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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Regular on Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:01 am

    Werewolf wrote:Crews of different weapons plattforms even Helicopters, often change settings or shut down Laser and Radar Warning Recievers due to the high amount of false alarms that can be created by the environments clutter in IR&Radar spectrum from own machines or tactics could be used to deplet tanks of their Smoke grenades, since they are automated, by emitting laser in the spectrum of Designators and LRF lazed on a tank and than quickly switching positions. False alarms are very bad for crews awarness of the battlefield and puts stress on them and confuses them of what is actually going on. Since the Shtora is controlling the turret movement when a source is lazing it, it would be quite annoying/stressful to the crew if the turret would turn around several times for false alarm. They probably shut it down due to that reason. Apache crews often have switched their RWR sensors to a different mode which suppresses clutter more effectivley but also makes it harder to pick up enemy bandwidth and might not get a notice when they are actually targeted.

    I agree with above, but tank was in engagement thus he had it on and hatches should be closed too.
    Also afaik Tow doesn't have to lase as it is wire guided.
    What I see is misused tank. PERFECTLY good tank used by incompetent crew
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Zivo on Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:22 am

    The good thing is, the TOW didn't defeat the T-90.

    The bad news is that the missile hit high, on the sloped part of the turret which HEAT has trouble with, and may have hit the gunner's sight.  So it's premature to say a T-90's armor can reliably defeat the TOW-2A.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:49 am

    kvs wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:http://www.gazeta.ru/army/2016/02/29/8101481.shtml?utm_medium=exchange

    It's official BGM-71E3 cannot penetrate the front turret of T90A-1992. It was nice knowing you guys.

    So the clowns who thought that shipping the takfiris TOW systems would be like shipping "Stingers to the mujaheddin" were
    uninformed idiots.  If they have any functional brains in Washington, there must be a lot of sleepless nights for them these
    days.  All the their grand plans to take out Russia with a few NATO bases and the ABM "shield" are not going to pan out.
    They really have no idea what Russia's capabilities are.


    Actually TOW's are far more dangerous than Stingers and have been sent in huge numbers. There's the inventory of à médium sized European country that has been fired in Syria. With at least 1200 TOWS used. As for this encounter, the deal is simple. Monkeys using à system like monkeys on a more protected target, gives à thug life meme.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:07 pm

    The information of T-90A and 1992 model is very incorrect.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:16 pm

    Werewolf wrote:The information of T-90A and 1992 model is very incorrect.

    Indeed. There's 12 years between the two.

    Got carried away with A's everywhere.

    Tow2A
    T90A

    etc. But that's a huge gaffe on my behalf, although, if the original T90 is immune to that spot, the 90A should be too.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:13 am

    Well talk about these Syrians making mistakes... they parked a tank in a position where only the heaviest armour could be targeted... if they had spotters deployed they might have been able to hit at least the launcher if not the crew...


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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:29 am

    GarryB wrote:Well talk about these Syrians making mistakes... they parked a tank in a position where only the heaviest armour could be targeted... if they had spotters deployed they might have been able to hit at least the launcher if not the crew...

    Actually at that distance they don't need spotters. It's well within Irtysh PID range. And the TC was firing on the general direction of the Moderats. It's just them using good materiel like crap.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:58 am

    yeah... like looking down a sniper scope at a target... why didn't they see it coming... how could the Muj or the Vietnamese have been so successful with their hit and run tactics... I mean the target must know it is coming so they can be ready all the time for that split second warning of an attack... how well trained were the US forces in Vietnam or Soviet forces in Afghanistan?


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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:52 am

    Looking forward to see a captured TOW on Russian TV.

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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:11 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Looking forward to see a captured TOW on Russian TV.

    Russians like Trophies Twisted Evil

    TOW tubes have been captured as late as this february. The CLU is something that will not be easy to capture as the teams usually don't have many tubes with them, thus expose themselves very little.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  franco on Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:43 pm

    Read this week that the T-90A's in Syria appear to be from the first batch produced and had previously been with the 20th Motor Rifle Brigade in Volgograd. Anyone else see anything about this? Certainly will reduce the number being upgraded to T-90AM.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Mike E on Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:56 pm

    franco wrote:Read this week that the T-90A's in Syria appear to be from the first batch produced and had previously been with the 20th Motor Rifle Brigade in Volgograd. Anyone else see anything about this? Certainly will reduce the number being upgraded to T-90AM.
    Interesting. This coincides with an earlier report that the earliest T-90A's would not be upgraded to M.

    Technically, as long as they are not destroyed...
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:52 am

    franco wrote:Read this week that the T-90A's in Syria appear to be from the first batch produced and had previously been with the 20th Motor Rifle Brigade in Volgograd. Anyone else see anything about this? Certainly will reduce the number being upgraded to T-90AM.

    Those aren't T90A's. It's original T90's.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:23 am

    Original 1992 T-90's will certainly not be upgraded A's however already have necessary changes to justify an upgrade to M's.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Dima on Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:02 pm

    Военный Советник ‏@miladvisor  2 hours ago
    Presumably photo of #SAA T-90 tank from video, which was hit by militants TOW



    From this angle nothing much is visible other than damaged 'red eye's and one K-5 tile missing which probably went active.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:43 pm

    Dima wrote:Военный Советник ‏@miladvisor  2 hours ago
    Presumably photo of #SAA T-90 tank from video, which was hit by militants TOW


    From this angle nothing much is visible other than damaged 'red eye's and one K-5 tile missing which probably went active.

    ult wrote:I think this was the T-90 model 1992. Number 21_4. Did anyone mention it?




    Seems like the very exact tank and indeed the old T-90 (1992) version which has armor configuration of T-72B.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:59 pm

    T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:39 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!

    What was the TOW version TOW2A?
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:58 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!

    Meanwhile 1970's era Konkurs has proven it can penetrate the turret front of the M1A2 Abrams and destroy it. russia
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:09 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!

    What was the TOW version TOW2A?

    Yes BGM-71E3 Doesn't get more explicit than that.

    And yeah Fagot or Konkurs punched right through side Abrams and armored shutter of the bustle. Not only that, but it fried the guys inside. Suddenly the 68 tons of Abroomz, don't feel that much of a safe heaven.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Book. on Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:16 am

    В Сети, наконец, появилось фото Т-90, выдержавшего попадание ПТУР TOW-2
    Russia T-90 v Tow 2: Photo | March 20, 2016 [03.20.2016 16:08:37]

    After a wave of enthusiastic publications about "the reliability of Russian armor" appeared on the Web video hit with missiles anti-missile system in the TOW-2 T-90 tank sample in 1992 gradually came to naught. Many waited for the Syrian military publish their videos with this machine, or at least some photographs. But time passed and nothing happened. And so the suspicion began to arise on the part of the expert community, all in the case did not go so smoothly.

    These fears are denied people who were more fully informed about what is happening in Syria. Thus, the editor of the magazine "Arsenal Fatherland" Viktor Murakhovski on the forum site "Courage," said that everything is fine with the tank he arrived at the Syrian armored repair plant, where he changed the dynamic protection and headroom sights.
    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2016/03/90-tow-2.html



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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:02 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!

    Meanwhile 1970's era Konkurs has proven it can penetrate the turret front of the M1A2 Abrams and destroy it. russia

    500mm RHA penetration to the side, not front. The Kornet did the iraqi M1A1M front to rear even the interior volume that can be considered as air gap armor of around two meters has not effected the Kornet penetrator in the slightest to pierce through bustle and leave crew open to fire.

    Just like i argued before it occured along with others, that ammunition bustle does not make it magically safe and since the americans do not use anything else but SABOTs and MPHEAT aimed backwards they are not going to have much boom, but as soon they load HE-frag rounds the flimsy thin ammunition bustle access door will not withstand the pressure.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:07 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!

    Meanwhile 1970's era Konkurs has proven it can penetrate the turret front of the M1A2 Abrams and destroy it. russia

    500mm RHA penetration to the side, not front. The Kornet did the iraqi M1A1M front to rear even the interior volume that can be considered as air gap armor of around two meters has not effected the Kornet penetrator in the slightest to pierce through bustle and leave crew open to fire.

    Just like i argued before it occured along with others, that ammunition bustle does not make it magically safe and since the americans do not use anything else but SABOTs and MPHEAT aimed backwards they are not going to have much boom, but as soon they load HE-frag rounds the flimsy thin ammunition bustle access door will not withstand the pressure.

    The trick is to breach the shutter. Once the shutter is pierced overpressure will do it's thing.

    MPATS will cook you just the same and the propellant will stew you instead of roasting you. ...Them Saudis know about it.
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    Re: T-90 Main Battle Tank

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:31 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    The trick is to breach the shutter. Once the shutter is pierced overpressure will do it's thing.

    MPATS will cook you just the same and the propellant will stew you instead of roasting you. ...Them Saudis know about it.

    True.
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    On the Russian Tank Damaged by a US Missile in Syria

    Post  nemrod on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:57 am


    I hesitated to post into the syrian conflict topic, however as this article concerns directly the technologies involving T-90, and its supposed failed anti missile shield "Shtora" I posted in this area. Could you tell please me if the TOW 2 could disabled a T-90 MS ?


    http://www.defensetech.org/2016/03/30/on-the-russian-tank-damaged-by-a-us-missile-in-syria/

    On the Russian Tank Damaged by a US Missile in Syria

    POSTED BY: BRENDAN MCGARRY MARCH 30, 2016
    The incident involving a Russian-made T-90 tank that was struck by a U.S.-made TOW missile in Syria is making headlines again after a picture surfaced allegedly showing the damage.

    Last month, a YouTube video was published that depicts a Syrian rebel in Sheikh Aqil, a town near Aleppo, firing a BGM-71 TOW (for tube-launched, optically tracked, wire-guided) missile at a T-90 tank apparently operated by Syrian forces. The T-90 is Russia’s main battle tank and entered service in the 1990s.

    Last week, as reported by War is Boring and The Washington Post, an image was posted on Twitter by a user identified as Qalaat Al Mudiq that appears to show the damaged tracked vehicle.


    Indeed, one of the two light boxes affixed on either side of the main gun as part of the “Shtora” electro-optical active protection system is visibly dislodged and dangling from its mount. As readers of this blog pointed out, it appears the frontal reactive armor on the T-90 did more to disrupt the missile than anything else.

    And to clear up any confusion, the TOW is wire-guided by the operator and does not need a laser designation. After launching the missile, the operator keeps the sight pointed at the target and two wires trailing the projectile control its trajectory using information from the guidance system.

    That means the Shtora as it’s currently known wouldn’t necessarily activate against the wire-guided TOW, but it would against laser-guided AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, MK-80N-series bombs and AGM-65 Maverick missiles.

    https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/711534079410311168/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


    Here is the photo of disabled T-90


    Here's the T-90 allegedly hit by Suqur al-Jebal #TOW last 26th Feb.in W. #Aleppo. Right Shtora broken. @MinsterTX
    1:45 PM - 20 Mar 2016



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