

    A little surprised, but it is not bad. The new Typhoons seem to be armored trucks of middle size.

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