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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:45 am

    Jesus guys. Stop with this non-sense. What distinguishes Russia and the US currently when considering their results in the Tigris Euphrates Area is the coherence of Russian Objectives and Incoherence of US objectives. Those are made worse by the very effective alliance between Russia and Iran and the completely dysfunctional relationship between the US and its partners in the Area.

    It means nothing in the bigger picture. The US has more means to conduct open, symmetrical warfare than Russia. Has more projection assets etc. If the deal becomes a Russia/US conflict (god help us all), the posture of both sides will determine the outcome. I do not see Russia wanting to wage war to the US. I can imagine a chain of events that could see the US call it dibs and start WW3.

    The simplicity of the Russian approach shouldn't be construed as a better or more effective way to wage war. It's just the simplest way. For Russia.

    All the rest is pure fantasy.
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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  max steel on Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:20 am

    Fanboys exist on both the sides. Wink
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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:26 am

    What nonsense?

    It is US officials and potential presidents claiming Russia is the threat to the whole world and much more dangerous than ISIS or Ebola... if they want to spout that crap then why not make comparisons?

    Russia is introducing its super soldier system in the field.

    Russia is in the process of introducing a wide range of all new equipment and systems including a revolutionary family based approach to armoured vehicles in different weight classes.

    Its air power has progressed enormously and is clearly able to go places and kill people just like the US has been doing for a while now... but what is the equivalent for the US... what can it do now that it could not do fifteen years ago? Still printing money. Still bombing countries and over charging them for the rebuild... presidents that talk the talk but are unable to walk the walk.

    Still making democracy a dirty word.


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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:41 am

    The $tronk is strong with this one.  Bring the discussion level up.  Threads like this are just embarrassing.


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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  George1 on Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:02 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:The $tronk is strong with this one.  Bring the discussion level up.  Threads like this are just embarrassing.

    i have tried to reduce such threads thats why i merge relative posts and topics in one, so as not the forum to be "polluted" with same discussions spread in different sections


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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  nemrod on Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:08 am

    In order to obtain the supremacy, U need to get the supremacy in electronic warfare. Once the superiority of electronic warfare is obtained U have the air supremacy, after U have the superiority in the ground.
    NATO, and US acknowledge they lost the electonic warfare.
    They said :

    Army falls 25 years behind other nations.

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/congress-moves-to-boost-militarys-electronic-warfare-capability/


    Congress Moves to Boost Military’s Electronic Warfare Capability
    Army falls 25 years behind other nations

    BY: Adam Kredo
    February 1, 2016 1:00 pm

    As Army leaders work behind the scenes to beef up the force’s electronic warfare capability, which lags about 25 years behind most other modern countries, Congress is readying a new piece of legislation to help military leaders procure the funds necessary to catch up with the rest of the globe, according to a preview of a new bill viewed by the Washington Free Beacon.

    Countries such a Russia, China, and Iran have made significant gains in the electronic warfare arena in recent years, according to congressional and military officials who spoke to the Free Beacon.

    Meanwhile, the United States has fallen far behind on this front due to shrinking budgets and an acquisitions process for new technologies that can take more than a decade to complete.

    The new bill seeks to cut through this red tape by giving Pentagon leaders more flexibility on how funds are spent within the electronic warfare umbrella. It is just the first step of many that will be required to bring the United States into the modern age, officials say.

    “It is critical our military dominate the offensive and defensive ends of electronic warfare because our enemies know they can harm our troops by targeting our electronic systems,” Sen. Mark Kirk (R., Ill.), a leading sponsor of the bill who recently met with military leaders to discuss the threat, told the Free Beacon.

    “My Electronic Warfare Enhancement Act will cut through the Pentagon’s bureaucracy in order to put critical electronic warfare technology into the hands of our servicemen and servicewomen as rapidly as possible,” Kirk said.

    Col. Jeffrey Church, chief of the Army’s electronic warfare division, told the Free Beacon that he and others have been working behind the scenes to convince Defense Department leaders of the necessity to catch up to other nations’ technological capabilities.

    “The [technology] is out there right now,” Church said. “We can go to industry. We can go to the government, off the shelf. The technology is there. Often times, people forget, but I say, ‘What do you think the Russians are using? Make-believe technology? No, it’s there. We could have, the U.S. army, a world class’” electronic warfare force.

    For more than a decade, the Army was out of the electronic warfare business, Church said. Other nations surpassed the United States during that time in technology and its use in the field.

    Senior military leaders, for instance, have described Russia’s capabilities on this front as “eye-watering.”

    From around 1995 to 2003, the Army had shuttered its electronic warfare units. Operations informally ramped up again around 2005, when a large number of troops were being killed and maimed by radio activated improvised explosive devices in Iraq.

    While the army shut its units down, other military branches, such as the Air Force, continued to operate in the electronic warfare arena.

    At the time, “We didn’t have any people. We didn’t have any equipment. We didn’t have any experience,” Church said. “All of that stuff had gone out of the inventory in the mid 1990s. So really the Army started building from zero.”

    Multiple Pentagon studies have concluded over the years that “the army is 25 years behind,” Church said. “The army needs to dedicate efforts to this resource. The army needs to rapidly get back in to the electronic warfare capabilities. Every study concludes the same thing.”

    Since Army operations on the electronic warfare front ramped back up, leaders have developed a plan to procure new systems and technology that would enable troops to conduct both defensive and offensive electronic operations.

    However, most of that technology will not be in place until 2023 or beyond, according to timelines viewed by the Free Beacon. The chief obstacle is securing the necessary funds in a time when military resources are being whittled down.

    “Everything comes down to dollars,” Church said. “It doesn’t matter how good your program is, how important your program is, if your program doesn’t get dollars it doesn’t go anywhere.”

    Kirk’s bill offers a remedy for this problem.

    It would provide Pentagon leaders with flexibility in how funds are spent, and it would permit them to use any appropriated funds for electronic warfare to be used for the development and implementation of equipment.

    This means that troops in the field will more quickly receive the technology they need to conduct electronic warfare missions.

    Congress wants the Pentagon to speed up its acquisitions process so that capabilities can be fielded in around two years, which amounts to a much shorter timeline than the current standard.

    Kirk’s bill would give the electronic warfare portfolio what is known as Rapid Acquisition Authority. This designation would allow officials to waive certain rules that slow down the process.
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    Germans acknowaledged the superiority of russsian army.

    Post  nemrod on Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:38 pm

    An evidence that we have been realizing for few years. In fact since the deployment of the SU-35, SU-30 SM, Mig-31, Mig-29, Mig-33, and the future Mig-35 on US aircrafts, and the superiority of russian electronic warfare on any US hardware. US is relying on stealth and BVR, nowadays they are becoming pointless.
    Henceforth a think is sure, Russia achieved a superiority on NATO. If a war occurs undoubtedly, Russia will win. This ascertainment is becoming now an evidence.


    http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/nato-geheimpapier-russland-ist-nato-kraeften-in-syrien-ueberlegen_id_5336051.html

    Nato-GeheimpapierRussland ist Nato-Kräften in Syrien überlegen



    Seit September fliegt die russische Luftwaffe Angriffe in Syrien. Dabei wird immer wieder angeprangert, dass Putins Bomber auch Hunderte Zivilisten töten. Ausgerechnet die Nato allerdings lobt Russland: Der Einsatz sei "präzise und effizient", heißt es - und hätte eine deutlich größere Wirkung als der Einsatz der Nato-Flotte.

    Das nordatlantische Militärbündnis Nato hat der in Syrien eingesetzten russischen Luftwaffe ein hohes Maß an Professionalität bescheinigt. Dies berichtet das Nachrichtenmagazin FOCUS unter Berufung auf eine vertrauliche Nato-Analyse aus Brüssel.

    Obwohl die Kampfflugzeuge der russischen Streitkräfte den Jets der westlichen Allianz zahlenmäßig deutlich unterlegen sind, erzielten die Kreml-Piloten bei Einsätzen gegen das Terror-Netzwerk IS und andere Rebellengruppen insgesamt eine größere Wirkung. Grund dafür sei die höhere Frequenz der russischen Luftangriffe, zitiert FOCUS aus dem Geheimpapier.

    Demnach flogen rund 40 der bei Latakia stationierten russischen Kampfjets zuletzt bis zu 75 Einsätze pro Tag. Die Luftschläge seien „präzise und effizient“. Die Nato-Flotte mit insgesamt 180 Maschinen griff täglich lediglich 20 Ziele am Boden an. Präsident Wladimir Putin, Oberbefehlshaber der russischen Streitkräfte, will in nächster Zeit bis zu 140 Kampfjets in Syrien einsetzen. Kürzlich ließ er bereits vier hochmodernde Maschinen vom Typ Suchoi Su-35 nach Latakia verlegen. Die Su-35 ist nach Ansicht von Fachleuten den meisten Fliegern aus westlicher Produktion überlegen.



    IS hat Machtdemonstrationen am Boden eingestellt

    Laut NATO galten bislang nur 20 Prozent der russischen Angriffe der terroristischen IS-Miliz. Die übrigen Attacken richteten sich gegen Anti-Assad-Milizen, von denen einige vom Westen unterstützt werden. Die starke Präsenz der Kampfflieger hat dazu geführt, dass es seit Wochen keine großen Bewegungen der Aufständischen mehr am Boden gibt. Insbesondere die Terror-Miliz IS, die zur Propaganda mit langen Fahrzeug-Kolonnen durch besetzte Gebiete fuhr, verzichtet nunmehr aus Angst vor Luftangriffen auf ihre Machtdemonstrationen.

    Bei der Zielerfassung greifen die Kreml-Piloten laut FOCUS auf die syrische Luftbild-Aufklärung zurück. Zudem markierten russische Spezialeinheiten und Spione vor Ort strategisch wichtige Einrichtungen. Über die bei den Angriffen der alliierten und russischen Luftstreitkräfte getöteten Zivilisten gibt es in dem Geheim-Dokument keine Angaben. Nach Informationen der Syrischen Beobachtungsstelle für Menschenrechte kamen seit September 2015 allein bei russischen Luftschlägen mehr als 1700 Zivilisten ums Leben, darunter 423 Kinder.


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    Electronic Warfare: Russian Gains Threaten to 'Disconnect' U.S. Forces

    Post  nemrod on Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:00 pm


    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/electronic-warfare-russias-gains-threaten-disconnect-us-15323


    Electronic Warfare: Russian Gains Threaten to 'Disconnect' U.S. Forces

    Dave Majumdar

    February 25, 2016

    The United States will have to rebuild its capacity to counter Russia’s electronic warfare expertise in Europe. Electronic warfare—like much of America’s conventional warfighting capabilities—has been severely neglected during the twenty-five-year lull since the end of the Cold War. Moreover, for nearly fifteen years, the United States has been focused on counter-insurgency warfare in the Middle East rather than preparing for war against another great power.

    But with a newly resurgent Russia once again threatening the peace in Europe, the United States will have to reinvest in electronic and cyber warfare to counter Moscow’s advancements in those fields. “For twenty years we’ve been making a partner out of Russia so our focus has not been on the capabilities that they have been developing,” U.S. Air Force Gen. Philip Breedlove, commander of U.S. European Command told the House Armed Services Committee on February 25. “Secondly, for all the right reasons, for the last thirteen or so years, our nation’s military has been focused on counterinsurgency operations—COIN—in Afghanistan and fighting Al Qaeda.”

    Since neither the Taliban nor Al Qaeda has any meaningful electronic warfare capability, the United States had more or less allowed its capacity to fight in that arena atrophy. “While we have retained capability, we have not really practiced it to the veracity that we used to, nor have we retained the capacity that might be required to bust these growing A2/AD [anti-access/area denial] problems we see around the world,” Breedlove said. “We have electronic warfare capability—we probably do not have the capacity we need now.”

    For example, America’s capabilities to suppress enemy air defenses are good, “but they’re not very dense,” Breedlove said. “We don’t have a lot of them,” he added.

    The basic problem, however, is that Moscow has watched American warfighting capabilities since the first Persian Gulf War and has learned lessons from those wars. Russia—which retains a very robust defense industry—has invested heavily in countering American advantages. “Russia knows how we roll,” Breedlove said. “They have invested a lot in electronic warfare because they know we are a connected and precise force and they need to disconnect us to make us imprecise.”

    While electronic warfare is one area where American capacity in Europe has atrophied, Breedlove said that the U.S. military in Europe needs more permanently stationed forces. One area that he highlighted was the North Atlantic where the Russian Navy massively increased its activity to nearly Cold War levels.

    The U.S. Navy simply does not have enough submarines to counter Moscow’s resurgent undersea fleet. The problem will only get worse as the older Los Angeles-class attack submarines are retired without enough Virginia-class boats to replace them. “I do not get what I’ve asked for,” Breedlove said. “In that very contested, very highly sophisticated part of the world, we play zone defense, we can’t play man-to-man.”

    Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for the National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter: @davemajumdar.

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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  Elbows on Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:24 pm

    I was expecting an interesting discussion on the pros/cons of both forces...guess it's not the right thread.
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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:04 am

    They are two tools that could not be compared fairly as the wielder of each tool has a different purpose for its tool.

    the US military is a sledgehammer that separates a people from a countries resources by smashing up the infrastructure. The victory leads to a puppet regime that then spends the countries wealth restoring the infrastructure by buying the services of the country that destroyed the infrastructure in the first place.

    The Russian military on the contrary is used to defend Russian territory and interests, and the current use of a small contingent to support an ally in Syria is an abboration... though it does highlight the fact that despite western criticisms of how poor Russian aircraft are in terms of value for money they clearly are able to do a better job than the west is able to do.

    Higher sortie rates with much fewer aircraft, more cost effective munitions able to hit targets enable a much smaller force than the west is using to hit rather more targets on the battlefield and to have a decisive influence on the progress on the battlefield.


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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  max steel on Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:37 am

    Elbows add your contribution then to make it interesting.


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    US general says we could be screwed in a war against China or Russia

    Post  nemrod on Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:47 am

    In fact Gen Mark Milley abstained to talk about the US Air Force's state in order to sweeten the reality of the catastrophe. US could not even sustain a war against North Korea, or Iran. No use to talk about Russia or China.


    http://nypost.com/2016/03/16/general-says-army-at-high-risk-in-war-against-china-or-russia/

    US general says we could be screwed in a war against China or Russia

    US Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley Photo: Getty Images

    WASHINGTON — The Army’s top general says military forces on the ground face a high level of risk if the United States gets into a large-scale conflict against a power such as Russia or China.

    Testifying Wednesday on Capitol Hill, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Milley says years of combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, constrained budgets and troop cuts have had a cumulative effect on the service.

    Milley says the Army is ready to fight the Islamic State group and other terrorist organizations.

    But what Milley describes as a “great power war” against one or two of four countries – China, Russia, Iran and North Korea – would pose greater challenges.

    Milley says the Army’s readiness is not at a level that is appropriate for what the American people expect to defend them.

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    The Russian Air Force Was Always Behind the West in One Key Area (Until Now)

    Post  nemrod on Thu May 12, 2016 11:44 pm



    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-russian-air-force-was-always-behind-the-west-one-key-16164


    The Russian Air Force Was Always Behind the West in One Key Area (Until Now)

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    The Kremlin’s air war over Syria demonstrated that Russia’s once dilapidated military has recovered from its low-point in 1990s in the aftermath of the Soviet collapse. But while the Russian Air Force showed off new precision-guided weapons and new high-performance aircraft like the Sukhoi Su-30SM Flanker-H, Su-34 Fullback and the Su-35S Flanker-E, it was evident that Moscow still lacked certain capabilities.

    One such gap was the lack of a targeting pod like Northrop Grumman’s LITENING G4 or the Lockheed Martin Sniper. However, Russia seems to be rapidly closing that gap with the development of its own indigenous targeting pod under the auspices of state-owned Rostec and Precision Instrumentation Systems.

    The Russian Air Force will start operational testing of a new indigenous targeting pod before the end of the year. “We have held joint meetings with the developers and manufacturers of the pod and have agreed on deadlines,” a Russian defense official told the Russian-language daily Izvestia. “In accordance with the approved plans, we will test the first product before the end of this year.”

    The new targeting pod—which will be fitted onto advanced Russian warplanes such as the Su-30SM, Su-35S, Su-34 and MiG-35—incorporated the typical features found on equivalent Western designs. It includes GLONASS satellite positioning, electro-optical/infrared imaging and laser designation capabilities. It also seems to have video downlink capabilities just like U.S. targeting pods. However, it remains to be seen if the new Russian pods offer the performance of their Western counterparts.

    Russia seems to have accelerated the development of the new pod after combat experience in Syria demonstrated that such capabilities are mandatory over the modern battlefield. Indeed, Russian forces have been accused of being less than precise with their airstrikes in Syria—which could in part be ascribed to Moscow’s lack of targeting pods.

    Until recently, Russia was not able to produce an indigenous targeting pod. Moscow had attempted to procure the Thales Damocles pod—and even hoped to license-build the French-developed sensor for a time—during the early 2000, but the effort fell flat. Meanwhile, Russia’s domestic industry—despite its best efforts—failed to develop an indigenous equivalent until now.

    According to Izvestia, Russian industry made a breakthrough in manufacturing piezoelectric ceramic film strips less than 100 micron in width. That in turn led to a breakthrough in building targeting pods. While initially manufacturers like Zelenograd SRI ELPA had trouble producing the filmstrips consistently, eventually they resolved those problems.

    That led to Precision Instrumentation Systems completing the first prototype targeting pods by the end of 2015. Production of the new pods is set to start later this summer, according to Izvestia. With the addition of the targeting pods, the Russian Air Force will more or less have matched all of the capabilities resident onboard U.S. fourth-generation fighter like the F-15, F-16 or F/A-18.

    Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for the National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter: @davemajumdar.

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    USA Buys Su-27 Jets to find Out why F-15 Is so bad.

    Post  moskit on Thu May 19, 2016 7:09 am

    Glory to Russian Armed Forces and to the great nation, the Russian Federation !!!

    Dear moderators, I am new to this forum and I find it is great in providing excellent indepth answers connected with Russian armed forces.
    I have recently read a piece published in Pravda connected with the sale of the crown jewel of Russian fighter aircraft, two SU 27to US. I would like to know how the Russians would be able to counter such a move. Can the Russians prevent the striping down of its crown jewel fighter air crafts by US? Does russia hold any surprises to nutralise this move? Please porvide me answers convincing. thank you.

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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  Guest on Thu May 19, 2016 8:01 am

    moskit wrote:Glory to Russian Armed Forces and to the great nation,  the Russian Federation !!!

    Dear moderators, I am new to this forum and I find it is great in providing excellent indepth answers connected with Russian armed forces.
    I have recently read a piece published in Pravda connected with the sale of the crown jewel of Russian fighter aircraft, two SU 27to US. I would like to know how the Russians would be able to counter such a move. Can the Russians prevent the striping down of its crown jewel fighter air crafts by US? Does russia hold any surprises to nutralise this move? Please porvide me answers convincing. thank you.

    Welcome aboard. You should go post an introductory post in the welcome section.

    What you are saying isn't news. The USAF acquired Su-27s as recently as 2003 as they were seen flying over Groom Lake back then. The USAF has done similar evaluations of older Soviet fighters that they captured in Vietnam or Korea. The Soviet Union also reportedly took captured US aircraft from Vietnam to test and evaluate as well. It wouldn't surprise me if countries like Egypt allowed Russia to take a look at their F-16s and other Western equipment either. There is nothing that Russia could do to prevent this as it was Ukraine that let the US evaluate a few of their fighters. Evaluation of foreign equipment and technology has been around for ages. You may want to take a look at how Rome built their navy for example.

    The F-15 isn't a bad aircraft by any measure either.
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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 19, 2016 10:50 am

    The US would learn very little from any recently purchased Su-27... it would likely be from the Ukraine or some other country with a chip on its shoulder... the point is that they wont get the opportunity to buy an in service upgraded Russian Flanker so anything they might learn would be fairly minimal.

    It is also a forum rule that your first post is an introduction in the rules and introductions section.

    Too late now but please take the time to post a thread about yourself and also take the opportunity to look at other peoples intros and have a quick read through the rules...

    And welcome... Smile


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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu May 19, 2016 11:04 am

    Also at this point it would be easier to straw purchase an "MK" Su30 than try and sneak tired airframes of dubious value. Off course the Titanium might come handy...as scrap.
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    6 Facts Highlight Why We Need to Rebuild Our Military

    Post  nemrod on Sat May 21, 2016 12:02 pm

    Precisions friends, the title is "6 Facts Highlight Why We Need to Rebuild Our Military", Iam not US, obviously, I don't support US, this is the title of the article, and not mine. As you guess, I support all countries in the world that are fighting US army. I support North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, etc... This article means US are more and more fearing of Russia and China's armies.

    http://dailysignal.com/2016/05/17/6-facts-highlight-why-we-need-to-rebuild-our-military/



    6 Facts Highlight Why We Need to Rebuild Our Military

    The U.S. military seems to be breaking. Senior military leaders have made dire statements before Congress, and story after story is revealing the potentially deadly challenges facing our men and women in uniform.

    As Congress considers the annual defense authorization bill, here are six clear, real-world examples of why Congress needs to use the defense bill to start rebuilding the U.S. military.

    1. The Marine Corps is pulling parts off of museum planes to keep their F-18s flying. Even with that drastic action, only about 30 percent of their F-18s are ready to fly. Not only that, but instead of getting 25 or 30 hours a month in the cockpit, Marine Corps pilots are getting as little as four hours per month of flying time.

    2. Only one-third of Army brigades are ready for combat. The Army has now fallen to the smallest level since before World War II, while the top Army general says that the Army would face “high military risk” if it were to fight a serious war.

    3. The Air Force is cannibalizing parts from some F-16’s to keep other F-16’s flying and is pulling parts off museum planes to keep their B-1 bombers flying. And half of Air Force squadrons are not prepared for serious combat.

    4. The Navy keeps extending deployments of its ships, but still doesn’t have enough to meet demand. While the Navy needs about 350 ships, today it only has 273.

    5. Serious crashes of Marine Corps planes and helicopters are nearly double the 10-year average.

    6. The Air Force’s B-52 bombers are an average of 53 years old. Most Americans would not want to drive across the country in a 53-year-old car (see example below), let alone go to combat in a 53-year-old airplane.

    1963 Oldsmobile (Photo: David Chapman imageBROKER/Newscom)
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    These six facts show the consequences of cutting the national defense budget by 25 percent over the last five years.

    At the same time, threats are growing. Russia has invaded Ukraine and threatens more. China is building illegal islands. Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapon and North Korea already has one. And we also face the real threat of terrorism and the growing threat of cyberattacks.

    The bottom line is that Congress needs to start rebuilding the U.S. military. We can’t let this go much further.


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    The U.S. Military's Greatest Fear: Russia and China are Catching Up Fast

    Post  nemrod on Sat May 21, 2016 12:04 pm


    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-us-militarys-greatest-fear-russia-china-are-catching-16242



    The U.S. Military's Greatest Fear: Russia and China are Catching Up Fast

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    The United States has fallen behind potential adversaries in certain key technological areas such as integrated battle networks according to senior U.S. Navy officials. Indeed, as one U.S. Navy admiral told an audience at the Navy League’s Sea, Air and Space symposium that the term “near-peer” is a misnomer—in some cases the Russian and Chinese have the advantage over American forces.

    “Our near-peer competitors are no longer near peers,” said Rear Adm. Mike Darrah, Naval Air Systems Command’s program executive officer for unmanned systems and strike weapons. “In some cases, they have gone beyond us.”

    While Darrah was reluctant to go into details, he said that one specific area where the United States is falling behind is in networking. But he reiterated that the term “near-peer” is condescending and derogatory—which also has the effect of rendering American policy-makers complacent when dealing with a very real danger. It was a message that others Navy leaders like NAVAIR Strike Weapons program manager Capt. Jamie Engdahl also reiterated—the United States is not fielding advanced weapons fast enough to keep up with other nations technical advances.

    Darrah—due to security concerns—flatly refused to answer what the United States could do to counter the enemy’s advantage. But he did talk about specific areas where the United States needs to improve on—one such area is combat identification, especially in an environment where enemy electronic attacks will be continually disrupting American communications networks. “We’re not doing a good enough job at combat ID,” Darrah said.

    Position, navigation and timing in an environment where there is no access to GPS—or where the enemy is actively attacking satellite navigation—is another area the Pentagon must work on. American forces are far too reliant on GPS, and a smart adversary like the Russians or the Chinese are certain to attack those vital sinews that hold together U.S military operations.

    Addressing those issues is critical as the Navy moves toward the so-called “tactical cloud”—where every sensor and shooter shares data seamlessly. However, such networks are vulnerable to electronic and cyber attacks and—as such—Darrah said much more needs to be done to ensure the fidelity of the information in the cloud. Networking is the future of naval warfare, Darrah reiterated, noting that as times goes on individual platform will matter less than the sum total of the tactical cloud.

    Dave Majumdar is the defense editor of The National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter at @DaveMajumdar.
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    US Military Might Lose the Wars of the Future

    Post  nemrod on Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:25 pm

    The fear of the T-90

    and the powerful T-15


    http://lexingtoninstitute.org/america-needs-lethal-well-survivable-army/


    June 20, 2016Daniel Gouré, Ph.D

    America Needs A More Lethal As Well As Survivable Army
    The U.S. Army once was superior to every potential adversary in terms of combat power, what it called overmatch. This is no longer entirely true. In the future battlefields, the Army will face enemies that will be extremely lethal, more numerous, fighting on home turf and able to exploit the advantage of getting in the first blow. Unless the Army takes a number of steps in the near-term, it is likely to find itself not merely outmatched, but at risk of defeat.

    In its most recent conflicts the Army benefitted from a number of advantages that are unlikely to be available in the future, certainly in other regions of the world. It had a secure logistical base largely free from interdiction. It could count on total air dominance. It didn’t have to face any long-range fires. While adversaries in Iraq and Afghanistan made excellent use of improvised explosive devices (IEDs), the only anti-armor threats came from rocket-propelled grenades. Finally, the Army possessed the luxury of unimpeded communications.

    Few, if any, of these advantages are likely to hold true in future conflicts, certainly none involving regional powers or so-called near peer adversaries. In Europe, Asia and even portions of the Middle East, the U.S. military will have to fight for air superiority. Even where adversaries have not deployed integrated air defenses, Army maneuver forces, bases and lines of communications are likely to be subject to massed rocket and missile attacks. Brigade combat teams will face an array of lethal threats ranging from sophisticated IEDs to advanced, tandem-warhead anti-tank guided missiles, precision guided artillery projectiles, long-range guns, armed drones and air-delivered weapons.

    The Russian Army, for example, has demonstrated an impressive array of new capabilities in its operations in the Ukraine and Syria including the coordinated use of drones with massed artillery and rocket batteries, advanced area munitions and thermobaric warheads, extremely lethal and sophisticated anti-tank guided missiles and the use of electronic warfare to black out military communications. It has shown an impressive capability to rapidly mobilize and deploy significant combined arms forces. In Eastern Europe, the Russian Army also will be operating close to its supply centers and under the protection of an integrated air defense network.

    The Army’s Operating Concept during the latter part of the Cold War was “fight outnumbered and win.” This made sense when the principal adversary was the Warsaw Pact. It was simple, clear and focused on ways, means and ends. The new bumper sticker is “win in a complex world.” It is essentially meaningless. In view of the Army’s declining end strength, aging equipment and platforms, and the rise of new threats, it is likely that the Army again will have to fight and to do so outnumbered.

    The character of the conflict and adversary in Southwest Asia propelled the Army to concentrate on ways of enhancing the survivability of its deployed forces. Out of this effort came the highly mobile Stryker with slat armor and, more recently, a double-V hull to defeat IEDs. There were tens of thousands of heavily armored mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles and uparmored Humvees. Electronic warfare focused entirely on ways of detecting and jamming remotely-controlled IEDs. The Army even adapted the Navy’s Phalanx close-in defense system to protect critical facilities against rocket attacks. Soldiers were provided with improved body armor.

    The drive to enhance force protection and platform survivability is ongoing. The Army is seriously considering deploying active protection systems (APS) on at least a portion of its fleets of combat vehicles. APS systems such as the Israeli Trophy have proven highly effective against rocket-propelled grenades and anti-tank missiles. The Army is investing in a multi-mission launcher that can support the AMRAAM anti-aircraft missile as well as a future miniature hit-to-kill interceptor to counter rockets, artillery and mortars. The decades-old, open-topped M-113s are being replaced by a much more survivable Armored Multi-Purpose Vehicle based on the Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicle. Army Aviation is deploying countermeasures to defeat infrared surface-to-air missiles and a navigation system for degraded vision environments.

    But in order to fight outnumbered and win, the Army also must invest in near-term lethality enhancements to match its efforts in force protection and platform survivability. The Army recently undertook a short-term program in response to an urgent operational need from U.S. Army Europe to upgun some 80 Stryker vehicles with a new and more capable 30mm cannon. What about the rest of the fleet? The possibility of mounting an anti-tank missile such as the Javelin on the Stryker also has been suggested. The Army badly needs new precision munitions, the Multiple Launch Rocket System and mortar systems to defeat both enemy armor and also their rocket launchers and massed artillery. Plans to enhance the lethality of both the Bradley and the Abrams tank with sensor and targeting upgrades and, for the latter, a new multipurpose cannon round, need to be funded in the near-term. Directed energy weapons for tactical applications against hostile air threats, rockets and artillery are within reach. Then there is the need to match investments in advanced networking such as the WIN-T system with a new generation of electronic warfare capabilities that will render adversaries deaf, dumb and blind.

    In counterinsurgency campaigns the goal, simply put, is to outlast the other side. Hence, the emphasis in Army modernization on survivability. In a serious conventional conflict with a near-peer, regional hegemon or capable non-state actor, this will not be enough. To fight and win outnumbered requires being more lethal than the adversary too.
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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  max steel on Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:10 pm

    2025 ~ 2030 Future European Navies:

    A. Aircraft Carrier:


    1. UK:CVF*2, 70,000 ton, 40~50 aircrafts (F-35B*48), Self-defense: Phalanx 20 mm CIWS*3.

    2. French Navy: R91*1, nuclear power, 42,000 ton, 30 to 40 aircrafts(Rafale M*44), Self-defense: Arabel PESA radar + A43 VLS*32(ASTER-15) + SADRAL CIWS x 2 + 20 mm gun*8.

    3. Italian Navy:STOVL Carriers, 20 aircrafte(F-35B*15~30).
    * Cavour carrier: 27,000 ton, EMPAR PESA radar + A43 VLS*32(ASTER-15) + 76mm CIWS*2 + 25mm gun*3.
    * Trieste LHA: 33,000 ton, L-Band AESA radar and 4FF X-Band AESA radar + A50 VLS*32(ASTER-15, ASTER-30, or CAMM-ER) + 76mm CIWS*3 + 25mm gun*3.

    4. German Navy: none.


    B. Destroyer and Frigates:


    1. UK:19 ships
    * Type 45 destroyer*6:8,000 ton, SAMPSON AESA radar + A50 VLS*48(Aster-15 and Aster-30) + space for additional 16 to 24 VLS.
    * Type 26 frigate*8:8,000 ton, Type 997 AESA radar + CAMM VLS*48 + MK-41 VLS*24( Tomahawk, LRASM, ASROC etc.).
    * Type 31 frigate*5:Smaller, lighter, and cheaper than Type 26 frigate.

    2. French Navy:15 ships。
    * Forbin Class AAW*2:7,000 ton, EMPAR PESA radar + A50 VLS*48(Aster-15 and Aster-30) + space for additional 16 VLS.
    * FREDA AAW*2:6,000 ton, Herakles Plus PESA radar + A50 VLS*32(Aster-15 and Aster-30).
    * FREMM-Fr frigate*6:6,000 ton, Herakles PESA radar + A43 VLS*16(Aster-15) + A70 VLS*16(SCALP-NAVAL CM).
    * FTI frigate*5:4,000 ton; Smaller, lighter, and cheaper than FREMM frigate.

    3. Italian Navy:22 to 28 ships.
    * Doria Class AAW*2:7,000 ton, EMPAR PESA radar + A50 VLS*48(Aster-15 and Aster-30) + space for additional 16 VLS.
    * FREMM-IT GP PLUS frigate*2:7,000 ton, New 4FF AESA radar + A50 VLS*16(Aster-15, Aster-30, or CAMM-ER) + A70 VLS*16(SCALP-NAVAL).
    * FREMM-IT GP and ASW frigate*8:6,700 ton,Kronos AESA radar + A50 VLS *16(Aster-15 or Aster-30) + space for additional A70 VLS*16(SCALP-NAVAL).
    * PPA frigate*10 to 16 with three variants:4,600 ton(Light variant) to 6,200 ton(Full variant), 4FF AESA radar(Light variant:X band;Light-PLUS variant:C band;Full variant:X + C band), A50 VLS*16(Aster-15, Aster-30, or CAMM-ER;Light PLUS variant and Full variant)+ space for additional A70 VLS*16(SCALP-NAVAL).

    4. Germany Navy :11 ships.
    * F124 AAW*3:5,800 ton, APAR AESA radar + MK-41 VLS*32(SM-2 x 24 + ESSM x 32).
    * F125 frigate*4:7,200 ton, TRS-4D GaN AESA radar + 21 cells SEARAM CIWS*2.
    * MKS180*4:8,000 ton, Two AESA radar towers + space for MK-41 VLS*48 + 21 cells SEARAM CIWS*2.


    C. Submarine:

    1. UK:11 ships.
    * SSBN*4(Vanguard class SSBN --> Successor class SSBN), 16,000 ton.
    * Astute class SSN*7, 8,000 ton.

    2. French Navy:10 ships.
    * Le triomphant class SSBN*4, 14,000 ton.
    * Barracuda class SSN*6, 5,300 ton.

    3. Italian Navy:6 to 8 ships.
    * U212A SSK*4, 1,830 ton.
    * Next generation SSK*2 to 4.

    4. Germany Navy:6 ships.
    * U212A SSK Batch I*4, 1,830 ton.
    * U212A SSK Batch II*2, 1,860 ton.

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    500 Russian jet's V 1,000 working U.S jet's.

    Post  obliqueweapons on Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:40 am

    500 Russian jets V 1,000 U.S working jets.

    10min 10 seconds video link.

    1, we work in packs of 50 and have clip on tanks that spray chemicals out in a dog fight, why dropping heat seeking missile that turn on in 3 or so seconds.....Behind enemy jets.  .

    2. We attack low and spray the sky with chemicals / particles and ash that charges the sky....More like a basic chemicals that do the same.

    3. We make mass S-400 missiles that have 40 small lock-on inferred missiles in them also.

    4. we spray and ionise air molecules, that flame up enemy jets engines. That or spray a chemical that does the same.

    5. The chemicals / electrons and ash will heat the jets up instantly, and Inferred missiles will lock-on big time.

    6. Can ever drop them off in artillery shells, that kick start its speed instantly to 2,000 - 6,000km/h. They lock on and turn back to the fighter instantly.

    Volcanic ash, as seen on the flight going across Indonesia years ago, seen it's window flickering with light "distracting 1,000s of jet pilots" why jet motors flame up at the back. This means we can flame up American F-22 jet motors and frames, giving away massive heat signatures allowing all small inferred missiles to lock on.....Along with new missiles made to attack metal frames charged.

    F-22 will be downed and will give off massive heat now.

    When them come in masses, the sky will be flooded with chemicals seeing masses of heat seeking missiles locking onto 1,000s of jets and bombers. Russia can make missiles fly at 5,000km/h. F-22 fly at 1,700/h.

    There would be many chemicals that can do this.

    1. We make 1,000 missiles that hold 30 - 100 small infrared inside them. The bombers and jet fighters drop the ash / chemical lighting up their jet engines why blinding them. Missile are already getting there, spiting out 100ds of small inferred missiles "each" taking out 100,000 jet fighters from 1,000 missiles.

    We can work in wolf packs and drop it on small numbers, setting up traps. They will not fly in 2,000 numbers, but hundreds or 1,000s tops. If they do, they are fucked.

    If you can't get volcanic ash "that you can", make something the same "charged clouds" that do the same thing. Like a thick smoke with moisture in it charged.

    We can now use 400 fighter jets and 100 new space jet bombers to dive down and drop the shit all over the sky around them. We dive as the lock on missiles go up seconds later.

    We will see the enemy in shock, not able to see, and their jet motors flaming at the back big time, seeing 1,000s of lock on heat missile hitting there targets.

    500 craft v packs of 100drs. If they use 20,000, we will destroy them all.

    We can take on America to. Add 30,000 more craft who cares.

    Put charges in the ash / smoke and dump it all around them. Them charges will do the above....Heat the jet's up then fire them missiles. Bonus if the F-22 jets stat flaming like that lol....Fuck them 2.

    You can 100% make clouds of shit like that, so start working on it.

    We divide them up, and take them out.

    This is to prevent nuclear war.

    Put the link together because I am new it takes 7 days before you can post links...dumb.

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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:56 am

    Russian jets only have to defend Russian borders and Russian airspace.

    NATO jets have to protect all NATO countries... including ones miles away from Russian borders.

    Russian fighters also operate within an IADS, that includes many thousands of missiles and radars and bits and pieces... a comprehensive defence that all of NATO could not take down in years let alone weeks or days.

    Until it was taken down it could shoot down NATO aircraft well outside its borders on a whim... the S-500 will hit targets 600km away and S-400 can hit targets at 400km distant, so NATO aircraft operating over NATO airfields can be shot down without warning...


    BTW old IR guided missiles used to home in on the hottest thing it could see... often resulted in AAMs trying to hit the sun or flares.

    Modern IR guided missiles can home in on the front of an aircraft and don't require hot targets to home in on.


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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  franco on Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:35 am

    For a lack of a better place to put this, Global Firepower 2017. Very abstract comparison and rankings but on the other hand this has more depth then previous version. Believe they started in 2006?

    https://www.globalfirepower.com/index.asp


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    Re: US-NATO Armed Forces vs Russian Armed Forces

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:18 pm

    Interesting self analysis on how the US Army, as evidenced by the 173rd Airborne in Italy, is unprepared for a fight anytime soon with anyone other than a rag tag army.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/02/army-study-173rd-airborne-brigade-europe-russia-242273

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