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    Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  Austin on Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:00 pm

    Russia will create analogues of American missile defense systems

    http://www.rg.ru/2014/12/08/rakety-site.html

    United States engaged in the development of fundamentally new means of aerospace attack, can dramatically change the course and outcome of combat operations during the air-space operations. This was stated by general designer Concern PVO "Almaz-Antey" Paul Sozinov.

    - A whole range of activities carried out in the United States, allowing them to turn on the 2020 switch to a fundamentally new class of weapons in terms of warheads and delivery of precision weapons to target, primarily mezhsrednyh aircraft, ballistic missile development in terms of use in a combat maneuvering load elements and a number of other areas that are characterized by the development of non-traditional delivery methods to defeat the object of ammunition as in nuclear and in the standard version - said Sozinov and as an example cited the implemented projects in the United States of hypersonic vehicles mezhsrednyh program "Falcon", and X -37.

    Orbital combat vehicles, which, in particular, are on the program of the X-37, successfully carried out a series of flight experiments. "They make it possible, in principle, already show up to three warheads and deliver them to the target after they walked along the orbital parameters system of missile warning and other means of control," - said the general designer.

    The X-37 program is developing in the direction of increasing range to deliver nuclear warheads and a significant expansion of its capabilities. The key here, according Sozinova are maneuvering capabilities to change the orbital parameters of the flight and increase the payload.

    To counter such threats, be sure to general designer, you need to change the requirements for Russian radar systems of missile warning and space surveillance systems and weapons.

    Space echelon updated Early-warning radar, according Sozinova earned in a new capacity until 2020, and perhaps earlier. Technical solutions for this tested. In addition, there is the creation of radar field over the territory of Russia in the medium and high altitudes, which greatly increased the ability to detect dynamic purposes. With regard to the detection of the enemy at low and extremely low altitudes, then help in solving this problem is the creation of local groups.

    Speaking about the development of new technologies for cutting-edge systems and systems of aerospace defense, Sozinov listed the development of active phased array antennas. Another Russian industry has made significant progress in creating fuel for interceptor missiles, thermal barrier coatings that can withstand heat up to 3.5 thousand degrees Celsius. Work on the fairing of the new generation of homing capable of withstanding temperatures of several thousand degrees. In the interest of national defense are developed and multispectral homing missile.

    There is another important news from the generals defense. According Sozinova, Russia creates its own equivalent of the American missile defense system THAAD and GMD. In the short term, they must be received into the armed forces. This, according to the general director, would "solve the problem of intercepting ballistic missiles, medium-range and on a limited scale - warhead intercontinental ballistic missiles." Sozinov reported and the development of other complex analogue of the American missile defense - CMD with rocket GBI.

    - A kind of analogue of the system, but in the mobile version, is also created in the Russian Federation. He has several other features - at the request of the Ministry of Defense, we must provide substantially more efficient interception than do Americans. Prototypes of these complexes we are actively engaged and assume that in the near future they will stand the Russian Army, "- said Sozinov.

    He gave an assessment of the arsenal of aerospace attack the United States. The main threat in it, according to the director general, is the massive use of cruise missiles. Such conclusions experts made by analyzing armed conflicts of recent times, particularly in Iraq and Libya.

    - That rearmament program, first of all sea-based means that the United States spend, allowing them to go in the period 2015-2016 gg. on the total amount of the possible delivery to the important objects of the Russian Federation about 6.5-7 thousand cruise missiles, with about 5,000 - from sea carriers - said the general designer.

    He recalled that the United States implemented a program to refurbish nuclear submarines, originally intended for delivery of intercontinental ballistic missiles, cruise missiles in the media. In particular, three submarines of class "Ohio" refitted for cruise missiles. Each boat can carry up to afford 154 cruise missiles ready for combat use.

    "This is - a great potential application in the first phase of hostilities massive strike, and it should be taken into account when building the air defense system at the level of anti-aircraft missile forces - says Sozinov. According to him, the massive use of cruise missiles in the first phase of hostilities can cause enormous damage to objects of strategic nuclear forces of Russia.
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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  Viktor on Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:17 pm

    Excellent news Austin. As I suspected Russian ABM program is larger than we thought Very Happy

    My vote man thumbsup


    and for somewhat extra explanation Very Happy

    The latest anti-aircraft missile system S-500 missile defense system will combine with Moscow

    MOSCOW, December 8 - RIA Novosti. The newest anti-aircraft missile system S-500 in the future will be combined with the missile defense system A-135, according to an anniversary edition, dedicated to the centennial of the creation of the Russian air defense systems.


    "In the future, the S-500 is planned to merge with the only Russian missile defense system A-135, which protects Moscow and central region of the country. In the near future to replace the latter must come a new missile defense system A-235," - says the publication .

    Start of operation and alerting the latest generation of S, according to preliminary estimates, scheduled for 2017.

    S-500 is a new generation of anti-aircraft missile systems "ground-to-air." It is a universal set of long-range and high-altitude interception with a high potential for missile defense and is able to intercept ballistic missiles. Prospective AAMS is capable of hitting not only ballistic, but also aerodynamic targets (aircraft, helicopters and other air targets), as well as cruise missiles.
    C-500 has a range of 600 kilometers and will be able to detect and simultaneously hit up to 10 ballistic supersonic targets flying at a speed of up to 7 kilometers per second, as well as be able to defeat warheads of hypersonic missiles. According to its characteristics C-500 will significantly exceed the standing armed with S-400 and its US rival Patriot Advanced Capability-3.

    Russian air defense forces on December 8 the centenary. Over a century of history air defense forces have gone from a small compound airships defending Petrograd, the most important kind of troops to the Armed Forces, equipped with the most modern military equipment.


    also of no less importance (if not even bigger), besides developing A-225 a mobile Russian A-225 is in development phase

    Russia will create its analogues American THAAD missile defense systems and GMD

    He also said that in the Russian Federation to create an analogue of another American missile defense complex - GMD with a missile to intercept the GBI. General designer Group recalled that on the American system has already conducted a series of tests.
    "A certain analogue of this system, but in the mobile version, is also created in the Russian Federation. He has a few other features - at the request of the Ministry of Defense, we must provide substantially more efficient interception than Americans do," - said Sozinov.


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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  Sujoy on Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:47 am

    Sorry for sounding dense, but I could not understand these official statements:

    The X-37 program is developing in the direction of increasing range to deliver nuclear warheads and a significant expansion of its capabilities. The key here, according Sozinova are maneuvering capabilities to change the orbital parameters of the flight and increase the payload.

    To counter such threats, be sure to general designer, you need to change the requirements for Russian radar systems of missile warning and space surveillance systems and weapons.


    Russia will create its analogues American THAAD missile defense systems and GMD

    My point is the S-500 is being developed to be an anti ICBM system as well as an anti satellite system.

    Therefore, the S-500 can intercept the X-37 or any incoming ballistic missile.

    So where is the need for a THAAD style system or for that matter a system that can take out X-37?
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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:45 pm

    The article is kinda vague. To my understanding, they are talking about something already in development to do these things. In the end, I believe they are talking about S-500 itself as yes, it does all those things.
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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:44 pm

    It is Desinformatsya

    Either intentional or accidental
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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:16 am

    I am a little confused too... the only real advantage of THAAD was a much higher altitude for target engagement over the S-300 and S-300V because otherwise in terms of range and targets intercepted the Soviet systems outperformed THAAD in most areas and S-400 and S-500 took that a level further.

    Very simply the THAAD could not have the performance of S-500 without breaking the 1978 ABM treaty which was in effect when THAAD was developed so S-500 is a far more capable system.

    The only reason for developing a THAAD like system would be to have a smaller lighter cheaper version of S-500... say an S-250 that could be deployed more widely, say with S-350 units to engage ballistic targets outside the atmosphere.

    is this a new system or modernized old S-300Vs?

    Yes... a considerable modernisation beyond the Antei-2500 upgrade of the S-300V systems which are the army versions of the S-300 system. (identifiable by the fact that all the vehicles and support vehicles are tracked)


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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  Sujoy on Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:39 am

    GarryB wrote:The only reason for developing a THAAD like system would be to have a smaller lighter cheaper version of S-500... say an S-250 that could be deployed more widely, say with S-350 units to engage ballistic targets outside the atmosphere.

    A combination of S-350 and S-400 can very easily address this issue.

    THAAD was never designed to intercept MIRVs.

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    Russia will create its analogues of American THAAD and GMD missile defense systems

    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:51 am

    AFAIK the main feature of THAAD is its high altitude intercept performance... up to 150km in altitude.

    Otherwise its horizontal range is mediocre... just 200km, which is only about 40km greater than the larger S-350 missile.

    The 400km range S-400 is reported to be able to hit targets at 185km altitude and at 400km ranges so it is already superior to THAAD with 25km extra altitude and double the horizontal range...

    Like I said however, perhaps they want a smaller lighter cheaper missile that could be located with an S-350 system to do the same job. It would free up S-400 systems to protect more strategic targets... and enhance the capabilities of S-350 units.


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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:58 pm

    I honestly feel like 2 missile aren't adequate, and 4 missiles with a larger and more powerful TEL would be more sufficient.
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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:46 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I honestly feel like 2 missile aren't adequate, and 4 missiles with a larger and more powerful TEL would be more sufficient.

    How about just two TELs instead? That would give you 2 x 2 = 4 missiles

    Twice the TELs = Twice the targets

    Only thing is cost but maybe making a 4-missile TEL with chassis, suspension and an engine that can cope with the weight is not worth the cost and trouble itself.
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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  medo on Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:50 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I honestly feel like 2 missile aren't adequate, and 4 missiles with a larger and more powerful TEL would be more sufficient.

    Why? S-500 is the highest tear SAM complex and will not work alone. They will be most probably be used for defense against IRBM and LEO satellites. Other targets will be delivers to lower tear complexes like S-400, S-350, S-300V4,...
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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:58 pm

    Finally ... a clue ... now for the whole package russia

    and whats more important this monster is mobile meaning its radar set will be too .... thumbsup
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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:12 am

    That thing has nothing to do with S-500 BTW.

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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  eridan on Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:05 am

    if you know it has nothing to do with s500 then you should know what it is or what does real s500 launcher look like. so what is it?
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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:52 am

    the reason it has two ready to fire missiles instead of four probably is to do with strategic mobility.

    A two missile vehicle probably fits quite nicely in an An-124 and possibly also an An-22 and also on a standard rail carriage.

    Putting four missiles would reduce mobility and likely make the transporter even more expensive and less mobile.


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    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:01 am

    eridan wrote:if you know it has nothing to do with s500 then you should know what it is or what does real s500 launcher look like. so what is it?

    Almaz-Anteii mentioned it already, quite separetly from Triumphator-M.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1137442.html

    " Основные опытно-конструкторские работы по договорам с головными исполнителями заданий ГОЗ.
    · по теме «Нудоль» [Стрельбовой комплекс 14Ц033 с командно-вычислительным пунктом 14П078 системы ПРО А-235]:
    - изготовлено и отгружено шасси МЗКТ для установки П222;
    - обеспеченно изготовление оборудования установки в согласованном объеме.
    · по теме «Нудоль-СГ»:"

    Full on ABM system.

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    Post  rambo54 on Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:05 am

    eridan wrote:if you know it has nothing to do with s500 then you should know what it is or what does real s500 launcher look like. so what is it?
    a couple of month ago we discussed this kind of drawings as S-500....who knows....


    the launcher looks similiar. Maybe - as always - they suffered some weight problems and need a 6th axle...


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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:12 am

    So that is A-235... very big missiles, but also very mobile looking system... perhaps they will make some for each military district headquarters... now that the ABM treaty no longer applies they can spread the moscow ABM system upgrade around the place.... Smile


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    Post  rambo54 on Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:19 am

    GarryB wrote:So that is A-235... very big missiles, but also very mobile looking system... perhaps they will make some for each military district headquarters... now that the ABM treaty no longer applies they can spread the moscow ABM system upgrade around the place.... Smile

    I think you are right. This could be a mobile ABM System on base of MZKT 79221 or on base of the MZKT 27291 which is said to be intended for the RS-26 IRBM.
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1137442.html



    The use of SSM missile trucks for ABM stuff is not unusual and happened for 5Ya27 (transport & emplacement vehicle)





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    Russian ABM Systems

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:31 am

    thank you! i guess it is possible it is part of a235. though, now i am wondering, just what role is s500 for? againsdt atacms there is s300/400 family. against icbm warheads reentering atmosphere there is a235. but what is s500 for then? the west has no missiles in the intermediate range.

    The expansion of the Moscow ABM system to cover the HQs of each of the four military districts is purely speculation on my part.

    I think it would make sense to duplicate the Moscow ABM system with its new upgrades to defend Moscow and St Petersberg etc etc ie one in each military district, but I have no evidence they would do this.

    Either way... just because the vehicle looks fully mobile that doesn't make all the components of the system mobile.

    The S-500 is an anti ICBM system that will likely have anti satellite capability as well and will be the missile between the S-400 and the A-235 in terms of performance and capability.

    Figures supposedly are 600m range and 7km/s target speed for S-500 likely with altitude capabilities of perhaps 200-400km.

    The A-235 should be able to reach higher and further and faster targets.


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    Russia New ABM Systems

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:09 pm

    Apparently Russia is building a THAAD/GMD analog, and it doesn't seem to be the S-500, but a new system entirely.

    Elements of new missile defense system tested in Russia

    ST. PETERSBURG, January 23. /TASS/. Russia is testing elements of a new missile defense system, Yan Novikov, CEO of Almaz-Antei Concern, said on Friday.

    “Currently, we are carrying out field tests of elements of a new missile defense system,” he said.

    Meanwhile, he noted that the missile defense system that was developed in the 1990s is still being used as having no analogues in the world by a number of parameters.

    In December 2014, Almaz-Antei’s designer general Pavel Sozinov said that Russian analogues of US’s THAAD and GMD missile defense systems would be developed in the next few years.

    Russia’s new military doctrine allows creation of joint missile defense systems

    Russia’s new military doctrine does not rule out creation of joint missile defense systems together with other countries on condition of Russia’s equal participation. The doctrine’s 2010 edition did not mention that possibility.

    The document published in late December sets forth Russia’s main tasks in deterring and preventing military conflicts. They include creation of mechanisms of mutually beneficial bilateral and multilateral cooperation in counteracting possible missile threats, including, if necessary, creation of joint missile defense systems if Russia has equal participation in these projects.

    In addition to that, the document goes on to say, the Military doctrine provides for preventing attempts by separate countries (or a group of countries) to gain military superiority by stationing strategic anti-missile defense systems and strategic non-nuclear systems of precision weapons as well as deploying weapons in outer space.
    http://itar-tass.com/en/russia/773064
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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:12 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Apparently Russia is building a THAAD/GMD analog, and it doesn't seem to be the S-500, but a new system entirely.

    Either S-500 or A-225 it does not matter as both systems are about to enter service in a matter of few years thumbsup

    and here is something interesting ... new Almaz-Antey testing facility

    In St. Petersburg, opens testing facility Concern "Almaz-Antey"
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:12 am

    The Russian answer to THAAD and GMD are S-400 and S-500 respectively... the main difference being that S-400 has twice the range of THAAD, but S-500 will only have a range of about 600km or so.

    Of course with the ABM treaty no longer in force they can bring out all sorts of mobile anti missile and anti satellite systems...


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    Re: Russia's New ABM Systems

    Post  Viktor on Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:00 am

    Nice thumbsup

    Ministry of Defense: the creation of anti-aircraft missile system S-500 is on schedule


    Now we know what has been tested few days ago respekt

    Completion date development work to create anti-aircraft missile system S-500 is scheduled for 2017 and currently do not move, Deputy Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov.



    and some nice news

    C-500 has a range of 600 kilometers and will be able to detect and simultaneously hit up to 10 ballistic supersonic targets flying at a speed of up to 7 kilometers per second, as well as be able to defeat warheads of hypersonic missiles.

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