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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:23 am

    Inside the armored car K-4386 "Typhoon-VDV"

    The armored car is being developed under a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry in the interests of the Airborne Troops. Before the designers, the task was to ensure the possibility of landing the vehicle, and to transport the landing with comfort, providing it with a high level of security.





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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:16 pm

    The run of some armored vehicles K-63968 "Typhoon-K" exceeded 30 thousand kilometers

    As it became known to our blog, the run of "leader" armored modular cars K-63968 "Typhoon-K" in the troops has already exceeded 30 thousand kilometers. Moreover, the operation of the machines was carried out both on the territory of Russia and the Syrian Arab Republic, under very difficult conditions.



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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  franco on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:37 pm

    First of the new Typhoon-K 4 wheel IMV entered service;

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    Post  eehnie on Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:29 am

    franco wrote:First of the new Typhoon-K 4 wheel IMV entered service;

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2991916.html

    It seems to be units for testing with the Armed Forces, right?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:17 am

    eehnie wrote:
    franco wrote:First of the new Typhoon-K 4 wheel IMV entered service;

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2991916.html

    It seems to be units for testing with the Armed Forces, right?

    No they have been field tested, this is just giving them to a unit.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:32 am

    So they will likely go to a unit that is relatively elite and be tested with a small batch of vehicles.

    The equivalent in aircraft is for the first serial batch of aircraft to go to a training regiment where they will learn to fly and operate the aircraft and develop tactics and then later production models go to other units who use operations manuals created by that first unit to use them.

    The difference of course is that now they will likely get electronic training on the new vehicles before their unit even receives them with their digital training systems...


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  eehnie on Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:16 pm

    If I'm not wrong the Russian Armed Forces do its own tests before to adopt a new design of material. First own tests in the factory, later tests of the Russian Armed Forces in order to adopt the weapon or not. This would be roughly the habitual procedure, and this vehicle seems to enter in the stage of testing with the Russian Armed Forces. But not totally clear even in the traslation.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbmpd.livejournal.com%2F2991916.html

    This is the main part of the article that seems to be a report of the company, not of the Ministery of Defense:

    Armored vehicles K-53949 are designed to solve the problems of comprehensive provision of combined arms and special units, including peacekeeping forces, under various conditions. Can be used to transport personnel and cargo. The car has high combat and operational characteristics, high controllability, speed of movement and permeability to all types of roads. The multi-purpose armored car has protection against small arms and explosive devices. The platform of the vehicle is a universal base for the installation of various superstructures of security, reconnaissance, and fire support.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:01 am

    The Factory tests are to ensure the vehicle is properly designed and assembled and that everything works to specification before being handed over the to customer.

    Of course when it is handed over the military needs to test it to make sure it does everything they specified for it to be able to do.

    After those tests they then need to put it into an operational unit to develop a training and operations manual for using the vehicle and a maintainence manual on how to look after the vehicle.

    Often a pilot batch are made for larger scale testing with normal troops... any problems found and they are sent back to the factory for fixes.

    The end result is a new vehicle in service.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  eehnie on Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:09 pm

    If Im not wrong, the tests of the Russian Armed Forces are serious, difficult to pass, and some material fails. One example of it would be just the first edition of the Typhoon 4x4, that returned to the factory.

    Under the modern testing standards of the Russian Armed Forces, this kind of small semiarmoured vehicles tend to have problems to meet the requiremens for safety of the crew in contested environments, but can work for roles of auxilary vehicle (utiity, trasport,...) outside of the frontline. But even in this case, Russia can not select all the alternatives, and only seletcs very few, in order to keep some degree of standardization. There is high competence, I will try to collect all the recent alternatives in one comment.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:28 am

    Because of the different operating environments they have to have some flexibility too of course.

    The BMP was accepted as the standard IFV troop transport for example, but in some areas they were too heavy and their tracks were too narrow to operate in very deep snow or very deep mud.

    The solution was that some units used the lighter MTLB series of vehicles in the role with much lighter armament and armour, but with good mobility in bad conditions.

    When it is a new vehicle I doubt they have an idea of exactly what they want so when they offer up their specs for the new vehicle and a few companies put forward prototypes and they have a play with them they can then decide on what features are really useful and some that sound good but are not that useful in practise.

    An excellent example of this was early on in tank development with their BT series light tanks they had the feature of being able to run without tracks on wheels.

    In theory it sounds useful but in practise it was almost never used so that feature was removed and the design made simpler and cheaper.

    Once they have decided on a vehicle they then finalise or optimise their specs and get a testing batch made that are then tested and results put back into design changes for the serial production vehicle design.

    Then they make a batch for operational units to try out and use and also then they adapt the operations manual to allow for the new capabilities and features and the maintainence manual to support the vehicles.

    After that testing is done any changes needed are made and mass production can start.... during production changes and upgrades can be made to improve features or to just make the vehicle cheaper and easier to make.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:22 am

    Army special forces received an experimental batch of armored vehicles "Medved"

    https://iz.ru/665008/nikolai-surkov-aleksei-ramm/armeiskii-spetcnaz-osedlaet-boevykh-medvedei

    Russian special forces received an experimental batch of armored vehicles "Medved". They are able to move with great speed through sand, swamps, mud and deep snow, Izvestia reports .

    According to experts, "the combination of enhanced protection with roominess and compactness makes" Bears "highly demanded machines, especially in the context of counter-terrorist operations." Machines are supplied to special forces for testing. The program provides for their sending to Syria for verification in combat conditions. "Bears" with the wheel formula 4x4 are able not only to transport personnel, but also provide fire support to the landing party. Their distinguishing feature is increased mine protection. The bottom of the car "is V-shaped (in the western classification such machines are called MRAP).
    It is noted that "depending on the tasks assigned, it is possible to install various types of weapons - starting with machine guns of various calibers and automatic grenade launchers and ending with anti-tank missiles and automatic cannons."
    The expert on overland combat equipment Oleg Zheltonozhko explained that the MRAP was created to accompany the columns, and the war in Syria is now entering a phase where the protection of the columns will be one of the most important tasks.
    Unlike conventional armored personnel carriers, "Bears" can easily move along public roads, while they are better protected than the more brisk "Tigers". "Bear" can quickly move along the column, ensuring the transfer of reinforcements in the right place. At the same time, it is more compact and will pass where the conventional BTR will be cramped,
    he said.
    According to the expert, thanks to the powerful armor and good minesecurity, the Bears will also be in demand as command and staff or medical vehicles.
    The military wants to have at their disposal the entire line of military vehicles - from light to heavy, and the "Bear" represents a successful combination of armor and roominess with relative compactness. In some situations, the armor and firepower of an armored troop carrier are simply redundant, and protecting the lungs of the Tigers is not enough. In addition, armored cars are cheaper to operate,
    added Zheltonozhko.





    WTF not enough types of MRAPs in Russian army and Rosgvardia?!



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