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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Austin on Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:15 pm

    Kamaz Taifun

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:26 am

    A while back there was a discussion about buying cheap BTRs for use in a post apocalypse survival scenario.

    If your budget can stretch this sort of vehicle would be much better for such a purpose.

    It has a Mad Max look to it.

    (Mad Max was a series of three Australian films set in a post apocalyptic Australia... which was ideal really cause they could just film it in Sydney... Twisted Evil Twisted Evil )

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Klingsor on Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:53 pm

    Austin wrote:Kamaz Taifun


    That´s some bad ass m'f'in' truck!


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    Post  Pugnax on Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:24 am

    Nice truck ,no anti IED boat hull shape,no armoured cupola panels....still building for 1982 arent we boys?
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:59 am

    The BTR-60 has a boat shaped hull and it is not anti IED.

    And just from that photo you can see how high the side of the truck is compared with the height of the axles... I would assume a V shaped hull to pull that off.

    No armoured panels?

    What do you think the bolts are for?
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    Post  Pugnax on Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:29 am

    Garry i was merely reflecting that a v shaped boathull construction seems to be the most survivable design,S.African Apcs are very successful as is the Lav design.Entire wheel assemblies get blown off but crew survival is very superior to a flat bottomed BMP/BMD or early BTRs.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:05 am

    If you look carefully at the photo... particularly the gap between the front wheels and how the front set of wheels with their axle are low enough to hide the second set of wheels from the angle the photo is taken suggests to me very low set wheels and a very low set axle.
    Now look at the side of the vehicle, which seems very high compared to the axle line of the wheels.

    Combine low mounted wheels and axles with high mounted body and when you join the dots you get a V shaped hull...
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    Post  Pugnax on Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:28 am

    I stand corrected.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Austin on Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:20 pm

    Pugnax,GarryB while we are at this discussion please check this post

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    Post  Pugnax on Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:29 am

    Nice link ,ty for sharing! Very Happy
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:27 am

    I stand corrected.

    The first photo posted was not a good angle to see really.

    Thanks for the extra photos Austin... even from the side and rear there is no obvious V shape... we would need a shot from the front from low down, ...not that I am having second thoughts BTW Smile
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    Post  Pugnax on Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:03 am

    The high profile of successful anti-mine boat hull designs is what first made me skeptical.The philosophy of low vis/profile units pervaded the Soviet era and into the Russian era as well.The high boat hull flips over easily,indeed many of CDN Lav casualties are reported linked to roll overs at speed on thoroughfares.Maybe a new technology can disipate shock and trauma,allowing for a lower profile to be utilized ,ie a liquid shock absorber insert?
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:26 am

    I know many in the west criticise the BMP-3 for its layout with the strange exit setup at the rear where they have to open a set of doors and then a set of roof hatches and then the main back doors to get out because unlike the BMP-1 and BMP-2 the engine in the BMP-3 is mounted in the rear and the exit tunnels/trenches basically allow the troops to escape out the rear over top of the engine.

    The reason was amphibious capability.

    In the earlier BMPs the frontal armour was designed to stop 20mm cannon rounds from 100m or more so the frontal armour was about 40mm of steel equivelent. This means the engine could be mounted at the front of the vehicle on the right hand side with two crew positions on the left hand side... the front position is the driver and the rear position is the commander with the gunner in the single person turret. In practise however the commander often kicked the gunner out of the turret so they could sit in the turret and get an all round view, though it meant they had to operate the weapons... which clearly was not ideal.
    The BMP-2 had the same layout except the turret was enlarged to hold two crew side by side... the commander and the vehicle gunner. This meant another soldier could sit in the front of the vehicle beside the front mounted engine and behind the driver.

    The problem was that when the BMP-3 was ready for service the much thicker frontal armour plus the extra weight of the very large turret made the front of the vehicle too heavy. Some models of the BMP-2 with extra armour exhibited very poor performance in the water including nose diving into banks.

    To make the BMP-3 retain its amphibious capability they had to shift the engine to the rear... which introduced the problem of how to get the troops out the rear of the vehicle... the resulting method is not ideal as they have to climb over it, but it means they keep the firepower, the extra frontal armour, and the amphibious capability.

    With as many rivers and streams as there are in Russia the amphibious capability is valuable enough to keep where possible... and there is certainly no reason why a V shaped hull could not be used for an amphibious vehicle design.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:24 am

    In the first quarter of 2013, at 201 Russian base in Tajikistan is about 200 units of automotive and special machinery.

    The largest land base of Russia abroad will join its fleet of three modifications the Uralov "with wheel formula 4 x 4 and 6 x 6, as well as mobile services of armament and military equipment in the field is the master èlektrospecrabot, tehremonta, and other samples.
    New cars are more fifth wheel coupling and geometry passability, equipped for operation under hot temperatures. All of them will stand on the warranty and service manufacturing enterprises that will be visiting teams.
    Equipment will be delivered to Tajikistan by special military echelons.



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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  medo on Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:57 pm

    George1 wrote:In the first quarter of 2013, at 201 Russian base in Tajikistan is about 200 units of automotive and special machinery.

    The largest land base of Russia abroad will join its fleet of three modifications the Uralov "with wheel formula 4 x 4 and 6 x 6, as well as mobile services of armament and military equipment in the field is the master èlektrospecrabot, tehremonta, and other samples.
    New cars are more fifth wheel coupling and geometry passability, equipped for operation under hot temperatures. All of them will stand on the warranty and service manufacturing enterprises that will be visiting teams.
    Equipment will be delivered to Tajikistan by special military echelons.



    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=484910458236607&set=a.289548557772799.66899.145866335474356&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

    Is Ural Taifun on the photo testing vehicle or are they already in armament? Anyway good news that bases outside Russia also got new equipment.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:07 pm

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    Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:48 pm

    http://s019.radikal.ru/i629/1306/77/ffdbafb0659a.jpg

    Ceramic applique armor obviously not yet installed, but good photo showing hull.

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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  Austin on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:38 am

    Which is that vehical ? Looks stunning
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  TR1 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:29 pm

    Much larger than Tigr- little Typhoon basically.
    Dedicated MRAP, something Tigr is not.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:57 am

    So more like an SM-3 type Medvedev vehicle?

    BTW the domestic name for the Sosna-R is Bagulnik.


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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  TR1 on Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:47 pm

    Yeah it looks closer to Medved.
    I think given how they are promoting the chassis as part of the Typhoon family, I suppose they took the Typhoon chassis and chopped off the front axel.
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    Re: Typhoon MRAP family vechiles

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:56 am

    Standardisation has its advantages...


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    The 30 Ural Typhoons have been completed.

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    On a more positive note:

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    The 30 Ural Typhoons have been completed.

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