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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:26 pm

    I would expect that the underneath of the vehicle has been designed to deflect blast waves out sideways away from the vehicle.

    The V shape doesn't need to be obvious like on a South African Buffel... you just need to not have a flat underneath.

    Also most mine explosions occur under the wheels and so the wheel wells generally deflect the blast away from the vehicle anyway.

    People go on about the BTR not having a proper belly design and it not... on paper... being very good at surviving mines, but experience in Afghanistan showed repeatedly that the BTR could roll over a mine and lose a wheel or two and still drive around unscathed. A tracked vehicle on the other hand often lost a track and became immobilised.
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    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:42 am

    If not the V shape , they must have figured out a way to deflect blast from the underside of vehical.

    I wanted to know what will be the use of Taifun vehical, will it replace the normal truck that carry troops to frontline or is this some specialised vechical for some specialised task
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:00 am

    The Russian Army doesn't really use trucks a lot for that... they had plenty of BTRs for that role (on roads... BMPs for cross country or where the extra protection or firepower was required.)

    Teh V shape doesn't need to be clearly obvious to have an effect... it just needs a bottom surface that is not flat... think in terms of swimming where using a flat or even a cupped hand it is easier to push the water to move yourself in one direction or another.

    In the case of a vehicle a flat bottom means the upward rapidly moving gas is applied evenly to the bottom of the vehicle which means it is lifted and then dropped more efficiently, which is very damaging to the troops inside.

    With an under surface that redirects the blast sideways away from the vehicle to the open air rather than back down into the ground to lift the vehicle the effect on the vehicle is reduced.

    Remember when you are actually talking about wheeled vehicles and landmines the vehicle generally sets the mine off by driving over it with a wheel so rather than exploding under the belly (where a V shaped hull would do the most good) the mines will normally explode under the wheel and the blast will naturally be redirected away from the vehicle by the wheel arch... so most vehicles are naturally protected from mines, but not from remote detonated IEDs.

    The thing is that whatever vehicle you use... the bad guys are generally not idiots so if you start using mine protected vehicles they will simply make bigger IEDs and quite frankly if they are prepared to put in the effort of making it really big there is not much you can actually do to save your soldiers except give them a truck each and keep them separated.

    During the Vietnam war a standard VC trick was to wire up dud USAF bombs as boobytraps. Even just a 500lb bomb would result in an entire platoon disappearing in the explosion, but it was a case of a guerilla force using what it could get its hands on, and the USAF was delivering bombs in enormous numbers.

    I suspect its use will be centred around perhaps special forces and police and paramilitary use rather than Army.

    Remember the Taifun is the Kamaz product, the Typhoon is being developed by the makers of the BMP as the standard chassis for the light brigades and will be a 4 and 6 wheeled armoured vehicle for troop transport and air defence and artillery and "tank"/gun platform.

    The Taifun is an armoured truck... and look carefully at this picture... especially the shape of the floor at the base of the seats... I rather suspect the hull is largely V shaped:

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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:49 pm

    GarryB wrote:I suspect its use will be centred around perhaps special forces and police and paramilitary use rather than Army.

    Agreed. I doubt Kamaz's Taifun or the equivalent competitor from "Ural" are for the Army. The center of gravity of these vehicles is just to high to enable it to replace vehicles like the BTR-80.

    Special forces, Interior ministry, OMON and other paramilitaries, Yes. The Army, Naval infantry or VDV, No.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:47 pm

    Vladimir Putin Inspects The Kamaz Triumf

    http://russianmilitaryphotos.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/vladimir-putin-inspects-the-kamaz-triumf/

    Is this a MPAR vechile?

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    Post  lorenzopopov on Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:59 am

    George1 wrote:Vladimir Putin Inspects The Kamaz Triumf

    http://russianmilitaryphotos.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/vladimir-putin-inspects-the-kamaz-triumf/

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    Yes, it is. Several new MPAR's are being tested, including the Ural Typhoon.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:24 am

    In the first quarter of 2013, at 201 Russian base in Tajikistan is about 200 units of automotive and special machinery.

    The largest land base of Russia abroad will join its fleet of three modifications the Uralov "with wheel formula 4 x 4 and 6 x 6, as well as mobile services of armament and military equipment in the field is the master èlektrospecrabot, tehremonta, and other samples.
    New cars are more fifth wheel coupling and geometry passability, equipped for operation under hot temperatures. All of them will stand on the warranty and service manufacturing enterprises that will be visiting teams.
    Equipment will be delivered to Tajikistan by special military echelons.

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    Post  medo on Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:57 pm

    George1 wrote:In the first quarter of 2013, at 201 Russian base in Tajikistan is about 200 units of automotive and special machinery.

    The largest land base of Russia abroad will join its fleet of three modifications the Uralov "with wheel formula 4 x 4 and 6 x 6, as well as mobile services of armament and military equipment in the field is the master èlektrospecrabot, tehremonta, and other samples.
    New cars are more fifth wheel coupling and geometry passability, equipped for operation under hot temperatures. All of them will stand on the warranty and service manufacturing enterprises that will be visiting teams.
    Equipment will be delivered to Tajikistan by special military echelons.

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    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=484910458236607&set=a.289548557772799.66899.145866335474356&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

    Is Ural Taifun on the photo testing vehicle or are they already in armament? Anyway good news that bases outside Russia also got new equipment.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:07 pm

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:48 pm

    http://s019.radikal.ru/i629/1306/77/ffdbafb0659a.jpg

    Ceramic applique armor obviously not yet installed, but good photo showing hull.
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    Post  Austin on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:38 am

    Which is that vehical ? Looks stunning
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:29 pm

    Much larger than Tigr- little Typhoon basically.
    Dedicated MRAP, something Tigr is not.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:57 am

    So more like an SM-3 type Medvedev vehicle?

    BTW the domestic name for the Sosna-R is Bagulnik.
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:47 pm

    Yeah it looks closer to Medved.
    I think given how they are promoting the chassis as part of the Typhoon family, I suppose they took the Typhoon chassis and chopped off the front axel.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:56 am

    Standardisation has its advantages...
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:38 pm

    On a more positive note:

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/46620/

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:55 am

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    Ural Typhoon line.

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    Also comes in 4x4 now apparently.
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    Post  Zivo on Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:58 am

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    Also comes in 4x4 now apparently.

    I never liked the idea of putting so much weight on just four wheels. Especially on a vehicle expected to operate in areas were road conditions are less than desirable.
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    Post  TR1 on Sat May 17, 2014 12:03 am

    The 4x4 Ural Typhoon on parade:

    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9316/5684310.14/0_f519d_6487adb4_XXXL.jpg
    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9800/5684310.14/0_f519e_43599271_XXXL.jpg
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 17, 2014 11:32 am

    Isn't that Ural SM-3?

    I though Ural Taifun was 6 wheeled... Like this:

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 06, 2014 3:54 am

    KAMAZ 53949 Typhoon-K 4x4:

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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:14 am

    Test of the new version of armored combat vehicle (ACV) "Typhoon" 4x4 will be completed by the end of 2015.
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