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    PapaDragon

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:04 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Upgrading older vessels to be using newer missiles and radar as well as SAM systems are ideal. If they can fit some of the older ships with UKSK and modernization of the radar, it will breath a lot of new life into the vessels.

    First Udaloi destroyer is already getting one
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Upgrading older vessels to be using newer missiles and radar as well as SAM systems are ideal. If they can fit some of the older ships with UKSK and modernization of the radar, it will breath a lot of new life into the vessels.

    First Udaloi destroyer is already getting one

    Seriously?, the Udaloys are getting UKSK refits, holy crap, what's next, the Sovremenny-class??
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:37 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Upgrading older vessels to be using newer missiles and radar as well as SAM systems are ideal. If they can fit some of the older ships with UKSK and modernization of the radar, it will breath a lot of new life into the vessels.

    First Udaloi destroyer is already getting one

    Seriously?, the Udaloys are getting UKSK refits, holy crap, what's next, the Sovremenny-class??

    It's hardly big news, we talked about it here months ago, first one is in the dock
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:19 am

    Adm. Makarov acceptance certificate has been signed.

    http://mil.today/2017/Weapons87/

    Apparently issues with Shtil-1 were responsible for delay.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:24 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Adm. Makarov acceptance certificate has been signed.

    http://mil.today/2017/Weapons87/

    Apparently issues with Shtil-1 were responsible for delay.

    Odd, there are already 2 active Grigoroviches why would there be still be problems with the Shtil.

    Weren't the engines the delay factor?
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:11 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Adm. Makarov acceptance certificate has been signed.

    http://mil.today/2017/Weapons87/

    Apparently issues with Shtil-1 were responsible for delay.

    Odd, there are already 2 active Grigoroviches why would there be still be problems with the Shtil.

    Weren't the engines the delay factor?

    Nah, engines are good but this one got upgraded Shtil installed hence extra testing
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:22 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Adm. Makarov acceptance certificate has been signed.

    http://mil.today/2017/Weapons87/

    Apparently issues with Shtil-1 were responsible for delay.

    Odd, there are already 2 active Grigoroviches why would there be still be problems with the Shtil.

    Weren't the engines the delay factor?

    Nah, engines are good but this one got upgraded Shtil installed hence extra testing

    Buk-3 standard?

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  miroslav on Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:07 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Adm. Makarov acceptance certificate has been signed.

    http://mil.today/2017/Weapons87/

    Apparently issues with Shtil-1 were responsible for delay.

    Odd, there are already 2 active Grigoroviches why would there be still be problems with the Shtil.

    Weren't the engines the delay factor?

    Nah, engines are good but this one got upgraded Shtil installed hence extra testing

    Buk-3 standard?

    As was discuss previously, they tested the actively guided missiles, apparently this will give the missiles the ability to take full advantage of their range, reportedly 70km. Again, reportedly, the current range of 50 km is a restriction or the ships target illumination radars.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  eehnie on Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:12 pm

    The first unit of the Project 23560 Lider Cruiser/Destroyer seems to be under constrution.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Good news for Russia.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Peŕrier on Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:26 pm

    miroslav wrote:

    As was discuss previously, they tested the actively guided missiles, apparently this will give the missiles the ability to take full advantage of their range, reportedly 70km. Again, reportedly, the current range of 50 km is a restriction or the ships target illumination radars.

    Not so much reportedly.

    Radar Horizon for a mast mounted radar falls in the 30-50 km bracket, depending on mast's height above sea, clutter rejection performances of the radar itself and type of the intended target.

    No semiactive guidance missile could effectively engage a sea skimming target beyond the radar horizon, and remotely controlled missiles are even worse on terms of practical engagement range.

    Terminal active guidance is the only way to extend engagement radius beyond the ship's radar horizon, unless using an AEW able to claim to itself authority over missile's guidance, but the latter is not a real option because AEWs are always limited in numbers, are not always on the right spot, and sometimes meteorological conditions force them to be grounded.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:57 pm

    [quote="Peŕrier"]
    miroslav wrote:

    Terminal active guidance is the only way to extend engagement radius beyond the ship's radar horizon,

    You still need a radar to detect the target. Active radar missile are not "fire and forget" att all. They need to be send near the target so you need to follow the target until the end and it is affected by the radar horizon. They have smaller radar that is jammable much easier than semi active radars.

    Btw the radars of the buk family are not long range at all. It is not more than 70 km for detection so tracking should be around 80% of the detection range that s why missiles are 40km in range. It is a medium range sam not a s400. New buk m3 improves all these parameters thats why its missiles are longer range.


    What's good with them however is that you can engage more targets at the same time especially if the targets are missiles. And for shtill it is really important because they are there to defend the ship from missiles and won t be able to engage fighters that will probably stay out of its range. Redut and 9m96 missiles were made to use this advantage as will be s 350 fir defenxe against cruise missile.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Peŕrier on Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:14 pm

    No, they are not real "fire and forget", because of the radar horizon.

    Still they open up several options:

    They could engage a sea skimming target beyond radar horizon if it was picked up by another ship's radar long enough to estimate course and speed.

    They could engage a terminal phase sea skimming target beyond the radar horizon, estimating course and speed on the tracking performed before the target dived to a sea skimming flight.

    They could engage an evading target leaving the detection area of the ship's radar, particularly interesting because enabling engagements against aerial launching platforms that after launch bank sharply to evade enemy's reaction, or against aerial launching platforms that perform just a short pop up to track their target and launch a missile, to rapidly dive again under radar horizon.

    While operating just within radar horizon, they relieve massively ship's guidance radars, leaving them free to track any single target for only a short time every N tents of seconds
    and multiplying both maximum number of target actively tracked and number of missiles launched against those targets, each active guidance missile requiring only a short series of midrange updates until its own radar track the target and perform the final phase of the engagement.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:37 am

    eehnie wrote:The first unit of the Project 23560 Lider Cruiser/Destroyer seems to be under constrution.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Good news for Russia.

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:39 am

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:The first unit of the Project 23560 Lider Cruiser/Destroyer seems to be under constrution.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Good news for Russia.

    ...

    Good news for Russia = bad news for Militarov, Militarov getting pale, we know.

    The first unit comming as announced by the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:20 am

    eehnie wrote:The first unit of the Project 23560 Lider Cruiser/Destroyer seems to be under constrution.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Good news for Russia.

    When I said the other day that Santa Claus and his reindeer and elfs will build Russian warships in secret shipyard in the Arctic next to Santa's house I wasn't being serious...
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:59 am

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:The first unit of the Project 23560 Lider Cruiser/Destroyer seems to be under constrution.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Good news for Russia.

    pale

    Good news for Russia = bad news for Militarov, we know.

    The first unit comming as announced by the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015.

    This is your proof xD

    There is no ship like this under construction.

    you really are in ways the gift that keeps giving.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  kvs on Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:14 am

    So many non-Russian "military naval industry of Russia insiders" engaged in a circle jerk on this board.

    Bugger off to some NATO board and stroke your dicks there, prats. You know f*ck all and you smell of the usual anti-Russian stench.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:32 am

    kvs wrote:So many non-Russian "military naval industry of Russia insiders" engaged in a circle jerk on this board.

    Bugger off to some NATO board and stroke your dicks there, prats.   You know f*ck all and you smell of the usual anti-Russian stench.

    right because we should take the word from some internet page that they laid down a vessel that neither the Russian's government nor any shipyard claimed or said they did.

    dude, just no that is stupid to say.

    The Russian MoD said the biggest surface ship they are laying down until like 2025 is a super-gork. But because I take official words over some web page that makes us anti-russian stench.

    This was laughable it really was, I love how some people on here get butt hurt the second someone says "yeah that ain't true" about the Russians.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:37 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:The first unit of the Project 23560 Lider Cruiser/Destroyer seems to be under constrution.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Good news for Russia.

    ...

    Good news for Russia = Bad news for Papadragon, Papadragon getting pale, we know.

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:The first unit of the Project 23560 Lider Cruiser/Destroyer seems to be under constrution.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Good news for Russia.

    ...

    Good news for Russia = bad news for Militarov, Militarov getting pale, we know.

    The first unit comming as announced by the Russian Maritime Doctrine of 2015.

    ...

    Good news for Russia = Bad news for Seig Soloyvov, Seig Soloyvov getting pale, we know.

    Proof, there is a high quality database saying it.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:55 am

    Meaningless proof unless it comes from the government it's self it's all a load of BS and you are also changing peoples replies in your quotes.

    Can we report him for this? if so consider this a formal report for what he is doing which is editing peoples posts.


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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:01 am

    however to shut this clown up.

    https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2017/11/27/russias-military-modernization-plans-2018-2027/

    "The only new class of surface ships expected to be built in the next eight years are the so-called Super Gorshkov-class, an 8,000-ton frigate that is increasingly seen as a cheaper and more practical alternative to the 14,000-ton Lider-class destroyers"

    The russian themselves have said this, now shut up buddy you have been proven wrong.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:37 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:however to shut this clown up.

    https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2017/11/27/russias-military-modernization-plans-2018-2027/

    "The only new class of surface ships expected to be built in the next eight years are the so-called Super Gorshkov-class, an 8,000-ton frigate that is increasingly seen as a cheaper and more practical alternative to the 14,000-ton Lider-class destroyers"

    The russian themselves have said this, now shut up buddy you have been proven wrong.

    Lol, who is the clown pretending to introduce US blogs as the Oracle of the Truth about Russia?

    https://russiamil.wordpress.com/about/

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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  Isos on Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:36 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:The first unit of the Project 23560 Lider Cruiser/Destroyer seems to be under constrution.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Good news for Russia.

    When I said the other day that Santa Claus and his reindeer and elfs will build Russian warships in secret shipyard in the Arctic next to Santa's house I wasn't being serious...

    How the fuck will he put such ship in putin's chimney hahahaha
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:58 pm

    Isos wrote:

    How the fuck will he put such ship in putin's chimney hahahaha

    They will biuld it in an empty drydock of the facility they are useing to breed whale sized giant cyborg hypnotic squids that are imune to dismemberment.

    But serously maby the media wants to avoid freaking anyone out espetialy considering how western retards react to the mention of nuclear anything.
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    Re: Russian Navy: Status & News #3

    Post  eehnie on Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:48 pm

    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    eehnie wrote:The first unit of the Project 23560 Lider Cruiser/Destroyer seems to be under constrution.

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Good news for Russia.

    When I said the other day that Santa Claus and his reindeer and elfs will build Russian warships in secret shipyard in the Arctic next to Santa's house I wasn't being serious...

    How the fuck will he put such ship in putin's chimney hahahaha

    It was Mistral Klaus lol!

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