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    ATGM for Russian tanks.

    Post  Ives on Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:34 am

    Should Russia build its own top attack ATGM? LAHAT and KSTAM seems to be superior to the tank-used ATGMs Russia currently has. Don't know much about Sprinter for Armata, though. So, what do you guys think?
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    Re: Russian Tank guns Ammunition

    Post  Interlinked on Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:54 am

    If tanks are going to be used for long range indirect fire on a regular basis, then I would recommend an unassisted top attack shell with a laser seeker like Kitolov-2M and GRAN. A 125mm HE warhead with a delay fuze should be more than enough to deal with the roof armour of any modern tank in service.
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    Re: ATGM for Russian tanks.

    Post  Ives on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:07 am

    Interlinked wrote:If tanks are going to be used for long range indirect fire on a regular basis, then I would recommend an unassisted top attack shell with a laser seeker like Kitolov-2M and GRAN. A 125mm HE warhead with a delay fuze should be more than enough to deal with the roof armour of any modern tank in service.

    These toys are 120mm. Most Russian tanks use 125mm canon. The most modern ATGM they can use for now is Reflex-M, which kinda inferior to LAHAT, though. I don't know much about Sprinter, btw. Only in the case of 152mm version of T-14, Russian tanks gonna have major superiority against LAHAT and KSTAM, thanks to the ability to use Kornet-1D and Krasnopol-M. But, it seems to me, that a new modification of Reflex should be developed for T-72B3, T-90M and T-80BVM as a response to LAHAT as well.

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    Re: Russian Tank guns Ammunition

    Post  Interlinked on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:30 am

    What is the advantage of increasing the direct fire range of anti-tank missiles beyond what has already been achieved with Refleks and Svir? What are the chances of a T-80VBM seeing and identifying a tank-type target at 8 km in Central Europe?
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    Re: Russian Tank guns Ammunition

    Post  Ives on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:36 am

    Interlinked wrote:What is the advantage of increasing the direct fire range of anti-tank missiles beyond what has already been achieved with Refleks and Svir? What are the chances of a T-80VBM seeing and identifying a tank-type target at 8 km in Central Europe?

    Tank should be suitable not only for european terrain IMHO. It should be functional in all hypothetical scenarios I think.

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    Re: Russian Tank guns Ammunition

    Post  Interlinked on Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:58 am

    The problem idoes not merely concern terrain obstacles, but also the weather conditions and the magnification capabilities of the sighting system. Even if a T-80BVM were sitting atop a hill in Syria and looking out into never ending plains, the weather is probably not good enough for the crew to see a tank-sized target at 8 km, not to mention the fact that Russian thermal imaging optics have very limited digital zoom capabilities. Sosna-U only has 3x optical zoom (day channel) and 6x digital zoom (thermal vision channel). That's very, very bad. Contemporary Western FLIR sights have more than 20x digital magnification.

    Plus, you can't identify a tank from a truck or even a decently sized diesel generator at 8 km with a high magnification thermal imager, especially if the target is a NATO tank and is wearing Barracuda thermoptic camouflage. Because of this, the long range of LAHAT can only be exploited by forward observers equipped with a laser designator, not by the tank alone. The tank firing the LAHAT would be doing so in an indirect fire mode, not in direct fire, and that's why I said "If tanks are going to be used for long range indirect fire on a regular basis, then I would recommend an unassisted top attack shell with a laser seeker like Kitolov-2M and GRAN."

    It's simply not feasible any other way.

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