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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  wilhelm on Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:35 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
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    eehnie wrote:A little surprised, but it is not bad. The new Typhoons seem to be armored trucks of middle size.

    Well they are MRAPs basically, they need to be heavy. They are on pair in weight with most of foreign solutions too, Renault Higuard, TITUS, Cougar HE, Lazar 2 etc.

    I like the size of the new Typhoons, I think it is the right size for armored vehicles looking forward. Lighter armored vehicle projects are failing to pass the tests of the armour in recent years, becoming unsuccessful. But the new generation of Russian IFVs and APCs (Kurganets-25, Bumerang-25, Typhoon-U, Typhoon-K and the new Bulat) can become successful, with maybe the Atom Project, that is very interesting.

    What i like about Typhoon is that its actually appealing to the eyes, which most of the USSR/Russian equipment in past wasnt. Atom i am not sure, if they use its weapon station on Kurganets 25 i assume, but keeping French platform i highly doubt.

    The project is being resumed without France. Check the Atom topic.

    I can't find the Atom topic....do you have a link please?
    EDIT: Nevermind, I found it on Page 2.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  George1 on Thu May 26, 2016 5:01 am

    Russian Armed Forces reconnaissance and special forces units will soon be bolstered by new mine-resistant, ambush-protected Typhoon vehicles.

    The new vehicles are capable of both navigating rugged terrain and protecting personnel from small arms fire and improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

    It should be noted that the military apparently intends to purchase both the Typhoon-U type vehicles produced by Ural Automotive Plant and the Typhoon-K type manufactured by KamAZ.

    A source in the military told the Russian newspaper Izvestia that the Defense Ministry has already made the decision to purchase the vehicles and is now deciding exactly how many it requires.

    The new armored vehicles will be supplied to reconnaissance battalions and special forces brigades, as well as to recon detachments of regular ground troops, where it will serve as a valuable addition to Tigr (Tiger) all-terrain infantry mobility vehicles.

    "Tigr combat vehicles are more suited for reconnaissance and missions behind enemy lines, while Typhoons will be quite useful in escorting convoys, moving cargo and for urban warfare," the source explained.

    Both the Typhoon-K and Typhoon-U are capable of transporting several tons of cargo or up to 16 servicemen across rough terrain at a speed of up to 100 km/h. The vehicles’ armor is capable of withstanding high-caliber projectiles and protecting the crew from explosive devices with a yield of up to 8 kilograms of TNT.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160525/1040228635/russia-new-armored-vehicles.html#ixzz49j9BlUsb
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Benya on Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:11 pm

    A big batch of Typhoon-Ks have been recently delivered to the Russian Armed Forces

    Russian company Kamaz delivers 70 Taifun-K MRAPs to Russian Armed Forces

    Russia`s Armed Forces have received over 70 Taifun-K (Typhoon K) heavy mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicles developed by the KAMAZ company (a part of the Rostec state corporation), according to a source in the Russian defense industry.


    Taifun-K (Typhoon K) heavy mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicles (Photo Army Recognition)

    "The subsidiaries of the KAMAZ company have delivered over 70 K63968 Taifun-K MRAP vehicles to Russia`s Ministry of Defense (MoD). At present, an additional batch of the MRAPs is being produced for the Ministry. The customer will receive several more dozens of the Taifun-K vehicles before the year-end," the source said.

    According to open sources, the Taifun-K 6x6 wheeled MRAP vehicle has a combat weight of 24 t, a crew of 2 servicemen, a passenger capacity of 16 mounted soldiers, a length of 8,990 mm, a width of 2,550 mm, a height of 3,300 mm, a maximum road speed of 105 km/h, and an operational range of 1,200 km. Taifun-K is armoured at Level IV STANAG 4569 (All-round protection against 14.5 mm armour-piercing bullets at 200 m distance). The vehicle can be armed with a remote controlled weapon station (RCWS). Taifun-K is powered by YaMZ-5367 (450 h.p.) diesel engine. The vehicle features the newest Gals-D1M combat management system developed by the Volna scientific-research institute.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:23 pm


    It seems that this is the day of the MRAP.

    That new Typhoon is looking more and more likely to be for VDV according to folks online. Fresh pics with moar pow'a on the roof. thumbsup



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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Zivo on Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:34 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    It seems that this is the day of the MRAP.

    That new Typhoon is looking more and more likely to be for VDV according to folks online. Fresh pics with moar pow'a on the roof. thumbsup




    30mm?

    That turret actually kind of looks larger than the 57mm, I wonder if it can also use that?
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:57 am

    Russia makes first MRAP. Builds it with better armament than anything else currently in operation around the globe. russia
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:06 pm

    30mm?

    That turret actually kind of looks larger than the 57mm, I wonder if it can also use that?

    I would think a 57mm gun might be fitted to the larger models of Typhoon... there are supposed to be four wheel and six wheel models of the vehicle family and I suspect the four wheel model will have a 30mm turret and the six wheel might have the 57mm gun and perhaps a long recoil 125mm gun as fitted to Sprut in the tank role... or if it is too much the 57mm version might be the tank (ie heavy gun platform vehicle of the family).
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Benya on Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:31 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    It seems that this is the day of the MRAP.

    That new Typhoon is looking more and more likely to be for VDV according to folks online. Fresh pics with moar pow'a on the roof. thumbsup




    This Typhoon 4x4 looks cool, but I have some questions about it.  Question

    -First, will the Russian MoD choose this, or the VPK-3927 "Volk" (or maybe both)? IMO there is a high chance of that the Typhoon-K 4x4 will be supplied to the VDV, and the Volk will be used by the Army (Ground Forces)

    -Second, seeing that this is made by KamAZ, what happened to the Typhoon-U series made by Ural? Maybe they didn't received contracts from MoD? Maybe the Typhoon-U will be supplied to the National Guard, and the Typhoon-K will be supplied to the Army, which decision would be logical, since if the Typhoon-U's engine block placed in front of the driver's cabin would receive a hit from, let's say a 12.7mm round, it would be seriously damaged, since the projectile would go through the engine's grating. The Typhoon-K eliminates this danger by it's engine placed behind the driver's cabin, thus allowing a more thicker armor plate to be placed into the front of the driver's cabin, which offers more protection for the driver.

    -Third. It is clear that the one on the right side is equipped with a turret or something, but the other vehicle on the left side is having something similar to it (but I'm sure that it isn't a turret). I think that it is some kind of cover for radio/signal equipment, or the Leer-2 EW complex, but a reconaissance camera on a telescopic mast can also be fitted there too.

    BTW my thoughts are that this could find great use at the VDV supplementing, or even partially/fully replacing the GAZ-2330 Tigr in some roles, since the Tigr is an Armored Mobility Vehicle, and the Typhoon-K 4x4 is an MRAP, which offers more protection against IEDs or other explosives.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  eehnie on Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:32 pm

    Benya wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    It seems that this is the day of the MRAP.

    That new Typhoon is looking more and more likely to be for VDV according to folks online. Fresh pics with moar pow'a on the roof. thumbsup




    This Typhoon 4x4 looks cool, but I have some questions about it.  Question

    -First, will the Russian MoD choose this, or the VPK-3927 "Volk" (or maybe both)? IMO there is a high chance of that the Typhoon-K 4x4 will be supplied to the VDV, and the Volk will be used by the Army (Ground Forces)

    -Second, seeing that this is made by KamAZ, what happened to the Typhoon-U series made by Ural? Maybe they didn't received contracts from MoD? Maybe the Typhoon-U will be supplied to the National Guard, and the Typhoon-K will be supplied to the Army, which decision would be logical, since if the Typhoon-U's engine block placed in front of the driver's cabin would receive a hit from, let's say a 12.7mm round, it would be seriously damaged, since the projectile would go through the engine's grating. The Typhoon-K eliminates this danger by it's engine placed behind the driver's cabin, thus allowing a more thicker armor plate to be placed into the front of the driver's cabin, which offers more protection for the driver.

    -Third. It is clear that the one on the right side is equipped with a turret or something, but the other vehicle on the left side is having something similar to it (but I'm sure that it isn't a turret). I think that it is some kind of cover for radio/signal equipment, or the Leer-2 EW complex, but a reconaissance camera on a telescopic mast can also be fitted there too.

    BTW my thoughts are that this could find great use at the VDV supplementing, or even partially/fully replacing the GAZ-2330 Tigr in some roles, since the Tigr is an Armored Mobility Vehicle, and the Typhoon-K 4x4 is an MRAP, which offers more protection against IEDs or other explosives.

    There are reports of both 6x6 Typhoon-K and Typhoon-U ordered and delivered. They seems good a successful vehicles to me.

    About smaller vehicles, I think all are having big troubles to pass the tests and to be officially adopted by the Russian Armed Forces. There are multiple models like this Typhoon 4x4, the Volk,... but all are failling by the same way in the last years. (Note that I agree with the standards demanded by the current tests for armoured vehicles to work in contested areas.)
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:51 pm

    eehnie wrote:...........................
    There are reports of both 6x6 Typhoon-K and Typhoon-U ordered and delivered. They seems good a successful vehicles to me.

    About smaller vehicles, I think all are having big troubles to pass the tests and to be officially adopted by the Russian Armed Forces. There are multiple models like this Typhoon 4x4, the Volk,... but all are failling by the same way in the last years. (Note that I agree with the standards demanded by the current tests for armoured vehicles to work in contested areas.)

    Well it was recently confirmed that 70 Typhoon-K 6x6 were delivered to RU Military so that model is a go. It seems to be already in service with Assault Engineers.



    I don't really know status of Ural MRAPs.

    Tigers and Lynx (Iveco) are in production and service of course but with a catch. Tigers have superior armor, off-road performance and internal space to Lynx but Lynx has superior mine resistance (level 6 as opposed to level 3 on Tiger). There were recent news that new Tiger was developed with level 6 mine resistance so we will se how that goes.

    Kamaz was developing Typhoon-K 53949 4x4 but it was not accepted due to imported components used in production. This new VDV Typhoon we see now is evolution of that model with fully localized components. If it is proven successful I see no reason why Army would not accept it as well in service to replace/supplant Tigers, Lynx and Ural MRAP.

    From what I can guesstimate based on those pics it looks like it fits the bill on all criteria (wheel size, internal space, clearance, armament capacity). With decent armor this should translate into good off-road performance, protection from bullets and mines, capacity and crew comfort.

    All this would leave very little need for Volk. Volk was supposed to be better MRAP than Tiger but with level 6 Tiger coming soon and this new Kamaz there is simply no point in getting Volks.



    Here is the first pic of this model just in case:

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Zivo on Sat Aug 20, 2016 12:59 am

    Kamaz appears to be far ahead of their other rivals in the russian MIC, pretty soon the selection for the Army is going to be a one horse race.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:22 am

    Tiger is UMZ so not quite, especially since Tiger is in widespread use already. The recent tests of Tiger using A6 anti-mine protection brings it further ahead already. This new system is interesting since it has such a powerful weapon on top, but chances are, due to Tiger already being in widespread use, they will opt for the newer variant with much more mine protection. Essentially, it will make it far better than Iveco and the rest since it already has better protection against ammunition.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:45 am

    sepheronx wrote:Tiger is UMZ so not quite, especially since Tiger is in widespread use already.  The recent tests of Tiger using A6 anti-mine protection brings it further ahead already.  This new system is interesting since it has such a powerful weapon on top, but chances are, due to Tiger already being in widespread use, they will opt for the newer variant with much more mine protection.  Essentially, it will make it far better than Iveco and the rest since it already has better protection against ammunition.

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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:28 am

    Well, we can take comfort to know that Serdyukov was ousted long before this situations occurred. In the end, pretty much Serdyukov's reforms have all been reversed, and for the better too.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  eehnie on Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:...........................
    There are reports of both 6x6 Typhoon-K and Typhoon-U ordered and delivered. They seems good a successful vehicles to me.

    About smaller vehicles, I think all are having big troubles to pass the tests and to be officially adopted by the Russian Armed Forces. There are multiple models like this Typhoon 4x4, the Volk,... but all are failling by the same way in the last years. (Note that I agree with the standards demanded by the current tests for armoured vehicles to work in contested areas.)

    Well it was recently confirmed that 70 Typhoon-K 6x6 were delivered to RU Military so that model is a go. It seems to be already in service with Assault Engineers.



    I don't really know status of Ural MRAPs.

    Tigers and Lynx (Iveco) are in production and service of course but with a catch. Tigers have superior armor, off-road performance and internal space to Lynx but Lynx has superior mine resistance (level 6 as opposed to level 3 on Tiger). There were recent news that new Tiger was developed with level 6 mine resistance so we will se how that goes.

    Kamaz was developing Typhoon-K 53949 4x4 but it was not accepted due to imported components used in production. This new VDV Typhoon we see now is evolution of that model with fully localized components. If it is proven successful I see no reason why Army would not accept it as well in service to replace/supplant Tigers, Lynx and Ural MRAP.

    From what I can guesstimate based on those pics it looks like it fits the bill on all criteria (wheel size, internal space, clearance, armament capacity). With decent armor this should translate into good off-road performance, protection from bullets and mines, capacity and crew comfort.

    All this would leave very little need for Volk. Volk was supposed to be better MRAP than Tiger but with level 6 Tiger coming soon and this new Kamaz there is simply no point in getting Volks.



    Here is the first pic of this model just in case:


    The following link as example shows the Typhoon-U in use by the Russian Armed Forces:

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150325/1054305076.html
    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fria.ru%2Fdefense_safety%2F20150325%2F1054305076.html

    Both 6x6 vehicles, the Typhoon-U and the Typhoon-K seem good options to me. In the case of the Typhoon-U I can not confirm if the part of the engine is also armoured, I would say it is, but can not confirm it. The front fart of the box for the engine can have some aditional armour hidden, it would not be a problem.

    These 6x6 vehicles are between 20 and 25 tons, which allow them to have enough armour, but in the case of the vehicles under 15 tons, I do not think it will be something good enough. The BMD-4M is for me the vehicle that marks the minimum standard for a successful vehicle for contested/combat areas today in Russia. I think it is very difficult to see weaker new vehicles adopted by the Russian Armed Forces, except if they are to work outside of the combat areas.

    Instead, these smaller vehicles can find their place for other security forces.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:13 pm

    The Typhoon vehicles are a family of vehicles... like Kurganets, Boomerang, and Armata.

    Volk and Tiger are like a BMP or BTR... it has a range of variants but there is no complete family of vehicles... ie no tank version etc.

    Typhoon will be the very light vehicle family and may only be used in VDV or light recon units as the vehicle basis. Where speed and transportability by rail or air is top priority.

    It will enter service in one form or another.

    I rather suspect the Boomerang family will be the most heavily used and produced because it will be cheap and mobile and well armoured and well armed.

    For any net centric military it will be critical to collect data and light highly mobile units will be one way of doing that... along with drones and satellites etc etc.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:44 pm


    When you think about it, unifying fleet of heavy combat vehicles should be priority and RU military is definitely focusing on that.

    MRAPs are comparatively simpler and cheaper systems so while having a tangled logistic chain in that segment is certainly a hassle, it is smaller and perfectly manageable hassle.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:The Typhoon vehicles are a family of vehicles... like Kurganets, Boomerang, and Armata.

    Volk and Tiger are like a BMP or BTR... it has a range of variants but there is no complete family of vehicles... ie no tank version etc.

    Typhoon will be the very light vehicle family and may only be used in VDV or light recon units as the vehicle basis. Where speed and transportability by rail or air is top priority.

    It will enter service in one form or another.

    I rather suspect the Boomerang family will be the most heavily used and produced because it will be cheap and mobile and well armoured and well armed.

    For any net centric military it will be critical to collect data and light highly mobile units will be one way of doing that... along with drones and satellites etc etc.

    Actually the UVZ Tigr-M is looking a lot like a family of vehicles these day, and off the top of my head I know we've seen Tigr-m's being used as a APC, a ATGM carrier, a recon/intelligence vehicle, a ECM vehicle, and a NBC/engineering vehicle.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:00 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    When you think about it, unifying fleet of heavy combat vehicles should be priority and RU military is definitely focusing on that.

    MRAPs are comparatively simpler and cheaper systems so while having a tangled logistic chain in that segment is certainly a hassle, it is smaller and perfectly manageable hassle.

    The most important thing is those vehicles are made underneath the same house, because even if the vehicles are fundamentally different, it'll be much more likely to share commonality than otherwise.
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    Post  eehnie on Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:19 am

    GarryB wrote:The Typhoon vehicles are a family of vehicles... like Kurganets, Boomerang, and Armata.

    Volk and Tiger are like a BMP or BTR... it has a range of variants but there is no complete family of vehicles... ie no tank version etc.

    Typhoon will be the very light vehicle family and may only be used in VDV or light recon units as the vehicle basis. Where speed and transportability by rail or air is top priority.

    It will enter service in one form or another.

    I rather suspect the Boomerang family will be the most heavily used and produced because it will be cheap and mobile and well armoured and well armed.

    For any net centric military it will be critical to collect data and light highly mobile units will be one way of doing that... along with drones and satellites etc etc.

    What I see happening:

    - Armata: heavy platform for around 50 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Kurganets: tracked platform for around 25 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Bumerang: wheeled platform for around 25 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - BMD-4M: light platform for around 15 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Typhoon: 6x6 APC/Armoured Trucks for around 20-25 tons transport in contested/combat areas. It is a family of vehicles, but not a single platform (different chasis seem used).
    - Bulat: Cheap 6x6 APC/Armoured Truck used to scort Surface-Surface missile vehicles in non-contested areas.

    - Tigr, Iveco LMV and others not officially adopted like the Typhoon 4x4, BPM-97,...: semiarmoured light trucks. Not new orders and deliveries completed for the Russian Armed Forces since the upgrade in the safety standards (the contract of the Iveco LMV was previous). Some ordered for other security forces.

    What I do not see happening:

    - I do not see the Typhoon family being developed for artillery, anti-tank or even IFV roles like the armata, kurganets, bumerang and BMD-4M  platforms.
    - I do not see the Typhoon family being developed as a light platform. The vehicles adopted until now are between 20 and 25 tons.
    - I do not see the light semiarmoured trucks (Tigr, Iveco LMV,...) being orderded more for combat purposes.


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    Post  Benya on Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:32 am

    Russia to export the Typhoon-K 4x4 in the future

    Russia will promote Typhoon-K (KAMAZ-53949) 4x4 resistant ambush protected vehicle (MRAP) vehicle on foreign markets.

    The press service of Rosoboronexport arms trader said a corresponding program was inked by its Director General Anatoly Isaikin and Faiz Khafizov, the director general of Remdiesel enterprise which produces the vehicle.


    Typhoon-K (KAMAZ-53949) 4x4 resistant ambush protected vehicle (MRAP) during a live demonstration in KADEX 2014, defense exhibition in Kazahstan.

    "The implementation of the program for 2017-2018 has already begun. Rosoboronexport marketing plans as well as international exhibitions and shows will get corresponding themes and events as well as demonstrations of Typhoon-K with 4x4 wheel arrangement which has to be produced by Remdiesel in export version by the end of 2016," it said.
    Isaikin said Typhoon-K may be marketed in Northern Africa, the Middle East, Central and Southeast Asia, Latin America and the CIS.

    The press service said Typhoon-K is designated for army and special forces, including peacekeepers. It can transport personnel and cargoes and can also be used as a basic chassis for mounting technical systems and armaments.

    The KamAZ-53949 is a Russian-made 4x4 mine resistant ambush protected vehicle (MRAP) designed and developed by the Company KAMAZ. The vehicle was unveiled for the first time to the public in 2014 during the defense exhibition KADEX in Kazakhstan.

    This vehicle can carried a total of 10 military personnel including driver and commander. It has a payload capacity of 2,000 kg. It offer high level of protection against ballistic and mine threats.

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    Good news thumbsup . BTW I didn't know that it was revealed 2 years ago.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:40 am

    Actually the UVZ Tigr-M is looking a lot like a family of vehicles these day, and off the top of my head I know we've seen Tigr-m's being used as a APC, a ATGM carrier, a recon/intelligence vehicle, a ECM vehicle, and a NBC/engineering vehicle.

    True, but as I said the same could be said of all the variants of the BTR-80 and BMP-1/2/3 and MTLB and even the T-90/80 there are command variants, artillery variants, electronic/engineer etc etc, but they are not designed to operate as one division with all the same vehicles... they are designed to reduce the different types needed but not eliminate odd types in a force.

    What I see happening:

    - Armata: heavy platform for around 50 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Kurganets: tracked platform for around 25 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Bumerang: wheeled platform for around 25 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - BMD-4M: light platform for around 15 tons armoured combat vehicles.
    - Typhoon: 6x6 APC/Armoured Trucks for around 20-25 tons transport in contested/combat areas. It is a family of vehicles, but not a single platform (different chasis seem used).
    - Bulat: Cheap 6x6 APC/Armoured Truck used to scort Surface-Surface missile vehicles in non-contested areas.

    Standard Russian units will be tank or motor infantry the same as they are now, but will become heavy, medium tracked, medium wheeled or light wheeled.

    The BMD-4 is specialised for the VDV and likely will fill the unique niche of light tracked vehicle that would be useful in rough country to the VDV.

    Typhoon will be a 4x4 or 6x6 vehicle family with unified engines and transmissions and systems and will basically replace the BRDM type vehicle family.

    MRAP type vehicles will be used by paramilitary forces and police forces and likely not so much the Russian military... in the past such forces have used military vehicles, but I suspect no longer.

    Note regarding two versions of typhoon... the Armata also has two versions... with front and rear engined models... but basically the same vehicle. the Typhoon will be the same with a lengthened 6 wheel model for heavier roles.


    What I do not see happening:

    - I do not see the Typhoon platform being developed for artillery, anti-tank or even IFV roles like the armata, kurganets, bumerang and BMD-4M platforms.

    First of all if Tigr can carry Kornet in the AT role why not Typhoon?

    A 6 wheel lengthened chassis version could easily have the 57mm gun... it wont carry an enormous troop number but high mobility should compensate for that.

    - I do not see the Typhoon platform being developed as a light platform. The vehicles adopted until now are between 20 and 25 tons.

    I have not seen any weight information for 4x4 or 6x6 typhoons.

    - I do not see the light semiarmoured trucks (Tigr, Iveco LMV,...) being orderded more for combat purposes.

    Perhaps because we have not seen the full range of vehicles for any of the families yet.

    Part of the problem is that is seems to be a popular name for current light vehicles... some of which might be for the Russian government contract, others just an MRAP for export or domestic sale to other customers.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  eehnie on Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:14 pm

    At this point, unlike in the cases of the armata, kurganets and bumerang platforms, is very uncertain, even very unlikely, to see standard tank or motor infantry units of the Russian Army equiped with light wheeled vehicles as combat warfare. This is not happening. A good number of light wheeled vehicles are failing in the tests, or in other steps previous to the official adoption, and the reasons for it are structural, not things that can be solved with minor design changes.

    It is obvious that the industry is spending in to develop these vehicles (maybe too much), and they want a commercial way for them at least in Russian security forces and for the export markets. Then it will not be public rejections of them that can damage their image for external markets, but at same time, there are not public reports of these vehicles being officially adopted for combat purposes, and there are not public reports of these vehicles being ordered and delivered for the Russian Armed Forces for combat purposes. We can not expect public rejections, but we are not having public positive official news, and this is what matter, to see them in service with the Russian Armed Forces.

    Potential uses for the light semiarmoured trucks:
    - Some operations of light military transport in non-contested areas.
    - Security forces that work in non-contested areas.
    - Export markets.

    GarryB wrote:Typhoon will be a 4x4 or 6x6 vehicle family with unified engines and transmissions and systems and will basically replace the BRDM type vehicle family.

    With the increasing use of drones, and of land robots, land reconnaissance vehicles like the BRDM-2 are losing place for operations in the front-line with the Russian armed forces. I think that vehicles of the same platform used by every unit will take the reconnaisance works that be not covered by drones or land robots, like it was done before with BTR-80, BMP-1 or BMP-3 reconnaissance variants. I do not think the Typhoon vehicles are oriented to replace the BRDM-2. I do not know where you see it. This is not happening now. The 6x6 Typhoon today seem more oriented to transport of soldiers and/or cargo in contested/combat areas.

    Also, as I commented with you other times, vehicles of different weight class share not chasis, engines or transmissions because of a number of reasons. If you doubt about it, you can see in the following links how the 3 first Typhoon variants, that are 6x6 and of the same weight class have all engines of 450hp (likely the same), while the 4x4 Typhoon vehicle (the last) seem to have an engine of 350hp, which obviously would be different.

    http://www.military-today.com/apc/kamaz_taifun.htm
    http://www.military-today.com/apc/ural_taifun.htm
    http://www.military-today.com/apc/kamaz_63969.htm
    http://www.military-today.com/apc/kamaz_53949.htm

    GarryB wrote:First of all if Tigr can carry Kornet in the AT role why not Typhoon?

    A MT-LB, BRDM-2, Tigr or Typhoon 4x4 with a Kornet mounted is a MT-LB, BRDM-2, Tigr or Typhoon 4x4 with a Kornet mounted. It makes not them "Anti-tank vehicles". Like a ZSU-23-2 mounted on a Toyota makes not the Toyota an anti-aircraft vehicle.

    GarryB wrote:I have not seen any weight information for 4x4 or 6x6 typhoons.

    In the previous links and in other sources the information is offered. Maybe this is why you keep thinking that the Typhoons are light vehicles.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:19 am

    A MT-LB, BRDM-2, Tigr or Typhoon 4x4 with a Kornet mounted is a MT-LB, BRDM-2, Tigr or Typhoon 4x4 with a Kornet mounted. It makes not them "Anti-tank vehicles". Like a ZSU-23-2 mounted on a Toyota makes not the Toyota an anti-aircraft vehicle.

    In a typhoon motor rifle division there needs to be a vehicle that carries ATGMs... at the moment in current MR Divs that vehicle is an MTLB with Shturm, Ataka and Krisantema missiles.

    In the previous links and in other sources the information is offered. Maybe this is why you keep thinking that the Typhoons are light vehicles

    I have not seen any information regarding Typhoon family vehicles designed for the light vehicle role. If it is going to be a medium weight vehicle then there is no point for it except as a lighter armed Boomerang for COIN ops and paramilitary operators.

    If you doubt about it, you can see in the following links how the 3 first Typhoon variants, that are 6x6 and of the same weight class have all engines of 450hp (likely the same), while the 4x4 Typhoon vehicle (the last) seem to have an engine of 350hp, which obviously would be different.

    If they are from the same family they will use the same transmission and engine. Having 100hp less does not make it a different engine.

    The engine for Armata has already been revealed to be 1,400hp in the current model for the tank but able to be uprated to 2,400hp in later versions. Different vehicles in the family use the same engine with slightly different ratings depending on max weight of that vehicle to ensure similar mobility performance for all vehicles in the family.

    The 4x4 will have the same engine as the 6x6 but derated by 100hp because of lower weight.


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